Subject: SMML VOL 952 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 02:01:55 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Donald NcNarry 2: Re: Order of Battle 3: LCS(L) models 4: Traplet Publications Plans Service 5: Japanese Tread Plate 6: Re: INR and Parking 7: Re: Fletcher Camo and Radar 8: Aussie Ship names 9: Paint chips 10: Re: Fletcher Camouflage and Radar 11: Traplet Publications Plans Service 12: Re: Vacation time again?? 13: Traplet Publications 14: Parking at and around the INR 15: 2cm FlaK on U-boote 16: Re: Is Resin The Best Available? 17: LCAC 18: Re: 50 Cal machine guns 19: Re: Intrepid parking 20: Re: Is Resin The Best Available? 21: Revell Alabama v. Kearsarge 22: U.S.S. Constitution 23: Re: Hobby Shops in Hampton Roads 24: Re: FLETCHER Camo and radar 25: Indian naval kits 26: SBB Y@m@to/Argo colors 27: 1:720 Revell Enterprise 28: anchor chain 29: The Sea Blue Blues 30: Revell's Royal Sovereign -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Ship review list updated 2: Catalog 3: Ships in Scale -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: HGYL@aol.com Subject: Re: Donald NcNarry Gary Kingzett enquired about Donald McNarry. Last year I bought directly from him the last copy he had of his most recent book "Royal Yachts in Miniature" which he privately published in 1996. He was kind enough to inscribe and autograph the book and the inscription is dated 15th October 1999. I have no reason to believe that his health has deteriorated subsequently. "Shipbuilding in Miniature" was first published by Percival Marshall in 1955 and a second edition was published by Conway Maritime Press in 1982 (and I think reprinted by them again some years later). I have seen the book offered for sale by various used and antiquarian book sellers. Try Alibris or the like. Regards Harold Lincoln -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Donald P Morgan Subject: Re: Order of Battle For those who might be interested.....Some weeks back, in quest of info on the German Navy's order of battle, I finally E-mailed the British Imperial War Museum. They really came through!!! I offer the following E-mail address for anyone in search of information: mail@iwm.org.uk This is a general address. There are specific addresses for art, documents, exhibits, film, photographs, printed books, sound collections and firearms. They do accept E-mail inquiries and will make copies for a fee. Try them if you have a need. Don Morgan San Antonio. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Luke Andersen" Subject: LCS(L) models an earlier response to the question, "Is there a model of the LCS(L)?" came back with yes, and stated that it was a 1/350 scale model. How big is 1/350? I found a picture of the model and it was being compared to a U.S penny! The model looks about three inches long. Does that sound right? Are there any larger scale models out there? I was looking for something in the 1 to 3 foot range. thanks Luke Andersen -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "John Rule" Subject: Traplet Publications Plans Service >> Could you please furnish an address for these folks? << Below is their website which lists all their drawings, among other things. http://www.traplet.co.uk/ John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Kerry L. Jang" Subject: Japanese Tread Plate I dug up my old Nichimo YAMATO kit last night and I found a bunch of fittings I got from Japan years ago and forgot about it. I beleive they are FUJI ART. One of the pieces I have is a relief etched brass sheet of Japanese tread plate in 1:200 scale. It is very finely done. Maybe one of our etchers can do a set of treadplate like this in the popular scales. HINT HINT HINT!!!!! Until then, I guess I will make an RTV mould out of what I have and cast thin sheets of it for use on the YAMATO. Kerry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: MGross1352@aol.com Subject: Re: INR and Parking As a native New York City resident who voted with his feet (I moved to New Jersey 6 years ago) (exit 9) I can confirm that there is parking available within walking distance of the Intrepid. There are a couple of large commercial lots (with exorbitant rates) to the east of 12th avenue and the Circle Line has a parking facility next to its dock in the area. There may also be some parking available a little north of the Intrepid at the Passenger Ship Terminal. The other option is to park far away-near where you are staying and get to Intrepid by cab, bus or/and subway. By subway use the IND line, the A or E train and get off at either 34th or 42nd street which are at 8th avenue and walk west to the river-4 blocks-about 10 minutes or grab a bus. The city is a lot safer than some of the news media make it out to be and that includes the subway. Enjoy the INR and the city. Mark Grossman From East Brunswick New Jersey where the kids can play in a huge backyard but the bagels suck! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Timothy Dike Subject: Re: Fletcher Camo and Radar http://www.shipcamouflage.com/fletcher_class.htm list MS 12 for the Fletcher in 42. There has been some controversy over whether of not these ships were still in that scheme when they arrived in the Pacific. Some have said that they were repainted upon arrival at Pearl Harbor, however a lot of Destroyers bypassed Pearl, sailing directly to the SW pacific as the need for Destroyers and other ships was extremely urgent. >> Also the publications indicate the early Fletchers did not have radar. Were the radars fitted by the Guadalcanal actions in Nov 42? << Fletcher and O'Bannon did have SC Radar when they arrived in the SW Pacific. There is still some controversy as to why these ships were not leading on that fateful Friday the 13th, November 1942. They could have made a difference, had they had a chance to use their radar as flagships. mailto:Cadman@kc.net http://www.kc.net/~cadman/ "A still sea never wrought a skillful sailor" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Quan, MT Mike (5763)" Subject: Aussie Ship names Hi Peter, You asked: "Do the current RAN ships wear their names on the Transom like US ships or are they either side of the stern like RN ships??" A perusal of Australian Warship Review, Volume 5/2000 reveals that HMAS Perth, Anzac, Tobruk, Adelaide, Success, and Manoora do not have any names on the transom nor stern. There is just the pennant number either side of the stern in a smaller size than the sides of the bow. HTH cheers, Mike Quan Garland Texas "hoping it won't rain for the IPMS-USA Nationals, though it will keep the temperature under a 100 degrees if it does!" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Jeff Herne" Subject: Paint chips >> The problem is--as I pointed out at the time (no slam here to Jon or Jeff) that commercial paint companies constantly change their line of colors, and the names of colors, so that the chips quickly become superseded, obsolete, unavailable... This is what has already happened with most of the Dutch Boy Chips. It is what WON'T happen with our chip sets, since we maintain precise records of the formulas used by Dunn-Edwards Paints who produce our colors. Every batch will match the original sample. << Kudos John, but... Can you match my faded Dutch Boy Egyptian Sandstone Tan # 2309-3 from 1994 for me? I need to touch up the house...BTW, I'll need about 35 gallons... Jeff PS: If anyone takes this seriously, please get in line for a slap to the mug... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Jeff Herne" Subject: Re: Fletcher Camouflage and Radar >> Speak to us J H. << Discretion is oftentimes the better part of valor, especially in this instance... Why wake a cranky child who's napping peacefully (at present)? Jeff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Michael Dunn" Subject: Traplet Publications Plans Service Rusty wrote : >> Could you please furnish an address for these folks? << Hi, Like almost all UK companies, replace .com with .co.uk, so you get: http://www.traplet.co.uk Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: Vacation time again?? >> Caroline is coming to California in the summer??? WHO is doing the resin and PE on the bikini project?? Waterline or full hull?? << I'll be working on the master.... John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys http://www.shipcamouflage.com ...planning some interesting future endeavors with WEM... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Leslie Brown" Subject: Traplet Publications UK address for Traplet Plans Service is: Traplet Publications Ltd FREEPOST WR553 Worcester, WR8 9BR Tel 01684 594505 Fax 01684 594586 E-mail general@traplet.co.uk Website www.traplet.com International enquiries: Traplet Publications Ltd Traplet House Severn Drive Upton-upon-Severn Worcester, WR8 9BR Tel +44 1684 594505 Fax +44 1684 594586 USA enquiries: Traplet Distribution USA Ltd 3103 Tatman Court Suite 105 Urbana IL 61802 Tel (217) 328-4444 Fax (217) 328-2450 Regards Les Brown -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Felix Bustelo" Subject: Parking at and around the INR Hello SMMLers, There will be ships at three berthing facilities in New York City to accomodate the large number of ships coming in that week. The most of the ships will be at the passenger ship terminals (Pier 88,89,90 91) and the Intrepid Air/Space Museum at I think piers 86 and 87. Others will be at some piers in Brooklyn across from Governors Island at the mouth of the East River and others will be at the Naval Station on Staten Island. While I cannot speak for parking at the other sites, there is normally parking at some roof top garages on the piers used for the passenger ship terminals. However, I don't know if these will be open or not these days. There are parking garages and lots in the general vicinity. There is a large lot near the Jacob Javits Center. I would suggest accessing the Intrepid Musem Website and the INR2000 website for info. Anybody coming into to town, contact me off line as I am planning to go to the Manhattan berths on July 6. Felix Bustelo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Robert Lockie" Subject: 2cm FlaK on U-boote Have you considered the 2cm mounts made by resin kit manufacturers in 1/35, either as a reference or to save yourself the job? I have the twin 2cm by Azimut (for their S-boot; they also make a twin 3.7cm) and Accurate Armour may well be prepared to supply the AA weapons for its Type VII separately. I do not have an email address or website for the former but try derek@Accurate-Armour.com for the latter. Robert Lockie Cambridge UK "If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs, perhaps you just don;t understand the situation" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: ironship@usit.net (Jon Warneke) Subject: Re: Is Resin The Best Available? Hi Rhino, At the present time, there is no other material that provides the same amount of versatility, ease of use, and relative safety as resin. Now, there are many types of "resin" that are used in modeling, but all have common properties. They consist of a base, a catalyst, harden through exothermic reaction (it gives off heat), and are mixed in a one-to-one proportion. Resin is, in generic terms, a plastic, and as such is by definition subject to bending and warping. Styrene will do the same if heated. True that is is brittle, but it is no more subject to voids than any other material mixed in the atmosphere. Voids are the result of the casting methods used, and trapped air is more the result of physics than the material used. As for the out-gassing, that's usally done with the RTV molds rather than the resin, since out-gassing resin in a vacuum makes the trapped air take up more space. RTV can be out-gassed safely since it cures much slower than resin, whereas resin usually gels (starts curing) in 10-15 minutes, and any large air pocket formed will be permanant. Most casters cast under pressure, which makes the trapped air bubbles smaller, but no matter what method is used, air still acts under the law of physics, and we can't do anything about that. Economics dictate that this is the material we use. It's cheap, efficient, and relatively harmless if not consumed internally. It's also easy to use. If you can make a bundt cake, you can use this. According to a couple of friends at the Oak Ridge National Laboratory, there are some materials that are similar, but cost at least three times as much, if not more (they are chemists). Also, you don't have to worry about this being a carcinogen, since, according to the data sheets from Vagabond Corp. (the supplier of the resins we use): Trade Name: MODEL-CAST 0 to 9 Polyol A,B,C,D,E Chemical Family: Polyether resin & aromatic hydrocarbons Stability: Stable Hazardous polymerization: will not occur Effects of overexposure : none observed; polyether may be regarded as physiologically innocuous Ventilation: local exhaust - no special requirements Respiratory protection: none required Eye Protection: Liquid Goggles Skin Protection: rubber gloves for cleanliness And this is from the US Dept. of Transportation: "Pursuant to 49 CFR 172-101 ... the USDOT has determined that Diphenylmethane 4,4' diiisocynate, UN2489, does not meet the definition for a Division 6.1 hazardous material." Resin is a safe material, period. If it wasn't, the stuff wouldn't be shipped across state lines with the ease that it is. We'd have to have permits, hazmat training, and probably some outrageously expensive facility, and nobody would expose themselves to cancer just to make models. Maybe someday there will be a substitute for the polyether type of resin, but for right now it's the only material that fits the economic model we operate under. Jon Warneke Commander Series Models, Inc. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: LCAC Ned wrote- >> In this book, for littoral warfare, he postulates taking an LCAC (Landing Craft Air Cushion) and converting it into a formidably-armed and reasonably stealthy PGAC (Patrol Gunboat Air Cushion). The book is a fascinating look at high-tech littoral warfare in the near future - and the boats seem highly plausible. I'd love to model one - is their an LCAC model out there (I'm assuming that there is an LCAC - that it's not another fictionalized piece of high-tech hardware). << There is a little LCAC model that comes packaged with a few of the 1/700 waterline kits, like the ARII Spruance-class. The real thing has no armor or permanent defenses -- just a mount that can support an M-60 machine gun. Would appear to be fairly vulnerable in that respect. Turning it into a patrol gunboat is an interesting concept, though. Mike Alexandria, VA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: PT191@aol.com Subject: Re: 50 Cal machine guns Yes, John Lambert's drawings are first rate. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Intrepid parking >> I am headed to Manhattan for the Naval Review, and would like to know if anyone can tell me if there is parking at the Intrepid Museum or in the vicinity of 38th street and 12th ave. << The best place that I've parked is in the decked lot that is part of the cruise ship pier just to the north of the Intrepid pier. I parked all the way up on the top deck. Nearby, convenient, and not especially crowded on the weekend I was there. Great view of the Intrepid and Growler from that location. Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Is Resin The Best Available? >> How could it be possible that in this age of modern materials engineering that a compound (i.e. resin) which is carcinogenic << Can someone please give me a scientific reference for resin being carcinogenic? Especially in its cured state. I've seen warnings about resin dust, and I can believe it might be an irritant. In addition, it's always a good idea to err on the side of caution and wear a dust mask- BUT- Is there proof that resin dust is, in fact, a carcinogen? Animal test data? Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: Joel Labow Subject: Revell Alabama v. Kearsarge Colleagues, My long awaited re-released CSS Alabama arrived today.....I scurried down to the workshop to compare it to my mummified Kearsarge kit. The long debate that has mesmerised all 4 or 5 of us that seem to care about this issue has been answered! THERE CAN BE NO QUESTION THAT THE ALABAMA WAS DEVELOPED FROM THE KEARSARGE. The hull halves from the 2 kits mate perfectly and the hull lines below the waterline and the run of the coppering are identical. That said, the Alabama has been extensively modified above the waterline with a lower sheerline, very different gunports and planking detail and the stern is pierced with multiple openings which look at first glance like stern windows but which open onto the after end of the main deck. IMHO it would be an extraordinarily difficult project to covert the Alabama hull back to Kearsarge.....probably easier to start from scratch! With the information available in the recent series of articles in the Nautical Research Guild I submit that the Kearsarge kit appears to be based on the Washington Navy Yard model.....the Alabama on the other hand appears to be a rough and ready adaptation of Kearsarge which bears only a passing resemblance to the Alabama drawings available on the U. of Alabama website. Alas, I suspect that the rumor that the Kearsarge molds are no more now has some supporting evidence. Joel Labow -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "Timothy J. Barron" Subject: U.S.S. Constitution I'm looking for some websites with reviews of available wooden kits of the U.S.S. Constitution - a new project for our living room. I've found that there are at these three kits available. Mantua (1:98) Mamoli (1:93) Model Shipways (1:76) I've never done a wooden model and it will be an interesting (and time consuming!) project. Thanks in advance for any links. Timothy J. Barron mailto:tjbarro@worldnet.att.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: Jeffon10@cs.com Subject: Re: Hobby Shops in Hampton Roads Anyone going shouldn't pass up Denbeigh Hobbies, 14363 Warwick Blvd, Newport News. (intersection, as I recall, of Denbeigh and Warrick, SW corner of intersection shopping center). It's big and has some unusual plastic kits. Of course, the Mariner's Museum is displaying the winner models of the ship model contest--an event that occurs once every 5 years!) Jeff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: Jeffon10@cs.com Subject: Re: FLETCHER Camo and radar FLETCHER had all radars on 18 July 42, according to John Reilly's United States Navy Destroyers of World War II while stil in easure 12 camouflage. I suspect those who claim they didn't have radars are victums of wartime sensors who doctored photos. JEFF -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "feed" Subject: Indian naval kits >> Two worthy additions to the above modern navy chips would be India and Canada and for that matter any other navy for which paint samples can be obtained. << I was wondering if is there any Indian Plastic Model Ship available on the market. If it is afirmative. Does somebody know her name? Regards FEED -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: SBB Y@m@to/Argo colors A while back, a few folks were asking what color to paint the upper works of the SBB Y@m@to/Argo. One possibility for this I stumbled upon was USN Sea Blue 5-S A. In comparing my pics of the ship with my handy-dandy S&S paint chips (yet another use for these wonderful refs), I found Sea Blue to be the closest match among actual service colors. Please note...it's not a perfect match, because it's a tad darker than what was actually shown in the show. I believe the proper shade could be achieved by lightening it as if you were painting to scale. Of the three variants of Sea Blue, 5-S A appeared to be the best choice. IMO 5-S B is too dark, and 5-S C is too bright/green. If it seems sacreligous to paint a former IJN ship in USN colors, just keep telling yourself "It's the Argo, not the Y@m@to." Since I have two 1:700 Argo models in dire need of reconstruction, I'm planning to paint both of them full-strength 5-SA (creative licence). I like the color, but given it's short service life, this is the only project where it's use would appear to be legit. Go Navy! _|_o_|_ Derek "Tiger" (/\)akefield /---(.](o)[.)---\ iscandar@chatter.com o oo O oo o http://www.iscandar-66.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: 1:720 Revell Enterprise An aquantance of mine has mentioned he would like a model of the Enterprise (CVN-65) as it appeared after it's refit in the 80s. He was stationed aboard her in the mid-80s. He mentioned he was aboard when Top Gun was filmed and was on board at the time of the Libyan crisis. Problem is, he doesn't have the space for the 1:350 kit (and I don't have the experience to tackle that monster). The only alternative I know of is the old Revell 1:720 kit. I built enough of these as a kid to know it dipicts the ship as she was built in the 60's (barring the Terrier launchers). However, it's just just about the right size. I know a number of you are building the Tamiya kit. So, not being a supercarrier expert, just how difficult would be to convert the Revell kit to represent the ship's appearance in the 80s? I know the island would have to be heavily modified, and Phalanxes & Sea Sparrow launchers added - that's obvious. What else would have to be changed? Any suggestions for accurization would also be appreciated. Likewise, are there any aircraft in that scale that could be used to replace the 60's era ones (C-2's in particular - that's how he left the ship...his one and only cat shot). If so, what types would I need? I'm thinking F-14s, A-7s, A-6's, S-2s, E-2s, and SH-3's (some of which come with the kit, but are pretty ugly), but I'm not sure what units were assigned to the ship during this time frame. Go Navy! _|_o_|_ Derek "Tiger" (/\)akefield /---(.](o)[.)---\ iscandar@chatter.com o oo O oo o http://www.iscandar-66.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: "chuah tze wen" Subject: anchor chain hi guys, i'm looking for anchor and chains to refit my 1/350 yamato.can anyone tell me the size and place where i can get them by mail? thanx in advance. chuah -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: The Sea Blue Blues To Mr Sheridan and Mr Snyder (and anyone else it may concern) First off, my apologies for not bringing this up on the camouflage message board, but I don't do webboards (Amiga, 14.4 modem, limited time ISP, nuff said). Maybe I didn't spend enough time at the Ship Camouflauge site, but I'm sorta curious as to why there were three distinct variants of Sea Blue 5-S (A, B, and C) - as shown on your paint chips. I know it was only used for a few months and it faded and wore very bad (having read your comments on SMML). But why three distinct shades? Was this an attempt to find one that would hold up better than the earlier ones? What ships were actually painted in Ms-11 w/5-S? At least one had to be for the Navy to come to the conclusion it wouldn't work. Given the confusion of "okay, the ship was actually wearing 5-N not 5-S, because the latter didn't hold up... One of the reasons I ask is that one of my refs states the St Louis was wearing Ms-11 at the time of the attack on Pearl. Given what you're saying though, I'm wondering if she was painted in Ms-21 (5-N) rather than Ms-11 (5-S). In one (albeit B&W) photo I have of the St Louis approaching near the California during the attack, the St Louis appears to be rather lightly colored upside the California. Could be (re: probably is) the lighting, could be the grainy nature of the photo (it's pretty bad), could be the type of film, could be a dozen other reasons I'm not educated enough to make a guess about. However, given all the talk about the BBs being Navy Blue instead of Dark Gray, and with the posibility of the St Louis wearing 5-N rather than 5-S...well, I r cunfoozed. Let me guess...take a number. Two years ago, when I first started thinking about a California-St Louis diorama, I was thinking California in Ms-1 (5-D & 5-L) and St Louis in Ms-11 (5-S & 20-B). Now it seems the more I read the less I know. Any help to cut through the fog here would be appreciated. Go Navy! _|_o_|_ Derek "Tiger" (/\)akefield /---(.](o)[.)---\ iscandar@chatter.com o oo O oo o http://www.iscandar-66.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) From: "Francisco Javier Chaves Salarrullana" Subject: Revell's Royal Sovereign Hello. I've just come from touring the hobby retailers in my city and There are four Revell 1/500 Royal Sovereign kits. I know that there are people looking for this ship, and if somebody would want one of this, contact me. The price is 2600 Pts each (around U.S.$16.00), but be advised that this price can be almost twice due to shipping charges. Regards. Francisco Javier Chaves. Zaragoza (Spain). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Joseph Poutre Subject: Ship review list updated The Ship Reviews list Formerly Known as Rajen's has been updated and expanded. Dave Wells and I added a bunch of companies, expanded the lists for others, and added a few reviews. You can download the file at: http://www.quuxuum.org/rajens_list/shiprevs.html Please feel free to peruse it at your leisure, even print it out and share it with your friends, but NO SELLING IT OR THE INFORMATION CONTAINED WITHIN! There are two purposes to the list. First, to let people know what's out there, either currently or in the past, and second, to provide short reviews of the models. Everyone is invited to submit short reviews, preferably limited to one paragraph, though you'll see we take longer ones, too. Obviously, we can't accept reviews by manufacturers of their own items, but we will take corrections, additions, and deletions from youse peoples. Neither Dave, Rajen, nor I work for any model making companies, and we don't plan or expect to make any profit from this list. Model websites are free to link to the list. Joseph Poutre -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: GtLakesMem@aol.com Subject: Catalog Greetings Shane: A couple of quick notes: 1) Great Lakes Memories, PO BOX 51183, Livonia, Michigan 48151-5183, USA. has just released their Year 2000 Catalog. Any SMML subscriber is invited to send their snail-mail address to us and we will send a catalog, anywhere in the world. The catalog is primarily devoted to the Great Lakes Shipping but we do have related railroad videos. We have included the following items for sale: Books, Videos, 1/1200 and 1/1250 models and kits, 1:700 and 1:350 resin kits, Artists Prints, and an assortment of other items. We have just added modeling drawings in 1/16 th scale of Great Lakes Ships. At present there are 10 sets of plans, one which includes a class of Great Lakes Bulk Freighters which numbered 8 in all. The plans include their original variations and later modifications. Truly unique. We can be reached at gtlakesmem@aol.com or our mailing address, Great Lakes Memories P.O.Box 51183 Livonia, MI 48141-5183 USA. Thank you for producing a super newsletter and forum. J. Albin Jackman Great Lakes Memories -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Ships in Scale Seeking back issues of "Ships in Scale" magazine that contained Parts 1 and 2 of the article on building a Flower class corvette, written by Ray Crean. Part 3 just appeared in the JUL/AUG 2000 issue (Vol XI No 4). The other articles were published sometime last year. Could not find them using the Seaways web site search engine. Would appreciate hearing from anybody who'd be willing to sell the old issues in question. 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