Subject: SMML VOL 971 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 02:33:38 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Plastic Ship Modeler 22 2: Plans in magazines 3: New Bedford plans 4: Kamikaze 5: Re: List of all IJN and USS 1/700 WW II plastic models? 6: Re: John Kutina's Post 7: The Ship Review List formerly known as Rajendra's 8: PE for USS Missouri 9: Re: Largest island 10: MB/BWN Arleigh Burke 11: Re: 8-in Mk-71 12: Re: Perfect Storm 13: Re: USS New Bedford PF 14: When a storm reaches ‘perfection’ 15: Great Eastern 16: INS Mysore 17: Re: Viking? 18: Re: Viking Models 19: Re: Coast guard models 20: Re: USN deck gray 21: Re: Forced Perspective 22: Coast Guard Models 23: Forced Perspective 24: Re: Revell Great Eastern 25: Help!! 26: Re: Major calibre ordinance 27: Re: INS Mysore 28: PT's for Revell's tanker (1/400) 29: contact...... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: APMA site update 2: Re: Eastwind 3: 1/350 SMS KONIG & GROSSER KURFURST & HMS SNOWBERRY 4: Big Gun Monitors & Bismarck Books 5: Model Ship Journal website -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Shane Subject: Plastic Ship Modeler 22 Hi Gang, Well the latest PSM has popped thru the mailbox. Dan has yet again done a very good job with it. Articles include the following: JSP USS Newport News by Ray Bean Article on supertankers - a much neglected part of ship modelling HMS Aristocat - RN AA paddlesteamer!! by Mike Cooper Floating drydock w/ a Sumner DD by Ray Bean Chris Drage's Rodney/Warspite diorama - Bloody excellant. You'd better make sure there's no workbench vices around when we see you Chris, or your fingers may be in danger ;-) IS LST by Dave Judy More pictures from the 1999 US Nats Plus all the columns including 1 to 100, latest kit & book reviews & NAVINFOTEL. All in all an excellant read & one I yet again highly recommend. Dan also makes an interesting point in his editorial about the good times the ship modelling community is having and wonders about whether or not we're reaching saturation point & the possible ramifications of that?? A very interesting viewpoint. I also have to pick Dan up on one major mistake though - Sydney is NOT spelt Sidney ;-). Regards, Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Michael Dunn" Subject: Plans in magazines Steve Wiper wrote: >> I would highly recommend the new publication, Model Ship Journal. It has the best photo reproduction currently available in steam powered ship modeling magazines. It covers plan sets, a first, I think, for model journals. Kit reviews, build up's, and walk-arounds (photo tours, dating from now, back to the turn of the century) on the actual ships. Scales covered are 1/1250 up thru 1/48? << Well, hate to disagree with you Steve - but you're wrong, and by a lot of years too. Over here in the UK, we have had several marine models magazines giving away plans for model boats for a long time.....and they also provide other plans as part of their services. Now, you may think "free plans, can't be worth much", and you would be totally wrong........ There range from semi-scale to scale, warships to merchants, fast speedboats to slow tuge, yachts to submarines, steam power models to electric to i/c......sizes are from 1/32 to 1/350 (lets face it - could you put r/c in anything smaller?). Both Traplet and Nexus do good magazines; well worth getting if you're into r/c or even just large display boats. Lovely large-scale Moskva in the Traplet one, a few months ago...... Still, it's nice to see the US finally catching up with this hobby ;-) Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: ALROSS2@aol.com Subject: Re: New Bedford plans >> I'm looking for drawings for the WWII Coast Guard Frigate NEW BEDFORD (PF-71). << The Floating Drydock (www.floatingdrydock.com) has plans for BURLINGTON (PF 51) and the Smithsonian has plans for the class in general in their MARAD collection. Al Ross -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Kerry L. Jang" Subject: Kamikaze >> In Japan's history, they were saved from an invasion by the Chinese because a typhoon wiped out the invasion fleet at sea before it reached Japan. The Japanese called this "Kamikaze" - divine wind. << To be strictly accurate, the Kamikaze wind saved Japan from a MONGOL invasion. Ghengis Khan was a Mongolian who conquered China and founded the Yuan dynasty. Mongolians aren't Chinese but foreigners. Recent evidence also suggests that the troops used on the invasion craft were actually Korean's, not Chinese. Kerry Jang (yup, I'm Chinese...) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: NEVENGER@aol.com Subject: Re: List of all IJN and USS 1/700 WW II plastic models? Below is a site that I like to use for reference on just what kits are out there. They listed 385 ship kits in 1/700 scale. They will break down the categories by scale, manufacture, type of model (meaning ship, plane, books ect....) The site is very well laid out. They will also tell you that some listing are just referance because the model is no longer made. The site is not perfect but it will give you a good start for that list you want. http://hobbyweb.com/ Another company to try is Hobby Link Japan http://www.hlj.com/ You may have to look around on this one, but the prices can sometimes be worth it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Growlrr@aol.com Subject: Re: John Kutina's Post Hi gang - Reading Johns post got me to wondering - of all of us out there in SMML land, how many are WWII vets? For that matter how many are vets that saw action in Korea, Vietnam or Desert Storm as well? Though it might be an interesting string... Glenn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Poutre, Joseph A" Subject: The Ship Review List formerly known as Rajendra's A few notes about the list: One: it has been renamed. Dave Wells and I have put considerable effort into it, and many other people have contributed to it, so I have modified the title to "Rajendra's, Joe's, Dave's et al's" list. Rajendra's name still comes first because he originated the list many moons ago, but since then Dave and I have nearly doubled the size of the list, added many companies and a bunch more reviews. Two: the link should be: http://www.quuxuum.org/rajens_list/shiprevs.html, although I have left the old name as a link. Three: We do not claim to have every kit listed, only that we're working to list every ship model kit, past or present, plastic or resin. If you know of a model, models, or company not on the list, email me with details: mailto:jpoutre@lehman.com Three A: We will not be including the zillions of prebuilt circa 1/1200 models, since this is a list of kits. We will and do list _kits_ in 1/1200 and other seeing-eye scales, in plastic or resin. Four: please use the list. It's there for you to use, absolutely free, to let you know what's out there, and let you know what's in store before buying. Let your friends know about it, too. Five: please contribute to the list. If you've got it and built it, let us know how it went. We prefer short and sweet, but you'll see we take longer reviews, and you are free to disagree with a review already on the list. Six: we don't intend to make recommendations - read the review and decide for yourself. If a manufacturer believes a review to be grossly inaccurate or malicious, let me know and I'll discuss it with the reviewer in a civilized manner. (Please don't sue me - I don't have much money and I'm saving for a house.) Seven: Manufacturers seeking a positive review are free to send me free review copies of their products, which I will cheerfully build (eventually) and then post an objective review. Bribes of any sort will be happily accepted by this reviewer, even women in bikinis, but will _not_ affect my review. (Women in bikinis will be forwarded to my jealous wife (eventually), who will deal with you personally.) Seven A: If I have to tell you I'm making a funny, you need to get out more. Thank you. Joseph Poutre -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Bergschöld Pelle Subject: PE for USS Missouri Gentlemen. My brother has come to a turning point in life and moved in the same flat as his girlfriend. To celebrate this event, he bought the Tamiya 1/350 USS Missouri WWII-fit and happily carried home (the flat is approx 5 by 8 mtrs, one room plus a walk-through corridor equipped with a gas stove and named kitchen). As he still is living in the same flat, and so is she, a miracle must have occurred. To in turn celebrate this, I would like to present him with a proper PE-set for the kit in question. I have heard quite a lot of mr Perry's GMM-sets, but are there any alternatives? And if so, which would be preferrable? Btw, Shane, Do you know how safe a credit card overseas order at Ozmods would be? I'm a bit tempted by their Vampire/Vendetta. All the best Pelle SWE (Apparently Australia is larger than Greenland, but in any case, that piece of sand in the sea down under still has to be characterized as the smallest continent in stead of the largest island just in order to keep the strange-hatted inhabitants from breaking their ribs in pride..) Hi Pelle, In regards to OzMods, credit card sales should be fine. If in the very unlikely event of any hassles with this company or in fact ANY company, paying by credit card is usually the safest way. In fact Greg Anderson, who runs OzMods is a fellow SMMLie & has a very fine reputation. I can recommend their 1/700 Vampire (be quiet, it's coming Mr Rule ;-) ), check my review on Internet Modeller: http://www.internetmodeler.com/ Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Erwin Van Deynze Subject: Re: Largest island >> Too bad Texas aint futher south on the hemisphere then we'd be REALLY BIG!!!! << Actually it should be near the pole, would be nice to see some texans freezing up :-) The widely used mercatorian projection enlarges towards the poles, if you look it up in your atlas, you'll see that Greenland seems much larger than the Arabian Peninsula, in fact it is smaller... I remember it clearly, because somewhere in the late seventies, I had seen some maps of earth who used another projection. The makers of it wanted to make a politically correct world map, stating that in the mercatorian projection, to much emphasis was on the northern rich continents... The projection they used, gave indeed a better idea of the relative size of the landmasses. The only thing wrong with it, was that the continents just, well, didn't 'look' right. So my remark earlier, of it possible being larger than the home country of our host, because of the projection used was terrible wrong... mea culpa... I only realised my mistake until yesterday... Oh, well, I can alway blame it on the long years passed since my wild school days :-) Erwin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Subject: MB/BWN Arleigh Burke If anyone could help me out, I would very grateful I have the MB Models/Bluewater Navy John McCain DDG (Burke Class) in 1/350 scale. Pages 34/9-10 of the instructions are missing. The phone number for Bluewater Navy is no longer working. If anyone has this and could copy those pages, I would be glad to pay costs. Or, if someone could scan them and email, that would be great, too. Help!!!! Many thanks. Kevin Wenker -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: Re: 8-in Mk-71 How come I knew this was going to happen . When I made the comment about there not having been any guns larger than 127mm in the works since the 60's, the Mk-71 is what I was referring to. I knew it was tested in the 70s, but I thought I'd read somewhere that initial development on the mount started in the late 60's. That said, I agree...it was an impressive weapon. I've seen pictures of it mounted on the HULL (and wondered if the crew bragged about having the biggest gun in the fleet). I also remember thinking back in the early 80s it would've been a good mount aboard the Long Beach, California, and Virgina cl missile cruisers to give them an added anti-surface ship capability. I also thought what a shame it was it was never purchased when they were trying to sink that tanker hulk off the Pacific Northwest a while back (and the 5-in guns just weren't up to the task). It's sorta ironic that the US Army fields 203mm howizers, while the Navy (who has the reputation for big guns) can only put to sea with 127mm's. Go Navy! _|_o_|_ Derek "Tiger" (/\)akefield /---(.](o)[.)---\ iscandar@chatter.com o oo O oo o http://www.iscandar-66.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: peter samolinski Subject: Re: Perfect Storm I'd like to echo Mr. Kutina's comments about the movie The Perfect Storm: very well done, indeed! The special effects were so good that a person didn't really realize they were watching "special efeccts". One sad note, it was at this movie that I saw a big screen trailer for the new Pearl Harbor movie: the planes looked good, if a bit crowded in the sky, but the moored US vessels looked like modern vessels - terrible! Pete. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Re: USS New Bedford PF Hi Bob and SMML, As someone was kind enough to point out to me recently, the Floating Drydock has a set of plans for another PF, the Burlington. Also, a fellow named Ken Haney has self-published a book on the PF's and specifically the New Bedford; there are several photos, including one of the New Bedford in a dazzle pattern (looks like the same one carried by other PF's), but the only plans are a set of internal arrangements. If you want to purchase the book, which usually sells for $22.00, you can contact Ken at ken.haney@worldnet.att.net Cheers, Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: When a storm reaches ‘perfection’ http://www.msnbc.com/news/427647.asp -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Ken Goldman" Subject: Great Eastern Boo...Hiss...extreme jealousy... I've been looking for that kit and you go and stumble across it. I don't know how accurate the kit is, but I suspect it's a "reasonable representation" of the subject. Useful references would be BRUNEL'S SHIPS - Chatham publishing ,30 and THE GREAT IRON SHIP by James Dugan. Also useful and of further interest is William Mowll's excellent account of his scale model of SS GREAT BRITAIN in the book by the same name. Ken Goldman THE WALRUS AND THE CARPENTER http://www.wman.com/~khgold/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "John Rule" Subject: INS Mysore Darren, The Mysore is a Project 15 destroyer to give its official designation but unofficially is known as a "stretched Kashin" class. They were built in India with Russian assistance. John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Mike Settle Subject: Re: Viking? >> Whatever happened to Viking Models? Are they still in business? << I believe Rusty White will be extremely happy to answer this question for you. I would hate to take away from his enjoyment by providing the answer. :-) Mike Settle I am not agent #1908 of the non-existent Lumber Cartel (tinlc)tm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Viking Models >> Whatever happened to Viking Models? Are they still in business? << I heard from a fellow that used to work for them (they screwed him out of $800.00 salary according to him) that they filed for bankruptcy. Remember you're hearing this second hand, so take it for what it's worth. It may be totally untrue, but I sincerely hope it is. It couldn't happen to nicer guys. I also sincerely hope I was instrumental in driving these leaches from the market via my "Beware of Viking Models" on my web site. I have read a bunch of inquiries about Viking on RMS only to read the reply "check out Flagship Models web page before you decide to buy from them." I get over 1500 hits a month, so I can only hope I was a major player in driving them out of business. We don't need creeps with business ethics like that screwing modelers out of their hard earned money. Sorry to ramble, but the "V" word really gets under my skin. If they are out of business, beware. They could pop up again under a different name and do the same stuff all over again. So look for the names Jay Slaughter and Dan Joplin and stay away from them. Once again, apologies for rambleing Burl. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Coast guard models >> Anybody remember that resin Coast Guard Cutter model that was going to be made available at the Nationals? Was it the Northland, Eastwind, Northwind? << JAG Collective has just introduced some CG vessels. Check out their web site on the Warship page. Warship also gives some preliminary reviews of the kits as well. BTW, Iron Shipwright will be releasing a modern (1980s) 1/350 Knox class frigate kit very soon. There are some great shots of the model on the Warship page and Rob Mackie says it's an excellent kit with revolutionary casting techniques that make the parts just snap together. Check it out. I'm going to buy one. I hope they have one at the Nationals. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: USN deck gray >> Could anyone tell me which humbrol colours I should use for the current USN Deck Grey, as far as I know FS 36008 is not in their sortiment. A reference for Testor or Tamiya would also be ok. << Testors MM Gunship Gray is a little dark, but real close. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: Ed Grune Subject: Re: Forced Perspective Ned wrote: >> How can I make a JAG 1/350 PT boat into a 1/400 PT for deck cargo on a Mission Capistrano? Should I use a photocopier with a reduction feature, << I've never figured how to put the materials into the feed paper stack to have the X-rox make me a new kit in a differenct scale. All seriousness aside ... the JAG boat would be roughly 12% too big to be used as deck cargo. How would you go about forceing perspective? Using a shadow box -- if you were tied up at a dock and cranes were offloading the deck cargo -- then you may be able to work it out. Underway -- the tanker and the PTs are the same relative distance (+/-) from the eyepoint. I think your best bet would be to scratch a hull and deck house. You wouldn't need to worry about the guns & deck fittings as they'd be installed when the boat reached its destination. If the tanker with PT deck cargo is your goal -- check the Loose Cannon AO Cossatot/Cowanesque -- it comes with a deck load ot PT boats Ed Mansfield, Tx -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "hugh1lottie2" Subject: Coast Guard Models The Coast Guard Cutter in question is the Eastwind circa 1944 with the twin 5" aft and Grumman Duck. I would advise you to show up early as there will be a limited amount but if you do miss picking one up they will be available through Colpar Hobbies. Look for the Red, white and blue "Loose Cannon" sign. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: "hugh1lottie2" Subject: Forced Perspective You could cast and recast until the part was 1/400 or you could take the easy way out and do the 1/700 T-2 tanker from Loose Cannon that comes with four PT's in transit and a choice of two styles of cargo decks already in the kit. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: Chuck Messer Subject: Re: Revell Great Eastern Thorsten, I have the original Entex release of the Great Eastern (if it's the same kit), and I believe it shows the big ship as she looked when laying down the first trans-atlantic cable. Great Eastern was the creation of Isambard Kingdom Brunel. He had a big name, but wasn't much over five feet tall. He made up for that by building the BIGGEST bridges, drydocks, ships etc. He designed the Great Western, the first purposely designed trans-atlantic steamer. (There is an Airfix kit of that one). He went on to build the Great Britain, an iron hulled screw steamer (1840's) which had the features that would be incorporated into the ocean liners of the 20th century. The Great Eastern was Brunel's greatest creation -- and the ship killed him. Not all at once. The beast was too big to launch stern-first into the Thames, so she was launched sideways. She got stuck. Stuck for several months. By the time she was finally in the water, Brunel had ruined his health during the herculean efforts to get this giant, approx. 30,000 ton ship launched. He collapsed on her deck they day of her launching, and died days later. Her first captain fell overboard and drowned on his way to the ship, she was the subject of of some mutinies, 13 law suits, and lost money every time she put to sea. No one had ever built or launched or operated anything that big before. She was three to five times bigger than the second largest ship. She also survived (barely) one of the worst hurricanes in the recorded history of the Atlantic. When she was scrapped in the early 1900's, they had to invent the wrecking ball to dismantle her. The lower hull had a double hull design, which saved her from sinking when she struck a rock. When she was being scrapped, the reportedly found the skeleton of a riveter who had been riveted into the lower double hull. Some said that was the source of the "curse" on the Great Eastern. Actually, Brunel's ideas were often way ahead of their time, and the materials, and propulsion technology just were not up to his designs. They included landing ships, tanks, etc. which he designed during the 1850's. No one could build them. He also built a mobile army hospital that was cleaner and more comfortable than most permanent hospitals, using sheet metal panels. A book on the Great Eastern and it's inventor was published, but I think it's out of print. It's called The Iron Ship, but I don't recall the author. There was an animated cartoon honoring Brunel made in the 1970's. Chuck -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "Trevor Pye" Subject: Help!! G'day, I was wondering if yo might be able to help me out... I've inherited a 1/250th Yamato ARII Plastic kit, minus the assembly guide.... soo many many many pieces.. an no idea where they belong!!! I was hoping you may know of some way I could aquire a copy of a guide, since I was given the kit, paying for a reproduction isn't a problem. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.! Thanks Trevor Pye -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: Minadmiral@aol.com Subject: Re: Major calibre ordinance >> Actually the Army uses guns larger than 155mm. I would also question the statement that we no longer have the ability to produce larger gun barrels. We may not have the physical plant on line at the moment, but the capability could be revived if necessary. << Correct- Army had a self propelled long barrel 175mm (M-107?) and a short barrel 203mm (M-110) when I was in Nam (1968). Vehicle differed only in gun size. Currently all vehicles seem to have been re-equipped with a long barrel 203mm (M-110 A2). Is the factory "mothballed" to produce 16" barrels? I had understood that the equipment was scrapped. My fading memory seems to think this may have been the Watervlit (sp?) arsenal? Chuck Duggie WoodenWalls Listmeister Naval wargamer, amateur naval historian, and ship modeler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: ".." <0@0> Subject: Re: INS Mysore >> Does any one know what the Indian ship MYSORE is designed after? It was made in India and is very Russian looking with Russian weapons. I felt it looked like a Krivak III with the Helo deck, but I have never seen a Russian ship up close. << Hi, As far as I know, the MYSORE is our own design, preceded by the DELHI. Best wishes, Arjun Sarup Mauritius -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: "David Miller" Subject: PT's for Revell's tanker (1/400) Ned, If you can be patient, Loose Cannon has FUTURE plans to upscale both its PE and some cast parts from their T-2 tanker to match Revell's box scale kit. This would include the PT deckload, weapons and alternate stacks currently included in their 1/700 kit. Anyone out there interested in this possibility should let LCP know, maybe that will spur him on to quicker action! You may e-mail me at dmduck@brevard.net or Dave Angelo at lcp@email.msn.com and express your interest in this upgrade kit. Dave Miller Palm Bay, FL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: "Chris Drage" Subject: contact...... Hi all, If Ken Summa is still a SMMLie could he get in touch with me at: mailto:chris@drage.co.uk Cheers! Regards Chris He tao rakau e taea te karo kupu kaore e taea te karo (Te reo Maori) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Shane Subject: APMA site update Hi gang, By the time most of you read this, the next update to the Australian Plastic Modeller's Assoc will be on online. Items include the following: New photos in the members section including one by fellow SMMLie Ian Wrenford. No on topic pics unfortunately. Updated links page APMA magazine indexes updated to cover issue 2/2000 Shane's Shiplist is updated to include the latest modelling magazines including the latest Plastic Ship Modeler. Also, more Warships Quarterlies & the old IPMS(USA) Quarterly has now been added - some recognisable names in those volumes as well ;-). The Think Tank page has also been updated with the latest issues. Regards, Shane APMA VP http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "lcp9" Subject: Re: Eastwind Mark, Loose Canon is offering the EASTWIND kit. Stop by our table in Dallas!! David -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Shaya Novak" Subject: 1/350 SMS KONIG & GROSSER KURFURST & HMS SNOWBERRY Pardone me fellow SMML'ers Our website had a glitch yesterday and we were down. Again we have the 2 ICM ships on sale at 20% off. Find them on the "Pre & Post WWI" ship page. We have received in the US the HMS Snowberry the 1/72 scale Flower Class Corvette. Six came in and 5 went out the door before it went up on our website. One left with more coming in price 89.95. Find on the "Patrol Boat" page. Shaya www.modelshipbuilding.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: GrafSpee34@aol.com Subject: Big Gun Monitors & Bismarck Books Hi Some time ago there was a discussion about Ian Buxton's OOP book "Big Gun Monitors" and how difficult it was to find. I decided to sell my copy. I am also selling a copy of Breyer and Koop's excellent "Bismarck" photo book which is likewise OOP. (Gabi at Christian Schmidt Books in Munich says there are no plans to reprint this one) The deal is this-- I will send the proceeds to the foundation to save the the USS Cabot from the torch. The Cabot is a WW2 aircraft carrier, and the last one still in original configuration! Big Gun Monitors: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=381203674 Bismarck: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=381198366 And check out the improving situtation with the USS Cabot at www.ironwoman.org Its a win-win-win situation! I get my money back for the book plus some shelf space, somebody gets a great book, and the Cabot gets a desperately needed helping hand. If you're not interested in bidding on the books, think about making a direct donation to the USS Cabot. I will report back later on the amount raised through this venture. Thanks Dave Krakow -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Model Ship Journal website Model Ship Journal now has a website at: modelshipjournal.com. You'll find info on our first issue, pictures of the cover and interior spreads. John Sheridan is setting it up, so you know it will be top notch. If you wait the 45 seconds it takes to load the homepage photo, you'll be treated to a large image of the Atkins & Associates model of an 83' USCG patrol boat circa 1940s. They built it as the official builder's model. In the near future, we will also be posting images from our Photomarine Archives collection of black and white/color images. Enjoy. Victor Baca Editor & Publisher MODEL SHIP JOURNAL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume