Subject: SMML VOL 962 Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 01:49:56 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: PT Boats 2: HMS Jersey models? 3: Re: US Navy radars reference 4: Fletcher Class destroyer 5: Re: PT BOAT BATTLES 6: PT boats 7: Revell Miniships 8: Re: Napier & Geelong, PT Boat Attacks 9: Konig/Grosser Kurfurst more comments 10: Christmas comes early! or Why I married my wife 11: Re: Owls the last word 12: Resin and hardner 13: Re: PT Boat Battles 14: Re: Pt Boats 15: Re: Australian Navy vs. IJN subs 16: Geelong and Napier 17: The Monitor Ship JOHN ERIC(S)SON 18: Baseless concerns 19: Battling Mosquito Boats 20: Buying 4 Avengers for their Torpedos (i.e., modeling as usual ) 21: Brookhurst Hobbies 22: To Lump 23: Hood 24: Re: Photo-etch device 25: PT battles 26: Re: Australian Navy vs. IJN subs 27: Re: PT Boat Battles 28: IJN submarine losses 29: Re: Owls 30: Museums to visit in Victoria, BC (Canada) 31: Re: Australian Navy vs. IJN subs 32: July 4 33: Re: Owls 34: Tomahawk missile launcher 35: jap subs 36: lump 37: Napier, Geelong, John Ericsson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts 1: Olympics -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: APMA meeting this Saturday 2: USS Hornet Chapter meeting 3: WTB: HMS Campbeltown -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS Welcome to the United States Independence Day Issue of SMML To all the yanks out there - have a good day ;-) Shane & Lorna -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Charlie Jarvis Subject: Re: PT Boats >> There were a lot of PT boats build and used in WW2, but a quick search found no battles where the PT boats actually used their torpedoes against the enemy. I'm sure there were many - could one of you experts direct me to this information? << I'm not really an expert, but you can try PT Boats, Inc. at: http://www.ptboats.org/ Charlie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Joseph Poutre Subject: HMS Jersey models? Hello all, Does anyone know of models of either 20th century HMS Jersey? The first was a J-class DD, sunk off Malta in 1939. The second is/was P295, an Island class patrol vessel. Also, do you know of any others? I'm working on models of ships named after places in New Jersey, and thought that models of ships named after our namesake might be an interesting addition to the bunch. Thanks! JoeP Co-webmaster, Battleship New Jersey Historical Museum Society http://www.bb62museum.org/ Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: BSteinIPMS@aol.com Subject: Re: US Navy radars reference >> I admit to being nearly totally ignorant on the different types of radars carried aboard naval vessels. Thusly I am looking for an information source to assist me in reconstructing the missing antennas on our recently acquired brass model of the USS Saint Paul (CA73) in 1/48 scale (14 feet long!). I need diagrams or drawings that can be measured. I have searched for Friedman"s Naval Radar without success. HELP! << John: A very nicely done reference on SUMNER & GEARING DDs has an extensive, although not all-inclusive, listing of naval radars and antennae, as well as ECM/ESM equipment, antennae, and aerials. Many photos and illustrations are to be found there as well: "Sumrall, Robert F., Sumner-Gearing Class Destroyers - Their design, weapons, and equipment, Naval Institute Press, Annapolis, MD, 1995" Good photos and drawings, some color, recommended. Even though this title deals with these classes of DDs, the radar and other electronic gear listed and illustrated were used on FLETCHERs and a wide variety of other naval vessels. Bob Steinbrunn Minneapolis Member, Nautical Research Guild Louisiana Naval War Memorial - USS Kidd, DD 661 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Alberto Rada" Subject: Fletcher Class destroyer Dear friends A friend of mine is offering me a USS Kidd , Fletcher Class Destroyer by "Bluejacket Shipcrafters , it has a wooden hull plus all the fittings in white metal and photoetch brass, now the cover indicates a scale of 1/16" but the model is 23 1/2' so I figure it is somewhere in the 1/192 region, can someone please give me the exact scale ? Also any one knows this model ? any recommendations ? SALUDOS Alberto Rada -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: PT191@aol.com Subject: Re: PT BOAT BATTLES Go to WWW.PTBOATS.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Friedrich Kappes Subject: PT boats I read of some people searching for infos on PTboats in here, so I do the same: Is there anybody out there who can send me line drawings of PTboats? Pleeze!! Friedrich -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: Revell Miniships Has anyone here built any of the Revell-Germany 1:1200 Miniship kits? While doing some cleaning this weekend I rediscovered their kit of the Missouri a friend gave me as a b-day present a few years back. It looks typical of Revell's US battleship models. All the 20mm's (as well as the 40mm's) are molded to the deck. The 20mm sheilds are grossly too large (as are the lifefloats molded to the deck). The 40mms look too small. The 20mm tub at the prow looks horrendously too big/thick, The armored belt extends all the way up to the weather deck. You get the idea... I've never dealt with a ship kit this small before, but I'm considering seeing if I might be able to do something with it later this year. I'm not sure if there's anything that can be done to correct these flaws given the size, but I thought I'd ask. Any ideas, suggestions, etc would be appreciated. Go Navy! _|_o_|_ Derek "Tiger" (/\)akefield /---(.](o)[.)---\ iscandar@chatter.com o oo O oo o http://www.iscandar-66.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Re: Napier & Geelong, PT Boat Attacks Hi SMML, I would suggest checking the indices in Rohwer & Hummelchen's Chronology of the War at Sea 1939-45 and in Hermon Gill's two-volume history of the Royal Australian Navy in WWII for information on any attacks the Napier and Geelong may have made on Japanese submarines. As for what enemy ships the RAN accounted for in WWII, I'm sure others will respond and this will be a very lively topic, but I can offhand think of the Bartolomeo Colleoni, the Kormoran, and the Japanese ships sunk by the Perth and Houston at Sunda Strait. I strongly suspect the Stuart and the rest of the Scrap-Iron Flotilla accounted for some Axis ships in the Med. As for actual torpedo attacks made by US PT boats in WWII, the first one that comes to mind is the sinking of the Japanese destroyer Teruzuki by US PT boats off Guadalcanal on December 12, 1942. The Teruzuki was an Akizuki-class destroyer and was thus a very valuable ship. Cheers, Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Subject: Konig/Grosser Kurfurst more comments Hi Everyone, Having read through Falk Pletchers comments on the ICM Konig/ Grosser Kurfurst kits I must say that I am breathing a sigh of relief. I made the very same observations to Caroline at WEM HQ last week and since then I have been questioning my own sanity. A brand new super duper ship kit, and Hall has been finding fault with it, I imagined them saying. All I can say now is that I am glad I held back, and studied both sets of kit parts as well as the plans. The conversion kit that Falk spoke about is almost complete, giving an replacement set of masts in White Metal. The remaining lower bridge roof and torpedo net shelves and davits are included on the PE fret, which I am in the process of adjusting. I have had to delete the Torpedo Nets themselves to allow for the parts to make the GK as it should be. But they will be available seperately for those of you who still like a challenge. I am sorry that I have been a bit slow in getting the WEM detail set ready, but I have been building a Konig whilst doing the images to ensure a correct fit. I shall have to take it apart again now, to put the fittings in, Ah well.................. Thanks to Falk, and I second his comments completely. Happy Modelling Peter Hall WEM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Christmas comes early! or Why I married my wife I have been really working to increase my reference library for the last year. My favorite series of books is the Anatomy of the Ship series because of the wealth of drawings, artwork and information in each issue. Unfortunately due to the fact that these are such fine books they go for a premium, especially those that are out of print. If you doubt what I say, check out the Yamato book on eBay (which I have). With two days left for bidding it is now at $85.00! I just had to resign myself to the fact that it would take some time to accumulate the AOTS books I wanted. My wife and I were looking at garage sales over the weekend and we came across a fellow who had NINE mint condition AOTS books!!!! I literally went weak kneed when I noticed that this fellow wanted $25.00 for each book!!!!!!!! The Intrepid, Gambier Bay AAAALLLLGGGHHHHH (ala Homer Simpson), the Destroyer Campbelltown, Battleship Hood, Warspite, Victorious, Belfast, Bartolomeo Colleoni and Colonial Merchantman Susan Constant. I checked out every page of each book for about an hour until I could hold back the saliva no longer. Unfortunately with the Nationals trip coming up, I just couldn't spend that kind of money for the books regardless how good a deal it was. It just broke my heart to walk away from a deal like that. On the way home my wife could tell how badly I wanted the collection even though I didn't say another word about it. Just before we turned into the drive, she said, "Let's go back and get the books." I explained with the trip coming up it wouldn't be smart at this time and if he still had them when we got back, I could get them then. "We'll have Christmas early this year and dip into the savings for the books." To make the story short, the books are now in my possession and I now know beyond any shadow of doubt why I married my wife. I have happily exchanged my Christmas for the books, but there's no doubt in my mind that a gift will still be under the tree with my name on it from my beloved wife come Christmas time. Signing off with a tear in my eye. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Owls the last word I agree. Let's bring this owl subject to screeching halt. Bob Santos is flying a couple of owls my way. That begs a question concerning my model. Has anyone ever seen a CIWS at rest with the barrels at any angle except 90 degrees? I have tons of photos and not one shows sitting at any elevated position. The only reason I ask this, is my model as built is slightly elevated for a more interesting look. Obviously, I can't put my owl on an elevated gun if doesn't sit elevated when not in operation. Oh well, I'll just have to build another! Thanks again Bob. NO MORE OWL PUNS, PLEASE! Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Brian Fawcett" Subject: Resin and hardner To beef up plastic parts,I suggest you go to your nearest R/C aircraft shop and purchase some 1 hour epoxy resin. If you use the fast cast 2 part resins you could well have problems with the hull moving due to the heat given off by the resin as it cures. I use the epoxy for lots of jobs, including building up vac-form mouldings. If you keep the resin cool, I stays thick and so you can spread enough on to the plastic to make it quite strong. The fast cast resins tend to be too thin for this job in my experience. Hope this helps, Brian. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: PT Boat Battles Norman, The number of battles in which USN PTs used their torpedo armament is too numerous to cite here. Suffice it to say that in the Pacific they began using them in the opening days of the war in the Philippines, used them again in the Solomons campaign, and in the Battle of Surigao Strait during the Leyte landings. They also used them in the Med against such targets as German F-lighters and the like. There are a number of good sources. Contact me off-list if you want a bibliography (or heck, I could post it here if there's enough interest). John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys http://www.shipcamouflage.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Re: Pt Boats Hi Norman I'm sure you'll get a lot of responses but you can start with the Battle of Surigao Strait. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "FCR" Subject: Re: Australian Navy vs. IJN subs Hello to all Lump wroye >> I not sure if any HMAS ship ever sank anything. << Does the names HMAS Perth or Sydney tells you something??? And Probably much more. Filipe C. Ramires Lisboa, PORTUGAL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "wblad" Subject: Geelong and Napier A check of "Submarines of the Imperial Japanese Navy," by Carpenter & Polmar, lists no Japanese subs sunk by either vessel. Incidentally, Napier (G.97) was the leader of the N-Class destroyers and Geelong (J.201) was a Bathurst-Class Minesweeping Sloop. Other Australian ships did get credit for sinking Japanese subs but not these two.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Kenneth H. Goldman" Subject: The Monitor Ship JOHN ERIC(S)SON The short answer about John Ericsson is that he was the designer of the Union Navy's USS MONITOR, the doughty little vessel that probably could have destroyed CSS VIRGINIA (ex USS MERRIMAC) if the Navy had followed his original specifications on the guns and powder charges. Ken Goldman THE WALRUS AND THE CARPENTER http://www.wman.com/~khgold/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Baseless concerns >> There is no way you're going to find a molded one piece cover in clear plastic that will be clear and distortion free enough for your purposes. Certainly not that large. You're better off making the cases out of glued up sections of polycarbonate (Lexan) or something similar. If you don't like the seams/joints in the plastic, make a walnut frame to make the edges intentionally a continuation of the base. << Some small aquariums might fit the bill - they come in all sizes, and some are all-glass (put together with clear silicon). Also less expensive than custom-made. Also great if you're modeling sunken ships (they're water-tight) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Battling Mosquito Boats >> There were a lot of PT boats build and used in WW2, but a quick search found no battles where the PT boats actually used their torpedoes against the enemy. I'm sure there were many - could one of you experts direct me to this information? << Except for the Naval Battle of Guadalcanal, the deperate defense of Manila Bay, the battle of Surigao Straits three years later, a whole slew of night-actions up and down the Solomons and a few late-war strikes in the Philippines, several actions off New Guinea, numerous torpedo actions in the Med and lots of anti-sub attacks, I can't think of any off the top of my head . Seriously, any competent book on the subject, from Devil Boats to PT Boats at War (Polmar and SL Morison), could give you lots of details. Ned Barnett -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Buying 4 Avengers for their Torpedos (i.e., modeling as usual ) >> see my article on PT-171 in the latest issue of the IPMS/USA Journal. As for the .50 caliber guns? Scrounge 'em? And as for the late war torpedoes? I have it on the best authority that there's a TBF kit that has the Mark XIII torpedoes that goes great with the Revell kit. If you have any questions, you can write me off board. << Garth I didn't realize that this was your article - I've got a PT article in a current journal right here and have poured through it twice already. In this post, I especiallly value your suggestion about the TBF - though buying four kits just for the torps is almost a bit much for me (- hey, maybe I could make a diorama of Flight-19's in-formation ditching maneuver next to that Bermuda Triangle alien saucer craft ... ) As I recall, you commissioned another modeler to build it to your specs (is that the right article?). If so, I didn't agree with all of the modelers choices (but we all have to make choices); most specifically, I don't yet see clearly how the 1/72 jeep-towed gun (which I have) could easily be converted to an Oldsmobile cannon - though I may not have a choice, and I am keeping my options open. However, that article is currently my second-most-valued right-next-to-my-desk reference, right after the classic Dr. Don Albert article of 22 years ago (Don's an old friend from my IPMS Quarterly editing days, so that may bias my choice ). Thanks again, Garth. Any other suggestions most welcome! Ned Barnett -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Brookhurst Hobbies Has gone over to wargaming - they no longer carry modeling accessories, apparently. This in response to a request for Aeroclub or H-R accessories: Ned, Sorry we do not carry the detail parts you are looking for. Try the Fine Scale Modeler Mag. for a company called Dromedary, they specialize in ship parts. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "katzcom" Subject: To Lump I'd put on a flak jacket mate, cause your last post may just set off a new war :) Have you never heard of HMAS Sydney, and the other WW2 Cruisers. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: "katzcom" Subject: Hood I have just watched the story of the Hood on sky history channel tonight (UK). So good even showed some colour footage of her in the war. On Wednesday night there is a 2 hour "sink the Bismarck" not the film, can't wait. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: "Judy Graham" Subject: Re: Photo-etch device T he tool is called "The Hold and Fold", and in addition to the to the standard tool, there are 3 other tools/accessories. These include: 1. Extra Reach Attachment (for the standard 4" tool) 2. The 8" Hold and Fold (for big projects) 3. Rolling Set (for curved and round parts) This company advertises regularly in Fine Scale Modeler,and has a web site at www.thesmallshop.com, and e-mail at smallshop@ipns.com. So far I have only the standard 4" tool, but they all look "indispensable" for a modeller. The company is called "The Small Shop", and the address is: The Small Shop, PO Box 2701, Battle Ground, WA., 98604, USA. To change the subject, someone out there was looking for 1/72nd scale guns for a PT Boat project, (based on the Revell PT 109 kit?). For the M2 50 Cal. heavy machine guns, a Czech Resin manufacturer will soon be releasing 2 accessory kits of these weapons, for 1/72nd scale aircraft. The company is called "AIRES", and the kits will be: 1. AIRES Resin Kit, #AR 7037, Browning M2 50 Cal. M.G.'s (Waist Mounts) 2. " " " , #AR 7040, Browning M2 50 Cal. M.G.'s (Wing Mounted) I don't know how many guns are to be provided in each kit, or when they are to be released, but I've seen some of their 1/48th scale work, and it's very good. Their web-site is: www.aires.cz. For the 37mm Anti Tank gun, as carried by PT 109 at the time of her loss, Hasegawa, make sone (along with a Willy's Jeep), in 1/72nd scale. For the hand-operated Bofors 40mm Gun, (Mk. 3?), Airfix produced a 40mm gun on a wheeled carriage, with a Gun Tractor. The gun, minus it's wheeled undercarriage looks much like the hand-operated Mk. 3 mounting, similar to what is shown in the Squadron/Signal Publication on US PT boats. Hope all this helps. Cheers, Chris Preston, Victoria, B.C. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "S Sachsen" Subject: PT battles >> There were a lot of PT boats build and used in WW2, but a quick search found no battles where the PT boats actually used their torpedoes against the enemy. I'm sure there were many - could one of you experts direct me to this information? << one primary source for torpedoes vs. enemy ships is the book 'They Were Expendable'. an interesting tidbit in this is that their torpedoes were effective--until they reloaded from a submarine. all the subsequent torpedoes failed. I was reminded of all the uproar from submariners about dud torpedoes in the early days of the war. could it be that prewar PT torpedoes were okay, but subsequent early war 'improved' torpedoes were the duds? Just a speculation.... s -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: CBNJBB62@aol.com Subject: Re: Australian Navy vs. IJN subs Hi Guys About the HMAS Napier and Geelong perhaps they should try the RAN itself. They have a website ...I don't know if they have archive information on it but what would it hurt to ask. Craig Hi Gang, The url for the Official RAN site is: http://www.navy.gov.au/ Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: "Erhardtsen" Subject: Re: PT Boat Battles >> There were a lot of PT boats build and used in WW2, but a quick search found no battles where the PT boats actually used their torpedoes against the enemy. I'm sure there were many - could one of you experts direct me to this information? << Fuso and Yamashiro in the Layte Gulf battles Erik Erhardtsen -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: "Rees, Graham" Subject: IJN submarine losses >> Hope someone can help! Met a former Australian sailor who served on both HMAS Geelong and HMAS Napier in WWII. He says that the ships were responsible for the sinking of one Japanese submarine and a half share in another. I would like to track down information details, for both him and my own interest, as to which ships these are attributed to (Geelong or Napier) plus what were the IJN submarines that were lost to these ships?????????????. He thinks it was 42-43 period. Can anyone help PLEASE!......... don't let me beg.. okay I'll beg....BEG Note I do have some information, in Australian books, on the vessels histories but no reference to the actions involving IJN submarine losses! << Simon, Further info may be of assistance. Source "Japanese Submarines of the IJN 1904-1945", Carpenter & Polmar, Conway Maritime Press Ltd, 1986. ISBN 0 85177 396 6 Do you want me to bring it to the APMA meeting (this Saturday I think), otherwise contact me off list? There are photos and line drawings of some subs/classes. The ship name index in the book does not mention either Napier or Geelong (but there is no detail on the Japanese Army subs). I-1 Scouting submarine J1 type 1,970 tons std (pp 34 & 91) Sunk 29.1.43 (HMNZS Tui & Kiwi & Moa anti-sub trawlers) damaged near Guadalcanal. Sub run aground. Executive officer & 50 survivors to Guadalcanal. 1-17 Scouting submarine B1 type 2,198 tons std (pp 35 & 101) Sunk 19.8.43 (HMNZS Tui trawler & 2 US aircraft) 40 miles South-East of Noumea Bay. I-124 (ex I-24) Minelaying submarine KRS type 1,142 tons std (pp 19 & 89) Sunk 20.1.42 (USS Edsall (DD 219) & 3 Australian minesweepers) with all hands (including division commander Captain Keiyu Endo) in water 40' deep Clarence Strait (near Darwin). USN divers recovered naval code books. RO-33 Medium submarine K5 type 700 tons std (pp 28 & 122) Sunk 29.8.43 (HMAS Arunta) 10 miles South-East of Port Moresby, New Guinea. RO-110 Medium Submarine KS type 525 tons std (pp 44 & 123) Sunk 11.2.44 (HMIS Jumna (sloop) & HMAS Ipswich & Launceston (minesweepers) 17 miles South of Vizgapatam (had departed Penang for Bay of Bengal). Graham Rees -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: "RICHARDSON, WILLIAM R [AG/1630]" Subject: Re: Owls INQUIRE ABOUT OWLS AT A MODEL RAILROAD HOBBY STORE. IF THEY DO NOT HAVE THEM IN STOCK, THEY CAN ORDER THEM FROM DIFFERENT COMPANIES (PREISER, MODEL POWER, ETC.). I AM SURE THEY COME IN HO (1/87TH) AND O (1/43RD?) SCALES. THEY CAN FIND THEM IN WALTHER'S CATALOG. BILL R -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) From: Charles Leo Subject: Museums to visit in Victoria, BC (Canada) I went to Victoria, BC last week and managed to see two museums that have excellent ship models before cutting the trip short and returning home to deal with a family emergency. The Royal BC Provincial Museum is located across the street from the Parliament Buildings and the Empress Hotel on the Inner Harbour, and the Maritime Museum is about 6 blocks north on Bastion Square (situated in an old courthouse). The Provincial Museum has a mockup of the stern section of Vancouver's Discovery (1789 ship of that name) with his cabin, along with a lot of vessels named for places in the Province or related to its history. The Maritime Museum is wonderful, and has numerous models of all sorts of vessels spread over 3 floors, including one half-hull with the plating diagram for that vessel (a freighter) worked out on it, as well as examples of engine rooms and other equipment. It also has good displays on historical sailing vessels, BC Ferries, military vessels and working vessels (fishing and whaling). Allow several hours to visit this one; I recommend eating before you go in, because hunger makes it hard to concentrate (as does a partner who is complaining about being hungry). For those who don't know, Greenpeace's Rainbow Warrior is the ex-HMCS James Bay, a former minesweeper. Wear comfortable shoes for both, because there's a lot of walking and climbing of stairs. The Provincial Museum per-person entry fee was C$8, and the Maritime Museum's fee was C$5. Adds up fast if you have many in your party. There is an excellent multi-storey car park next to the Maritime Museum, which is very nice if you're there when the weather is warm - you can park in the shade. 31C makes for a roasty-toasty car after a day of walking through museums, even with a sunscreen. There is a third museum that I found out about the morning we were leaving. I was told by a naval officer (who paralleled my course for about 1/2 block while I was walking my dog) that it just moved into new quarters at the Esquimalt Naval Facility. ENF is about 15 minutes southwest of downtown Victoria. Photography is permitted in both museums, except that there is a "no flash" requirement when imaging uniforms at the Maritime Museum. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31) From: CBNJBB62@aol.com Subject: Re: Australian Navy vs. IJN subs Hi Guys I have some news on those RAN ships in question. The Napier was a N class Destroyer that was scrapped post war. The Geelong was a Bathurst class Minesweeper that didn't sink a sub in this case it's the opposite. The Geelong was sunk on Oct 18.1944 due to a collision. I used Conway's 1922-46 book. Craig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 32) From: "John Snyder" Subject: July 4 HAPPY BIRTHDAY, AMERICA! John Snyder & Randy Short Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys http://www.shipcamouflage.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 33) From: Minadmiral@aol.com Subject: Re: Owls Hi; I think this thread is "owl washed up". Chuck Duggie WoodenWalls Listmeister Naval wargamer, amateur naval historian, and ship modeler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 34) From: Minadmiral@aol.com Subject: Tomahawk missile launcher >> The USS David R. Ray features the Tomahawk vertical missile launchers forward. << Hi; Just from curiosity. When I went onboard of the RAY in 1990 at Port Huaneme, CA., she had a RAM missle launcher mounted right aft. Does anyone know if it is still there? Somewhere I have some pictures of her taken that day that show the RAM launcher. I believe she was a trials ship for the system. Chuck Duggie WoodenWalls Listmeister Naval wargamer, amateur naval historian, and ship modeler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 35) From: Chris Rogers Subject: jap subs There was another sub sunk of Penang I166 By HMS/M Telemachus july 1944 on her first tour up the Melaca straights chris -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 36) From: Chris Rogers Subject: lump HI Lump Suppose a friendly bit of banter between allies isnt bad, but I guess its always the seppo's who take it to the extreme. As for speaking japanese yes most of us do and earn a great deal of money for our trouble and yes from the japanese people who visit our GREAT COUNTRY. Chris Queensland Australia -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 37) From: Friedrich Kappes Subject: Napier, Geelong, John Ericsson Geelong: RAN manned Bathurst class minesweeper, sunk in collision 18.10.44 Napier: N class destroyer, RAN manned during WWII Found no success records in: Conway�s all the world fighting ships 1922-46 Destroyers of WWII (MJ Whitley Uboote im 2. Weltkrieg (Erminio Bagnasco) I suggest asking the RAN herself: http://www.navy.gov.au John Ericsson: Captain of the Swedish army, later engeneer in London, later in the US, designed a ship screw in 1836, and the Monitor in 1861. That�s all I have about him, sorry Friedrich -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Rees, Graham" Subject: Olympics Are any SMMLies coming to Sydney for the Olympics? It would be interesting to meet some people face to face. Some Australian SMMLies live in Sydney or close enough by. Others live in areas where tourists go. A note of caution to those who have not been to Oz before: Australia is a continent. Australian newspapers sometimes get parochial and poke fun at tourists who want to do something silly like drive Sydney-Perth in a day. Air (not road) miles are Sydney - Perth about 2,050 miles (N.Y. - L.A. is 2,450, London - Moscow 1,560 miles) Sydney - Melbourne and Sydney Brisbane about 450 miles. Graham Rees Also, the monthly APMA meeting is on the day before the Opening Ceremony & all guests are welcome. Me, I'll be there & then avoiding Sydney for as much as possible in the ensueing 4 weeks & stocking up on videos - hell may even do some modelling as well ;-). Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Shane Subject: APMA meeting this Saturday Hi gang, The monthly APMA meeting will be held this Saturday. It should be a good one as the theme for the day is models from TV & film. There is an open invitation for anyone visiting Sydney to attend.. More details on the APMA site. Regards, Shane APMA VP http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Ken Durling Subject: USS Hornet Chapter meeting Hello folks - My computer is down, so I am unable to do the newsletter this month. I want to remind everyone interested that there will indeed be a meeting this Friday, July 7th of the IPMS/USS Hornet chapter, at 7:30. Hopefully we'll get another look at Sami Arim's stunning 1/700 HMS Hood, which took first in its class and Best of Show at a contest here recently. Bravo, Sami, I couldn't stop gazing at the model. Be great to see some of you we haven't seen in a while, too! To get to the Hornet: From 880 S; take the Broadway exit in Oakland, R on Bway, R on 7th, R on Webster and thru the tube; From 880/980 N: 580 to Downtown Oakland/980 exit; take the 11th St exit, and follow the exit road along the Fwy under 880 and turn R. Follow that road to Bway, and cross to enter Webster tube; Exiting the tube, bear R on Webster and turn R at first light, which is N. Atlantic. Follow all the way into the old base, thru the old gate, around the A-7 gateguard, to the water. Turn L and follow the road all the way to the piers where all the Auxiliary ships are docked. HORNET is 2nd to last, on the R. Park on the pier, board via No.3 elevator, turn R on the hangar deck and go all the way back almost to the fantail. Door down to the Chief's Mess is on your left. Hope to see you there! Ken Durling IPMS/USS Hornet Pres. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: WTB: HMS Campbeltown Saw an old reference to a 1/350th scale kit by Tom's Modelworks of the converted four piper HMS Campbeltown. Apparently was in production for a short time but no longer. Does anybody have one they'd care to sell? Price and condition (mint/started) are negotiable. Thanks, Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume