Subject: SMML VOL 975 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 00:04:31 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: vet data 2: Re: HMS Campbeltown 3: Re: used barrels 4: Re: Worlds oldest SMMLer 5: Re: Veterans 6: Re: Vets and Eyesores... 7: Re: Vet Thread 8: Sevice Thread 9: Re: Veterans 10: Mike and American Humor 11: National Sense of Humor/Vet Thread 12: Mike Dunn 13: vet's thread 14: Ship's Plans & Poison Pens 15: Airfix H M S Hood 16: Vet Thread 17: Re: WAR MACHINES 18: Re: Looking for a book 19: Re: Humour & the American 20: Re: 16 inch barrels 21: Re: Looking for a Book 22: Re: Sprue, JMSDF colors & Service 23: Museum of Naval Aviation 24: Reheat Punch and Die set 25: Vet 26: vets 27: Warship Pictorial 28: Combat Queen? 29: Re: service thread 30: Re: Konig, etc 31: Sprue 32: Re: Vet Thread 33: FriedrichFiles Vol. 4 34: Railings -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts 1: Re: IPMS-SMML Reception -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: IPMS 2000 Ship Modeling program -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: ALROSS2@aol.com Subject: Re: vet data USNR 3/64-3/74 Active duty 6/69-3/71 VA-36 - NAS CECIL FIELD, FL 7/69-12/69 Med deployment on FORRESTAL 12/69-7/70 VP-16 BERMUDA deployment 7/70-10/70 NAS JACKSONVILLE, FL 10/70-3/71 Honorably Discharged as a YN3. Al Ross -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: ALROSS2@aol.com Subject: Re: HMS Campbeltown >> CAMPBELTOWN?... By the way, wouldn't that kit be a reboxing of the Revell AARON WARD? << Yup, same model, different box art. A conversion to the St. Nazaire configuration would require about the same amount of work as on the original! CAMPBELTOWN (ex-BUCHANAN DD131) was refitted at least twice in RN service. The State One refit included removal of the two aft sets of torpedo tubes and 4" gun. A 12 pdr was mounted atop the aft deckhouse, #4 stack was cut down, the prop guards replaced with a different design, and the depth charge racks were replaced with an RN type. The second refit, for the St Nazaire raid, radically changed the appearance of the ship. Both aft stacks, all tubes, the 4" and 12 pdr, and the searchlight tower were removed. The bridge was simplified and the shape of the remaining stacks were altered to simulate a MOWE class torpedo boat. Al Ross -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Roland Mar Subject: Re: used barrels To: Chris Crofoot If I remember correctly, the barrels actually used for the penetrator munitions ["bunker busters"] were done as a rush job [<100 days] at Watervliet Arsenal. They modified 8" howitzer barrels, adding warhead, guidance package, and a bloody great rocket to accelerate it enough to push it through the ground. The concept was that Saddam had [I believe] 7 bunkers that were deep and hard enough that conventional munitions could not get them. He was running the war moving from bunker to bunker. It would have required small nukes to take them out, which would have ruined a lot of people's days, including those people trying to hold the Coalition ogether. These were able to do it. The plan was to either remove Saddam from the Iraqi C3 loop permanently, or chase him into the open where we, or some irate Iraqis, could change their chain of command. There were only 2 specially modified Aardvarks that could carry one each. In the last 12 hours of the war, they each got in one mission, successfully taking out their assigned bunkers. 2 Down 5 left. The war ended a tad too soon. In two more days; a) Saddam would have at least been a lot more vulnerable if not gone, and b) US ground forces would have cut off the Republican Guard from getting back to Iraq. This would have saved a lot of wear and tear on the Kurds, the Marsh Arabs, and the UN inspectors. I think there were design projects for 16" barrels, but you have to have an aircraft big enough to carry the thing tactically. If anyone else has better or additional information, I'd be glad to hear it.. Roland Mar -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "RON" Subject: Re: Worlds oldest SMMLer I believe it is nerver to late, nor can I express my appreciation enough to our WWII Vets. For myself, my children and my grandchildren---Thank you Ron Schmitt Puyallup WA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Marc Flake Subject: Re: Veterans Served as a base policeman at the Naval Training Center in Orlando, Florida, 1972-1976. Only combat duty I saw was wading into drunk sailors celebrating the end of boot camp. Signed up to "See the world," and ending up seeing Disney World, Circus World, Wax World, Sea World, etc., etc., etc. Marc JO3 USN -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Christopher Hughes" Subject: Re: Vets and Eyesores... Well, another Brit "vet" for the growing list... Joined the Royal Artillery July '73, first posting to Hong Kong, where I served with 3rd Royal Horse Artillery defending the Capitalist pimple on the Dragon's Rump... Got to go on board USS New Orleans when she put in for R & R. We used to have some whacky conversations with guys in Vietnam when the atmospheric conditions were playing tricks with our radios... Tours in UK and Germany, including deployment with the "Swingfire" ATGW system. Transferred to Intelligence Corps in '79, with some very "interesting" tours, including being under command 302 MI Bn/"V" US Corps during Desert Storm working as an Imagery Analyst. Retired as a WO2 in '95 and joined Civil Service - now doing the same job for a lot less money! Part of my duties include looking after the Photo Interpretation Museum at our base at Chicksands (well known to the USAF "Dark Side"...) where I get to look at some very interesting stuff, some of which I let folks know about in here. I'm about to move to another job, which will give me daily access to all our archive stuff (unclassified, that is...) over 30 years old - so there may be some more gems in the future... I'm working on getting some scans of the "Stettin, May '45" images) As for ship names, spare a thought for our female sailors who serve on HMS Beaver... Their Cap Tallies draw a LOT of attention when they go ashore in the USA!! Chris -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Alan Simon Subject: Re: Vet Thread Entered Naval OCS, Newport, RI, 11/68; commissioned Ensign USNR, 4/69. Served exclusively aboard USS GRAND CANYON AD28, homeported in Newport. Was DASH Division Officer in Weapons Department. While aboard, AD28 made two Med cruises - to Valetta, Malta and Naples, Italy. P.S. GRAND CANYOH was member of SHENANDOAH Class (modified C-3 hull destroyer tender). Have had no success finding plans or any suggestions for modeling AD28 by modifying existing plastic kit, any scale. Any ideas? Alan Simon Atlanta, Ga. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "K. Hagerup" Subject: Sevice Thread I served in the USN as an EA-6B Naval Flight Officer. I made deployments on USS Ranger, Nimitz, Constellation and Independence, and got traps on a few additional decks during a tour as a flight instructor. Current ship project is a 1/700 Fletcher class. Regards, Kenneth Hagerup LCDR, USN (Ret.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Bruce Ross" Subject: Re: Veterans I guess just for the record here's my resume. Joined the USN just in time to participate in the final pullout of Saigon on USS Preble DLG-15. Hit various commands over the years mostly all DD's and CG's, although I did do a couple of admiral's staff tours. Finally about half way through decided the guys on the outside where making more money so I went reserve and went back to school. Ended my career in Uncle Sam's canoe club after 22 years as a Chief Operations Specialist. That was 4 years ago, don't time fly when you're having fun! Bruce -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Loren Perry Subject: Mike and American Humor To Mike - You will henceforth refrain from accusing Americans of lacking a sense of humor. This is wholly unacceptable and will no longer be tolerated by my fellow Americans on this site, or any similar site. Any future attempt to besmirch the humorous nature of Americans will be met with the most severe legal consequences. If you persist in insulting our collective sense of humor with your unfounded accusations and/or insinuations, you will tried in an American court of law, convicted, and summarily executed. >:-< Loren Perry/GMM Hi Loren & all the other Yanks & Poms, Hey, I reckon it's just the difference between the two countries here. Besides, we all know yanks are "humourless" they always forget to put the "u" in, along with other spelling mistakes such as "getting people to kiss their donkeys or mules" etc ;-þ. Shane - who enjoys taking the piss outa both Yanks & Poms - mainly because it's soooo easy to do ;-þ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Joel Labow Subject: National Sense of Humor/Vet Thread >> a lot of Americans seem to have a poor to non-existant sense of humour << At least one Englishman seems rather prone to overgeneralizations when dealing with the colonies.....but then I suppose that civilizing her poor rustic cousins is Old Mother England's mission in life! (;-) As far as the vet thread goes: 1962 Navy boot camp followed by torpedoman 'A' school. 1962-66 College via a Navy scholarship. 1966-67 ASW officer, USS Mullinnix (DD-944) (but during a Vietnam deployment got grabbed to be a forward gunfire observer anyway!). 1967-69 ASW officer/navigator, USS McCloy (DE-1038). Spent 6 months as part of the standing NATO naval squadron. I spent 6 weeks aboard HMS Leander (during which I found no discernable differences in RN/USN senses of humo(u)r!). 1969-71 Officer instructor, Navy Officer Candidate School, Newport, RI 1971-75 Medical school via the GI bill. 1975-now Navy medical officer. I will retire next summer with 39+ years of service.....and wouldn't change one of them! Joel Labow Captain, Medical Corps, USN -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Lump518176@aol.com Subject: Mike Dunn Hey Limey Mike, We Americans have a great sense of humor (not humour) about ourselves! We are all just damn happy not to live in England with guys like you! Kiss my "humorless" American ass you condescending prick.:) Jerry Phillips....LOL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Melea/Mike Maynard" Subject: vet's thread Whew, just finished powering through 2 weeks of SMMLies after spending 10 days away in the "Heartland"( the sun doesn't set in Minnesota till 10 PM, makes the corn grow taller I guess) Anyway, I hope I can put my 2 cents in on the vet thread.... Enlisted 1969, served on the cutters CAMPBELL (WHEC 32), DUANE, BIBB, the dreaded NANTUCKET SHOALS LIGHTSHIP, POINT TURNER, CAMPBELL (WMEC-909) and WHITE LUPINE. Did some shore billets too including the prestigious keeper of Boston Lighthouse( OK, I spent 2 months temporary duty painting the damn light, ruined a lot of chambray shirts and my boon dockers) Never fired a shot in anger but had a run in with a Cuban Gunboat(plus neat looking MIGs) and a similar match with a Mexican ship(ex USN WWII minesweeper.) The Mexicans thought our aerostat ship in the Yucatan was some type of drug ship and was in the process of firing on it. Our "presence" plus our Spanish speaking cook saved the day. Went to GQ and had the old 76mm OTO whats-its-name locked and loaded, yee ha, it don't get much better than that! And had the good fortune to SERVE AND PROTECT George Bush Senior in Maine when he was taking a couple of days off from the Oval Office. He seemed like a pretty good guy, he stopped by to chat with us from his GO FAST boat and of course we couldn't keep up with the damn thing, he had a lead foot, opps, lead throttle hand and a 30+ knot boat. Got piped over the side this past March 1st at of all places an AIR STATION full of zoomies and rotorheads!!! Retired and trying to build 25 years of plastic(and wood) ship models... Sempar Paratus! Mike M. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Ship's Plans & Poison Pens I had to get out my fire extinguisher to douse the flames fanned by a fellow named Dunn. We have a difference of opinion regarding ship's plans as shown in some magazines. I respect his, he needs to look up the meaning of the word. The internet has fostered a feeling among some that common decency and respect have no place in this new form of communication. Bah! Maybe there are those who feel threatened by our new journal. Believe me, we only compete against our own last issue. Now, as to who's shooting off at the mouth, Dunn stepped into something he was not really equipped to defend. There is more than meets the eye with Mr. Dunn's recent tirades against those of us who are trying our best to offer good reference material for the scale ship modeler. The real gentleman has no need to use belittlling tones, nationalism and innuendo to mask his weak position or hidden agenda. Victor M. Baca Editor & Publisher Model Ship Journal -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Connor, Michael" Subject: Airfix H M S Hood Hi ALL, Many thanks to all those who replied to my request. I think I will go with the 5.25" guns. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: JECHAM3981@aol.com Subject: Vet Thread Active Duty US Army 1969-1972 Rifle Platoon Leader, later Rifle Company Commander in 2dBn, 14th Infantry, 25th Infantry Division in Vietnam (and Cambodia) 1970. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: WAR MACHINES >> Does any one have the War Machine Encyclopedia (Orbis and/or octopus publishing) issues covering WW1 naval ships that they would like to sell, or does any one know where I might pick them up? << There's a guy on Ebay selling the whole set and he claims to have quite a few sets. Cheers, Bob Santos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Bob and Teresa" Subject: Re: Looking for a book I'd like to publicly acknowledge and thank Messers. Morse, Taylor,and Chappell for riding to the rescue in my book quest. I'd have these gentlemen as my mess-mates in the wardroom anytime. Thanks again gentlemen,and everybody else-tell your friends that posting on SMML does work! KLorton -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: Humour & the American Mike, You need to read your own writing. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! You are just another one of those who has to hide behind the keyboard and spue bigotry. If your ever in the US, be sure to look me up, I'll show you my sense of humour. Now SHUT UP! Steve Wiper Ok guys, you've both had your say on this, now both of you shut up & take this conversation off list. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: CaptainOD@aol.com Subject: Re: 16 inch barrels While at the War College Carlisle Pa, was working on my Master's thesis, USS North Carolina. One of elective classes was on American/local history and through that toured sites around the area including a carpet factory. And in that factory off to the side in the warehouse was huge lathes and milling equipment used to make 16 inch Naval gun barrel liners. During the war many shipbuilding functions were subcontracted including a lot of ordnance. It's amazing what you can find in dusty corners. Bob O'Donovan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "Bob and Teresa" Subject: Re: Looking for a Book And the offers keep rolling in !! Saturday,I couldn't find the book to save my soul, and Sunday --- an embarassment of riches. Thanks again to all SMMLies. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: Rick Heinbaugh Subject: Re: Sprue, JMSDF colors & Service RhinoBones wrote: >> ... but I still wonder why someone would take the time to stretch spru when so may other options are available. Would like to hear from anyone who can give me some details on the techniques of stretching spru and even more importantly, any advantages stretched spru has over thread, fishing line and the like. << I prefer it to thread because thread starts out fat & fuzzy, and is still fat after being waxed. I prefer sprue to fishing line (monofilament) because I like to use black sprue really thin, and since I haven't found any black fishing line yet, it has to be painted. And the paint adds thickness, so it's not really thin anymore. That's MY opinion... Raynor Johnston wrote: >> Can anyone advise what a suitable deck color would be for 1980 "Hatasyuki" class large frigates. Would the same color be on the bridge deck, helio deck and the top deck aft of the funnel, << I like Model Master (MM) Dark Ghost Gray (FS36320) for the vertical surfaces and Gunship Gray (FS 36118) for most of the horizontal surfaces (all the decks except the flight deck). For the JMSDF flight deck, the one that visited Seattle seemed to me to have a serious greenish cast, so I am happy with MM Euro I Gray (FS36081) back there. I like the relative shades of these three colors in 1/700 scale. By the way, a bunch of JMSDF ships have canvas (herculite, whatever) screens on the lifelines of the upper decks. (I think the RN called it "dodgers" in WW II - no idea what we call it in USN). I have seen this canvas in white and various light - to medium shades of gray. I modeled this by painting the railings, covering one side with thinned white glue (Elmer's) and then painting the glue side only with the canvas color. This way, on the inside you can see railing color against the canvas, and on the outside, you can only see the canvas. And the thinned glue curved as it dried, so it was not as rigid-looking as sheet plastic would have been. Service? that awkward period: Enlisted USN in 1973 (missed Viet Nam) - Aviation Electronics Technician. Commissioned 1980 - served on USS JOUETT (CG 29), INDEPENDENCE (CV 62) & STEIN (FF 1065). (Made the cruise to Grenada & Lebanon in 1983/4, but it didn't feel like "combat" on a CV. Our biggest concern was developing procedures for dealing with an expected helicopter full of terrorists. They never showed up. And that was a good thing. Some combat might have gotten a page in a history book, but the job got done without casualties, and that was better.) Left active duty in 1991 (missed Desert Storm). USNR until retiring as CDR in 1997. Golly - no combat. Does that mean I was in the wrong place at the right time or the right place? Some philosophical comment here seems appropriate, but it seems OK to me to have as many people as possible serve long careers without shooting or getting shot. I like the subject of our hobby, but things are better when military forces don't get used. All the same, my hat is off to the folks who were called to shoot and be shot at. Rick Heinbaugh Seattle, WA Cheezy poofs: Just say No! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: "O'Connor" Subject: Museum of Naval Aviation SMMLies, I just got home from a long weekend at Pensacola, Fla, the "Birthplace of Naval Aviation". Took the family to the "Red White and Blues" weekend, kicking off the Blue Angel's airshow season with a show over Pensacola Beach. AWESOME!! Along with that show was a side trip to the Museum of Naval Aviation at NAS P'Cola. The museum is great-and in spite of some purists on the list who decry anything without a hull- it's an inspiring and educational wonder of living history. The museum has a great deal of original shipbuilders models, mostly aircraft carriers in 1/72 and 1/144 scale. Displayed are models of USS LANGLEY, USS ENTERPRISE (CVN 65), USS ESSEX, USS MIDWAY, and many others.The fully restored ,original aircraft date back to the Sopwith Baby and Snipe,floatplanes purchased from the British early on. The museum also has the original Quarterdeck "scoreboards" from the USS Essex and USS Wasp, showing the engagements, kills and significant events in which these ships were involved.I remember the ESSEX scoreboard from my youth, when my dad was stationed aboard, and I marvelled at the sight of it then. I still do. I strongly urge anyone who has the chance to see this FREE museum and the surrounding facilities. The volunteer tour guides are all retired Navy and Marine Corps heroes- most in thier 60's or better, giving their time to help the beautifully restored equipment from years gone by to live again for the rest of us.God bless them all. Bob O'Connor, newly inspired in Florida... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: "Devin J. Poore" Subject: Reheat Punch and Die set Okay, I'm ready to bite the bullet and shell out for a punch and die set. I was going to get the Waldron set, but a few weeks ago someone mentioned something about a set by a company named Reheat. Anyone seen both sets and have any recommendations? I hear you get more for the money with the Reheat set, but I don't want to surrender quality for quantity. Thanks, Devin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: spullig Subject: Vet I was USNR. 1969-71. USS MARS AFS-1 and USS REGULUS AF-57. Postal Clerk. WESPAC whole time. Replenished most or the ships off Viet Nam. Had a good time. Did't get shot at, drew combat pay, got to see some great places. Samuel W. Pullig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: edger1 Subject: vets I am a Vet but not of the US Navy. US Army 1970-1991. Served in 10th Special forces Group (ABN), MACV, USASA, INSCOM and various training commands. Spent all my time performing intel collection and analysis. Had three bouts with ships though: First on a SSBN fresh out of overhaul to practice seaborne insertion techniques (10th SFG). Second on the NIMITZ for a six week stint learning about our Soviet friend in the Med. Last in the brig of the Iwo Jima after being captured by a Seal team during exercise in Sardinia (most uncomfortable). My only claim to Naval fame is an ancestor in the War of 1812, Commodore Tucker. I plan on attending the IPMS show in Dallas and hope to meet some of the SMMLis I've grown to know by reading the list. Yours, Dave Edgerly MSG, USA (ret) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Warship Pictorial I'm in Silicon Valley this weekend, and took the time to go to D&J Hobbies (as was recommended). Every bit as good as promised. Picked up five copies of WP that were on the shelves, and to say that I'm impressed would be a gross understatement. Steve, as a former IPMS Journal editor (and lifelong magazine editor/publisher in "real life") I have to say I am VERY impressed. Well done! Now, where can I get kits (ones I can afford) of these fine ships ? Ned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Combat Queen? Anybody have a source for after-market (or kit-salvagable) parts needed to militarize the Queen Mary - I have that 1/570 kit (modelcrafter?) and I'm slowly accumulating sources (extra sources also welcome); though she's a fine looking ship in civilian colors, there's something about seeing her in combat gray (color scheme/kit paint equivalent info also welcome) ... Thanks Ned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: CapnAgee@aol.com Subject: Re: service thread For Kevin...get your son assigned to a carrier... they have Tiger Cruises; be thankful, he got through the Academy and is in the Navy. My son got bumped because he (at age 13) had been on doctor prescribed prozac for six-months. Marijuana and booze would have been OK. Ray Agee aka CapnAgee@aol.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) From: "T. Stephen Rogers" Subject: Re: Konig, etc >> Well Ive just sent my check of to GMM for his PE set for Konig. I also will get the WEM set when it comes out...i have an early mark of this kit...no decals or Battle flags...there any out there for this period? Also, Anybody know where I can get a set of plans for SMS Derfflinger as she looked at Jutland?? << Hello everyone, I'm quite pleased with this interest in WW1 ships and I too will acquire the GMM set. If anyone does have good data and drawings on the Derfflinger I would also be interested. Steve Rogers -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Sprue >> As a side note - As a kid I would set a piece of plastic spru on fire. As it burned it emitted a cloud of black sooty smoke. As I recall the soot would stick to everything . . . made for wonderful "weathering" and detailing of burning air planes, vehicles and ships!! Of course there were always people who didn't understand why it was necessary to burn a piece of plastic in the bedroom (mother comes to mind), but it certainly made for good theater << As a kid, I did that, too. I still have a scar on my instep from a blob of burning plastic that was more precise than your average Stuka. It was great for mimmicking battle damage in the pre-airbrush days, but it had the sad habit of melting cowlings ... Sprue, vs. fishing line, can be stretched in colors; and, with a mild application of heat, it can be tightened up. Simple process, great results. However, it is far more fragile than fishing line. Ned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 32) From: Minadmiral@aol.com Subject: Re: Vet Thread Hi; US Army 1967-1969 Field Medic Vietnam 1968 6bn/56ADA (HAWK) TET Chuck Duggie WoodenWalls Listmeister Naval wargamer, amateur naval historian, and ship modeler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 33) From: Friedrich Kappes Subject: FriedrichFiles Vol. 4 And once again, it´s me: Has anybody these information? Heubude (former Polish tug "Nida", became German after 9/1/1939) completed in? Huit Amis, Les (French, since 1798: Brit. "Boneta") completed in? Jaskolka (Polish minesweeper ~1934) date of commission Johan Reinecke II (German tug ~1913) completed in? Jules Verne (French civil chemical transport,1965) length Königin Luise (German civil coastal passenger transport ~1934) range, date of completion König von Preußen (Brandenburg-Prussian frigate) seaworthyness, fighting qualities, date of commission Kronprins Olaf (Danish, became German "Frankfurt" in WWII) completed in? Thanks in advance Friedrich The FriedrichFiles -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 34) From: Christopher Crofoot Subject: Railings I've got a question concerning railings. I'm working on my airfix Warspite and some plans I have feature a device on the railings for which I'm uncertain of the need to represent. I understand how the conventional railing was made 'clear' for action but this concerns a second higher stanchion (perhaps about 8'-10' ft tall) that was spaced about every 4th conventional stantionl. It had a wire running through it at the top of the stanchion. It doesn't appear to be a canopy support since it runs the circumference of the ship. My question is what is it? Would it have appeared during wartime? I've seen it more commonly on predreadnaught class ships so perhaps it wasn't standard equipment by the time of WWII. Chris Crofoot -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Marc Flake Subject: Re: IPMS-SMML Reception With no further votes coming in, the reception will be between 3 p.m and 5 p.m. on Saturday, July 22. As the National Comittee Meeting is scheduled for Room 2, I guess we are in Room 1. Looking forward to seeing y'all there. No need to bring long pants, it's "Bermuda shorts" weather down here through August. And bring a hat if you plan on being outside for more than 5 minutes -- it's a lot cooler when you carry your own shade. Marc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Ed Grune Subject: IPMS 2000 Ship Modeling program Hello all I have a problem that I hope that someone who is planning on attending the IPMS Nats can help me. The person that was scheduled to do the Ship Modeling seminar contacted me yesterday and cancelled - citing personal reasons. Is there someone who would be willing to do a presentation? Topic -- its up to you: Basic Ship Modeling, Plastic hows, Resin hows, Details (i.e. brass), Creating a master mold, Camoflage measures. Schedule -- the ship program was scheduled for Thursday am -- it can be moved to Saturday morning with no problem. I have one speaker request which I sent out that I haven't received a response. If you can help, please contact me directly at mailto:efgrune@flash.net. Let me know your topic, schedule preferences, and A/V requirements Thanks Ed Mansfield, TX IPMS NCT Speaker coordinator -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume