Subject: SMML VOL 961 Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 23:59:44 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Japanese Submarine losses 42-43 HELP 2: Thank You! 3: Re: Queen Mary 4: Re: Digital Navy 5: Napier & Geelong 6: Australian Navy vs. IJN subs 7: Digital navy site 8: Re: Digital Navy Site 9: Re: Best Ship Trophy Sponsorship ... 10: USS Randall 11: Re: owls 12: Re: resin and hardener 13: Owls..... 14: Mikasa instructions 15: The Monitor Ship JOHN ERIC(S)SON 16: Re: PT Frustrations ... 17: PT Boat Battles 18: Radar Information 19: Chickenowls 20: Australian DDs vs. IJN subs 21: Re: Plastic ship covers 22: finescale modeler 23: Digital Navy Web Address 24: Re: Photoetch Device 25: questions part 2 26: ICM KONIG/GROSSER KURFURST Comments 27: MIRROR LANDING SIGHT DETAIL IMAGES FOR HMS ALBION 28: Invitation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Update on the IPMS Nats in Dallas. 2: Spruance class pix -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Cody Hart Subject: Re: Japanese Submarine losses 42-43 HELP >> Hope someone can help! Met a former Australian sailor who served on both HMAS Geelong and HMAS Napier in WWII. He says that the ships were responsible for the sinking of one Japanese submarine and a half share in another. I would like to track down information details, for both him and my own interest, as to which ships these are attributed to (Geelong or Napier) plus what were the IJN submarines that were lost to these ships?????????????. He thinks it was 42-43 period. Note I do have some information, in Australian books, on the vessels histories but no reference to the actions involving IJN submarine losses! << Hi Simon, Critchell Rimington writes in his "Fighting Fleets-1943", "Naval Minister Shigetaro Shimada, reports on March 12, 1942, five special type submarines were lost". He further states, "Imperial Headquarters reported three midgets lost in raid on Sydney, May 31, 1942. Shimada said 4 regualr subs lost on March 12, 1942. Imperial Headquarters says further that between August 26 and October 25 one more was lost... There are no names of the subs mentioned though...There is some info in this book about the Napier also, with a pic of the Javelin, of which the Napier was a sister to I believe...Hope this helps a bit... Cody & Helen Hart Laughing Cantalope Inc. Osceola, IA. http://www.laughingcantalope.com http://www.brightbuilders.com http://www.myshipmodels.com Bringing a smile to the face of the world -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Michael Eisenstadt Subject: Thank You! Folks: A hearty thank you to all of you who answered my question about Queen Mary and HMS Curacoa! I think I'm well along my way now on this project! Best wishes, Mike Eisenstadt -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: Re: Queen Mary Try MOD Naval Historical Branch in London -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: RhinoBones@aol.com Subject: Re: Digital Navy >> Is the 'Digital Navy' site still in existence? If so, I'd appreciate a link. << The Digital Navy site is alive and doing very well. Following is a link for Digital Navy and a few others that I have found: http://www.digitalnavy.com/ http://er4www.eng.ohio-state.edu/~browns/card-faq/ http://www.ExpressPages.com/p/papermodels/ http://www.harbour.org/models/ http://www.hobbyfactory.com/ http://www.model-dockyard.com/root/toc.asp?order=37364 Currently I'm playing around with the V-108 kit . . . experimenting with applying a urethane coating to the ship's components. Regards, RhinoBones -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Napier & Geelong Hi Simon I think your friend's memory might be at fault. I can find no reference anywhere to either Napier or Geelong attacking and sinking Japanese submarines. The only Australian destroyer recorded as sinking a Japanese submarine was Arunta (RO-33 on 29.8.42). What might have happened is that either ship may have made an attack on what was classed as a submarine contact and also classed optimistically as destroyed. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Lump518176@aol.com Subject: Australian Navy vs. IJN subs Hey Simon, I heard somewhere that the Aussie Navy did not sink any IJN subs. In fact I not sure if any HMAS ship ever sank anything. Thank God for the USN, or "the land down under" would still be speaking Japanese! Hi Lump, I would suggest you recheck your history mate. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Darek L." Subject: Digital navy site >> Is the 'Digital Navy' site still in existence? If so, I'd appreciate a link. << David, The site address is http://www.digitalnavy.com/ It's been there for a while and I am not aware of any problems with it. On the other hand I can tell you that the Roman is working on another battleship model. In card of course. Darek -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Tim Perry" Subject: Re: Digital Navy Site Digital Navy site address is www.digitalnavy.com Tim Perry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Dbrown303@aol.com Subject: Re: Best Ship Trophy Sponsorship ... >> A radical idea from a radical relative newcomer (who's eating his liver that he can't make it to Dallas - my wife doesn't understand that we have a wedding anniversary every year, but IPMS Dallas '00 is a once-in-a-lifetime ... sigh) ... We could (SMML) sponsor it. Toward that end, I will pledge $5 toward the trophy - at that rate, if my math is right, 35 of us could cover the cost. If the 30 who are attending each kick in $5, that leaves only four more non-attendees to contribute. If that doesn't work, I could even go as high as $10 - but I feel $5 a head is a "democratic" way to handle this, assuming anybody but me likes this idea. Sign me IPMS/USA Life Member #5544 << NED, Great idea - if it goes count me in for whatever we need. Derek Brown -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: wswan@popd.ix.netcom.com Subject: USS Randall I just picked up a copy of the old Revell Randall. Can anyone give me any clues on painting this beast? What about the landing craft as well? Thanks, William Swan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: owls >> That's your problem. You're looking in the wrong place for plastic owls in any scale. They only can be found in old growth plastic trees. Since the evil plastic loggers clear cut the plastic trees in Oklahoma none can be found. However, they have been spotted in wooden K Mart signs in the area. Go figure. PS: Where the hell did Barn Owls live before we built barns? << And what happens to hoot owls when no-one gives a hoot?? Inquiring minds want to know - just before they're carted off by the men in white coats :-) Some one better catch a screech own and bring this thread to a screeching halt GD&R Regards, Bradford Chaucer Hey Bradford, Are you suggesting we'd be owling at the moon??? ;->> Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: resin and hardener >> Think I need about a pint of resin and the appropriate hardener, have three ships in the ways, and think this will be sufficient, will use all at one time. << Why bother, just make some internal ribs and pads out of thick styrene and glue them into the hulls at the appropriate points. Two or three should do it. >> Also where is a good source to get molded seamless plastic covers for the models, am using 6" x 27" and 6" x 29" planks of very fancy burl walnut for the bases. Have spent some time on a lathe making some fancy standoffs and at the point now where the finished hulls need protection. The height of the cases need be 9 -11 inches respectively. All dimensions are internal. << There is no way you're going to find a molded one piece cover in clear plastic that will be clear and distortion free enough for your purposes. Certainly not that large. You're better off making the cases out of glued up sections of polycarbonate (Lexan) or something similar. If you don't like the seams/joints in the plastic, make a walnut frame to make the edges intentionally a continuation of the base. Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Michael Dunn" Subject: Owls..... John Snyder punned : >> Owl's well that ends well... << Shane just had to chime in with : >> Aw well, who gives a hoot anyway ;-þ << Well, I'd say just a pair of toowit-toowoos...... Hi, Who, Who, who Mistress Lorna -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Pieter Cornelissen Subject: Mikasa instructions Hi gang, last week I found a Hi-Mold Mikasa at a nearby hobby shop at the before-yen-rise price of 99 guilders (about $50). It is a very nice kit (hard to see how Seals models could do it better), but i'm a bit puzzeled by the instructions. Apart from being in japanese (which is a little annoying as I don't speak japanese) there is nothing about the attaching of the photo-etch part in the kit. There is, however one blank page (of four pages). Could someone who still has the kit's instructions please check if this is supposed to be the case. Ideas on how to use the photo-etch parts (apart from rails and ladders of course) are als very welcome. Pieter Cornelissen Delft The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: URUDOFSKY@aol.com Subject: The Monitor Ship JOHN ERIC(S)SON Does anyone know anything about monitors? The 1:1250 scale Mercator monitor model is inscribed "J. Ericson (sic), M 220, made in West Germany". It is listed in the Wiedling Register as "John Ericsson (sic), BM, 1866, M 220, Sweden". However, John Ericsson worked for the US Navy Department as a monitor designer in 1863 according to the latest issue of NAVAL HISTORY, Vol. 14, page 52, 2000. Question: Is this model a Swedish or an American monitor? Does anyone know anything about John Ericsson. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: PT191@aol.com Subject: Re: PT Frustrations ... Frustrated Ned, Do not lose heart Ned. H-R PRODUCTS has 20mms, 40mm and depth charges in 1:72, .... or at least - they used to. As for the radars, torpedoes and the other items you mentioned, ... scratch build them, or, use parts from other kits. There is a 1:72 scale 37mm field piece that is a part of a Willys Jeep/gun package that can be easily modified into a late war Oldsmobile 37mm - see my article on PT-171 in the latest issue of the IPMS/USA Journal. As for the .50 caliber guns? Scrounge 'em? And as for the late war torpedoes? I have it on the best authority that there's a TBF kit that has the Mark XIII torpedoes that goes great with the Revell kit. If you have any questions, you can write me off board. T. Garth Connelly -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Norman C. Samish" Subject: PT Boat Battles There were a lot of PT boats build and used in WW2, but a quick search found no battles where the PT boats actually used their torpedoes against the enemy. I'm sure there were many - could one of you experts direct me to this information? Thanks. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: CA139JOHNF@aol.com Subject: Radar Information Fellow Shipmodelers, I admit to being nearly totally ignorant on the different types of radars carried aboard naval vessels. Thusly I am looking for an information source to assist me in reconstructing the missing antennas on our recently acquired brass model of the USS Saint Paul (CA73) in 1/48 scale (14 feet long!). I need diagrams or drawings that can be measured. I have searched for Friedman"s Naval Radar without success. HELP! John Frohock USNSM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Chickenowls WOW! I have been totally floored by the great response to Model Ship Journal. Thank you all. Now about those owls... Does anyone remember the 1/35th accessory set Tamiya put out a few years back that included a set of barnyard animals and chickens? Don't know if it's still available, but maybe with a little magic putty, one could cluck together an owl. Sure would keep those gulls from "fowling" up the styrene decks and it would really be a "hoot" if it worked! TTFN, Victor Baca -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "Jeff Herne" Subject: Australian DDs vs. IJN subs I have 2 sources, one US the other Japanese, that list the war losses, unfortunately, both give different information. A copy of the USN report "Disposition of the Imperial Japanese Navy", dated 1946 by Admiral King, lists losses of IJN vessels...the data is not concise, notes that the Japanese submarine RO-33 was sunk by an Australian DD on 29 August 1942, southeast of New Guinea. You may also want to look into the losses of the following (snipped from the report): I-1, sunk by New Zealand and Australian corvettes, 29 January 1943 off Guadalcanal I-17, sunk by Allied (not specific) surface craft, 19 August 1943 off New Caledonia I-124, sunk by Allied (again, not specific) surface craft, 20 January 1942 off Port Darwin Ro-110, sunk by Allied sloops (??), 11 February 1944, off Vizagapatam, India ***** The Japanese source, 'The End of the Imperial Japanese Navy' by Masanori Ito, declares the following: Ro-33 was sunk by the Australian DD Arunta, on 29 August 1942, at 9 degrees, 36 minutes south by 147 degrees 6 minutes east. I-1 was sunk by New Zealand trawlers Moa & Kiwi off Guadalcanal on 29 January 1943 I-124 was sunk off Port Darwin, 20 January 1942 by USS Edsall, HMAS Deloraine, Lithgow, and Katoomba RO-110 was sunk off India by an Indian trawler and RAN minesweeper (no name) Neither source lists any other Japanese sub losses to RAN or RNZN vessels... Sorry, Jeff Herne (Crawling back into the musty file cabinet) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Plastic ship covers >> Also where is a good source to get molded seamless plastic covers for the models, am using 6" x 27" and 6" x 29" planks of very fancy burl walnut for the bases. << You can find them at the Classic Warships site as well as Pacific Front Hobbies. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "RBFISH" Subject: finescale modeler I have the Jan.1992 Edition "10th Anniversary Special Issue", of Finescale Modeler, with 1\72 photos of the USS Enterprise, with colour, and B&W photos, anyone not having this issue Plezze, contact me as I'll be scanning all photo's for those that missed that one. Ps! great detail in showing aircraft on the flight deck plus much more!, Bruce Fish -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: "Michael D'Silva" Subject: Digital Navy Web Address Hi David, Digital Navy's Web address is: www.digitalnavy.com Michael D'Silva Melbourne, Australia -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: "Bob Pearson" Subject: Re: Photoetch Device >> I, too, am interested in obtaining one of these magical photoetch hold and fold devices. I could not find it in the current Internet Modeler, which, of course, changed on 1 July. A manufacturer or supplier and their address would be appreciated. << I'm not sure of the exact URL, however the relevant issue and section is: http://www.internetmodeler.com/june2000/new-releases/index.html Regards, Bob Pearson Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: Friedrich Kappes Subject: questions part 2 Here there are some more questions: Capricieux, La (French ship 4th rate, 1689) seaworthyness, fighting qualities Chasan (Sowjet rivergunboat ~1939) date of commission Charles Galley (Brit. galley, ~1670) date of commission, seaworthyness, fighting qualities Chiang Hsi (Chinese rivergunboat ~1911) date of commission Chogai = Chogei (Japanese tender 1923) line drawing, name, date of commission of her first aircraft CMB 40ft (Brit. MTBs of WWI) line drawing CMB 55ft (Brit. MTBs of WWI) line drawing CMB 70ft (Brit. MTBs of WWI) line drawing Commandant Teste (French seaplane carrier 1932) line drawings, names, dates of commission of her first aircraft Cordoba (Argentinian destroyer 1912) line drawing Dalmazia (civil passenger & cargo freighter) date of commission Daring (Brit destroyer 1952) line drawing If anybody can help, please do so! Friedrich -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: "Pletscher-Lenz-Schneider" Subject: ICM KONIG/GROSSER KURFURST Comments Hi all After the first reports, I was very eager to get me a KONIG kit. I also got - unexpectedly - a kit of GROSSER KURFURST for reviewing. At first glance, I was impressed with the details, but first dissapiontment came when I found out that both kits are identical. Regarding their price and the fact that the box top art shows KONIG in her 1918 appearance and GROSSER KURFURST with the torpedo nets of the 1914-16 configuration, one could consider this as an "act of hostility". On the other hand, even the centrespread of the building instructions shows GROSSER KURFURST with torpedo nets, and there are also some small markings on the hull sides where the torpedo net spares should be fixed. Further there were rumors that the moulds for the hull of GROSSER KURFURST got damaged. One can, therefore, speculate if this is the reason, but, whatsoever, this would be no excusion. A closer look on the kit reveals some significant drawbacks. The fitting of parts is only mediocre or even poor at some points. The wooden planking on the main deck and the fo'c'sel and battery deck is shown in the obsolete moulded-on manner while it is engraved on the first deck of the fore superstructure. Unfortunately, this deck was not planked but layed with linoleum. Also there seemingly was some confusion with the different configuratuions of the ships of this class. The foremast in the kit actually is that of KRONPRINZ in her first fitting. KONIG in her post-1916 configuration should have a second lookout stand as shown in the centrspread drawing. But then, all the 8,8 cm guns in the fore superstructure were removed. For GROSSER KURFURST in her 1914 configuration, these guns are correct. But she had a pole mast with a crows nest instead of the tube mast with the heavy gunnery director stand at that time. Also the upper bridge platform was not carried by her. The only ship you can build out of the box with no major reconstruction seems to be KRONPRINZ as in early 1917 when the torpedo nets were already removed, and the second lookout stand was not yet added to the foremast. You only have to ommit both bridge decks above the armored control stand, and there were only two 8,8 cm AA guns on the after superstructure. The best you can do at the time, however, seems to be waiting until a propper conversion kit is available. Summing up, these kits are not the ten-strikes we all have expected, and they are not quite what one could expect from that price and from ICM's reputation.But they are new injection moulded models for the "big-scalers", and they are models of very interseting ships - and this is, after all, still a lot. Let's hope, ICM will make it better next time. Falk Pletscher -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: "NICK & JOY ROGERS" Subject: MIRROR LANDING SIGHT DETAIL IMAGES FOR HMS ALBION I have a friend who has built a 1/96 scale R.C. model of the carrier HMS Albion. (built by Swan Hunter,commissioned May 1954) It is complete and pondworthy. However,during our soggy New Zealand winter he is re-visiting its detailing. Can anyone tell me where to find internet images of this clever Royal Navy widget? Or must I trudge into town and check out the Conway M.P. Anatomy of the Ship `HMS Victorious' at the Central Library.I seem to recall seeing something about it there. Panic attack:- did Victorious have the same kind of Mirror Landing Sight as Albion? Thanks in advance from a battleship fan. Nick Rogers Auckland,New Zealand. Hi Nick, I don't know if it'll be any help or not, but try searching for pics of HMAS Melbourne - she had the mirror landing system as well iirc. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: Friedrich Kappes Subject: Invitation This is an invitation to everybody who´s interested to join the new egroup "navalships". By the way, does anybody have the book Jung/Jentschura/Mickel "Die japanischen Kriegsschiffe 1869-1945" I don´t know the English version´s title, it should be "The Japanese Warships 1869-1945" or something like that. It was first published in 1970 in Munich (= München). Could somebody send me copies of the entries concerning - Asahi (1900) - Chogai (1923) - Hosho (1922) - Shimushu (1940) - Yoshino (1893) Thank you. Friedrich Kappes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Ed Grune Subject: Update on the IPMS Nats in Dallas. Latest numbers from yesterday's [Sunday's] IPMS meeting: * 1510 confirmed room nights at the hotel * 319 tables sold to 103 vendors (a sell out) * About 350 advance reservations -- historically one-half of the registered convention attendees have pre-registered. The best-attended convention in recent years was Dayton with over 1000 registered attendees. Next was Virginia Beach with almost 900. * All of the "Best-of" trophy packages are sold. There are still some split trophy packages available to be sold. Ill health has forced one of our Congressional Medal of Honor keynote speakers to change his plans and tell us that he will not be able to attend. We have two others confirmed and are working on confirming another. It is planned that the Medal of Honor recipients will speak Thursday, Friday, and Saturday. Ed Mansfield, TX one of your hosts from IPMS-NCT -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Spruance class pix In regard to the request for Spruance class photos in SMML #960. Model Ship Journal will be running a multi-page photo feature on the Spruance class destroyer USS David R. Ray (DD-971) in the September issue. We will be hand printing these beauties. They're nice, sharp images showing all kinds of deck detail. We even got shots showing the full interior of the bridge for modelers building larger scale models. The USS David R. Ray features the Tomahawk vertical missile launchers forward. Unlike images presented on computer screens (jpegs, etc at 70 dpi) these shots will be done utilizing a 175 line per inch screen to pull out as much fine detail as possible on the printed page. Best Regards Victor Baca -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume