Subject: SMML VOL 982 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:58:05 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: IPMS-Dallas-correction 2: Nats last day 3: Re: bases 4: 'Snipe Hunts' 5: DD21 6: Re: Snipe hunts 7: Re: "buddahstat 8: Alot of untold stories! 9: Oiler Model 10: USS Los Angeles CA-135 11: Maxwell AFB 12: Re: Shirley's "buddahstat" and other snipe hunts 13: Star Wars 14: Re: snipe hunts & Green Anti fouling Paint 15: Ski Jumps 16: "Snipe Hunt" 17: Italian Navy 18: base question -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Site uploads -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Marc Flake Subject: IPMS-Dallas-correction Hi gang: Just need to correct something from my last post, made two hours past my bed-time. Gary Kingzett's Iron Duke is a 1/600 Airfix kit. The category was 1/401 and smaller. Also, Ed Grune's submarine was the Bushnel Turtle. If I remember correctly, it's not much bigger than my thumbnail. I know John Collins had a Spruance-class ship in competition, but I don't know for sure if this was the one that won or not. Now I've got some "Honey do's" I've been putting off for the past three weeks. First up -- mow the lawn. See y'all later, Marc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: cwjerden Subject: Nats last day Howdy All, Nats is over, with this days fresh Dawn NCT people find the models all gone But it did go over, though not with out a hitch Yet the modelers enjoyed it, each group in their nitch Refreshed in our spirit and poorer of oh so much money Dedecated to build, after we do for our honey It's a new day today, this morn after Nats and Chicago get ready ,cause this job will drive you Bats! Best whises and prayers for those SMMLies who travel May your passage be smooth and no sail dare unravil Cause there's no place like home, keyboard under hand And there are no freinds like these, our merry SMMLie band The cowboy poet Well Folks, Nats has concluded and I did have fun. I saw a lot of ships By SMMLies and some yery fine models by folks that should be SMMLies soon. Always offer up the list to any ship modeler you find that hasn't heard of us yet!! I didn't go to the awards dinner, prior commitments, so hopeful Marc Flake, or Ed Grune will report on the winners for us. I did go to the SMML meeting on Saturday. It was great to put some faces to the electronic names on this list. Someone with a digital camara shot a photo of us so maybe they will post it. I do think this should be a staple of every Nats. Whenever Modelers come together SMMLies should set aside time to meet, even if it's just two of you. The fellowship of the meeting is what it is all about. I'am inspired to work on my modeling skills, to boost them to the next level. Thats what I hoped to get out of nats and I found it. To all the ship modelers out there who talked with me about their work, Thanks. One last bit of Biz, I mentioned Lester Haines and his affordable and qaulity cases. He custom builds them from N-Scale model RR to Huge Dioramas for what seems like a good price.I mentioned his web site but filed to provide an adress, sorry. His Web site is very plain but it has all the contact info on him; http://www.homestead.com/modelcases/journal.html For Ed Grune, Tell your friend to check out; http://www.modelwarshipcombat.com Check the links page, look for Swampworks and Battlers conection for hulls and systems. I scatch built my fist hull and still do all my own systems but I now have a fiberglass hull from each of them. Nice way to start. John Sheridan, you were correct on all but Bolxie Miss, that was Keesler AFB (I belive). good work, Biz Done. I had a great time at nats and enjoyed having something to type about to the list. Time for me to get on with the chores of the day now. Goodnight and Goodspeed Charles Jerden From "where the west begins" Ft. Worth, Texas -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: ALROSS2@aol.com Subject: Re: bases >> Maxwell AFB. << HMMMMMM. The base at Biloxi was called Keesler AFB when I was there. << Isn't Maxwell AFB in Alabama? Al Ross -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Joel Labow Subject: 'Snipe Hunts' Loren, Here are a few more: The venerable 'Mail Buoy Watch.' Turning on the cooling water for the handrails. The perennial search for the 'keys to the steam chest.' (now a thing of the past with the end of steam propulsion in the non-nuclear Navy.) The quest for the can-opener the canned AAWEX (for non-OPS types a canned AAWEX is a prerecorded AAW drill used to train CIC personnel.) Many years ago, when I was the 'Bull' Ensign and lord of all I surveyed (I thought!), one of the men in my division came to me with a requisition for a can of 'Monkey S*%t. Scorning such an obvious ploy I sent him packing. Shortly thereafter I received a visitation from my leading chief, who explained in the firm tones used by senior enlisted men to deal with unruly children and uppity Ensigns that the aforementioned term was Navy parlance for the mastic used to waterproof cable runs through WT bulkheads. I guess one can become too suspicious.....! Joel Labow -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "S Sachsen" Subject: DD21 >> Instead of comparing DD21 to a 19th century powered raft take a look at a modern oceangoing tugboat... they are low and wet as a half-tide rock. << you are right--I stand corrected. s -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: CapnTroy@aol.com Subject: Re: Snipe hunts Loren, On my ship (USS Curts FFG-38), we were especially fond of sending bootcampers to the repair locker looking for an "HT punch" whereupon the first class HT would inflict a nasty blow to their arm, and we had a constant stream of "boots" coming up to the wheelhouse looking for a can of relative bearing grease. On occasion, when we sailed with a larger than normal compliment of new guys, the entire ship (including the CO and XO) would get involved in stationing the "mail buoy watch," with a dozen or so of the new guys decked out in kapok life jackets, hardhats and boathooks stationed up on the foc'sle looking for the mailbuoy (how else do you get mail at sea), It always ended with the BM1 running up to the foc'sle yelling that they had missed the mailbuoy and now we wouldn't have mail call, the recruits were then lead to the messdecks where the CO & XO would let them off the hook. A good way to kill half a day at sea. Troy Waters -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: NAVYDAZE@aol.com Subject: Re: "buddahstat Well, we had to do something to get over the boredome of being overseas so long during vietnam (11 months) There were two good ones that I remember on the KITTY HAWK. So whenever we would pick up new boots we would make sure they new what there were doing. 1. Send them down to the Bos'n Locker for a can of "relative bearing" grease - that would really crack them up in 1st division (we were 3rd division). That came to a stop when one of the boots asked the ship's Bos'n (a warrant officer). 2. The other was when we would put them out on a sponson at night with lifejacket, gloves, goggles, headphones and a boat hook so they could stand "Mailbouy" watch - keeping in mind that sponson was about 50 feet above the water. We would plug their phones into a non-used circut and have them report into us in a compartment or two down the line - that came a halt when we plugged them accidently into the 1JV and they reported into the Bridge watch as the we all reported - The O.D got on the line to find out what was going on. We took our boot and got off that sponson in a hurry. Ah, the things you do to keep you sanity!! Mike NAVYDAZE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Shaya Novak" Subject: Alot of untold stories! 1) The first is the new book "Day of Deceit" which documents in full the attack on Pearl Harbor was orchestrated by The Roosevelt administration. I've read it and am shocked to find out what his administration new and how events were manipulated to cause the carnage at Pearl. The total cover up from the Democrats and the Navy Dept. has for almost 60 years been a rewriting of actual history. Gen. Short & Adm Kimmel were used as pawns and then left to be blamed for the fiasco, that FDR and his Cabinet knew about. Read it and be shocked The information has only started to come to light since the Freedom of Information Act. 2) The attack on the USS Liberty is unfortunate I've been to the webite and don't know what to say. 3) For political, spy and history buffs new book written by two non-jews. "The War Against Israel by the Western Allies". If you want to see the real documented story of the behind the scenes dirty deals and lies from the west and the US. Read what that Alliance has done in this tragic period from 1920 to the present. To sabotage that counrty, you''ll find out things that no one wants you to know. It is important for us not to just build a piece of history but to study it too. Shaya Novak Naval Base Hobbies The Store for The Model Ship Builder www.modelshipbuilding.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Gene & Jean Larson Subject: Oiler Model I have had the following query, and perhaps someone here has an answer: "I am looking for an old Aroura oiler model that was released a long time ago. Is there any information online and a picture of this model? A friend served on an oiler of the Cimarron class......actually the AO-177 and would like to make a model of an oiler." Gene Larson Alexandria, VA NRG Member -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: DNie252595@aol.com Subject: USS Los Angeles CA-135 I am desperately looking for a model of the heavy cruiser USS Los Angeles CA-135. I have searched so many websites with no luck so I thought I would seek the help of someone with more knowledge about this such as yourself. Can you help me? Denny -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: BSteinIPMS@aol.com Subject: Maxwell AFB >> Maxwell AFB. << >> HMMMMMM. The base at Biloxi was called Keesler AFB when I was there. << Bob is correct. Maxwell Air Force Base is near Montgomery, Alabama, and was a large training base with hoardes of North American AT-6 Texans during World War II. Bob Steinbrunn Minneapolis Member, Nautical Research Guild Louisiana Naval War Memorial - USS Kidd, DD 661 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Devin J. Poore" Subject: Re: Shirley's "buddahstat" and other snipe hunts One of my favorites was sending the new guy down to the engine room to ask for a "BT Punch" from one of the snipes. Many sore arms came out of that one... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Frank and Carol Berger" Subject: Star Wars In one of those strange juxtapositions of real life and hobby, I recently attended a viewing of the Star Wars, The Magic of Myth, display at the Field Museum in Chicago. While inspecting a "production" model of an Imperial Star Destroyer, I started to notice several familiar bits. The model itself was easily over 7' long (2 plus meters). The surface was covered with detail, quite a bit of it from the Tamiya King George V 1/700 kit! I recently purchased the kit (from WEM along with their great PE set!) so I've gotten quite familiar with the parts. There was no mistaking the 5.25" turrets, various crane components and quad 14" guns. I also saw what appeared to be catwalks from the Tamiya 1/700 Enterprise and numerous anti-aircraft weapons from variuos kits. This was definitely the ultimate in kit bash! Several of the other models also contained bits from various production ship, tank and rocket kits. As this is a touring exhibit, if you get a chance to see it, do so! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: RhinoBones@aol.com Subject: Re: snipe hunts & Green Anti fouling Paint >> But her "buddahstat" reminds me of some similar "snipe hunts" that U.S. Navy guys liked to play on the new rookies just reporting from boot camp. Does anyone here remember: << We had a few in the Marine Corps such as: a) The metric hammer and metric adjustable wrench. b) USMC identified batteries with the prefix "BA" followed by a number designation, BA 087 as an example. A few rookies were sent to the supple room for BA Eleven Hundred Novembers and were provided with a small box containing balloons. c) In the TRC-75 radio is a large glass capacitor (about the size of a soft ball) which is used to match the impedance between the antenna and the final stage of the power amplifier. Although it was a capacitor and not a tube at all, it was commonly called the Fallopian Tube. New guys were regularly dispatched to the supply room to find replacements. d) From civilian life you might remember Carburetor Brushes and Muffler Bearings. I always that they were rather cute sayings. This might also be a snipe hunt of sorts . . . but I've seen a number of pictures (drawn & painted, not photographic) of Russian ships which have a green colored anti fouling paint instead of the common red variety. Have seen it pictured on the cruisers Ochakov and Aurora. Anyone know if this is a real color or are the artists playing with us just a bit? Regards, RhinoBones -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "S Crawford" Subject: Ski Jumps Hello Everyone Could someone please tell me the reason why the US navy don't use Ski Jumps on they small carries? like the Royal Navies, Invisible class carries do, after all both use the Harrier jump jet? Thanks Steve -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Mark C Krumrey Subject: "Snipe Hunt" I know that this stuff is off topic, but seeing as it is admitted. During an Annual Training exercise at Camp Lejeune, I was a young Sergeant, and was communications chief. The Admin chief, a Staff Sergeant, with no active duty time, was going in for supplies, and asked if I needed anything, I told him a can of "Frequency Grease: for field use" would be greatly apprecieated, as we had none. He came back furious. The Master Gunnery Sergeant at the supply room, read him the riot act. A comment was ..."as a Staff Sergeant in the U.S.M.C., you should be smarter than that to fall for the old Sky Hook routine". I laughed at him. Another one told me by a Salty old Master Gunnery Sergeant was, when the young private would come to his supply room looking for a bucket of 106 Back Blast, he would sit the young Marine down, explain the foolishness of his request and recommend he go see a movie. In that if his superiors had no better use for him than to send him on a wild goose chase, he should relax, see a movie, eat some pogey bait, and come back, saying supply was all out, and to come back next week. Mark Krumrey New Richmond MGYSGT USMCR (ret.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Italian Navy Hi Mark Just a small correction, the British did not read the Italian Naval code, they couldn't break it. What actually happened was that the Germans were so worried about security that they forced the Italian navy to use enigma which could be read. Prior to that the British had to use the odd German enigma signal to try and decypher what the Italian Navy was doing. However, for all those revisionists among you I'm afraid that the Italian Navy's performance (with one or two exceptions) can only be characterised as dismal. Their training was inadequate, they were tactically naïve, their high command was rubbish and their ships were over-rated. For the most part they were afraid to engage in contact with the British and had to be rescued by the Germans. The real heroes were the Italian merchant sailors who frequently sailed knowing that if they were attacked the escort would either fail to protect them or run away yet went anyway. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Tony Mollica" Subject: base question Hi, I'm interested in how people make the name plates for their model ship bases. Is there an easy do it yourself method? 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