Subject: SMML VOL 956 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:33:31 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Flower class fittings 2: San Francisco 3: SF ships 4: Re: USS BLOCK ISLAND Aircraft 5: Re: Hyuga 6: Re: Trip to Massachusetts 7: Re: Good Starter Kit (Addenda) 8: Re: Ethan Allen 9: Re: Cage masts 10: Red Oak Victory 11: Re: Sabre 12: Admiral Scheer splinter pattern 13: Photo-Etch Challange 14: Paint Match Database 15: The Truth About Resin 16: Re: 500 Scale Barnacles 17: Realistic Style Paintings of CSS Alabama 18: the only female on the list? 19: Re: American Civil War Sesquicentennial is Approaching 20: Toxicity of Resin 21: USS Ethan Allen 22: Re: IPMS-Dallas 23: Re: USS BLOCK ISLAND Aircraft 24: Correction for models from fiction books 25: The "other" Murmansk 26: Resin toxicity cont'd 27: Block Island 28: Ethan Allen 29: Questions 30: Revell Kearsarge v. Alabama 31: INR contacts 32: Re: 1/350 Konig PE advisory from GMM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts 1: NY/NJ/CT get together 2: Re: IPMS/SMML get-together -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Model Ship Journal-MAIL COMING -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Erwin Van Deynze Subject: Re: Flower class fittings >> Regarding the query about detail sets for the Revell 1/72 Flower; in the current issue of Model Graphix (Japan) they have some small photos in the "what's new" section of detail items for this kit from Sirmar. They look to be either in white metal or resin or both: main and secondary guns, depth charge K guns, bridge items (pelorus, binnacle, etc.), and liferafts, IIRC, as well as some other goodies. No info as to where these may be obtained, however (at least not in English!). << I know these, in fact I bought them a year or two ago. Unless they've changed their molds, they are not worth their price. They are a bit better then the original parts, but all details are very soft, some parts show huge bubbles, and general show quit some misalignement. In short, all the signs of worn-out molds. So, unless Sirmar did pull their act together, I wouldn't recommend these to anyone, especially because they cost me quit a substantial sum. Parts are in resin, with white metal hedgehog projectiles and some gun details (handwheels...) and also some PE (Gun sights). They are divided in three sets : Bridge, weapons & deck set. I don't remember where I got them, and can't find the adress anymore (a nasty HD-crash took care of that..) but you can find more info in some previous SMML, because I answered this question before. Erwin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Robert & Rose Brown Subject: San Francisco Hi all: My family and I are going to be in the Bay area on July 28-31 and are looking for a recommendation for places to stay that are relatively close to the main attractions (Fisherman's Wharf etc), that don't cost an arm and a leg (that ol' US exchange rate is 150% CDN), and are in nice neighborhoods. Don't mind driving in from some outlying area, as long as it's not too far. Is there any parking downtown? Any recommendations will be cheerfully accepted, please contact me off list. Can sombody also supply directions to Alameda and the USS Hornet? Thank you....we return you now to the modeling topics -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Shirley Sachsen Subject: SF ships Also defiantly check out the USS HORNET and the USS POMPINITO USS JERIMIA OBRIAN and the nice sailing ship just up the road a small piece from the O'brian nice 2 or 3 masted ship don't remember off hand That's the Balclutha at Hyde St. Pier. definitely worth going aboard. (along with the CA Thayer, and the Eureka) Balclutha is, after all, an iron hulled ship :-) s -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: USS BLOCK ISLAND Aircraft At the time of her loss, BLOCK ISLAND had embarked VC-55 with nine FM-2 Wildcats and twelve TBF Avengers. I expect they would have been painted in the light-colored Atlantic scheme. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys http://www.shipcamouflage.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: drwells@hogpb.mt.att.com (David R Wells) Subject: Re: Hyuga Brian (Mapweasel1@cs.com) wrote: >> I've had my eye on a Nichimo 1/500 Hyuga for some time. Can anyone tell me how good (or bad) this kit is? << Well, it's a fair sight better than their Nagato, let me tell you that. The Nichimo Nagato needs some significant work on the hull. From the Nichimo 1/500 kits that I've built, they seem to be either mediocre, or pretty darn good. Fortunately, their Hyuga/Ise kit seems to fall into the later category. The hull is in two pieces, split along the waterline, so you can build it as a waterline or a full hull model. Nichimo designs a lot of its kits to be motorized, and that gives a few problems in the lower hull. One bit of difficulty I had was with the lower hull. It was warped on mine, and I destroyed the lower hull trying to fix it. So if you're planning on building yours as a waterline model, I've got a good home for the lower hull! It's probably not up to the best standards of resin casters, but I liked it. >> Any updates, books, etc., on it? << Not that I know of..... >> If its a real woofer of a kit, does anyone else make one? Preferably in plastic. << Not in 1/500 scale. Hasegawa made a 1/700 WL Hyuga/Ise. David R. Wells "There seems to be something wrong | David R. Wells with our bloody ships today" | AT&T Middletown, NJ Adm. D. Beatty, May 31, 1916 | Email: drwells@hogpa.mt.att.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Trip to Massachusetts >> Also worth the trip is the USS Salem about a 1/2 hr further north in Quincy Mass. << ...and stop by the newly enlarged and renovated US Submarine Force Museum and Library (Home of SSN571, Nautilus) in Groton, CT.!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: drwells@hogpb.mt.att.com (David R Wells) Subject: Re: Good Starter Kit (Addenda) Derek Wakefield wrote: >> I haven't built a kit in a number of years now, so I'm way out of practice. What I'm looking for is a low budget starter cruiser kit that's at best quasi-accurate (a gem I don't expect). IOW, something I can use for practice to get my feet wet again, but that if I goon up, no great loss. Something (as some suggested last fall) that I can just build it for the fun of it, sans the worry/fret factor. Not necessary a slap-dasher, but a for the **** of it kit! A Revell Pittsburg/Helena comes to mind (but I haven't seen one in ages). << It was just reissued a couple of years ago, although it needs considerable work to make it "right". Remember, this kit dates back to about 1954. >> Other possibilities I've considered include Matchbox's Indianapolis (where to find??), << Not bad, but you'll need to replace the light guns. I used Skywave 40mm on mine, and if I were more ambitious, I'd invest in some Corsair Armada 5"/25 guns. I have no idea how good the CA guns are, but they'd be hard pressed to be worse than the ones Matchbox provided. >> Tamiya's Kumano/Suzuya, << I.G.Hassenpflug, writing on Rajen's list, gave this one an unfavorable review. I've never seen it out of the box. >> or Airfix's Ajax/Belfast. << The Belfast is the better of the two, although it has a couple of minor fit problems. It might be your best choice of those mentioned. It's a nice combination of pretty good and pretty cheap. David R. Wells "There seems to be something wrong | David R. Wells with our bloody ships today" | AT&T Middletown, NJ Adm. D. Beatty, May 31, 1916 | Email: drwells@hogpa.mt.att.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Ethan Allen >> I've been re-reading The Hunt For Red October and was wondering if anyone knows what class the Ethan Allen was thanks alot << Yeah, it was (are you ready for this??) an Ethan Allen class ship. The Ethan Allen (SSBN 608) was the lead ship of the first class of Polaris boats designed from the ground up as missile boats (SSBNs). The class design (SCB 180) superseded the SCB 180 A design (George Washington class) of the first five boats, which were actually adaptations of the Skipjack hull. The more advanced SCB 180 design included rafted machinery spaces to reduce radiated noise, and had a more faired in turtle back and hull with Thresher/Permit features, including HY-80 steel. The EA class retained the older compressed air (@ 4000 PSI) to launch the missiles; gas generators were initially installed in the later SSBN 616 (Lafayette) class. Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: Re: Cage masts Mark, Re your message in the current SMML - a hint that might be of some use. All florists use 18" small green rods to brace cut flower displays. They usually come in three sizes [small, medium and large]. The cost is insignificant. They are stiffer than brass wire, yet bend easily. I scratch build in 1/192 so they are perfect for railings or any place that I need piping. Perhaps they can be useful for cage masts. Regards, John -Seattle -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: TerrYBettYS@webtv.net (Terry Sandin) Subject: Red Oak Victory Last week I made my first visit to the "Red Oak Victory" in Richmond, Calif. with two 13 year old nephews in tow. While the exterior of the ship is in need of quite a bit of "touch up" work (scrapping, painting, etc.) the interior is in good condition with a number of compartments already restored by her volunteer crew. The steering engine room, for example, was in excellent shape and was found to be this way upon opening the compartment for the first time as was the case withmuch of the interior of the ship. A gentleman by the name of Bill Smith spent over two hours showing us just about everything on and in the ship. The nephews were particulary interested in the engineering spaces (some of the interiors of the boilers, condensors, etc. were opened for viewing) and by the quite lengthy propellor shaft running for 100' + through it's narrow corridor from the engine room to the stern. The "regular" tour, I'm told, runs a little over an hour so I believe we visited a few areas of the ship not normally open to the public. This may be due to the fact that the day we were there was a little slow, or to the obvious interest we had in the vessel (and maybe because we had done some prior research on what we had come to see) or because I showed up with a video camera and a portable movie light allowing us to both illuminate and photograph even the dimmest lit areas. While I've visited scores of active, inactive and museum ships over the years, I particularly enjoyed this day due to the tour Bill gave us and the fact that it was the first "Victory" ship I'd been on. The "work-in-progress" status of the "Red Oak Victory" was not ony interesting, but provides insight and comparison with more extensively restored vessels such as the "Jerimiah O'Brien" less than an hour away from Richmond (non-commute, accident free time) in San Francisco or the "Lane Victory" in San Pedro. If you're in the Bay Area and have the time, I think you'll find a visit worth while. TerryS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "philip knell" Subject: Re: Sabre in the late 70's i was on a wet winching and survival course at portland and was lucky enough to have a ride on the sabre. must have been like riding a bucking broncho in the waves. felt like i had been picked up and shaken like a doll but what a ride. if my memory serves me correctly about 100 foot long practically identical to the braves but powered by two diesels for cruising and two gas turbines for speed. i believe they also had for awhile a slightly bigger vessel about 130 foot long but i cannot remember the name. phil -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Reynaga, Tim@EDD" Subject: Admiral Scheer splinter pattern I am working on an Admiral Scheer and was thinking of painting her up in the dramatic two tone gray splinter camouflage she sported for a time after her famous Atlantic sortie. The problem is, the only reference I have for this is a single, blurry black and white IWM photo taken from an angle from portside forward. Can anyone direct me to any other sources (drawings photos, whatever) of information on that pattern? Also, what were the colors? The picture looks like squirrel or silver grey and dark grey or black, but it's hard to tell. I have the Morskie books on the Lützow class ships, but no luck there. Tim -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Jana & Pavel" Subject: Photo-Etch Challange I have been looking at the number of French and Italian Warships that are now available and am at a loss as to why none of the Photo-etch manufacturers, (namely Gold Medal Models and Toms, to name but a few) have not brought out a product to fill this void. Am I being naive? Are there more Modelers out there wishing to detail the Hi-mould - Richelieu, Samek - Dunkerque, WSW - Georges Leygues, Regia Marina - Vittorio Veneto, Delphis - Guilio Cesare, Roma. And so on. I know that the process is expensive, but with more of these ships on the market then ever before, could not one of the manufacturers take the plunge. As always, these comments and questions are not aimed at criticizing or knocking the fine work and products brought out to date, but a means of perhaps showing ,through discussion, that there is enough interest out there to warrant such a product. Your comments could make this possible. Thank you all for taking the time to listen to my ramblings. Regards Pavel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Felix Bustelo" Subject: Paint Match Database Hello All, I am asking for help in building a paint match database that I would like to host on my site, International Maritime Modeling. This is what I would like to do: I would like to set up a page that has the colors that appear on the fine set of S&S chips (RN1, RN2, USN1, USN2, IJN) and then have the paints or combination of paints available for different brands that will match the chip. I would like to include the colors for the popular brands like Humbrol, Testors Model Masters, Tamiya and others. I think that this is a resource that all ship modelers would find very useful. Something like this has already been started on the SMML home site but I would like to build on that. I need modelers to send in their suggestions and recipies for color matches. I will be happy to host and maintain these tables, I just need input as these are too many color for one person to match and I am admittedly a bit color challenged. Please send suggestions to my webmaster email: imm_web_master@yahoo.com Thanks, Felix Bustelo http://members.tripod.com/~Febus65/imm.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: The Truth About Resin Mike Eisenstadt wrote- >> We've had this go-around about the toxicity (or dangers) of resin fumes/dust several times, with no clear resolution. << While I cannot comment on the relative toxicity of resin as a potential heath hazard, I'm all too aware of yet another insidious effect that it has on modelers: once you first begin inhaling resin vapors, you develop a sudden and irresistible urge to buy more and MORE kits. Soon your closets are bulging with them. Reported long-term side effects include depleted bank accounts and disaffected spouses. I'm hoping the government will underwrite a million-dollar study of this phenomenon, which I hope to head up. : ) >> Hoping to get at the truth. << "The Truth is Out There" (Fox Mulder) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: GKingzett@aol.com Subject: Re: 500 Scale Barnacles C'mon you guys. You know that you are over-simplifying and are going to confuse lots of nice but gullible people. I'm in the water treatment business and I can assure you that amateurs can't produce scale water without a lot of very tiring effort. To make scale barnacles what you must do is procure (buy or build) a Barnacle Blivet. That way you can put 5 pounds of barnacles in a one pound bag. Then you pour the result out, clean the blivet and put in the next generation. They breed rather rapidly, and you only have to do this 100 times to achieve 1:500 scale; however the breeding part is automatic so you can do something else while that is going on if the noise the little buggars makes doesn't disturb you. Gary -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Robert Writt" Subject: Realistic Style Paintings of CSS Alabama For those of you, like myself, who have recently purchased the Revell CSS Alabama, there are two beautiful color reproductions of painting illustrating the USS Alabama engaging the USS Kearsage off Cherbourg in the book "Civil War Chronicles, Naval Warfare, Courage and Combat on the water" by J. C. Wideman, 1997, Michael Friedman Publishing Group. Both paintings are realistic in style and have the Alabama as their primary subject. The first painting, by W. R. McGrath, depicts the entire port side of the Alabama from the prospective of the viewer being on the ocean surface, a few hundred feet away from the hull. The second painting is by T. W. Freeman and it is my favorite of the two. In it the viewer is slightly above and oblique to the direction of sail, such that the port side hull and ship deck, including many fittings are in view. Since good photos of the Alabama in detail are rare (if any exist?), realistic style paintings such as these can serve as great aids when it comes to painting, rigging, placing fittings, etc. of the Revell model. I can not vouch for the overall accuracy of these paintings, but I try to keep in mind when viewing such artwork that most realistic painters have a great eye for detail, color,and prospective. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Jodie Peeler Subject: the only female on the list? Allan Plumb wrote: >> Crystal (hmm, the only female on the list) << Uh, come again? What about me and Caroline? Are we chopped liver or something? Or do we not count because we play with model ships too? ;) jodie http://www.mindspring.com/~raisingirl/ Hi Jodie, Ahhh, you forgot the most important lady on the list ie: the List Mistress ;->>. But hey, I'm biased ;-). I'm sure Allan was referring to the list of people going to that small gathering of modellers in Texas - you know that small US state that fits into Western Australia a few times ;->>. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Charlie Jarvis Subject: Re: American Civil War Sesquicentennial is Approaching >> Given the lead time of model builders, it may not be too early to begin thinking about the Sesquicentennial of the U.S. Civil War (aka The War of Northern Aggression)... << You mean The War Of The Rebellion. Charlie Jarvis (Co. F, 2nd Regt., Wisconsin Vol) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Michael Eisenstadt Subject: Toxicity of Resin Folks: A special thanks to John Warneke, Kenneth Goldman, Allan Plumb, Martin Short, and anybody else I might be leaving out (sorry if I am) who responded to my posting concerning the "dangers" (?) of resin. I think we have an answer now! Ken Goldman, thanks for the insight about the "dangers" posed by some types of sawdust; who would have thought?! The members of this e-mail list are a goldmine of information and I thank you all who responded to this query. So, to repeat, for the dummies among us (I'm talking about myself), I guess the following would be suitable precautions for using resin. If I am off base, please correct me. 1) When casting with resin, do as the instructions say, and wear rubber gloves and a respirator to avoid contact or inhalation hazards produced as a result of the polymerization process (did I get that right?). 2) When sanding cured resin components, either wet sand to avoid dust, or wear a respirator. I guess that's it! Simple enough, huh? This way, we will all live to a ripe old age (G-d willing) and start plenty of resin models... and maybe even finish a few! Thanks again to you all! Yours truly, Michael Eisenstadt -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: Dave Shirlaw Subject: USS Ethan Allen Was the lead ship of the 5 member Ethan Allen Class. Originally SSBN 608, later classified SSN 608. Has since been scrapped at Puget Sound Naval Shipyard. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: Marc Flake Subject: Re: IPMS-Dallas Updated list (29): David Angleo Derek Brown Bruce Buchner Bradford Chaucer John Collins James Corley Mike Czibovic Joe Damato Marc Flake Ed Grune Donald Hinton Jim Johnson Gary Kingzett Mark Knowlton Steve Lau Hugh Letterly Dave Miller Art Nicholson Tony Partlow Nathan Pettigrew Mike Quan Kelly Quirk Nat Richards Bruce Ross John Snyder Al Superczynski Rusty White Derek Wakefield Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: CBNJBB62@aol.com Subject: Re: USS BLOCK ISLAND Aircraft Hi Guys Concerning the request on the air group VC-55 of the USS Block Island. It consisted of 21 planes. It was 9 FM wildcats and 12 TBF avengers. The planes were painted in anti-sub paint scheme #2. It used Navy-Army paint colors non spectular Dark Gull Gray ANA-621 and Insignia white ANA-601. Try to locate a copy of the book Navy Air Colors USN,MC,and Coast Guard aircraft camouflage and markingsVol.1 1911-45 Squadron Signal , 1983. Craig Bennett -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: WVeigele@aol.com Subject: Correction for models from fiction books I wrote that a good fiction book for use in building a PC model was "Eye of the Storm." That was wrong. The correct title is "Path of the Storm," and it was written by Douglas Reeman. the ISBN is 0099070707, paper back, 320 pages, generally out of print but available from Amazon's UK site for 4.79 pounds. Bill Veigele Hi Bill, et al, Actually most of Douglas Reeman's books can give inspiration in this regard across the ship modelling spectrum. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "Cypryan Klish" Subject: The "other" Murmansk There was another Murmansk, a Sverdlov-class cruiser, build and commissioned after the return of the already discussed Murmansk - the Omaha class USS Milwaukee - in 1949. The Sverdlov Murmansk was build at Severodvinsk; laid down in 1951 and completed in 1955. I've no reference to Murmansk being active beyond 1982, but he may well have been been. The Sverdlovs were 17,200 tons full load, 689 ft oa ships who initially carried 12 (4x3) 152mm guns. 24 were ordered, 20 laid down, 17 launched, and 14 actually completed by 4 different yards from 1951 through 1955 (Murmansk being one of the last.) Interestingly, the Sverdlov's were roughly about the size of the USN's Worcester class CLs, which, in comarison, went 18,500 tons full load, 679ft oa, and carried a main armament 12 (6x2) 6" semi-automatic guns You have to always watch out for those re-uses of ship names. Kip -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: martin.short@nstarch.com Subject: Resin toxicity cont'd Further to my earlier post on resins, funny how the mind works... I've got to work and now remember what it was. MOCA is 4'4- methylene bis(2- chloroaniline), which also has a number of synonyms which I won't bore you with. This was an effective cure accelerator for certain PU systems, but was found to do nasty things to rats and mice, and by inference, human beings, and so was dropped out of the formulations, at least in the formulations for the resin manuacturer/supplier I was working for at the time. That completes the picture. TTFN Martin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Block Island >> I'm currently building the Tamiya 1/700 Bogue as the USS Block Island. I want to depict her at the time of her loss in 1944. Does anyone know what her aircraft complement was at this time? What about the aircraft painting scheme? << The F4F in Detail and Scale (Vol. 65, the new one) by Bert Kinzey has a photo of an FM-1 on the Block Island shortly before she was lost (p.66). This fighter was part of a composite squadron, VC 55 - it was painted Dark Gull Gray over White (Atlantic anti-sub scheme), with the short-lived red surround to the national markings. This book has a color profile of this aircraft on p. 34. Ned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Ethan Allen >> I've been re-reading The Hunt For Red October and was wondering if anyone knows what class the Ethan Allen was thanks alot << According to Jane's American Fighting Ships of the 20th Century, the Ethan Allen was the lead ship of a five-submarine class - the "Ethan Allen Class." She was joined by the Sam Houston, the Thomas A. Edison, the John Marshall and the Thomas Jefferson. She was laid down on September 14, 1959, launched on November 22, 1960 and commissioned on August 8, 1961. They followed the George Washingtons (which were shipyard conversions) as the first purpose-designed Polaris subs. After serving as boomers for two decades, Janes reported that they were converted to SSNs, with plans to use them in that role for at least five years. However, by the time of Hunt, they would have all been close to 25 years old and way past their prime. Ned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: Friedrich Kappes Subject: Questions Is there anybody out there who can help me with these questions? A 2 class (Norwegian submarines, ~1914, some in German service) date of commission Almirante Lynch ( destroyer 1913) date of commission Amerikaland (Swedish transport ~1925) date of commission Amiens (French sloop 1919) line drawing Aquarius (British RAF-aircraft-tender ~1934) date of commission Aquiles (former Tjaldur, 1953 ) Range Arabis-class (Brit. sloop 1916) line drawing Ardent (Brit. destroyer 1895) line drawing Artemis (AKA-21, USA transport) date of commission Asahi (Japanese ship of the line 1901) line drawing ATF (US tugs WWII) date of commission Banshee (Brit. destroyer 1895) line drawing Berent (former Tur ~1928, Tug) date of commission Black Prince (Norwegian transport ~1938) date of commission Black Watch (Norwegian transport ~1938) date of commission Boxer (Brit. destroyer 1895) line drawing Bruiser (Brit. destroyer 1895) line drawing Thankfully Friedrich Kappes, Germany -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) From: Joel Labow Subject: Revell Kearsarge v. Alabama >> I do see reason for folks who hold copies of the kit that they might want to sell prior to a reissue that would lower its value, fostering the tale. << Colleagues, I regret that Mr. Impenna saw fit to impugn my motives in posting a comparative description of the Alabama and Kearsarge kits, together with speculation as to why the Alabama has been re-released but not Kearsarge. For the record, I own a Kearsarge kit.....someday in the fullness of time I plan to assemble it. In the meantime I will not sell it at any price.....cross my heart and hope to die! I have long had a love affair with Revell and Heller large-scale sailing ship models and would be delighted to see the Kearsarge once again available to modelers. Joel Labow -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31) From: Darren Scannell Subject: INR contacts Howdy folks! Does any one here have any contacts with the people organizing the INR in NY? Or better yet, directly involved in organizing the INR? If so, please contact me off list as I have a couple of questions I need answered before I go down next week that the website doesn't cover. Thanks! Darren Scannell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 32) From: Robert Vancel Subject: Re: 1/350 Konig PE advisory from GMM >> If you've already started your model and have assembled the decks to the hull, don't worry about it - your model will still look fine without these parts in place. Only an unforgiving judge at an IPMS contest will notice. << IE: Someone they pick from the Car modelers, or someone who says they once knew someone who was a friend of the a guy who was related to a friend of the only person to ever actually finish a Revell Constitution that 'didn't' get killed by a cat.. >> (And he will make you pay for your sin, I assure you.) << IE: He will post about it under several different names in major internet groups to 'prove' how bad a modeler the poor shipowner is. Then delcare that the entire thing is a conspiracy when others who were there disagree with his decision. Robert "Hollywood" Vancel/nWMo Al Team # 78 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Jeff Herne" Subject: NY/NJ/CT get together I just threw the idea out there...insofar as dates are concerned, we've got alot of events coming up, the IPMS Nats, South Street Seaport Model Ship Exhibit, LIberty State Park for OpSail, and of course, vacations...all of these conflict with a weekend party Maybe in the latter part of the summer, say, mid to late August? Anyone want to chair this event, since I'm providing the locale? Jeff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: IPMS/SMML get-together >> Please add me to the get-together list. Any time after noon on Friday or all day Saturday is fine with me. << Any time is also fine with me. Maybe we can consider ducking the rubber chicken banquet and holding our own dinner. Then again, there's always the local watering hole :-) Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Model Ship Journal-MAIL COMING If you haven't received your Model Ship Journal premier issue yet, be assured they are enroute. All magazines went out early last week via USPS periodical bulk mail. There is no logical sequence as to when the post office will deliver to various parts of the country. For instance, guys in the Northeast report they received their copies, while my brother in San Diego still has not. If you still haven't received your magazines by Monday the 3rd of July, let me know via e-mail. Foreign orders (outside U.S.) are another story. 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