Subject: SMML VOL 944 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 03:49:28 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Me Too! Me Too! 2: Re: Ian Buxton's Big Gun Monitors 3: USS BLUE RIDGE 4: Linoleum deck covering 5: Re: ? Decals ? 6: SMML Fix 7: T-3 Tanker Plans 8: Re: San Jose, Matthews and Butternut 9: USS Texas while in Dallas 10: Royal Oak 11: Re: Making decals 12: Re: Get together vote 13: Re: Space Shuttles - Buran 14: Re: San Jose 15: Re: several items 16: Re: Space Shuttles 17: Foreign Space Shuttles 18: Re: Royal Oak 19: Camo Question 20: Sailing ships drawings 21: Re: Bob Santos' Models 22: Re: Committees 23: Scale differences 24: Canadian Ship Colours 25: Re: Space shuttles 26: An apology to Hugh Letterly 27: Royal Oak and Scapa 28: Re: IPMS-USA Dallas 29: Looking for Big Gun Monitors Book 30: Modelcraft, etc 31: Re: Space Shuttles 32: 1/72 Photo Etch 33: AKA 34: Re: Royal Oak 35: RAN warships 1942 36: Japanese boot topping 37: Re: Derek Brown 38: Awnings in 1/700 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: APMA site update - approx 300 pictures added!! 2: Model Ship Journal Is Mailing 3: New stuff from Commander Series/Iron Shipwrights -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: Re: Me Too! Me Too! Jim: Check the vendor list again. Corsair Armada and JAG Collective have confirmed space. So has Lone Star Models for those of you who might be interested in US Civil War era iron clads. Steve Wiper will not be the lone ship vendor in the room. Caroline, will you have another Convention Special coupon sale like last year - with coupons available from Steve Those 4 tables are singletons -- scattered in the room -- generally between larger vendors displays. Ed Mansfield, TX (the convention opens 4 weeks from yesterday) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: AandMBlevins@gateway.net Subject: Re: Ian Buxton's Big Gun Monitors By coincidence I recently asked Al Ross about Monitors. He kindly referred me to Big Gun Monitors by Buxton. Unfortunately, I have not been able to locate a copy after trying all the usual sources. Do have my name wait listed at several though. Does anyone know where a copy can be found? Al Blevins -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Wjp18086@aol.com Subject: USS BLUE RIDGE Looking for a model kit of USS Blue Ridge or any other hip in that class. Does any cpmpany manufacture this kit, and if they dp what is the scale? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: GrafSpee34@aol.com Subject: Linoleum deck covering Can anybody comment on when linoleum first started to be used as a deck covering? The earliest evidence I have seen is on some German and Austro-Hungarian dockyard models circa 1910. When was this material invented? Do the materials used in its composition account for its usual brown color, or is this a coloring? Did it come in other colors before 1945? Thanks Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: TPrice1169@aol.com Subject: Re: ? Decals ? Henry - You might want to post your question on: http://www.onelist.com/group/alpsdecal There are a number of modelers who create and print their own decals... tony price sea and sea model ships -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: SMML Fix Hugh Letterly wrote: >> My main concern is that someone bring a laptop PC and a printer. I don't know about the rest of you but I need my daily fix of SMML as much or more than my caffeine. I will be in attendance also and I know of some others but they have to submit their own names. Just remember to duck when you see a Cyclops in a red Porsche with curb feelers. << Hugh: I know where the IPMS-NCT computers that will run the awards show will be stored. I can probably coerce the operator to print a copy of the daily SMML and have it available at one of the vendor's tables. I'm also hoping that I can borrow Mike Quan and/or digital camera to get pictures of all the ship entries and post them to the SMML site - perhaps with daily updates. Ed Mansfield, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: GtLakesMem@aol.com Subject: T-3 Tanker Plans Greetings: I am in search of Plans for the T-3 Tanker as built by Bethlehem Shipbuilding at Sparrows Point, MD, in World War II. I am interested in Outboard Profile, General Arrangement, hull lines. We have two that were converted to Bulk Carriers here on the Great Lakes of North America. There do not seem to be any drawings available. Any assistance will be greatly appreciated. Al Jackman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: San Jose, Matthews and Butternut I want to thank everyone who has contributed info on these vessels. Apparently a lot of people have better libraries than I do. It has become painfully obvious that unless my friend can supply more info on these ships (hull number, class or era) he'll never be able to find the ship they are looking for. Thanks again. I knew you guys would come through. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: USS Texas while in Dallas Steve Lau wrote >> We will be arriving Wed evening but I plan on missing Thursday as I would like to drive down to Houston to see the USS Texas that day. Unless, of course, any of our Texas friends think a day trip from Dallas to Houston is nuts. By the way, anyone have any idea how late the Texas is open? << The Texas is open 10 am to 5 pm every day except Christmas Eve and Christmas Day. You're looking at an approximate 4 hour drive each way. Rush hour (?) is 630 - 900 and you will be opposite traffic on the way down I-45. If you hit the road early you'll be there in time for opening - or soon thereafter. You might want to get an early start back to beat the Houston traffic. I'll decline to comment on your mental state, as I've done similar. However, if you choose to do both the Texas and NASA Houston in one day - then I might be inclined to say something. Ed Mansfield, TX Texas is a big place. When you cross into the state at Texarkana, you're closer to Chicago than you are to El Paso. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Royal Oak Hi Murph Sabotage was a serious possibility as there are many unsolved questions that still exist. However, fragments of the torpedoes which sank the Royal Oak were actually recovered in January 1940 so this tends to support the submarine sinking. You're right about Priem's log and account it's a load of drivel. Apparently he was prepared to be used by the Nazi authorities for propaganda purposes and so the false account was born. To Katzcom You don't dive on war graves. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Making decals Micro Mark advertise decal paper that is compatible with ink jet printer inks. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Get together vote Friday or Saturday lunch sounds good to me. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Robert Mosher" Subject: Re: Space Shuttles - Buran The Russian space shuttle, which bore a strong resemblance to the U.S. one (shock and amazement), but did not have the large main engines of the U.S. shuttles. One surviving example of the Buran is now in central Moscow's Gorkiy Park amusement park where it is an "attraction" offering "space trips" (minimal to no special effects) during which the highpoint is reportedly eating space food. Robert M -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: San Jose >> USS Mathews, (note only one t) AKA -96, an attack cargo ship. USS Butternut, AN-9, a net laying ship. No luck on San Jose, could it possibly be San Juan? If so it is a light cruiser, CL-54. << IAW Dictionary of US Fighting Ships, San Jose AFS-7 Combat Stores Ship Bob Santos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: several items >> Bob's too modest to say anything so I will. Check out the Warship site and take a peek at some of Bob Santo's models. Many you have already seen in FSM. His water cross section dioramas are some of the best I've seen. Marvelous technique. << THANK YOU, RUSTY. I appreciate that. I hope Bob Steinbrunn is reading this, we have corresponded for years and he knows how much I admire his work, my heart goes out to you. If there is anything I don't like to do it's repair a broken model, especially one that's rigged, and I have had my share but here are two examples that go in different directions and I'll make it short. I had a fully rigged model of the sloop of war Rattlesnake depicted under full sail in a model sea. It was in a glass case. An objet fell on the case and shattered the glass which then went down and cut all the rigging. I never repaired that one, it's in the barn, and I have never used glass for a case after that. I once made a set piece with three Colonial Dragoons fighting 3 British Dragoons, all mounted and with each horse galloping with only one leg on the ground, they sort of floated in the action. I was taking it to a competition and a friend turned the box upside down (he felt worse than I did). It broke every sword and every horse's leg. I put it away not wanting to work on it but not really upset, it was just one of those things. Several years later I was looking for a project, got it out, repaired it, and it now lives in the Patton Museum of Cavalry and Armor at Ft.Knox, so there is life after disaster. I feel your pain, Bob. Cheers, Bob Santos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Michael Dunn" Subject: Re: Space Shuttles Craig wrote :- >> Back in the early 90's NASA had the Shuttle Endeavor join it's fleet giving them 4. Columbia, Discovery, Atlantis and Endeavor. Now at the same time it was announced that other countries had shuttles like Japan, Russia and the European Union. It was predicted by the early 2000s they would be operational. Any one anything about this? << OK, here goes...... Russia: the tiles fell off the Buran on her only flight (fully unmanned; now the US can learn from that......). They decided not to repair, and the last I heard the Buran was supposed to be a "themed restaraunt" in Gorky Park....won't last too long. See her while you can. Japan: still working on it. I don't believe they have made a working model yet. ESA: ditto, although they do have some trials models. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "JAmes McCormick" Subject: Foreign Space Shuttles The Only Space Shuttle Outside the US is the Buran, a soviet design. It has made one, maybe two glides from altitude, but that is about all it will ever do. With the collapse of the Soviet empire, financing for a pjoject such as this just ain't coming. It is very similar in shape to the US shuttles, as with many russian copies of western designs, it just looks "chunky" in comparison -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "murph" Subject: Re: Royal Oak Katzcom wrote >> Well you must remember that the R class were designed during the first world war, where as the Yam**** was designed in the late 30s, also I would think that with Royal Oak being moored she may of been in shallowish water, I know that you can dive on her. << The Royal Oak is a war grave and cannot be dived on, the RN periodically go down and check the wreck, to this day there is still oil escaping from the wreck Murph -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Ross Bruce-QBR000 Subject: Camo Question Sitting here looking at pictures of various disruptive camo patterns and the question comes to mind; obviously the pattern extended over outboard surfaces of bridgewings, gun tubs, bulwarks, etc. What about the inboard sides? Was the pattern replicated on the inside of gun tubs and the like or was the most prominent color in the area applied to the surface as a whole? Inquiring minds want to know. Bruce -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: FABIO Subject: Sailing ships drawings Dear Sir: Perhaps you can help me. Do you know where, in the web, can I find drawins of old ships so I can make my wood models? Thanks for your attention. Cordially, Ricardo Martins de Azevedo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Bob Santos' Models >> Bob's too modest to say anything so I will. Check out the Warship site and take a peek at some of Bob Santo's models. Many you have already seen in FSM. His water cross section dioramas are some of the best I've seen. Marvelous technique. << Yes, I did, and I'm several shades of green with envy. I think that we all need to take a contract out on this guy - He's blowing the top off the curve :-) Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Committees >> And an Elephant is mouse built under government contract. Good thing the government doesn't develop models. Or maybe they do under the business front name of Skywave. That would explain the price of their 1/700 kits. << If Government did make ship model kits, they'd come in one piece and would be molded from biodegradable compressed soya hulls. That way they'd be environmentally safe and would avoid the hazards inherent in the use of super glue and sharp cutting implements!! Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: SAMI ARIM Subject: Scale differences >> Decided to scratch build a trio of waterline models of the battleship Warspite in her 3 main configurations, 1918, 1932, & 1944 at a scale of <1:384 or 1/32 inch to the foot to you lot who have gone metric, starting now with the 1918 version. The decision being made over 1:350 because she was designed and built in feet and inches. Many models (including N Ough) made in these imperial scales and its the arrival of Japanese kits which has swung the market over to 350/700 scales. I believe that the scale should follow that of the prototype? << Hello, I think you are mixing between the measuring system and the scale of it. Any distance can be measured in feet and inches or meters and centimeters. You are just making your life harder by choosing the 1/384 scale, since it is easier to divide any number into 350 rather than 384. Good luck with your models. Sami Arim -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: Darren Scannell Subject: Canadian Ship Colours Hi Gang, I promised a while back that I would come up with a set of colours to use on Canadian Navy ships. (like the new Iron Shipwright Halifax!). Well after much mixing and cursing, here it is! I have included both enamel and acrylic, although I couldn't do every brand so I stuck to a couple of easily accessible brands in North America. The numbers in brackets are ratios for those that might not know : ). If you have any questions, I'm sure you won't hesitate to ask! Canadian Navy Grey (or Gray for those south of the border) is a light grey with a hint of green. The following are mixes that come so close to the original colour that the difference isn't worth writing home about (or even noticeable under the right light), as matched to an actual shipboard sample of course. Enamel: Model Master: (5)Flat Gull Gray FS36440 + (1) USSR Interior Blue/Green + (3) Flat white Acrylic: Polly Scale: (30) Pale Blue Gray + (1) Penn State Central Green For those that do not want to mix, the Polly Scale Pale Blue Gray wouldn't look too bad. The Deck Gray is almost a charcoal colour and fades to a very light grey, almost concrete looking color. FS 36081 Gray is a perfect match for freshly painted surfaces. this color is made by Model Master and Gunze Sangyo. Add white or a light gray if a faded look is desired. Probably a good idea, as it is a very dark colour out of the bottle and may not look good at scale. The Helicopter pad is painted an interesting Green colour that has the same non skid as the deck and fades to a very light grey also (except around the edges, oddly enough). Enamel: Model Master: (5) USSR Interior Blue/Green + (1) Testors 1171 Matt Beret Green Acrylic: Polly Scale: (20)Penn State Central Green + (1)Flat Black Either color would be fine out of the bottle for a slightly worn and faded look or a little white or gray can be added to fade it more drastically. The waterline is flat black, or Dark grey for the scale enthusiast. The anti-fouling paint is a medium grey that fades and is very patchy from repairs and uneven wear. There can also be spots of an almost pink primer around some small recently worked on sections. FS 36176 Dark Gray is a good match (MM or other). I am told that the shipyard used a standard red anti fouling paint when each ship was built. The Navy would have repainted at each ships first dock period using the standard grey. The top of the stack and SPS 49 radar are flat black. The CIWS dome and communications dome on the hangar are white. I hope this helps everybody and I haven't left anything out. Enjoy! Darren Scannell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "Francisco Javier Chaves Salarrullana" Subject: Re: Space shuttles Hi everybody! >> Now at the same time it was announced that other countries had shuttles like Japan, Russia and the European Union. << Mine's operational, but I think that is a bit hard to maintain due to the ever increasing price of petrol these days. Wish I could drive down the avenue with a girl in my space shuttle... "Whatcha buildin'?" Well, after a short break caused for job reasons, last Sunday I reopened the "Old Junk Box" and looked inside. Then I thought that I sholuld have to finish something (this week there is a contest here and my entries are superior. None.) I can say that I have get a collection of kits in every imaginable building stage, from loose parts traveling to every place they can inside the box, to that "Hey just glue that antenna and it'll be O.K." thas reminds me that something is about to be finished. But I like it! (My name could have been Chaos). Some of the things that are on dry dock: Graff Spee from Heller in 1/400th. Is just about to be painted (thanks Dave). H.M.S. King George V from Airfix in 1/600th. In an advanced disorder, but starts looking like a ship. Wondering the kind of camouflage I can paint her, because all the schemes are just fine (thanks Art). H.M.S. Victorious from Airfix in 1/600th. This is an old wrecked model, and I'm just thinking about some kind of surgery... or better not? Gneisenau from Heller in 1/400th. Another from the melting pot, rescued and still salvageable. Needs only minor repairs, a few details and a whole repainting (Berks...). Yamato from Arii in 1/600th. Spending some time on the ship, but no launching date on sight. B-24 H Liberator from Airfix in 1/72th. After long hours of foiling with household aluminium (75% done), decals for "The Dragoon and his Tail" are impatiently waiting for having a bath! P-47 D from Academy in 1/72th. I primed this plane last Sunday. Hotspur glider from Frog in 1/72th. Fuselage halves about to be closed forever! My little gem, Hispano Aviación HA-200 Saeta from MPM in 1/72th. I'm detailing the cockpit, but not so much. Even a Matilda Tank! This is the result of a bet I lost to a fellow modeler, and I must build a tank, at least this Airfix 1/72th one. Brithish tank designers, WHY SO MANY WHEELS???? (Sob...) And lots of kits just opened and tested, and tested, and tested.... After this lines I think that you can have an idea of what I like. Just having fun building models, and sharing that fun with other modelers. Anyone knows how to build a good Bismarck in 1/600th scale? Could be a good project mixing the Airfix 1/600 and the Revell 1/570 choosing the hull of the Revell (reshaping the bow) and the best parts ( ??? ) that can be used of each kit, plus a lot of scratchbuilding? Best regards. Francisco Javier Chaves. Zaragoza (Spain). E.U. Where the shuttles are not flying, only commuting... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: "Jim Johnson" Subject: An apology to Hugh Letterly I would like to apologize to Hugh for overlooking his company and several others in the list of vendors who will be attending the nationals at Dallas. I have a very debilitating disease which prevented me from seeing them in the list. It is called AMS. I have been suffering from AMS since I was mere slip of a youth (oh! has that been a long time ago). AMS is Advanced Modelers Syndrome. I deprives me of the ability to say; "I don't need that model. I don't have time to work on it. I can't afford it. I won't buy it even if it is half price." I also can not say; "I have enough reference material, I don't need any more. Those are the most gorgeous decals I have ever seen, but I don't want to buy a kit to put them on. I won't buy that new paint but will wait until I need it." The one thing that would cause me to pass out (I'm dizzy just typing it), is if I ever said; "I'll just wait till I'm done with what I'm working on before I buy and/or start another project." Ouch! My fingers cramped up just typing that! I have gone through several 12 step programs for AMS. I have almost weaned myself off of 1/43 scale cars. I'm down to just a few per year. I've completely eliminated HO railroading (but I am still hoarding what I have in case my 5 yr old gets interested) and just buy maybe one 1/24,1/25,1/20 or 1/12 car model a month. My current habits are 1/350 ships and 1/72 aircraft. Since Loose Cannon produces 1/700 ships, I must completely ignore them and all the other producers of 1/700 scale ships. I've heard that you can experiment with them and not become hooked, and that may be true for some people, but I'm afraid that I am what's called an addictive type. One little Fletcher class and the next thing you know it would be British BB's snuck in under the KC-97 box, Dutch CL's hidden inside the decal drawer, German DD's under the paint. The next thing you know, I'd be ordering 20 bags of 1/700 German carrier planes. Once the 1/700 camel's nose was in the tent, it would be over for me. I therefore have to pretend that 1/700 does not exist. So you see my oversight was deliberate in order to save my sanity, my marriage and leave some room on the shelves for more 1/350 ships! More 1/350 ships!!!!!! MORE MORE MORE I MUST HAVE MORE I TELL YOU MORE. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: Stuart Robottom Subject: Royal Oak and Scapa Hi all, I am enjoying this Royal Oak thread. With respect to U47's log, and Scapa entry, it was foggy, and there were two other ships (at least) in Scapa at the time. I think we all know how things aren't quite as they appear in fog. Also, a Uboat on the surface could have handled the currents. If U47 was on the surface when she entered she would go around the ends of the blockships, installed during WW1, where currents had eroded the shoreline. At least one ASW trawler, approx. equal in size, speed, maneuverability, used this method of entry when the boom vessel was asleep, and when the NOIC found out the skipper had to explain how he had appeared in Scapa without going through the boom. Now all I need to do is find a Royal Sovereign and kitbash! Does this kit readily transform into Royal Oak? Regards, Stuart Robottom -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: Marc Flake Subject: Re: IPMS-USA Dallas Updated list (28): David Angleo Derek Brown Bruce Buchner John Collins Mike Czibovic Joe Damato Marc Flake Ed Grune Donald Hinton Jim Johnson Mark Knowlton Steve Lau Hugh Letterly Dave Miller Art Nicholson Tony Partlow Nathan Pettigrew Allan and Crystal Plumb Mike Quan Kelly Quirk Nat Richards Bruce Ross John Snyder Al Superczynski Rusty White Derek Wakefield Steve Wiper Get-together: Friday lunch -- 1 Saturday "sometime"-- 1 Saturday lunch -- 1 Saturday "Happy hour" -- 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Looking for Big Gun Monitors Book The subject line says it all - Where can I get a copy. I tried Bibliofind and ALIBIS with no luck. Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) From: Jodie Peeler Subject: Modelcraft, etc hello all.... Eric Hougland wrote: >> Both Revell and ModelCraft offer a 1/570 Queen Mary. I can't really tell how similar they are as I've only built the ModelCraft kit, but the propeller bosses/screws appear to be inaccurate on both. << It's probably the same mold. Modelcraft reissues old kits formerly made by others, notably Revell. I know that Modelcraft has reissued some old aircraft kits (for instance, the ecchy Revell L-1011 and the old Frog/Revell Shackleton), so it would stand to reason for ships as well. That said, as expensive as it would be, I'd love to see the resin revolution come to ocean liners as well -- not only an accurate (for once!) QM and QE, but also the Normandie and United States. And just imagine the crossover market for an SS America with bits to build her as the USS West Point...! :) Hugh Letterly wrote: >> Loose Cannon will be in Dallas also so don't spend too much money on aircraft. I also saw some other vendors on the list, I can't imagine that they would attend and not bring any goodies to sell. << Amen to that! I had the good fortune to meet David Angelo at the Atlanta show in February -- a very nice guy to talk to, and his models are gorgeous (and affordable!). I wished I had brought more cash with me -- that John S. McCain he had on display was so beautiful! Any guy who fills obscure holes like that (and with AD/AR/AS-types) is indispensible.... :) Wjp18086@aol.com wrote: >> Does anyone know if there are any model kits produced of the USS Blue Ridge << I think Pit Road did a 1/700 version in resin with brass and/or white metal bits. Whatever it is, I know it's horribly expensive. I'd love to have this kit so I can build the Mount Whitney, which I visited in 1991, but at that price I'll just build it myself. Oh, and sympathies to Bob Steinbrunn for the accident to the Kidd model! I feel so sick for him.... jodie http://www.mindspring.com/~raisingirl/ Hi Jodie, The resin revolution has indeed come to the ship modelling scene, there was at least some resin liners available from Japan at one stage & iirc, WEM are looking at them as well. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Space Shuttles The Russians had a shuttle, Buran, which flew unmanned exactly once in 1988. It very much resembled the US Shuttle, with the main difference being that the engines were all on the booster rocket, and not reusable. Their shuttle was launched on their Energiya booster, which somewaht resembles the US shuttle fuel tank with engines. Their equivaelnt of the solid rocket boosters are liquid fuel strap ons (4, IIRC instead of 2 as on the US Shuttle). The program died in the collapse of the Soviet Union. The Japanese have had more than their share of woes with their H-2 rocket, so their small shuttle is still vaporware. Various European plans were floated; I believe their Hermes shuttle, due to fly to the International Space Station was cancelled. We now return you to Ship modelling, already in progress..... Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 32) From: "MJW" Subject: 1/72 Photo Etch Anyone sell 1/72 photoetch goodies? e.g. Oerlikon add ons, door handles, ready locker latches and the like? Malcolm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 33) From: Kdg345@aol.com Subject: AKA To: wblad and Dave Judy: An AKA is not an attack transport , it is a auxilary cargo attack - I served on AKA-93. An APA is an atack transport. The "K" is for cargo and the "P" is for personnel. See The Bluejacket's Manual, 1950 page 420. Even Admirals get this wrong. The book: "The Sea War in Korea" calls an AKA "assult cargo". I am building a 5 foot model of AKA-93 - The Yancey. Ken Groom -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 34) From: SJantscher@aol.com Subject: Re: Royal Oak >> Yamato and Musashi had heavier armour, they were closed up and their damage control was functioning and their design flaws lay elsewhere. A better comparision would be the Shinano which went down after being hit by 5 torpedoes on the same side in a similar short period of time. << Hi Chris, The Shinano took some time to sink, as in hours (shot around 03:00, rolled over a little after 10:00 the next morning) according to Garzke and Dulin. Correct me if I'm wrong, but not only was her watertight condition compromised by construction and cables etc. passing through (would be) water tight bulkheads, but there wasn't a trained crew aboard to do damage control. Just my 2 cents worth... Steve Jantscher -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 35) From: Clifford Franklin Subject: RAN warships 1942 The following is not particularly comprehensive, but hopefully the information will help you. In 1942 the RAN had the following ships: Australia: operated in the sw Pacific throughout 1942. Had a dazzle scheme at least until May, but had a dark overall scheme later on. Canberra: in the sw Pacific May 42 until her sinking in August, when she was also in a dark overall colour. Hobart: operated wth task forces 61 and 44 in the Pacific in May, was at Guadalcanal and Tulagi in August, refitted in October in Australia, then joined TF 44 (renamed TF 74 in May 43) until her torpedoing in July 43. I have not seen any photos of her in 1942, but she was in a solid overall colour in July 43. Perth: in the sw Pacific until her sinking in March 42. Her second disruptive scheme applied in Australia was replaced by a dark overall colour before her loss. Stuart: in the sw Pacific area from late 1942 onwards, but no information on her colours. Voyager: operated in the sw Pacific area until her loss in Sept 42, when she was in scruffy overall dark colour. Vendetta: damaged in Feb 42, she was under refit and conversion to an escort destroyer until 1943. When she emerged she also was in a single colour scheme. Arunta: ran trials from May 42 when she wore a two tone disruptive scheme. Some evidence suggests she retained this when she went north to the combat zone later that year. Warramunga: also ran trials (from Nov 42) wearing a similar two tone disruptive as Arunta. N class: these vessels were all operating in the Indian Ocean or around South Africa until late in 1943. Most seem to have worn a dark band around their lower hulls, with light uppers. Norman was an exception, she wore an Admiralty disruptive similar to that worn by the Q class. Q class; in the Med or Indian Oceans until early 1945, and wore Admiralty schemes throughout this time. River class frigates: operated around Australia or New Guinea mostly, and were painted in dark overall schemes or dark disruptives. Bathurst class corvettes: of those that operated around Australia or the sw Pacific area, most seem to have worn Admiralty style disruptives applied in Australia. The above information was compiled from a perusal of photos in the AWM database, from Ross Gillett's book "Warships of Australia and New Zealand," from various Naval Historical Society books, and Whitleys "Cruisers of WW2" and "Destroyers of WW2." HTH cheers Cliff Franklin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 36) From: "hugh1lottie2" Subject: Japanese boot topping Just picked up the Profile Morskie on the Yukikaze and itıs great but there is one thing I have to question. The large color profile has a black boot topping and I have been told that this incorrect and Japanese ships donıt have boot topping. Anyone care to comment? Hugh -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 37) From: Dbrown303@aol.com Subject: Re: Derek Brown >> I'll be there. Derek Brown << You're not bring that Russian gun boat are you? If you are, I'm leaving my models at home. Rusty White << Well........ I *was* going to bring my 1/72 scale INJ Soryu, complete with hand-laid deck, working elevator, props that spin on the 24 aircraft warming up on the deck during the dawn launch for Pearl, (one with a well documented oil leak that occured prior to flight) and 113 scratch built crewmen, two with laces that are untied !!! But alas - I don't think I'll be able to finish hand lettering the characters on the flight board. ;^} Seriously - I cannot wait to see eveyone and their fabulous models! I need a dose of inspiration! Derek -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 38) From: "Donald Hinton" Subject: Awnings in 1/700 >> 2) How can I simulate awings in that scale (that would also let me model the ship with turret #1's barrels sticking up though the torn canvas)? << Derek, On my 1/192 USS Keokuk ironclad, I made awnings by pressing down Verlinden lead foil over a scratchbuilt master, then cut the excess off. The lead is a bit thick for 1/700, but it presses down nicely and holds its shape better than some of the other materials I tried (aluminum foil). Just make sure it isn't too heavy for the 1/700 attachment points. Don Hinton -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Shane Subject: APMA site update - approx 300 pictures added!! Hi gang, Well we have yet another update to the APMA (Australian Plastic Modeller's Assoc) website. We have fellow SMMLies Simon Wolff & Ian Wrenford's models: Simon has his model of the Revell 1/720 USS Arizona on his page & Ian has his model of a Lockheed Vega Floatplane in the Aquatic Aircraft page. New model pages include The Great Aquatic Aircraft Competition & the 60th Anniversary of the Battle of Britain Display Day + various members have had their pages updated with new models. We now have the reference section up & running with subjects ranging from AFVs thru to WW1 subjects. Most of the photos are courtesy of APMA members & there's more to come including photos of the RAN 75th Naval Review (when I get around to scanning my photos, to add to the ones already recieved) & other naval subjects. Just another advantage of belonging to a model club ;-). The ship section has HMS Cavalier, Portsmouth tour, USS Cassin Young & various other shots. Shane's Shiplist has been updated with entries from the following magazines: IPMS(UK) & IPMS(Canada)'s Random Thoughts. These are two excellant magazines, which contain contributions from SMMLies in many categories including ship modelling. They are excellent publications & well worth either seeking out or joining a club which exchanges magazines with them. Next up for the Shiplist is the IPMS(USA) magazines - these have several SMMLies prominently featured ;-). Speaking of magazines ;-), APMA 2/99 is now also available for general sale - check the APMA magazine indexes for more on what's inside this and other issues. Oh & all 25 years of backissues are available. And while you're there, visit the APMA message board as well. Regards, Shane Jenkins APMA VP Having FUN making models for the past 25 years http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Model Ship Journal Is Mailing We will be mailing Model Ship Journal on Monday. The printer wanted an extra workday to get the color on the covers "just right". They tossed out a batch of covers because the pressman wanted to adjust the line screen angle. This frees up the job to run on their new 4-color press as well for optimum color fidelity. It's rare that one finds a printer getting excited about a project and they want to put their best foot forward. Why? After seeing the magazine, the guys at Premier Graphics knew they had a winner on their hands. There's still time to get your subscription to Model Ship Journal. We will be mailing the bulk of the journals out on Monday; but all new subscriptions received after that date will be sent out ASAP within a day of receiving the order. I want to assure all new subscribers that they will recieve a copy of Volume 1, Issue Zero to begin their subscriptions. Of course, once these are all gone, they become collector's items with NO possibility of reprints. Shortly, I will advise you of the contents of Volume 1, No. 1; coming out in September. Subscriptions are $30.00 for 1 year (U.S.) & $45.00 for 1 year outside U.S., including Canada. "Foreign" orders are sent surface post unless prior arrangements are made. It is getting extremely costly to send via air these days and we don't want to have to charge subscribers outside the United States an extra surcharge for their subscriptions. We do accept phone orders using MasterCard and Visa. Victor Baca Editor & Publisher MODEL SHIP JOURNAL Within minutes after may last posting, the printer called. I'll be picking up the final copies of Model Ship Journal right away. They worked into the night shift to get them to you on time. We will begin mailing tomorrow (Friday) and will get out as many as possible. You're in for a real treat! Victor Baca -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: ironship@usit.net (Jon Warneke) Subject: New stuff from Commander Series/Iron Shipwrights Hi Everyone, Got a couple of new things from Commander Series. First, our kit of the HMCS Halifax FFH330 is now ready for ordering and shipping. Second, our 1/350 and 1/700 scale dock sections, boarding ramps, and 1/350 rolling stock is also available for ordering and shipping. You can see these kits on our website at http://www.commanderseries.com, and select the Iron Shipwright series for the Halifax, or Miscellaneous for the Dock Sections. Or, you may place your order toll free (from Canada too) at 1-888-476-6744, or 1-888-IRONSHIP. Thanks. Jon Warneke Commander Series Models, Inc. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume