Subject: SMML VOL 948 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:42:26 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Hobby shops 2: Re: DML Sub Kits 3: Resin with training wheels 4: Display Cases 5: Re: 1/72 .50 machine guns for MTBs 6: Re: U.S. Navy Torpedo Boats late 1890's 7: OpSail 2000 correction 8: Re: Damaged Kidd 9: Re: 1:350 scale, waterline or full hull 10: Re: Resin? 11: Re: Resin suggestion 12: Re: Broken bow repair 13: Re: waterline or full hull 14: Re: 1/350 scale, waterline or full hull 15: USS Kidd model damage 16: Historic Ships 17: Fwd: Bob Steinbrunn's USS Kidd damage 18: Re: D'Entrecasteaux 19: Re: U.S. Navy Torpedo Boats late 1890's 20: Re: 1/72 .50 machine guns for MTBs 21: Re: Lino on Pre-dreadnought Ships 22: Treads on Decks 23: D'Entrecasteaux 24: Re: Space constraints 25: Easy Resin 26: Re: USS Mass. model 27: Re: Space Constraints 28: Re: survey 29: OOP Sources 30: 1/72 Machine Guns 31: Re: 1/350 scale, waterline or full hull 32: Lifeboats 33: OPSAIL in Hampton Roads 34: Re: Resin? 35: TB Colors 36: Re: Out of Production kits 37: Re: waterline or full hull 38: Re: Hunley 39: Hopefully the last questions I can think of (for now anyway :-) ) 40: 1/350 scale, waterline or full hull 41: Tired Eyes 42: Re: 1/350 Waterline or Full Hull 43: Re: D'Entrecasteaux 44: KM Colors and Silver Paint 45: Re: 1/72 .50 machine guns for MTBs 46: KGV Crest/RN Ships' crests 47: Space Constraints 48: Re: Spare 1/600 scale Walrus for HMS WARSPITE 49: Re: What's "On the ways"/ building. 50: D'Entrecasteaux 51: Hobby shops in Taiwan 52: Re: 1:200 crew figures 53: Re: 1/72 .50 machine guns for MTBs 54: Re: Graf Zeppelin Air Wing -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: New York lodgings for INR2000 2: SHINANO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Glenn and Kelly Neklason" Subject: Hobby shops Where are all the good hobby shops in the Hampton Roads, VA area? Thanks, Glenn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Donald Bridge Subject: Re: DML Sub Kits Hi The Dragon/DML 1/700 sub sets that I know of were Dallas & Typhoon 7001 Yushio & Delta III 7002 Trafalgar & Oscar 7003 Revenge & Victor III 7007 Ohio & Alpha 700? Benjamin Franklin & Sierra 700? A number (I think it's 4) were also released in Italeri boxes Don Bridge -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: Resin with training wheels Ned: If you are looking for an entry level resin & brass kit - let me suggest that you look at some of the models produced by Iron Shipwright. Their LCI(L) kits, and the PC461 are very good kits that will give you an idea of the processes that you will need to master before you spring for a more expensive kit. These kits run USD40 or so. All of the parts are included -- so you don't need to buy the kit and them assemble several after-market add ons. The brass railings and detail parts are applied in straight runs with minimal bends. Jon Warneke and Ted Paris have an excellent reputation for customer service. If there are missing parts - or you mess up - let them know and they will make things right. That being said -- the ISW kits are notorious for their instructions. Be prepared to collect a second source of reference material. The net is full of them. All in all. I'd recommend an ISW kit as the resin with training wheels. Ed Mansfield, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "J.Pasquill" Subject: Display Cases >> All of this really hit home as I was working on the preliminary plans for how to lay out a 1:700 California & St Louis @ Pearl Harbor diorama. The base is going to have to be at least 1.5-ft x 1.5-ft, and there's no place in our house where I could put something that big. Truth be known, at this very moment, I have no display space period (and I've gotten rid of nearly all my old models). << Except for shows you do not need individual display cases which indeed take up too much space. Think in terms of larger display areas. You can build wall covering display shelves that are glassed in or use store display cases often found cheaply at resellers or trophy cases sold to schools and business which also can be found used at office furniture resellers. Jim -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: PT191@aol.com Subject: Re: 1/72 .50 machine guns for MTBs Felix: What you might want to do is; write to a model company that makes a 1:72 scale WWII US bomber, torpedo bomber and tell them you are building one of their plane models and ask them to send you some replacements, and ask them to send extras, ... just in case you break them. That was what I did when my friend was building a 1:48 scale Higgins PT boat out of wood from Al Ross' plans. They look like the guns on the PT boat! T. Garth Connelly Hi, Ummm, isn't this a tad dishonest - it could well ruin it for everyone else. FWIW, I would not advocate any such action. I would suggest you follow John Snyder's & other's suggestion (further down) & order some samples from Aeroclub, Rosemount, etc. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: U.S. Navy Torpedo Boats late 1890's >> Hi, just need some colour information on the torpedo boats used by the U.S. navy in the late 1890's just prior to war in 1898. The usual scheme for such vessels and the early (torpedo boat) destroyers that you see, say from 1900 to 1914, is overall black. I need info on the colours of all surfaces including boot-topping (if any). << You seem to be mixing up torpedo boats and torpedo boat destroyers. I did some torpedo boats c. early 1900's and every photo I found looked overall gray. I did find one of Ericson (TB2) taken in 1897 that shows her in what looks like the white hull, buff from deck up, paint scheme. U.S.Destroyers by Louis Davison states "Untill 1906 hulls were white, decks gray, superstructure and armament beige, then hulls light gray, decks dark gray. Hope that helps, Bob Santos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Kenneth Perry Subject: OpSail 2000 correction Well, daylight has arrived and it has been found out that it was a barge that was damaged and not the Sagres II, good news. They didn't mention the other smaller vessel supposedly involved. They have decided to move the Sagres II over to the base as a safety precaution. By the way, does anyone make a set of modern, 1980's-1990's, US Navy paint set? Thanks. Ken -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: BECJPARKER@aol.com Subject: Re: Damaged Kidd I was in Newport News on Sat and the Kidd was on display. Apparently Mr. Steinburn had been flown out a coulpe of days early to repair the damage prior to the presentations last week. It's a great model as are all the models that were on display. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: Re: 1:350 scale, waterline or full hull I haven't built any 1:350's, but I am collecting a number (and plan to buy a few others). That said, I prefer full hull. This is the largest scale that is practical for me (both size and price-wise) and appears to be great for adding details that would be hard to do on 1:700 kits. If I'm going to the trouble of doing this, I prefer to have the whole ship. I also like the notion of building the larger kits along the lines of constructor's models (clean, no weathering, etc). I'm sorta weird that way, but that's another reason for my preference for full hulls (as you don't see too many wl constructor's models). I prefer to leave the weathering and other nitty gritty realism qualities to my 1:700 kits (that are almost never available in full hull, and scream for underway/in port dioramas.) Go Navy! _|_o_|_ Derek "Tiger" (/\)akefield /---(.](o)[.)---\ iscandar@chatter.com o oo O oo o http://www.iscandar-66.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: Re: Resin? Ned, Iron Shipwrights has a 1:350 Elco PT, SC110, and PC-461, all of which are great starter resin kits that won't bust your budget. I have the PT and the SC. It doesn't appear one could find something simpler than the PT as far as surface ships go. The SC has a few more parts, but looks to be a fairly straight build. JAG has a 1:350 Ashville cl PG is another possibility if you want something a bit more modern. There are reviews of the PT, SC, PC, and PG at the Warship site. Go Navy! _|_o_|_ Derek "Tiger" (/\)akefield /---(.](o)[.)---\ iscandar@chatter.com o oo O oo o http://www.iscandar-66.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Resin suggestion >> I'd like something accurate but fairly simple in construction. I'm open to (and asking for) suggestions and recommendations. << JAG Collective makes a USS Asheville kit in 1/350 scale for $38.00 plus S&H. It's not a big kit, but it's simple to construct and would make a nice starter kit. Since it's in 1/350 scale, it will be much easier to work with small parts and photo etch than the 1/700 scale kits currently available. My 2 cents worth. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Broken bow repair >> I recall reading an FSM article by Rusty about a similar (bow) problem he had on a resin model, but I can't seem to find it. I think he used CA to build up a new bow tip and sanded it down, but I could be mistaken. << The article in the latest issue of FSM. About repairing the bow. Contact Jon or Ted at IS and ask them if they have an old hull that didn't cast properly and have them cut the bow off and send it to you. If they don't have one available, ask (very nicely, with your lower lip pouted out and a tear rolling down your cheek) if they could make a small cast of just the bow section and send it to you. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. But it won't hurt to ask. Be prepared to pay a small fee for the RTV and resin they may use to accommodate your request. Give it a try. What do have to lose? Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: waterline or full hull >> I want to take an unscientific survey. For the builders of 1/350 scale ships, which do you prefer full hull or water line kits? Just curious. << On the fence here. For 1/700 I prefer waterline exclusively. For 1/350 I like to have my options left open. So I prefer a waterline hull with a separate lower hull option. Yeah, I know they're harder to match up, but it beats the heck out of cutting those solid hulls on a table saw. It's nice to have the option as to whether you want to pay for that extra resin or not. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Poore, Devin" Subject: Re: 1/350 scale, waterline or full hull I prefer waterline, with the water. Ships belong in the water and look more "real" to me that way. Devin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: SJantscher@aol.com Subject: USS Kidd model damage Hi All, I received this e-mail from Bob today, in which he tells of the damage done to his award winning USS Kidd model.Given all thats happened, I'm sure we're all glad that the damage wasn't worse...but still. Steve Jantscher >> Steve: Yes, it's true. The judges handled the model with extreme care during uncasing and for the several photography sessions to make the museum's video and CD ROM presentations of "The Art of the Ship Modeler". It was a curatorial assistant who was untrained in uncasing and who didn't realize the extreme fragility and delicateness of a model who lifted the case above the hull and then swept it laterally without it clearing the tall foremast with all it's radars, aerials, antennas, and rigging. All of it came down. The museum paid to fly me down on Thursday 16 Jun 00 so that I could attempt repairs. Actually, they paid all of my expenses: airfare, meals, hotel, rental car, etc., plus will be making a financial restitution via their insurance. By working around the clock I was able to repair it to where even one of the judges, wearing glasses, could not tell the difference. If he were to put on an Optivisor he might see some evidence, but for the purposes of the exhibition all is now well. The museum went far out of their way to make it right for me. Best, Bob Steinbrunn << -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Edward Brown" Subject: Historic Ships It good news that the US has reclaimed one of its historic ships - USS Orleck (DD886). I wish we in the UK were as successful in preserving warships of note. However the following would suggest that we are trying. In 1993 Alan Woodliffe, a UK businessman and Sudanese history enthusiast hired a boat to explore the Nile. Just north of Khartoum he spotted a somewhat battered vessel beached on the river bank. The vessel's most recent use has been to serve as a club house for the Blue Nile Sailing Club. Her real role was a Victorian Nile gunboat - part of the flotilla used in the campaign to recapture of Khartoum. She is the Melik, who was commanded by Major "Monkey" Gordon RM (Royal marines) was a nephew of the General Gordon. General Gordon had commanded in the 10 month siege of Khartoum, which ended in his murder and mutilation. This act resulted in a campaign of vengeance led by Lord Kitchener culminating with the defeat of the Mardi and the Dervishes at the Battle of Omdurman. Two other gunboats had interesting commanders who went on to fight as admirals at Jutland. David Beatty, commander of the Battle Cruiser Squadron, and Horace Hood who perished when his flagship, HMS Invincible, blew up. On the night before the battle of Omdurman Melik and other gunboats were tasked, successfully, to flash their powerful searchlights into the Dervishes to prevent a night attack. In the battle the following day Melik and Sultan, another gunboat, provided artillery and machine gun support to the Camel Corp with devastating effect. I believe this was the first major battle where the machine gun was used. Two days later Melik had the honour of transporting Kitchener to the memorial service for General Gordon in the ruins of the Governor General's Palace. Following the successful campaign the river gunboats lived out the rest of their lives in the service of the Egyptian government and later the Defence Force of Sudan. Melik displaced 134 tons with dimensions of 145ft x 24ft x 2ft. She had twin screw reciprocating steam m,achinery with one boiler. Armament consisted of 2 x12 pdrs guns, 2 x 5inch howitzers & .303 maxim machine guns. Her top speed was 12 knots and she had a crew of 30. Negotiations were opened with the Sudanese Government to ensure that she was looked after with the aim of bringing her back to UK. Unfortunately the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were attacked and the US retaliated with a Tomahawk attack on the al-Shifa pharmaceutical factory in the capital of Sudan in August 1998. Not surprisingly repatriating an "imperialist" gunboat was not then high on the Sudanese wish list. Apparently the Melik Society (secretary Anthony Harvey -202 Lambeth Road, London SE1 7JW tel (UK) 20 7 401 2537) now believe that the time is right to reopen the matter. The object is to return the Melik to UK to be moored at an appropriate location on the Thames. Edward -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Fwd: Bob Steinbrunn's USS Kidd damage Shane, More on this saga, this time from Bob himself. John >> From: BSteinIPMS@aol.com Subject: Re: Bob Steinbrunn's USS Kidd damage >> An earlier message to the list indicated that Bob's award winning USS Kidd had been severely damaged while the case was being removed so that photos of the model could be taken at the Mariners' Museum. I have just heard from Joe McCleary, one of the judges of the competition there that the Kidd was in it's place of honor at a reception held Friday night for those who submitted models to the competition, and that no damage was apparent. Bob was there and was "one happy guy" according to Joe. So either the report was wrong, or Bob managed to repair any damage that may have occurred. Once again, congratulations on your hat trick, Bob! Vince McCullough NRG Webmaster << Vince: Thanks for the kind words, I very much appreciate them. And yes, it's true, the model did receive substantial damage two weeks ago. I haven't made any Internet comments regarding this previously since the Mariners' Museum and I were in the process of sorting things out and it would have been inappropriate to make public any comments I might have. It was also a good idea to allow time for emotions to subside. The model was uncased several times by the judges and other experts during the judging and the making of the museum's video and CD ROM presentation of "The Art of the Ship Modeler". This was done with extreme care by the three judges, Joe McCleary, Rob Napier, and Dana Wegner. All members of the NRG, by the way, for those unfamiliar with their names. When the exhibition was being set up, one of the curatorial assistants was uncasing the model for placement in the gallery. She lifted the model's case vertically, clearing the hull, then swept it laterally without seeing the foremast with all of its radars, aerials, antennas, blocks, flags, and signal halyards. All of this came down. Many parts went ballistic. She then went into catatonic shock, I was told. The museum has been extremely proactive in this distressing situation. First of all, I know this damage was not what anyone there wanted. It was the first time a model has been damaged in the 25 years the competition has been held. Joe McCleary was in the room at the time, told everyone not to move, and then got down on his hands and knees with his jeweler's loupe and searched for parts on the floor. (Oh, to have been there to see this, and to have had a camera.....) (I can laugh now, you see.) He found many of the parts which eased my job considerably. Patty Andresen, the Collections Coordinator, also found some parts and was very helpful in handling the administrative end of things. Jeanne Willoz-Egnor, the Collections Manager, had the unenviable task of calling me on the phone to inform me of the situation. She was distressed in the extreme, and said the young lady who caused the damage was devastated and cried for days. Jeanne also sent me four jpeg photos of the model so that I might assess the level of damage for myself. The museum paid to fly Rob Napier down from Newburyport, Massachusetts, to assess the damage and to put it into financial terms for the museum's insurance carrier. Rob was kind enough to call me with his professional opinion regarding damage and repairs, and was a major influence on my deciding to try to repair and restore the model. By studying the photographs in my "builder's book" which I had submitted with the model, Rob was able to determine that several parts were still missing. By searching on the floor he was able to find several more. The museum paid all of my expenses to travel from Minneapolis to Newport News (airline, hotel, rental car, meals, supplies, etc.) to repair the model. I flew down Thursday 15 June 00 with a suitcase full of tools, supplies, airbrush, compressor, plans, photos, etc, had the model back in the hotel by 3:00 pm, and worked about 22 hours around the clock to repair and restore it. The museum lent me a quartz halogen light and other supplies, and they also offered their museum facilities to me if I should choose to work in their shop. They'd even keep a security officer there all night with me if I wanted to work there. Jack Bobbit, a noted modeler from the area and also a member of the NRG, called me before I left Minneapolis and graciously offered me the full use of his shop and his home if I wanted to work there. Truly, the people in the NRG are a marvelous bunch and I was very touched by the concern displayed by the gentlemen mentioned above. I was able to finish the repairs and have the model back in the museum seven minutes before the cocktail reception began, this signal event heralding the opening of the exhibition. Due to extreme time constraints I was not able to repair the model back to where it had been before the accident, but I'd guess it's about 99% there. I was told that even with glasses on the knowledgable observer could not see the repairs. With a magnifying hood on, one of the judges might be able to detect some evidence of repair, but for the purposes of the exhibition the model is as it was before. The concern shown by the museum was everything I could have wished, the help given by fellow NRG members was touching and gratifying, and I wouldn't hesitate to enter the Ship Model Competition and Exhibition 2005 at the very excellent Mariners' Museum in Newport News, Virginia. To have seen the young lady who caused the damage dance with joy when I brought it back repaired, to have heard her say "Oh, he fixed it, he FIXED IT!", almost brought a tear to my eye and showed me, more than anything, that this entire event was not her first choice. The lesson I learned was, if you build a model of a United States Navy warship, then perhaps you should expect her to sail in Harm's way.......... And yes, of course I was "one happy guy": I was given a dozen free tickets to the cash bar. A little tired of ship models at this point but expecting to recover, I remain, Bob Steinbrunn Minneapolis Member, Nautical Research Guild Louisiana Naval War Memorial - USS Kidd, DD 661 << -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: CBNJBB62@aol.com Subject: Re: D'Entrecasteaux Dear Shane: Concerning the D'Entrecasteaux armored cruiser I have this information about it. The ship was launched in 1896 and served on till 1922 . Then she was lent to Belgium in 1923 and served as hulk until 1926 when she was returned. Sold to Poland for scrapmetal in 1927 and acquired by the Polish Navy in 1930 finally scrapped in 1942 by the Germans. Craig Bennett -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: CBNJBB62@aol.com Subject: Re: U.S. Navy Torpedo Boats late 1890's Hi Pete Concerning the the USN 1890s Torpedo boats all I can say is try contacting the USS Olympia museum on the Internet after she is of the same period and they do give quite attention to the Spanish American War. Craig Bennett -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: 1/72 .50 machine guns for MTBs Aeroclub makes superb 1/72 .50s in white metal. Here in California you can find them at Brookhurst Hobbies. If you want to try Aeroclub directly, their address is: 5 Silverwood Avenue Ravenshead Nottingham NG15 98U, UK Note to Caroline at WEM: you might want to add these to your regular stock. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys http://www.shipcamouflage.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: Lino on Pre-dreadnought Ships Dave, What do you do--sit around dreaming up arcane questions?? OK, I know it's the nature of this hobby... Unfortunately, this is one answere that wasn't covered in Bonnie's research. I suspect that it was in naval use before the turn of the century, and probably first by the RN. However, someone is going to have to do some primary research to nail this one down. I doubt I'll have time when I'm in the UK in August, but I'll put it down as something to do when I'm over there with the time...which WILL be happening! The non-skid surfaces you mention might have been something as simple as what the USN was still doing in WW2: a coat of varnish with sand sprinkled into it while still wet, the excess brushed away when dry, and topped off with two coats of paint. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys http://www.shipcamouflage.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com Subject: Treads on Decks Hi All, I was wondering if anyone has had any luck in duplicating the tread patterns (similar to the bows and sterns of IJN waterline models) in sheet plastic. I am building a 1/250th scale minesweeper that has this pattern on the decking in the AA gun sponsons. I was wondering if Plastruct or Evergreen puts out a product that simulates this. Any help is appreciated. John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: "larsenal" Subject: D'Entrecasteaux Hello! The cruiser you are speaking about was a 8,000 T ship named after the Chevalier D'Entrecasteaux, a French sailor who died when he was searching after another famous French sailor, La Pérouse. So there is no English translation for the name as it is a family name. The cruiser was built for far East service where she stood from 1898 to 1910. During WWI she saw service in the Mediteranean theater and became and instruction ship after WWI. She was then sold to Belgium in 1922, then to Poland in 1927 where she ended her career under the name of Baltyk. Best regards, Jacques Druel L'Arsenal -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: Dave Judy Subject: Re: Space constraints Derek, I was in the same hole, with about 16 1/350 scale models (incl. Missouri & Enterprise & Hood) But I found two lighted display cases approx. 7' x 2' x 3' at a used retail store furniture warhouse, with a little cleaning and paint they worked great. They were $200 apiece but well worth it! (price of a couple of resin kits!) You might be surprised at what you may find! Dave Judy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Easy Resin >> I'm looking for suggestions - call it "resin with training wheels" if you will. I'd like to take a crack at a resin ship, but would rather not mortgage the house on what will, after all, be an experiment. I'd like something accurate but fairly simple in construction. I'm open to (and asking for) suggestions and recommendations. << I think the Commander Series Models 1/350 PC-461 class has been mentioned before as an ideal way to get acquainted with resin. Probably can be had for under $25. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: USS Mass. model >> Even though I just saw a few of the pictures of the event, I'm hoping if anyone out there who took more detailed, close up pictures of the models, which were in the model department only for the SMMLcon event. I saw a 1/350 scale model of the USS MASSACHUSETTS in the background of one of these pictures, which I'd really love to get a few detailed close-up pictures If you have any other pictures taken at the event, please e-mail << If you drive down to Battleship Cove, at Fall River, You will see this big grey thing there (even bigger than the grey thing at Quincy!) If you go on board and go to the wardroom area aft of the refreshment area you will find the original model. Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Space Constraints >> I'm curious how some of you have tackled this problem. The only thing I can think of is to mothball all my 1:350's and only collect/build 1:700 (the smallest I'm interested in...no offense to you 1:1250 buffs, but << Leave em unbuilt in the kit closet; you'd be amazed at how many kits will fit in there Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: survey >> I want to take an unscientific survey. For the builders of 1/350 scale ships, which do you prefer full hull or water line kits? Just curious. << Full hull Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: OOP Sources >> Does any one know of a source for some of the old DML (I think) 1/700 modern submarine kits, I've already got the typhoon/Dallas, Oscar/Trafalgar and Ohio/alfa and I'd like to see if I could find any of the others (or even find out what all they made). << Zachary, These days www.eBay.com seems to be one of the best sources, albeit sometimes the prices get a little crazy. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: 1/72 Machine Guns Felix asked - >> Building Revell's Vosper MTB & PT-109. (Also an Airfix E-boat, but that is another story) The problem being the .50 machine guns supplied in both kits are rather crude. I have been unable to find aftermarket upgrades. << There are some made by aftermarket suppliers of aircraft parts (such as AeroMaster???). Check the ads in Fine Scale Modeler, such as Rosemont Hobby in Pennsylvania. The Roco Minitanks NATO machine gun set is nominally 1/87th (HO) scale, but the .50cal guns in that look closer to 1/72 or 1/76. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31) From: "feed" Subject: Re: 1/350 scale, waterline or full hull >> I want to take an unscientific survey. For the builders of 1/350 scale ships, which do you prefer full hull or water line kits? Just curious. << FULL HULL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 32) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Lifeboats >> Ive been working on a 1/200 paper model of the Titanic for the past few years. I was wondering if anyone knows of a place where I can get the following in resin or plastic: Lifeboats The correct Welin davits Passengers and crew to populate the decks << For lifeboats and davits, try the Dromedary Ship Model Center, 6324 Belton, El Paso, TX 79912. Also check with Blue Jacket Shipcrafters (www.bluejacketinc.com) and Model Expo; they deal in odd scale ship parts. Try www.walthers.com for Preiser figures in 1/192nd scale (they only make a few, I think). Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 33) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: OPSAIL in Hampton Roads Kenneth Perry asked - >> Anyone make it to the OpSail 2000 this week in Norfolk, VA? I just got back with two days left of the festival, no more time off. << Yeah, we got to see the ships arrive on Friday. NASSAU was the reviewing platform, and SAN JACINTO and HAMPTON were the other Navy vessels that took part in welcoming the tall ships. The view from near the carrier piers (degaussing station?) wasn't bad at all, and we stayed for two hours until it got too hot. Had the duty over the weekend; missed out on the ship visits and fireworks... Next port they visit I believe will be Baltimore, MD. Mike Alexandria, VA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 34) From: Mike Settle Subject: Re: Resin? >> I'm looking for suggestions - call it "resin with training wheels" if you will. I'd like to take a crack at a resin ship, but would rather not mortgage the house on what will, after all, be an experiment. I'd like something accurate but fairly simple in construction. I'm open to (and asking for) suggestions and recommendations. << The PC-461 Class Patrol Craft sub chaser in 1/350 scale by Iron Shipwright was recommended to me by Jon Warneke of the same company as an excellent beginner's model in resin. This kit is currently $25.00 on Iron Shipwright's web page. It includes a small fret of photo-etch, too. If you don't mind spending a little more money, their USS Roper, APD-20, is $75.00. It should be a good beginner's kit also according to Jon. I bought the PC-461 last year on Jon's recommendation, but have yet to build it. Mike Settle I am not agent #1908 of the non-existent Lumber Cartel (tinlc)tm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 35) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: TB Colors >> Hi, just need some colour information on the torpedo boats used by the U.S. navy in the late 1890's just prior to war in 1898. The usual scheme for such vessels and the early (torpedo boat) destroyers that you see, say from 1900 to 1914, is overall black. I need info on the colours of all surfaces including boot-topping (if any). << Peter - Check out the awesome scratchbuilt 1/96th scale USS WINSLOW by Bob Santos in the Warship model gallery. Some people have mentioned dark gray, medium gray, black, olive drab, and even bottle green for hull colors on different boats at different times! Don't believe they had boot topping... >> Also, for ships' boats up to 1898 for U.S. naval vessels; from the B & W photos they appear to have white undersides, but what is the darker trim colour around the tops of the sides/seating areas?? << Probably natural wood. Mike Alexandria, VA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 36) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Out of Production kits >> Does any one know of a source for some of the old DML (I think) 1/700 modern submarine kits, I've already got the typhoon/Dallas, Oscar/Trafalgar and Ohio/alfa and I'd like to see if I could find any of the others (or even find out what all they made). Thanks for any help << I believe they are now back in production, in all their inaccurate glory. Hobbyweb lists four as being available at present. Caution: These kits have serious accuracy flaws!! (for those of you who have already sat through my DML rants, please proceed to the next post-Thank you!). The Dallas (nor any other LA class sub) does NOT have the vertical end plates on her stern planes. The prop is way off (use Rusty's 1:700 photoetch version- note- they turn clockwise as viewed from the rear). The post like protrusions behind the sail do not exist. The Typhoon stern is totally wrong, there is no "beaver tail" center stern plane on Typhoons (which is not, BTW, their correct Russian designation...) and on and on....... You want great 1:700 subs? Get Ralph Ratcliffe's resin submarines. Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 37) From: RhinoBones@aol.com Subject: Re: waterline or full hull >> I want to take an unscientific survey. For the builders of 1/350 scale ships, which do you prefer full hull or water line kits? Just curious. << Full hull . . . in any scale. Regards, RhinoBones -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 38) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Hunley >> Note: The Pacific Monograph 1/96 Hunley is being held back for several weeks to incorporate changes as new details emerge. The socket for the spar and the additional fins are most interesting! << Daily updates on the Hunley are being posted over on the SubCommittee website by Tim Smalley on the General Message Board. The SubCommittee's new URL is: http://www.subcommittee.com/ BTW, the Hunley is turning up to have many features that are very different from the "current working myths" that were used for movies and books. Biggest surprise - the torpedo spar was hinged and mounted to the bottom of the submarine-not the top as so often depicted. The sub also had what appear to be trim tabs. The operation to raise the Hunley is proceeding with a July or sooner date for the lift. Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 39) From: "John Sheridan" Subject: Hopefully the last questions I can think of (for now anyway :-) ) >> I saw a 1/350 scale model of the USS MASSACHUSETTS in the background of one of these pictures, which I'd really love to get a few detailed close-up pictures If you have any other pictures taken at the event, please e-mail me a copy of what ever it is you have; or if you don't have any pics you can e-mail me, would you happen to know of any web site where I can see any additional pictures of the show-which aren't already up on the SMMLcon web-site page. << Courtney, If you look real hard, you will notice that the model of the USS Massachusetts is the same model that is on the WARSHIP ( http://warship.simplenet.com/gallery.htm ) website. There are a few good close-ups of the model there. Also, if you ask real nice, I'll take the model out of the case and let you photograph it; since it is mine after all and I know where the keys to the case are hiding........ John Sheridan www.shipcamouflage.com I am not Unit# 631 of the Lumber Cartel (tinlc) If there were a Lumber Cartel, the last place on earth I would look for it would be: http://come.to/the.lumber.cartel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 40) From: "John Sheridan" Subject: 1/350 scale, waterline or full hull >> I want to take an unscientific survey. For the builders of 1/350 scale ships, which do you prefer full hull or water line kits? Just curious. << I prefer full hull kits in 1/350th scale. John Sheridan www.shipcamouflage.com I am not Unit# 631 of the Lumber Cartel (tinlc) If there were a Lumber Cartel, the last place on earth I would look for it would be: http://come.to/the.lumber.cartel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 41) From: GrafSpee34@aol.com Subject: Tired Eyes To avoid eyestrain I strongly recommend working by a window. Glance out the window often, at near and distant objects. This keeps your eyes moving between various focal points and prevents strain. Seriously, this is just as important as adequate lighting and ventilation. I'm no optomitrist, but I've been building models 30 years and still have 20-20 vision. Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 42) From: ECammeron@aol.com Subject: Re: 1/350 Waterline or Full Hull Waterline. Eugene -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 43) From: Rick Heinbaugh Subject: Re: D'Entrecasteaux >> I'm about to order the 1896 French Armored Cruiser D'Entrecasteaux and thought I would first ask the SMML collective whether anyone knows the history of the ship or, just as importantly, the English translation of the name? There aren't many kits available from the 1890's era, therefore, the D'Entrecasteaux will become a personal center piece. << Antoine de Bruni, Chevalier d'Entrecasteaux was a French explorer who traveled the South Pacific in the 1790s. Rick -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 44) From: "Cypryan Klish" Subject: KM Colors and Silver Paint The two-tone grey scheme was in fact Color scheme no 9, also known as "1896 Grey" and was used primarily for ships in home waters. The colors were grey from the waterline to the main deck and light grey for everything above. It was in use from inception through the second World War and can be seen in many ship photos of both the Imperial High Seas Fleet and the Kriegsmarine. Gneisenau did have a flat horizontal silver-grey funnel cap in 1938 while Scharnhorst carried a black one. After 1939, both had angled caps, described as a "matt -aluminum-bronze" (whatever that is) The excellent "German Warships 1815-1945," by Groner, Jung, and Maass is the source of my information. pages X-XI detail the color schemes; page 31 describes the Scharnhorst class features. Hope this helps. Kip -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 45) From: klmok@home.com Subject: Re: 1/72 .50 machine guns for MTBs If you are not too picky about exact scale the 1:76 Airfix 40 mm Bofors (and tractor) provides a good upgrade for the PT 109 stern armanent. The kit's 20mm cannon can then be moved to the bow position. Take it from there. Kelvin Mok -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 46) From: Frank Allen Subject: KGV Crest/RN Ships' crests Hi All, Does anyone have a drawing (or a Tamiya 1/350 box illustration) of the King George V's crest they could scan? We have just finished new "3D" crests for Hood (of course), Prince of Wales, Renown, Repulse and ugh! Bismarck. We are working on Rodney right now and would also like to do King George V. The drawing would be used solely for reference purposes. The crests are used on the HMS Hood Association's "Battle Cruiser Hood" web site on photos and information pieces on said vessels. Of course, I would gladly give you a copy of the KGV crest when it is complete. If you do have a copy of the KGV's crest, please contact me off line. Also, if anyone is interested in using the crests (all except Hood. Cannot provide it as it is our official logo) on their own web sites, or for model bases (i.e., shrink them down and print them with a colour laser printer...the results are quite good), please let me know. I can provide them free of charge...just be sure to give us the credit for the artwork. Thanks Frank Allen http://www.hmshood.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 47) From: "William Oreto" Subject: Space Constraints I sympathize with Derek. I started my collection with 1/350 scale and had to shift over to 1/700 for lack of space. I converted an entertainment center into a display case. The display case is one of the most important pieces of furniture in the apartment, that and the landmines buried around the display case. Unlike our nuclear weapons research facilities not just anybody can approach my display case. I went vertical, up the wall, (so to speak) instead of across it to gain more space. Anyway, even with the display case I suffer casualties from movement, vibration and age. The 1/700 scale models are a dream to move. The 1/350 scale are not, even when packed with the greatest of care. My latest casualty was my Starship Enterprise model which was taken out its display case for repair. My mother in law thought it was a pair "rabbit ear antennas for a television set" Damn those warp engines. Crunch! What was that! Yes, a display case is good, armed guards are better. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 48) From: "Judy Graham" Subject: Re: Spare 1/600 scale Walrus for HMS WARSPITE Chris, as it happens, I have a number of Airfix 1/600 scale kits stockpiled,which will now probably never get built, as I seem to be concentrating on the 1/700 and 1/350 scales. I think I can part with at least one "Walrus", as long as it goes to a good home. Drop me a line, and we can discuss the "terms". Cheers, Chris Preston. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 49 From: "Judy Graham" Subject: Re: What's "On the ways"/ building. Currently, I'm working on a 1/96th scale USS ARIZONA, for R/C, and based on a Scale Shipyard Hull, (also known as "the Beast", due to it's size, and weight). With all the talk recently, on FLower Class Corvettes, and the recent release of a book by WR Press on the same subject, and pending releases on resin update sets, I'm tempted to dust off my original kit of the SNOWBERRY, and carry on. Planned projects are all of "Battleship Row" in either 1/700 or 1/350. Recently, I've completed a 'Tom's Modelworks' kit of the USS WEST VIRGINIA for a former crew member, and a Tamiya 1/48th Mitsubishi A6M5c Zero. (I know it's an aircraft, but it is a "naval aircraft" all the same!), and also working on a Promodeler 1/48th SB2C-4, still a "naval aircraft"! This doesn't include all the other models stock-piled away for a rainy day. Happy Modeling. Chris Preston -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 50) From: "Grzegorz Walinski" Subject: D'Entrecasteaux Dear RhinoBones D'Entrecasteaux is a proper name - a family name of an emminent French naval commander - so it cannot be translated. The cruiser was already obsolete during the I World War so she did not have a brilliant career. After the war she was bought by the newly created Polish navy, renamed Baltyk (Baltic) and used as a training ship and then as floating barracks. She sunk early September 1939 - if I recall it well she was sank by German Luftwaffe the 3rd September. Yours Grzegorz Waliñski -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 51) From: "Bonini commerciale" Subject: Hobby shops in Taiwan Hi Duane, The best address I could find out in Taipei : Wan Nien Business Center - 70, Hsi-Ning S.Road, Taipei This is a rather old-style shopping center, near Central Train Station ; go to the 4th floor...you will be surprised ! Almost the whole floor is occupied by very small shops, completely full of kits : lots of planes, but also many, many ships ; I saw lots of out-of -production Renwal and Lindberg kits, as well as the newest kits from Trumpeter and other Chinese companies (for ex., I bought the Trumpeter "Romeo" here, about 1 year ago). Furthermore, some Skywave 1/700 kits at almost half the price ! It will take at least 2-3 hours for visiting all the small shops of this floor but, believe me, it is really worth the effort ! Best greetings from the mountains of Northern Italy, Giusto Gallas mailto:bonini.com@tin.it mailto:gallas@novanet.it -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 52) From: Minadmiral@aol.com Subject: Re: 1:200 crew figures Hi; There are a number of companies that make wargame figures in 1:200 or 10mm. These include WWII troops. I`m sure that you could modify some of these to get crew and civilians for your model. Look here in the manufacturer`s directory: http://theminiaturespage.com By the way, there are a number of other scales available for crew figures. 1:300, 15mm, 20mm, and 25mm. And more. Chuck Duggie WoodenWalls Listmeister Naval wargamer, amateur naval historian, and ship modeler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 53) From: DortaB@aol.com Subject: Re: 1/72 .50 machine guns for MTBs For Felix and the 1/72 MTB guns; Felix, I've done the Revell 1/72 "PT-109" for paeople and have 1 here for myself. Believe it of not, for me the simplest .50 redo was to take the guns from an old Revell 1/72 B-24 kit, either the old -24D or the quasi Navy PB4Y. Its mostly a terrible kit, but the guns are not bad, and for the price I didn'y mind bashing the whole kit just for the guns. Besides, you can always turn the aircraft into a formation plane, with one of those wild paint jobs. Thats what I did. HTH George Cost Tampa -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 54) From: "Peter K. H. Mispelkamp" Subject: Re: Graf Zeppelin Air Wing Hello again: Current standings are: Bf 109T Ju 87C Fi 167 Me: 4 3 3 Bob O'Conner 2 2 2 Doug Brown 2 2 2 Ned Barnett 3 3 3 Bill Colby 3 3 3 Jeff Healy 1? 1? 1? David R. Wells 1 1 1 Chris Neel 2 2 2 Stuart Batchelor 3 3 3 Totals: 21 20 20 Well guys, we did it! I would like all of you to confirm these amounts by email and to give me your mailing addresses as well. I will be making a second posting to accommodate requests for "guess-estimates" of the cost per bag and quantities per bag of each of these planes later tonight - circumstances permitting (i.e. wife and 8 month old son). I will be send WEM another email asking for official pricing details as well. Some of you have asked for some more details as what we can expect to pay per bag for our GZ airgroup. For price comparisons, here is some info on exsting WEM aircraft that are similiar to the ones we want. AS7096 JU 87D 3 planes for 4.66 US Each bag AS7122 Me 109F 5 planes for 4.66 US Each bag AS7013 Swordfish 3 planes for 4.66 US Each bag. I expect that the 109T may have 4 per bag, the Ju 87C 2/3, and the Fi 167 2/3. I chose the Swordfish because it is very similiar to the Fi 167 in appearance. Obviously, I cannot speak for WEM as to the final price or the cost of shipping. Hope this helps. Sincerely Peter K. H. Mispelkamp -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Darren Scannell Subject: New York lodgings for INR2000 Hey all you New Yorkers, I have been fighting with the idea of coming down to see the ships during the first week of July, and now I seem have the time, but little cash! I can get a ride down and share a motel room for a couple of days, but in order to be there for the ships open house days, I need a kind soul to lend me a bed for a couple of nights close to some public transit. (possibly July 6-9) Any takers? Pretty please? Send me note off list if you can help out. Thanks! Darren Scannell Bowmanville, Ont. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Kerry L. Jang" Subject: SHINANO Wyatt, I have a NICHIMO 1:300 SHINANO kit I am willing to let go. Please contact me off list. I tried to contact you off-list, but your e-mail address was returned as undeliverable. Cheers, Dr. Kerry Jang -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume