Subject: SMML VOL 942 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 02:50:36 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Scale model warships 2: Fwd: Model of USS KID severely damaged 3: HOW TO MAKE DECALS? 4: S-3 wing fold details and a late vote for SMMLieCon 2001 5: Re: J.C Butler 6: Re: IPMS/USA Dallas 7: Correction 8: Re: Paint Bottles 9: Re: Glencoe WWI SC 10: Re: IPMS/USA Nationals general information 11: Re: Bad Cheesy Poofs 12: IPMS (USA) Nats 13: Re: Paper Models 14: SUBMARINES 15: Re: Royal Oak 16: Re: What building 17: Queen Mary in 1/600 18: Me Too! Me Too! 19: old eyes-dropped parts 20: Re: Dallas IPMS/USA Nationals 21: Re: How to easily find small parts on the floor 22: German Boot Topping 23: Re: John Butler 24: USS San Jose, Matthews, Butternut 25: Smit Rotterdam 26: Re: IPMS-USA Dallas 27: Re: Smit Rotterdam 28: Re: whatcha buildn 29: Re: Watcha Building 30: Re: Trade offs between resin and plastic 31: Re: IPMS(USA) Nats 32: Hosho aircraft 33: New book from Poland 34: 1/350 yamato 35: Heller/Humbrol colors 36: HMS Hood Association 37: Re: IPMS DALLAS 38: Looking for model/plans for HMS Roberts -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts 1: SMMLcon 2005 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Books for sale 2: Nice Ship Detail Photos 4 Sale 3: Smit Rotterdam Colors -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Mike (mike@mikedunn.freeserve.co.uk) Subject: Re: Scale model warships Pavel wrote : >> I have a copy of this publication, a soft bound book of 115 pages. This is a mostly "How To" book. The book deals mainly with the Radio Control World. It gives suppliers ete, and covers a lot of "basics" with the text telling you how to choose a subject, getting plans, picking a scale ete. The 3 (three) plans are too small to be of any good. However if you are in to British Type 22 and 23 Frigates there are a lot of detailed photographs. I was a bit disappointed as I was hoping for more plans and a bit more on some small scale techniques. << Well, these are fair comments, but it should be recognised that the publishers of this book produce a monthly magazine aimed at the boat r/c field (as well as others eg aircraft). While the aim is to the r/c, there are a lot of areas that can be mapped to our scales - after all, a lot of the techniques are the same or similar. Ditto with Kurt's review - he seems to be under the impression that this is a book on static modelling in 1/350 or smaller - no it isn't...... It's a book aimed at the modellers who build working scale models between 1/72 and 1/350. I regret that Kurt doesn't like it, but I disagree with his slagging the book off because it wasn't what he thought it was about...... Personally, I find it a useful volume. I'd rate this as 8/10. With luck, Bob Pearson'll be publishing my review of it shortly in Internet Modeler. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Fwd: Model of USS KID severely damaged >> Fellow Members, I think commiserations are due to Bob Steinbrunn, as I understand that his model of the USS Kidd, which recently did so well in the latest Mariners Museum competition, has been severely damaged. Apparently the accident happened when the case was being removed for photographic purposes, and the top slipped from the hands of the person lifting it. As a model builder, and one who has to remove model case's for the same purpose on a regular basis, all I can say is: - there but for the grace of God....... Jon Godsell << -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Polvi, Henry" Subject: HOW TO MAKE DECALS? Can someone help? I tried to create a decal using the clear decal sheet (from WEM) and a colour inkjet printer but the ink just sat on top and never adhered to the decal sheet. It smeared even after leaving alone for 24 hrs. I then tried spraying a clear coat to bind it somehow and again let dry for 24 hrs, now it didn't smear to touch but once in the water everything just dissolved. Any ideas on how to do better? Henry Polvi -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Jens H. Brandal" Subject: S-3 wing fold details and a late vote for SMMLieCon 2001 For details about the wing folding mechanism of the S-3, Verlinden Productions has a book in the generally excellent Lock-On series. These books contain full colour photos throughout and the shots are clear. In my opinion they are far better than the Detail and Scale books. Having followed the SMMLieCon thread, I think we should recognise that there are not just people from the Americas on the list. My vote goes to Festival of the Seas in the UK. Jens -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: ALROSS2@aol.com Subject: Re: J.C Butler >> Is it possible to create accurate J.C Butler from Lindberg's 1/300 USS Holt DE706 (Rudderow Class)?<< No. Al Ross -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: KelDQ@aol.com Subject: Re: IPMS/USA Dallas Add me! I'll have a large naval diorama.... Kelly Quirk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: MIKE.LEONARD@customs.treas.gov Subject: Correction The URL for the Higgins Boat Project web site is: http://higginsboat.org Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Hill, Robert L." Subject: Re: Paint Bottles After spilling several bottles myself, I came up with an inexpensive way to not paint my model making area. All of us from time to time receive boxes or crates with styrofoam used as packing material. Take the thicker pieces and cut a hole in the foam about half the height of the paint bottle. Use a piece of foam about 4 inches square for stability. Insert paint bottle and not even the cat can tip it over. Hopes this helps someone. Bob Hill -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: PT191@aol.com Subject: Re: Glencoe WWI SC Yes - the kit is readily available. It's in 1:74th scale and it's undetailed as a whole, but a really good modeler could jazz it up and fix it ........ My brother had my model-builder build the kit as our grandfather's boat in WWI. It came out pretty good straight from the box. But, if it was left up to me? It'd have received new railings and white metal guns, the 3 incher and two .30 caliber Lewis machine guns. T. Garth Connelly -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: IPMS/USA Nationals general information You can get all your questions answered about the IPMS/USA nationals at the IPMS/USA web site: http://www.ipmsusa.org/ Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Bad Cheesy Poofs >> Rusty, I think your supply of cheezy poofs has gone bad....... you are hallucinating.. << Sorry guys. I was thinking of the Glencoe Rescue boat. And I know there is no comparison of the two. For some reason, that kit just registered in my mind as the sub chaser. Time for fresh cheesy Poofs. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: IPMS (USA) Nats >> What is the date of the US Nationals in Dallas?<< The IPMS Nationals will run from Wednesday July 19 through Saturday July 22 at the Hyatt Regency at Reunion Center in downtown Dallas. For additional details see the convention website at: http://ipmsnct.org/toc.html Ed Mansfield, TX (I'm not building anything. I'm trying to get ready to put on a convention) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Tim Perry" Subject: Re: Paper Models Anyone wanting to see just what can be done in paper, AND download a couple of excellent free sample kits should take a look at www.digitalnavy.com . It got me hooked on paper models! Best wishes, Tim Perry --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: SUBMARINES All of you submarine guys will like the current issue of POPULAR MECHANICS (July 2000). Has a nice little article about the evolution of the modern submarine which includes color cutaways of HOLLAND and a GATO class sub. There is a pull out poster which has on one side a full color, same scale, rendering of US Submarines from HOLLAND to SEAWOLF, and on the back side it shows all twenty Popular Mechanics covers, Jan 1902 to present, that featured submarines. Cheers, Bob Santos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Norman C. Samish" Subject: Re: Royal Oak Chris Langtree wrote: >> No I don't think she did so. She was in need of a refit and had been badly battered by North Sea gales when she was sunk. Incidently most of the Carley Floats had been smashed in the storm and the bits were piled up on the forecastle. There is a very good account of her sinking in Black Saturday by Alexander McKee (out of print). << There's an interesting account of this at http://uboat.net/ops/scapa_flow.htm The picture of the Royal Oak shows what appear to be torpedo blisters along the hull. Despite these the Royal Oak sank in 13 minutes apparently after being struck by as few as 3 torpedoes. Why did this ship, (and the battleship HMS BARHAM, also sunk by U boat) sink so quickly? In contrast, the Yamato and Musashi, I understand, took over a dozen torpedo hits, plus several bomb hits, to sink. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Polvi, Henry" Subject: Re: What building the 1/600 Airfix Iron Duke - w/WEM PE, first time with PE so progress slow with that part, screwed up folding the accomodation ladders already, lost an anchor in the carpet (grey also, should've thought of that pantyhose/vacuum cleaner trick...), boot topping flaked off in peeling off the pinstripe and had to be redone; also 250 sq. ft of hardwood floor family room took priority, plus rebuild kid's 16" bike rescued from spring cleanup two streets over... Henry Polvi Thornhill, ON -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: VONJERSEY@aol.com Subject: Queen Mary in 1/600 Is there such a thing as the AIRFIX QUEEN MARY in 600 scale??????????? i've made the Revell 570 scale and am working on the Mauritania from Airfix...i would love it if there were another Queen Mary out there. KJALAW@aol.com Hi, No, the 1/570 is commonly refered to as being 1/600 because it's so close to it ;-). Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Jim Johnson" Subject: Me Too! Me Too! I am coming to the IPMS nats in Dallas. I have my tickets and reservations. I guess I'd better tell IPMS I'm coming. I see that the only ship vendor that is listed is Classic Warships. I guess I'll see what Steve has that's new and spend the rest of my modeling money on aircraft. Carrier types to be sure but aircraft nonetheless.The web sight says that there are 4 tables left, if anybody else want's in. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Kurt Van Dahm Subject: old eyes-dropped parts I have just moved into my new shop space and being very tired of trying to find parts on the multi-colored dark brown/white/gray/black vinyl asbestos floor tile of my old shop (spare bedroom), my new shop has a very light gray solid color tile. Very good contrast for the brass photo-etch parts when dropped. To aid in finding the dropped part I have installed a light bulb on a pull string on/off to light up the area under the bech where the parts always tend to hide. The harsh light from the 60 watt bulb casts a great shadow helping to locate the dropped part on the light gray floor. Kurt Van Dahm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Re: Dallas IPMS/USA Nationals Hi, I'm planning to go to the Nationals in Dallas this year, but, due to other distractions this summer (i.e., moving), I don't yet know which days I'll be there, thought Friday and Saturday are the best bet. I'm looking forward to seeing some SMMLies when I'm there! Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "JEL" Subject: Re: How to easily find small parts on the floor I know that this is OT but this is a good trick for general use if not modelers with small parts and bad eyes. If you drop a small part on the floor, first carefully move away from the area where the part is, next turn off the lights (I know you think I am certainly kidding now - but I am not), next get a flashlight and shine it with the beam parallel to the floor and sweep it side to side to cover the area where you expect the part to be. If it is there, it will light up like a beacon with a dark background. Works every time. The principle is one of contrast, it is the same reason you can see dust when a beam of sunlight shines in a dark room. Ed. Low -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: German Boot Topping Hi, John Snyder's post about boot topping touched on something I'd been wondering about for a while, since I thought I'd seen photographs of models of German ships with what looked like a dark grey boot topping. My question is this: Did all types of German ships in both world wars have a dark grey (vs. black) boot topping, or were there exceptions or variations? For example, should the Konig's boot topping be dark grey or black? Thanks, Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: CBNJBB62@aol.com Subject: Re: John Butler Hi Guys There is a John Butler class DE from Skywave in 1/700 scale. It costs $32.00 before tax and comes with 2 complete kits in the box to build. I haven't built mine yet. But using the Lindberg Holt DE-706 will require some work. I have a sister ship kit the Kimmel you would need to add 4 more 20 mm guns near the bridge. It needs a Hedge hog launcher behind the 1st 5 inch gun. The stern 20 mm gun tub needs to have wall added to enclose the tub facing the depth charge racks. Also You'll have to add plastic styrene sheets cut out to fit the opening the wave shield walls are parallel to to the bridge on the main deck. You may want to draw in the hatch that's there and put a piece of plastic to connect the walls top to the conning tower. Lastly is the anchors they have extension that makes them to long so that will have to be trimmed. In conclusion I know something of SC-96 (W.W.I) operational history. The SC-96 was built in Bayonne, NJ in Dec 1917 at a cost of $72,150.00 She was sent to the Mediteerean Sea to blockade the Adriatic Sea between Italy and Albania with 33 sistership. After WW I there was a lot of unrest in dissolved empires so she remained with American Naval Squadron near Turkey and was used as a transport to removed the families of allied nations ambassadors as the chaos occurred in those waters. Her final fate was to be sold in Athens Greece in 1924 for commercial use after being stripped of Gov. equipment and the US squadron went home. Craig Bennett -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: USS San Jose, Matthews, Butternut Okay you naval buffs here's something to chew on. I'm searching for any of these three vessels. I assume all these ships are the same class vessel. A friend asked me about them and I drew a blank so I need some help. They aren't cruisers. I looked in Friedman's cruiser book. They're not destroyers. Checked the destroyer website and the names don't come up. They're not battleships. Anyone know? (1) What class are these ships? (2) Are there any models available of this class of vessel? Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "ERIC OLSON" Subject: Smit Rotterdam In addition to the colors, can anybody identify a webpage where there might be some color photos of the Smit Rotterdam? Thanks in advance. Eric O.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: Marc Flake Subject: Re: IPMS-USA Dallas Updated list of 18 SMMLies attending the IPMS-USA Dallas Convention July 19-22: Bruce Buchner John Collins Mike Czibovic Joe Damato Marc Flake Ed Grune Donald Hinton Dave Miller Nathan Pettigrew Allan and Crystal Plumb Mike Quan Nat Richards Bruce Ross John Snyder Rusty White Derek Wakefield Steve Wiper Ed says the ship and aircraft seminars will occur early. Tours to Fort Hood and other museums later in the convention. Suggestions for a get together are Friday or Saturday, with "Happy Hour" prior to Saturday's banquet offered as a specific time. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: Mike Settle Subject: Re: Smit Rotterdam >> I am building a salvage tugs -SMIT Rotterdam from Heller. Can someone tell me the colour of the colour giving by Heller. Colour Codes - 24,25,30,60,62,64,73,85,130. << The numbers you list are the Humbrol numbers given on the Heller instruction sheet. When I built my Smit Rotterdam last year, I also had trouble cross-referencing the colors. Using the Modeler's Technical Guide by Testors, and the box art, I came up with the following substitutes for the Heller numbers you asked about: 24 - Testors Acryl #4771 Gelb RLM 04 25 - Testors Acryl #4612 Cobalt Blue 30 - Testors Acryl #4849 or Model Master #2060 RAF Dk. Green 60 - I mixed a color that was close to the box art, but did not keep a record of what I used. 62 - Testors Model Master # ? Leather 64 - Testors Model Master #2113 Italian Blue Gray 73 - Testors Pla enamel #1531 Burgundy 85 - Testors Model Master #2740 Semi-Gloss Black 130 - Testors Model Master #2142 Flat White These colors may not be exact matches for the real Smit Rotterdam, but I doubt that Heller listed 100% accurate colors anyway. I also used the discontinued Floquil Marine Anti-Fouling Oxide Red on the lower part of the hull. If you would like to see my finished model, it can be found on Felix Bustelo's International Maritime Modeling page at: http://members.tripod.com/~Febus65/imm.htm Then go to the photo gallery. Scroll down close to the bottom and look for photos of ships by Mike Settle. (All right. No comments from you Shane about my blatant self-promotion. After all, both of my ship models featured on Felix' web site is currently 100% of my ship model production. ;-þ ) Mike Settle I am not agent #1908 of the non-existent Lumber Cartel (tinlc)tm Hi Mike, I'm shocked, nay dismayed that you think I would be so callow as to comment on that. Afterall, I'm just waiting to see your next ship model ;-þ. BTW, check out the APMA site links pages for a nice jeep site at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm - NOW, that's self promotion ;-)) Shane - who "may" just finish the Onslow this month -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: Mike Settle Subject: Re: whatcha buildn Well, I have tried to avoid this thread, but I might as well confess. I am still working on the Lindberg Coast Guard Patrol Boat. I think I have finally gotten a paint job that will not have to be stripped off and re-applied, but then again, I still have to paint the lower hull. I'm also working on a "ship" that has a prop on the front and wings! But horror of horrors, I am also working on something that has four wheels and a steering wheel. Can anybody say Jeep? Mike Settle I am not agent #1908 of the non-existent Lumber Cartel (tinlc)tm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: Dboykap@aol.com Subject: Re: Watcha Building Have just tuned back in time to ride this discussion thread out. In process: 1) 1/700 Tamiya Zuikaku, circa June '44 - still under construction 2) 1/700 Skywave Kamikawa Maru 3) 1/700 Skywave I-400(s) 4) 1/1 Kaplan Bathroom renovation (which is why I'm just tuning back in on this thread). You can imagine which item is on my wife's priority build list. Exclusively. Dan Kaplan, NYC (where Mother Nature hasn't quite yet figured out the Hot vs. Cold thing yet. But I'm hopeful) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) From: Mike Settle Subject: Re: Trade offs between resin and plastic >> Wow! The light bulb goes off over my head! Fantastic insight on this one. The reason so many plastic kits are so poor is that they were designed by a Committee!! The only known life form with 12 stomachs and no brain! << Tom, just remember, a camel is a horse that was designed by a committee. Mike Settle I am not agent #1908 of the non-existent Lumber Cartel (tinlc)tm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31) From: Dbrown303@aol.com Subject: Re: IPMS(USA) Nats I'll be there. Derek Brown -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 32) From: "wblad" Subject: Hosho aircraft Hosho carried the island for only a few months during her trials in early 1923. During this time she tested a variety of aircraft types to determine carrier suitability. You could reasonably model any single engine plane then in service. The island was removed before she became operational with the fleet. The island was considered too small to be of much use in conning the ship and large enough to interfere with flight ops. She had no permanently assigned air group while she wore the island. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 33) From: Damian Pliszka Subject: New book from Poland Hi, Soon there will be released new Profile Morskie No. 27 with HMS Queen Elizabeth. Damian Pliszka Slupsk, Poland -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 34) From: "chuah tze wen" Subject: 1/350 yamato hi everyone, i'm currently building tamiya's 1/350 yamato.i need u guys out there to share with me any tips or problems u encountered when building this model.this is my first 1/350 project and i would like to detail it as much as possible. thanx. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 35) From: "Mark Shannon" Subject: Heller/Humbrol colors Calvin Chui wrote: >> I am building a salvage tugs -SMIT Rotterdam from Heller. Can someone >tell me the colour of the colour giving by Heller. << Colour Codes - 24 -- Matt Trainer Yellow 25 -- Matt Dark Blue 30 -- Matt Dark Green 60 -- Matt Scarlet 62 -- Leather 64 -- Matt Aircraft Light Grey 73 -- Matt Crimson/Wine 85 -- Semi-Gloss Coal Black 130 -- Semi-Gloss Light Green. If you go to: http://www.hotel.wineasy.se/ipms/stuff_eng_colorcharts.htm You can get a set of tables that match Humbrol paint to other brands. Sometimes the equivalent is not exact, and some have no direct equivalent, but this often is a matter of one being gloss and one being matt paint, or some such. Mark -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 36) From: Alan &Teresa Scheckenbach Subject: HMS Hood Association Chaps A colleague (who is also a family history nutter) thinks he had a relative on the Hood when she went down but has been unable to find much info on him. I know several weeks (months) ago there was a very pleasant fellow here who was part of the association. Is he still here? Would you mind contacting me offlist? Thanks Alan Hi Alan, Check out the HMS Hood Association website at: http://www.hmshood.com Also, I'm sure Frank will be in touch shortly anyway & yes he's a pleasant guy ;-) Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 37) From: "lcp9" Subject: Re: IPMS DALLAS I'll be there, & I'd suggest a Sat Lunch by the pool like we did in Orlando........ David Angelo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 38) From: Nathan Pettigrew Subject: Looking for model/plans for HMS Roberts or her sister HMS Abercrombie, WW2 era monitors. I ran across her in Conway's and it looked like a pretty interesting ship. I haven't been able to find much about her in the usual places (WEM, Warship, Floating Drydock). If anyone could point me in the right direction, I would appreciate it. Thanks for your time, Nathan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Keith Butterley Subject: SMMLcon 2005 Hi group, Dave Shirlaw and I on behalf of the HMCS Annapolis Museum would like to formally invite one and all to Vancouver, Canada, for SMMLcon 2005. We shall host you aboard the HMCS Annapolis and think you will enjoy visiting one of the most beautiful cities in North America. Keith Butterley -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "s" Subject: Books for sale Hi I have these book avalible for sale. All are in great shape. Thanks Skip Robinson LA Calif. Anatomy of the ship The Submarine ALLIANCE. 1986 120pgs.Very good conditon. Excellent book. Lots of Superb detail drawings of entire sub. Pictures and history. $25.00 IOWA CLASS BATTLESHIPS Their design Weapons & Equipment. Robert Sumrall. 1994.191pgs.good condition. Great book with lots of pictures of the ships in different fits . History of the lowa class. $29.00 BATTLESHIPS United States Battleships in World War II Dulin, Garzke. Sumrall.updated 3rd printing 1984. 290 pgs.Covers North Carolina Class, South Dakota Class, Iowa Class ,Montana Class, Alaska class and alot more. Drawings ,pictures Etc. Great book. $35.00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: GrafSpee34@aol.com Subject: Nice Ship Detail Photos 4 Sale Hi Cleaning out my closets again and have several batches of good ship photos for sale on eBay. As usual, everything starts at $1 with no reserve. Satisfaction guaranteed. 1) A lot of seven USN air recon photos of a Kresta class Soviet destroyer. Superbly sharp high resolution shots, port and starboard views from above, perfect for model building! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=357702410 2) Some very large vintage USN official photos from Coral Sea, Midway and Pearl Harbor: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=357721504 3) A bound volume of the WW2 Journal of Recognition, with lots and lots of Allied and Axis ships plus planes and tanks. One article shows and compares the wakes left by different types of vessels. Really good for waterline model building! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=357650226 4) a nice group of Spanish American War vintage photos of USN pre dreadnought battleships and a destroyer. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=357688520 Plus other WW2 vintage books, and the usual assortment of accumulated junk. Thanks for looking! Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Smit Rotterdam Colors Ref. SMML Vol. 941 posting by Calvin Chui: Photomarine Archives has a set of photos originally shot on color slide stock showing Smit London at Long Beach, CA in the 1980s. These are dockside photos made to compliment the Heller 1/200 scale kit depicting the Smit London and Smit Rotterdam. Contact me offlist if interested in obtaining info. Victor Baca PHOTOMARINE ARCHIVES Model Ship Journal modelships@earthlink.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume