Subject: SMML VOL 959 Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 01:23:57 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Bob Santos & Mistress Lorna - Co-conspirators 2: Re: US Light Cruisers in Action 3: Re: Plastic Owls 4: Re: Best photo etch tool 5: Re: which list was that again?, etc 6: 1/35 scale owls 7: Re: HR Products 8: Re: US Light Cruisers in Action 9: Re: Handling large decals 10: hold and fold P E tool 11: Foreign ships at Norfolk 12: Queen Mary/HMS Curacao 13: Re: Resin Toxicity 14: Re: Metal Parts 15: Re: Hold and Fold 16: Re: Resin toxicity 17: William Yancey 18: Re: New Warspite site 19: CV-6 1944 refit 20: Pics -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts 1: Re: IPMS Nats get together 2: Re: IPMS Nats SMML list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: July Internet Modeler 2: GMM 1/350 Konig PE sets are now shipping! 3: Another new product from GMM 4: Trophy sponsorship for Nationals 5: Some Books for Sale -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS Welcome to the Canada Day edition of SMML -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Shane Subject: Bob Santos & Mistress Lorna - Co-conspirators Hi gang, I don't know, I turn my back for a night to attend a St John Cadet function & come home to find Mistress Lorna & Bob conspiring ;-). Words fail me, so I'll just say a simple thank you to all concerned. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Poore, Devin" Subject: Re: US Light Cruisers in Action >> right in the middle of the chapter on the Brooklyns. However, the line drawing depicts a post-war version of the USS Helena, CA 75 << I noticed this as well just after purchasing the book. Had me quite confused for a day or two; I had almost convinced myself that she had been modified before her sinking! Devin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: Plastic Owls >> The part that really grabbed my eye was the photo of the Close In Weapon System on the USS Mellon. I noticed the fake owl placed on top of the weapon to keep the sea gulls at bay. << Rusty, BE CAREFUL !!!! This is TRUE!. My one son and his family live aboard their boat full time. The owner of the boat in the next slip put a plastic owl atop his mast to scare seagulls away. A REAL OWL fell in love with that plastic bird and continues to bring sticks and stones as an offering to his intended (owls do that) and of course all this trash falls to the deck. It may be slightly less aromatic than what the seagull leave but still a mess! Cheers, Bob Santos (P.S. I may have a little owl for you, let me look) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Best photo etch tool >> By placing your PE piece on the foam (foam side up) you can work with it very easily. The "sandpaper" backing backing helps keep the foam dense. Using a #11 exacto blade you can make any angle by simpling pressing the PE into the foam. << I have been doing this for some time using a square cut from Styrofoam egg carton. This way you save the money you would spend on sanding pads. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: which list was that again?, etc Marc wrote: 1. >> But nobody wants to LIVE in Western Australia, a place so remote that CBS is thinking of stranding a bunch of people there for it's next instalment of "Survivor." << 2. >> Better be careful or we'll cancel your Homestead Exemption and make you pay income tax -- to California. << 1. Note the typical abject fear of a Texan of a place so big as to swallow Texas several times over. Unlike Texas, W.A. has a delightful climate, low population pressure (only around a million total last time I was down there, and most of them in Perth/Fremantle), and FRIENDLY people! 2. Nah, we don't need income taxes from anyone who'd move to Texas. In fact, you want a few million more Johnny-come-latelys? John Snyder (4th generation Californian whose great-great-grandfather was an actual '49er--and we ain't talking football here) Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys http://www.shipcamouflage.com (Now packing Kevlar body armor for the trip to Dallas) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Tom Detweiler Subject: 1/35 scale owls Rusty, Not knowing very much about scales or anything, I went out and tried to obtain a scale owl for you in the trees around our property in the California Sierras. I want you to know that although they do not in fact have scales, they are feisty little SOBs well equipped with formidable Close In Weapons Systems of their own, so I got pecked and scratched nearly to death and fell out of the tree for my trouble while a rowdy gang of owls watched and laughed. Next time somebody asks ME for a scale owl, I'm just gonna blink and ask, "Who?" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: PT191@aol.com Subject: Re: HR Products H-R PRODUCTS' ADDRESS IS P.O. BOX 67 MCHENRY,IL 60057 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: US Light Cruisers in Action roberto paredes wrote: >> The last week, I bought the US Light Cruisers in Action from Squadron. The book has excellent pictures but it has 2 important errors. The most important is in Brooklyn Class. This class hadn't installed 5"/38 twin mounts (see diagram). << >> Note that the USS Savannah, CL40, was reconstructed with 4 twin 5"/38 mounts replacing the 8 single 5"/25 originally fitted following her extensive damage and near sinking by a German FX-1400 gudied bomb off Salerno. Also, the USS St. Louis, CL-49, and the USS Helena CL-50, very similar ships to the Brooklyns, as initially build, were given 4 twin 5"/38 mounts. Might the diagram in "US Light Cruisers in Action" be one of these two variants? << Brooklyn class cruisers with the twin 5in turrets. There were a number of Brooklyn's that underwent the same reconstruction as the Savannah, which was CL-42. These overhauls took place at the end of the war, so very little is known about them. I am gathering info on these ships to hopefully do one of our books on that class, maybe next year. A word of caution about the US Light Cruisers book. There are a lot of mistakes in that book, so be careful what you use for info. to do any modeling, with that book as a guide. Steve Wiper www.classicwarships.simplenet.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: klmok@home.com Subject: Re: Handling large decals >> BTW I'm using Tango Papa paper and top-coated it with Future. I have no access to microscale liquid decal and mail order firms only shipped UPS ground. << I am not clear about your procedure where you coat the decal (what is Tago Papa paper?) with Future Wax first. Would not Future have bonded the decal to its paper backing making it impossible for you to seperate the decal from the paper? Thus the breakup of your decal lettering. Anyway in place of Microscale and Future Wax I would use a product called Acrylic Extender available in any artists' supply shop. It is a clear white gel used for thinning down artists' acrylic tube paints (and model acrylic paints too) and also to extend their drying time. Thin the Extender gel with a bit of water and paint it onto your glass case. Wet your decal with water and slide it onto that spot with a wet soft brush dipped with the thinned Extender. Manipulate the decal until it is in the place you want it to be. The decal will float on a thin film of Extender and manipulating broken parts (if that happens) of the decal with a brush to line them up again is easy. Use a paper napkin to soak up the excess Extender liquid. The Extender will dry into an invisible coat and your decal will appear as if it is printed on the glass. Kelvin Mok -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Gruffydd3@aol.com Subject: hold and fold P E tool Where can I purchase the hold and fold photo etch tool recently mentioned on the list? Thanks, Rick M -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Michael John Zwierko Subject: Foreign ships at Norfolk For those who live near Norfolk naval station, the following non-U.S. ships are still present as of 29JUN00: DE GRASSE (French TOURVILLE class DDG) MYSORE (Indian DELHI class DDG) There are also a few other unknown foreign ships present (including what appear to be ships from Turkey and Denmark as well as a possible Indian amphibious assault ship). Most of these have been at Norfolk for a while now (at least a week), so check them out if you can. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Michael Eisenstadt Subject: Queen Mary/HMS Curacao Folks: This week I bought the GHQ 1/2400 model of the ocean liner/troop transport RMT Queen Mary, and I've decided I'd like to do a diorama of her tragic collision with HMS Curacao in 1942. Accordingly, I will get the GHQ model of the C class cruisers. So here's my questions: 1) The GHQ model basically shows Queen Mary in her civilian fit, and I will need to "militarize" her. Does anyone know, or can anyone direct me to references that describe Queen Mary's AAA fit at the time of the collision? One source mentions 20mms, rocket launchers (UPs?), and directors. Any additional, more detailed info or references would be greatly appreciated. 2) When serving as a troop transport, was the Queen Mary's deck kept natural teak or overpainted gray? 3) The only photos I've found of HMS Curacao show her in an overall gray scheme, or an overall gray sheme with a semicircular panel painted on her bow. But one eye-witness description of the collision that I found on the internet describes her as being painted in an attractive, complex camouflage scheme (maybe an admiralty disruptive scheme pattern?). Can anyone point me in the direction of photos of Curacao in the scheme she was wearing at the time of the disaster? My thanks in advance for your help! Yours truly, Michael Eisenstadt -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Dave Judy Subject: Re: Resin Toxicity Is Rob a psyck puppy or WHAAAAAT??????? Dave Judy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Metal Parts HR fitings has a website at: http://www.msn.fullfeed.com/~hracct/index.html Full online catalog and ordering information can be found there. Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Hold and Fold >> I have used the H&FPPW (Hold & Fold Photoetched Part Workstation!) and am very pleased with the results. ..... I like it and feel it is worth the (high) asking price. << ...and I can purchase one of these wonderful devices..where?? Thanks! Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Fritz Koopman Subject: Re: Resin toxicity Dear Mr Mackie >> so I fed my miniature poodle equal parts of liquid resin and hardener-1 quart each per day for 1 month. << At least now you know that your faithfull companion must be greatfully indebted to you, as your "polymerized pooch" knows he will never have to endure the agony of dry-rot!! :-) Best regards Fritz Koopman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Kdg345@aol.com Subject: William Yancey Does anyone know of a ship named "William Yancey", I was contacted by a shipmate about this ship because I was a crew member of the USS Yancey AKA-93. Sounds like a destroyer. Ken Groom -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Rick Heinbaugh Subject: Re: New Warspite site Christopher Crofoot wrote: >> Well, I've taken my first venture into the Info Highway. Yep, my first website... It is about building and detailing the Airfix Warspite kit and I will update it as I go. You can find me at: http://www.northnet.net/~crofoot/index.html I'd appreciate any criticism or what you think of speed, colors, etc. << Outstanding! Great colors; the speed is what I deserve for being to cheap to get a topflite ISP. Maybe this will be incentive for me to build one of my stock of Warspites - or some other last-century Airfix ship. Keep it up, Chris! Modeling at the speed of dark, Rick Heinbaugh Seattle, WA Hi Chris, Great site mate. Look forward to seeing more as it goes up. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Schiefet@cs.com Subject: CV-6 1944 refit >> In Aug'44 USS Enterprise (CV-6) received her dazzle scheme and maybe some refit like AA mounts changes and/or adds. What were the differences between the 1943 refit and the 1944 one ? Maybe on 20 mm guns I have references for the 1943 refit, but I'm doing her in the dazzle scheme period. Any tip is very welcome. << Cataldo, Attached is a rely from the CV-6 PAO. Steve Singlar Pelham,NH >> From: ENTCV6PAO@aol.com Subj: Re: CV-6 1944 refit Hello beautiful MADRID, SPAIN! Armament modifications done in 1943 refit at Puget Sound Navy Yard remained with ship rest of war. After Battle of Philippine Sea, ENTERPRISE was under repair at Pearl Harbor 16 JULY 44 TO 4 AUGUST 44 for basic repairs, electronic update and dry-docking for new dazzle paint job and deployed 16 August 44 with Air Group 20. << -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "Ian MacCorquodale" Subject: Pics Hi SMML'ies, Thought I would drop a line to say thanks for all the list members help with regards to Parking in NYC during the International Naval Review. For a sneak preview, I have just posted some pics of an INR participant, the Italian Navy DDG Luigi Durand de La Penne, taken this week in Halifax. A Most Impressive ship. They can be found under International Navies/Italian Navy. http://www.geocities.com/macrachael/ Next posting should be a new site dedicated to the INR and Opsail 2000. Thanks again for all the help, what a great bunch of folks! Cheers, Ian -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Marc Flake Subject: Re: IPMS Nats get together It has been pointed out to me that 30 SMMLies are an awful lot of people to invade a restaurant "Mr. Flake, party of THIRTY!?!" Of course not all the SMMLies attending the show will be able to get together, but I'd like to find a way so that all of us can meet and greet each other all at once. I'm going to check with the convention organizers to see if maybe we can get a hotel meeting room near the convention site, but that may cost some bucks. The other option is that we stake-out a claim on a table(s) with 30 chairs at the banquet and all sit together. What do y'all think? Marc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Marc Flake Subject: Re: IPMS Nats SMML list Updated list (30): David Angleo Derek Brown Bruce Buchner Bradford Chaucer Randy Chisum John Collins James Corley Mike Czibovic Joe Damato Marc Flake Ed Grune Donald Hinton Jim Johnson Gary Kingzett Mark Knowlton Steve Lau Hugh Letterly Dave Miller Art Nicholson Tony Partlow Nathan Pettigrew Mike Quan Kelly Quirk Nat Richards Bruce Ross John Snyder Al Superczynski Rusty White Derek Wakefield Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Bob Pearson" Subject: July Internet Modeler Greetings all, As it is now the first of the month (Happy Birthday Canada), that must mean that the new issue of Internet Modeler is now posted as well. On topic material includes a build of the new-mold Tamiya Musashi by Simon Wolff as well as inbox looks at the Academy 1/600 Titanic and the Dragon Batch 3 type 42 HMS Manchester (alomg with WEM PE). there are also book reviews by Mike Dunn and myself. Regards, Bob Pearson Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Loren Perry Subject: GMM 1/350 Konig PE sets are now shipping! The new Gold Medal Models photoetched sets for the 1/350 scale ICM kits of the WW1 dreadnoughts Konig and Grosser Kurfurst arrived earlier this week and the first orders were shipped today, Friday, June 30. Those who have already ordered them can expect them in their mailboxes Monday or Tuesday (USA) or within a week for all other orders. In addition, several review samples have been sent out to various magazines and websites. Be advised that the first run of fifty sets have mostly been spoken for with pre-orders from the USA, Germany, and various other countries being dealt with first. A few of this initial batch are still on the shelf but will likely be gone by the end of next week. However, the next batch of 100 more sets will arrive here next week, and a steady stream will follow afterward, so the waiting period will soon be over. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Loren Perry Subject: Another new product from GMM Gold Medal Models is about to introduce an all-new set of 3-D relief-etched brass WW2 U.S. Navy Floater Bet Baskets. The set will provide 100 of the two most common standard sizes used on USN warships - 70 of the larger ones and 30 of the smaller. 210 mounting brackets (two for each plus spares) will also be included. All baskets will feature a micro-fine half-thickness screen mesh supported by delicate full-thickness frames for an authentic appearance. The artwork was electronically transmitted to the etchers today and a test piece is expected next week. This set will be GMM No. 350-24 and will be available in a few weeks. Watch this site as well as GMM's home page (www.goldmm.com) for further developments. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Trophy sponsorship for Nationals I have volunteered to try to locate a sponsor for the Best Ship at the IPMS Nationals in Dallas. Penny Thomas is just too covered up with things to do, so I want to help her out. She is seeking, either a personal or corporate sponsor for the Best Ship award. All the other best ofs are sponsored and I thought it would just be a crime if the Best Ship award was the only one left unsponsored. If anyone on this list would like to help out or know someone who can help, I'm sure she would greatly appreciate it. Sponsorship for the Best Ship award is $175.00. Flagship has already sponsored two categories, so I hope someone here will help out. If you can help out contact Penny Thomas at: 2thomas@mailhost.onramp.net Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Some Books for Sale Hi SMML, I have the following books for sale: Lenton, Warships of the British & Commonwealth Navies, 3rd edition 1971, dust jacket, 302 pages, many photographs: US$19.00 plus shipping. Parkin, Out of the Smoke (story of sinking of HMAS Perth and later experiences of her crew), U.S. first edition, 1960, dust jacket, 309 pages, maps & sketches: US$15.00 plus shipping. If interested, please contact me in the next two days. Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume