Subject: SMML VOL 963 Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 22:41:47 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Fletcher Class destroyer 2: Re: HMS Jersey models? 3: Re: Owls the last word 4: Re: PT Boat Attacks 5: Re: Owls the last word 6: RAM Missile Launcher on USS David R. Ray 7: Re: St Paul CA 73 8: Re: PT Line drawings 9: Bluejacket Fletcher a comparison 10: PT Boat Kills 11: WW1 photos & IJN Sub query 12: HMS Jersey 13: Re: USS David R. Ray 14: Re: PT Boat accessories 15: Re: Brookhurst Hobbies 16: IJN Camo Book 17: HMAS vs. IJN Subs. 18: Re: Jersey 19: Re: PT Boats 20: Re: PT boats 21: For those going to Texas 22: Re: PT Boat Attacks 23: Fletcher Class destroyer 24: 1/700 Modern Soviet Kits 25: Les Wilkins 26: destroyer scale 27: BlueJacket KIDD DD kit 28: D-Day colors/schemes 29: To Randy Chisum 30: Re: Fletcher Class destroyer 31: 1. July 4th wishes and 2. Rusty White' wife 32: Re: 1:1200 JOHN ERICSSON Model 33: HMS Birmingham Type 42 34: Napier, Geelong...thanks for the help! 35: Napier, Geelong, RAN and Japanese subs -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Update from Classic Warships -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: AandMBlevins@gateway.net Subject: Re: Fletcher Class destroyer In reply to Mr. Rada re: BlueJacket Shipcrafters Fletcher Class model. Yes, it is 1/16 inch = 1 foot scale which is also 1/192 scale. I have built two of these models and I recommed the kit highly. I believe the kit comes as a "square bridge" Fletcher, but it is easily adapted to the "round bridge" version if desired. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Subject: Re: HMS Jersey models? >> I'm working on models of ships named after places in New Jersey, and thought that models of ships named after our namesake might be an interesting addition to the bunch. << Hello all, Joe, I believe there was a DE in WWII named Butler (small town in North Jersey). Of course, there is the Springfield and the Princeton. And, you could always model an oil slick and call it the Perth Amboy :) A former Jersian klw -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Subject: Re: Owls the last word >> I agree. Let's bring this owl subject to screeching halt. Bob Santos is flying a couple of owls my way. That begs a question concerning my model. Has anyone ever seen a CIWS at rest with the barrels at any angle except 90 degrees? I have tons of photos and not one shows sitting at any elevated position. The only reason I ask this, is my model as built is slightly elevated for a more interesting look. Obviously, I can't put my owl on an elevated gun if doesn't sit elevated when not in operation. << Rusty, I don't remember the name of the ship, but I do recall seeing a Knox class FF in Norfolk around 1989 with its CIWS painted like R2D2 from Star Wars. klw -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "FCR" Subject: Re: PT Boat Attacks Hello to all I haven't much knowledge about this things but I remember of much action reports of PT-boats in pacific early war, specially in the Phillipines invasion. You can find some information and reports about this in the book "The Fleets the Gods Forgot" of Walter Winslow, there are a few chapters exclusively about PT-actions. Probably there is much more people that are much more qualified then me to answer this questions. By the way you can see the old film "They were expendable" about this dates, it is a almost historical perfect film. Hope this helps. Filipe C. Ramires Lisboa, PORTUGAL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Devin J. Poore" Subject: Re: Owls the last word Rusty, I never saw a CIWS sitting at anything other than the 90 degree rest position all the time I dealt with them in the Navy (they were also in that position a lot of the time they were supposed to be firing as well!) Devin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: RAM Missile Launcher on USS David R. Ray In response to request for RAM Milsile launcher info in SMML vol. 962. The only missile launcher showing aft on the USS David R. Ray (DD-971) is the Mk 29 octuple Sea Sparrow SAM launcher located right above the break of the fantail deck (aft end of main deck). We have shots showing this launcher overall and show 2 shots (fore & aft) looking into the lower port launch tube, detailing the installation of the SAM missile. A.D. Baker's Combat Fleets Of The World, 2000-2001, shows the DD-972, 973, 977, 982, 987 & 992 as having the RAM SAM launcher with RIM-116A Mod. 0 missiles installed. Hope this helps. Victor Baca Model Ship Journal -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "RBFISH" Subject: Re: St Paul CA 73 Regarding Information about the CA-73 St. Paul one should go to this URL: http://www.hazegray.org/ check the Cruisers, CS-CL-CA great text on the CA-73 and others also Great Navsource, & shipbuilding, plus Photo dept. this is a must for all Scale Ship Modelers, if nothing more that a Naval Resource Center, its worth a look see, and lets not forget are friends AU Vets down-under who fought a good fight, and kick ass, as well during WW 11 carry-on, R.B.fish USMC ret: www.aowac.org http://ojc.org/page2.html Remember those of us that Served.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: PT191@aol.com Subject: Re: PT Line drawings John Lambert has line drawings and Al Ross has them too. LAMKEEL@EMAIL.MSN.COM ALROSS2@AOL.COM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Bluejacket Fletcher a comparison >> A friend of mine is offering me a USS Kidd , Fletcher Class Destroyer by "Bluejacket Shipcrafters , it has a wooden hull plus all the fittings in white metal and photoetch brass, now the cover indicates a scale of 1/16" but the model is 23 1/2' so I figure it is somewhere in the 1/192 region, can someone please give me the exact scale ? Also any one knows this model? any recommendations? << Alberto, The latest Bluejacket Shipcrafters catalogue I have lists the Kidd's scale at 1/16"= 1'- 0". You can also pick up a base and cover from that company as well. While I don't own a Kidd kit, I am working on a USS Gambier Bay model from that same line of ships by the company. It is indeed a solid Basswood hull and will require quite of bit of sanding to smooth out (at least my kit did). The quality of the cast Britannia metal parts is absolutely astounding. The photo etch is quite heavy gauge due to the scale, but quite accurate and the resin parts in my kit are also first rate. My kit comes with lots of different diameter brass and plastic rods as well as sheet styrene. BS gives the modeler everything you will need to build the model. Nothing extra to buy. My kit even included large deck numbers. The instructions are absolutely the best I have ever seen. My kit came with not a couple of sheets, but a whole book filled with templates, photos, very helpful notes and lots of history behind the vessel. In addition to the excellent instruction book, BS includes two full size scale drawings of the ship from every angle including deck drawings and other important details. These drawings are almost worth the price of the kit by themselves. You will surely want to keep them after the model is built. If you don't, send them to me! BEWARE, the Kidd kit is recommended for intermediate to advanced modelers. I haven't had any real problems with the construction of my kit and it's recommended for intermediate to advanced builders as well. Working with wood is different, but if you're an experienced ship modeler, I don't think you will have any problems with it if it's anything like my Gambier Bay model. I have been in contact with Al Ross, the designer of the Gambier Bay kit as well as the author of the Anatomy of the Ship book Gambier Bay, and he has been very helpful. In short, I would highly recommend the Bluejacket Shipcrafters USS Kidd model. If it's anywhere near as good as my Gambier Bay model, you will be more than satisfied with it. Hope this helps. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "lcp9" Subject: PT Boat Kills And don't forget the" Wacky Mac"! Torpedoed and sunk by a PT squadron just as the Pawnee was taking her in tow! Happy 4th! David -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "john mcmanis" Subject: WW1 photos & IJN Sub query I have some questions I could use help with: I'm a wargammer and am building my World War One Navies up (in 1/2400 and 1/6000 scale. It has been very difficult to find illustrated sources for the Austro-Hungarian, Russian, Turkish, Italian, French, and British (in the Med.). Can someone inform me of some good sources for color (hopefully with illustrations) and painting schemes? When I was a teenager or perhaps younger, I saw a documentary on a Japanese sub that sank. I believe it sunk after someone forgot to close a torpedo tube during a crash dive to get away from US planes. The documentary said something about it being a larger sub, it also mentioned the retrieval of the sailors for burial in Japan (probably in the 70s or early 80s). This was quite a while ago and I was young so my information may be distorted. Does anyone recall the program and/or what sub that might be? God bless, John McManis -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: HMS Jersey Hi Joseph Firstly HMS Jersey was mined in 1941 not 1939. In 1/700 there is the Matchbox and the White Ensign versions of the K class. Note the White Ensign model of Kashmir will make a very good model of Jersey at her commissioning. All you need to note are things like the position of the Carley floats. The Matchbox model includes the 4" HA gun which Jersey carried in 1940-41. Note it does not include the 20mm platforms she was fitted with at the time. White Ensign are planning a model of the Nestor (I think) which should have these features. Deans Marine does a model of Javelin but in her later configuration with lattice mast (never carried by Jersey) the scale is 1/96 and it is intended to be motorised. I can't comment on the quality. There was a book listing all the different Jersey's and their career history as well. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: SeaPhoto@aol.com Subject: Re: USS David R. Ray Chuck Duggie writes: >> Just from curiosity. When I went onboard of the RAY in 1990 at Port Huaneme, CA., she had a RAM missle launcher mounted right aft. Does anyone know if it is still there? Somewhere I have some pictures of her taken that day that show the RAM launcher. I believe she was a trials ship for the system. << By October 1996, it was gone - I had a chance to photograph her then. Only a handful of the DD's have the RAM launcher on the stern at this time, but not DD-971, although the next two in the series, 972 and 973, both have the system. Kurt Greiner SeaPhoto Maritime Photography http://warshipphotos.com Warship Models Underway http://members.aol.com/wmunderway/home.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Marc Flake Subject: Re: PT Boat accessories Torpedoes: KMC made the Mk 13 torpedoes in 1/72nd scale. They came two per package and cost about $7. Inventory number 72-7020. Although KMC no longer makes detail parts, but you may still be able to find them on hobby store racks. Otherwise, Squadron bought the molds and may reissue them in the future. Aeroclub packet number GO15 has a pair of .50 caliber machine guns. I'm sending photos of a Higgins boat being rebuilt in Houston to the SMML website. I have closeups of the torpedo roll-off mounts, the mounting of the late war antenna and the 40mm Bofors on the fantail. Marc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: SeaPhoto@aol.com Subject: Re: Brookhurst Hobbies Ned Barnett writes: >> Has gone over to wargaming - they no longer carry modeling accessories, apparently. This in response to a request for Aeroclub or H-R accessories: << Not sure about the mail order or Internet business, but the shop is still worth a visit if you are in the area. They carry a large selection of resin ships, and have more plastic model ships than the average hobby store. At a recent visit, about two weeks ago, I picked up a 1/200 scale Trumpeter Guided Missile Frigate of the PLAN, which is a very nice kit, large enough to R/C. Brookhurst still carries an excellent selection of naval reference books too. They do have a very large commitment to wargaming, but there are some naval subjects there too, including resin landing craft that I have not seen previously. As a tool junkie, I appreciate that they still carry some unusual hobby tools too - scribes and power tools from Tamiya. So, while I wouldn't go far out of my way to visit, if you are near Disneyland it is probably worth the drive. Kurt Greiner SeaPhoto Maritime Photography http://warshipphotos.com Warship Models Underway http://members.aol.com/wmunderway/home.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: IJN Camo Book I just received the latest from Model Art Books thru Pacific Front Hobbies, on IJN camouflage. Although it is all in Japanese, the pics are really good and the best thing about this book is the actual paint chips contained within. Bill, from PFH is in the process of having the entire book translated and will soon sell a complete translation pamphlet. Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Lump518176@aol.com Subject: HMAS vs. IJN Subs. Okay...Im sorry for my joke!!! I know very well the proud and illustrious history of the Australian Navy. I guess I consumed one too many of Australia's finest, Fosters Lagers! God bless the Austalian Navy, AC/DC, The BeeGees, Olivia Newton John, Crocadile Dundee, and God save the Queen! Sincerely, Jerry Phillips -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "katzcom" Subject: Re: Jersey >> I'm working on models of ships named after places in New Jersey, and thought that models of ships named after our namesake might be an interesting addition to the bunch. << Hey Joe just a thought, but New Jersey! may just be named After Jersey, thats maybe why its called "NEW" As to the model of the WW2 Jersey try WEM's Kashmir 1939. best wishes graham -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "Norman C. Samish" Subject: Re: PT Boats >> There were a lot of PT boats build and used in WW2, but a quick search found no battles where the PT boats actually used their torpedoes against the enemy. I'm sure there were many - could one of you experts direct me to this information? << >> I'm not really an expert, but you can try PT Boats, Inc. at: http://www.ptboats.org/ << Thanks, Charlie, There was a lot of interesting stuff at http://www.ptboats.org/ but no battle histories that I could find. A PT model of Experimental "Zebra Camouflage" Elco 80' PT (at http://www.ptboats.org/06-0-05-photos.html) would be fascinating. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "Norman C. Samish" Subject: Re: PT boats >> I read of some people searching for infos on PTboats in here, so I do the same: Is there anybody out there who can send me line drawings of PTboats? << Friedrich, you can order a "Modelers Kit" which contains a price list of available drawing and blue print reproductions.. Web site is: http://www.ptboats.org/14-0-05-email.html. HOW TO CONTACT PT BOATS, INC. MAIL: PT Boats. Inc. P.O. Box 38070, Germantown, TN, 38183 PHONE: (901) 755-8440 FAX: (901) 751-0522 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: TechnoInfidel@webtv.net (John Collins) Subject: For those going to Texas Greetings: Since many of us will be shortly heading to Texas for the IPMS/USA nationals, I thought the following bit of humor might be apropos, albeit off-topic. Before, starting a Texas Twister over this, please know: I lived in Texas for 14 years and it is my favorite state in the US; my parents still live in Texas and are the ones who provided this list in the first place; Texans have great senses of humor even when they are the butt of that humor. No offense is intended I quote: If you are new to Texas or plan to visit soon, you should know these things. . . . 1. Save all manner of bacon grease. You will be instructed later how to use it. 2. Just because you can drive and snow and ice doesn't mean we can. Stay home on the two days a year it snows. 3. If you do run your car into a ditch, don't panic. Four men in the cab of a four-wheel drive with a 12-pack of beer will be along shortly. Don't try to help them. Just stay out of the way. This is what they live for. 4. Don't be surprised to find movie rentals and bait in the same store. 5. Remember "Y'all" is plural. "All y'all" is plural. "All y'all's" is plural possessive. 6. Get used to hearing, "You ain't from around here, are you?" 7. If you are yelling at the person driving 15 mph in a 55 mph zone, directly in the middle of the road, remember, many folks learned to drive on a model of a vehicle known as a John Deere, and this is the proper speed and lane position for that vehicle. 8. If you hear a redneck exclaim, "Hey, y'all, watch this." Stay out of his way. These are likely the last words he will ever say. 9. Get used to hearing the phrase, "It's not the heat, it's the humidity." And the collateral phrases, "You call this hot? Wait'll August." 10. There are no delis. Don't ask. 11. In conversation, never put your hand on a man's shoulder when making a point, especially in a bar. 12. Chili does NOT have beans in it. 13. Brisket is not "cooked" in an oven. 14. Don't tell us how you did it up there. Nobody cares. 15. If you think it's too hot, don't worry, it cools down in December. 16. We do TOO have four seasons: December, January, February and summer. 17. A Mercedes Benz is not a status symbol. A Ford F-150 (or for some an F-350) is. 18. If someone tells you, "Don't worry those peppers aren't hot," you can be certain they are. 19. If you fail to heed my warning in #18 above, be sure to have a bowl of guacamole handy. Water won't do it. 20. Rocky Mountain Oysters are NOT oysters. . . don't ask. 21. If someone says they're "fixing" to do something, that doesn't mean anything's broken. 22. Don't even think of ordering a strawberry daiquiri. What you really mean to say is "margarita." 23. If you don't understand our passion for college and high school football, just keep your mouth shut. 24. If you see a slower moving vehicle on a two-lane road pull over on to the shoulder to let you pass, this is call "courtesy." 25. The value of a parking space is not determined by the distance to the door, but by the availability of shade. 26. BBQ is a food group. It does not mean grilling hot dogs and hamburgers outdoors. 27. No matter what you've seen on TV, line dancing is not a popular weekend past-time. 28. "Tea" = Iced Tea. There IS no other kind. 29. Everything goes better with Ranch dressing. Now you are reasonably prepared to visit Texas. Keep Texas green, bring lots of money, and have fun. Looking for to seeing all y'all there. John Collins Atlanta, GA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "Norman C. Samish" Subject: Re: PT Boat Attacks >> As for actual torpedo attacks made by US PT boats in WWII, the first one that comes to mind is the sinking of the Japanese destroyer Teruzuki by US PT boats off Guadalcanal on December 12, 1942. The Teruzuki was an Akizuki-class destroyer and was thus a very valuable ship. << Art, There may be conflicting information. For example, http://www.sover.net/~barback/PT/pt.html confirms what you say: ". . Guadalcanal in the Solomon Islands was the first major allied offensive. The struggle lasted from August,1942, to February,1943. In December of 1942 the Japanese were trying to get troops to Guadalcanal. PT boats were making it difficult. On December 9th PT-59 sank a 2000-ton blockade running submarine. Then on December 12th three PT boats sank a new destroyer called Teruzuki." It also says, ". . . John F. Kennedy and his crew were on PT-109. They, along with 14 other boats, were trying to block enemy ships. They fired lots of torpedos but didn't hit anything. . . ." I thought PT109 had been stripped of torpedo tubes to make room for more guns, in which case it couldn't fire any torpedoes. If this is true, then the information on this site may be suspect. On the other hand, http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq60-5.htm says: ". . . Originally conceived as antiship weapons, PTs were publicly, but erroneously, credited with sinking Japanese warships during the early months after Pearl Harbor. During the long Solomons campaign, they operated usefully at night and times of low visibility against Japanese barge traffic in the "Slot." Throughout World War II, PTs operated in the southern, western, and northern Pacific, as well as in the Mediterranean and the English Channel. Some served off Normandy during that invasion. Though their primary mission continued to be seen as attack of surface ships and craft, PTs were also used effectively to lay mines and smoke screens, to rescue downed aviators, and to carry out intelligence or raider operations.. . ." I don't know who's right. Where did you get your information about the PT's sinking the Teruzuki? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: "John Rule" Subject: Fletcher Class destroyer >> A friend of mine is offering me a USS Kidd, Fletcher Class Destroyer by "Bluejacket Shipcrafters, it has a wooden hull plus all the fittings in white metal and photoetch brass, now the cover indicates a scale of 1/16" but the model is 23 1/2' so I figure it is somewhere in the 1/192 region, can someone please give me the exact scale? Also any one knows this model? Any recommendations? << Alberto, with respect to scale, 1:192 scale is the same as 1/16th inch to 1 foot scale. It is just the awkwardness of the imperial method of measurement raising its head again. It is interesting to note that the US freed themselves from the yoke of imperialism 224 fears ago but have yet to attempt to free themselves of the imperial system of measurement. Just a thought. John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: "Bill & Joanne Burns" Subject: 1/700 Modern Soviet Kits Could someone tell me if the 1/700 double DML modern submarine kits are the same as the Testors releases? Also, is the DML Russian Destroyer Sovremenny kit the same as the Skywave kit? If these are not the same kits, then how are they different? TIA Wm. (Bill) Burns London, Ont. ICQ # 9682543 http://www.ionline.net/~wburns If necessity is the mother of invention, then war must be the mother of necessity. Hi Bill, I'm fairly certain that the Sovremenny is the same kit. Dragon, Revell & Tamiya have all leased Skywave moulds in the last few years. I'd also say that the Testors sub kit is the same as the Dragon original release. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "Rod Millard" Subject: Les Wilkins Trying to find out if Les Wilkins models are still on display in Manitowac Wi. I still think his book on plastic ship building is the best around. Rod -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: "Kenneth H. Goldman" Subject: destroyer scale The Bluejacket USS KIDD is 1/16" = 1' which works out to 1:192 scale. Ken Goldman THE WALRUS AND THE CARPENTER http://www.wman.com/~khgold/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: BSteinIPMS@aol.com Subject: BlueJacket KIDD DD kit >> A friend of mine is offering me a USS Kidd , Fletcher Class Destroyer by "Bluejacket Shipcrafters , it has a wooden hull plus all the fittings in white metal and photoetch brass, now the cover indicates a scale of 1/16" but the model is 23 1/2' so I figure it is somewhere in the 1/192 region, can someone please give me the exact scale ? Also any one knows this model? any recommendations? << Alberto: The numbers mean one and the same thing: 1/16" means one sixteenth of an inch on the model equals one foot on the full size ship. This equates to a scale of 1/192. Yes, I'm somewhat familiar with this kit, and I think it has potential. If you have the interest, you can view the BlueJacket FLETCHER class destroyer KIDD at: http://www.warship.simplenet.com/SteinbrunnFletcher.htm Best, Bob Steinbrunn Minneapolis Member, Nautical Research Guild Louisiana Naval War Memorial - USS Kidd, DD 661 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: "Mike Taylor" Subject: D-Day colors/schemes I've hit a wall :( I'm looking for photos of LCI's,LCT's,LSM's and LST's used during the invasion or someones suggestions for color's/ schemes. Mike T Hi Mike, Try & get a hold of the following book: D-Day Ships - The Allied Invasion Fleet June 1944" by Yves Buffetaut. It's published by Conway & is, I think out of print at the moment. I cannot recommend this book highly enough for anyone interested in the ships used in the Normandy invasion. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: Loren Perry Subject: To Randy Chisum Sorry - I thought I had included the scale for the floater net basket set. It's in 1/350 scale. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) From: geoff-smith@cwcom.net Subject: Re: Fletcher Class destroyer Alberto, 1/16" scale is 1/192 - 16ft/in Regards, Geoff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31) From: Loren Perry Subject: 1. July 4th wishes and 2. Rusty White' wife 1. I never cease to be amazed at the kindness shown by our overseas friends who know more about us and our ways than we usually seem to know about them and theirs. I speak of course of Shane and Mistress Lorna and their July 4th wishes for us here in the USA. Thank you both very much. 2. Rusty White's story about his wife and an early Christmas was very moving and I fully apprciate just how lucky a man he is. My own other half is very much like his, and I've heard many a tale of woe from modelers with wives/husbands who can't understand our passions for small ships. I hope all of us can one day be loved that much. Hi Loren, You're welcome. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 32) From: Minadmiral@aol.com Subject: Re: 1:1200 JOHN ERICSSON Model Hi; I have that model in my collection. Look in the Conway`s 1860-1905 volume. She was a monitor built for Sweden and named for Ericsson. Haven`t un-packed as far as the Conway`s so I don`t have the builder or date. Can`t recall the manufacturer of the model. It was one of the German manufacturers, though, so there is a 99.999% probability that the model is actually 1:1250. Mine came assembled and painted a medium green. Chuck Duggie WoodenWalls Listmeister Naval wargamer, amateur naval historian, and ship modeler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 33) From: Ian Jukes Subject: HMS Birmingham Type 42 Hi All Does anyone know or could suggest where I might be able to purchase a set of drawings in 1/96th scale for HMS Birmingham, Type 42 destroyer as she was fitted in the 1990s before her decomissioning last year. I have a set of plans from Jecobin for another standard type 42, HMS Exeter, but they were drawn in 1980 and are pretty outdated even for this vessel. Regards Ian Jukes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 34) From: "Simon Wolff" Subject: Napier, Geelong...thanks for the help! Greetings! Was pleasantly surprised by the number of responses and assistance with information. More than I could have imagined. Well it seems that, from all the information supplied by SMML members, that neither HMAS Napier nor HMAS Geelong sank any Japanese submarines. It looks like Chris Langtree is right, in saying that "What might have happened is that either ship may have made an attack on what was classed as a submarine contact and also classed optimistically as destroyed." I have still to check the RAN site, which will be a last resort, but no doubt they will confirm that neither ship sank an IJN submarine.. As far as the former sailor goes no plans to tell him, other than I was unable to find information. Leave him with his memory, hell isn't going to hurt anybody. Many thanks to all those who responded with information, I really appreciate the time and effort taken by you gentlemen. Special thanks to Eric for scanning and sending information. regards Simon Wolff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 35) From: Alan & Teresa Scheckenbach Subject: Napier, Geelong, RAN and Japanese subs OK, I have to weigh into this one. Tomorrow I'll ask the guys at Navy Historical if they can do a bit of research in ship's logs on the list's behalf and see whether the Napier or the Geelong sank any subs and then get an idea as to whether the RAN sank anything else Japanese during WW2. Alan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Update from Classic Warships The two books, New Orleans Class Cruisers, and USS Salem, are now at the printer. We have made the final proof, and are waiting for the presses to roll! I will have these at the IPMS Convention in Dallas, July 19-22. Retail is $11.95, and the show special will be $10.00. Three new kits will debut at the same convention. They will all be in 1/350. They are the 1941 USS Tennessee BB-43, 1942 USS Brooklyn CL-40, and the 1942 USS Helena CL-50. I will have most all of my other products at this convention, and will be carrying MB Products as well. Snyder and Short, The Paint Guys, will also have a representative present. Corsair Armada will be next to my tables. JAG Collective will also be in the same group of tables. You are missing out on a lot of really interesting stuff, if you miss this show. Sorry, I will not be in Roman attire. Steve - www.classicwarships.simplenet.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume