Subject: SMML VOL 984 Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 23:07:39 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Correction to Marc Flakes' IPMS Nats correction 2: Re: Coontz class destroyers 3: Re: Country suffixes 4: Help with plans 5: IPMS/Nats ship photos anywhere? / The case rule 6: Lost 7: Mauritania? 8: Getting Into Resin - U-35 questions 9: Arsenal Ship? 10: Women at Sea 11: RN Destroyers Book 12: Re: Coontz 13: Re: Ex-Nuke 14: Re: Revisionism 15: Lonestar Models 16: Scale Ship Modeler,Back Issue Volume 4, No 1 17: Italian Navy 18: Newport Class 19: high seas hi jinks 20: Waldron 21: IPMS (NCT) Hospitality 22: Re: HOOD's Large Repair 23: Need Florida Holiday Info 24: Coastal Command Question??? 25: WANTED: French 1900-39 Peniche (Barge) Scale Drawings -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts 1: SMML Con 2001: USS Hornet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: International Maritime Modeling July/August 2000 Update 2: For Sale--MSB magazines 3: Such a deal ... 4: USS IOWA 1984 CRUISE BOOK - BB-61 + A Bonus 5: GMM's new 1/350 Floater Net Baskets available now! 6: Kits for Sale 7: ShipModeler Wanted -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: Correction to Marc Flakes' IPMS Nats correction Welcome back Before the pause, Marc Flake posted a comment that my Bushnell's Turtle had placed third in submarines at the IPMS-USA Nationals. My award was for my version of the HMS Trenchant in 1/700 scale. My 1/96 Turtle did not place. I have sent my acknowledgement to Caroline for using information posted on her website to modify the DML Trafalgar to include the propulsor shroud and other details. I also painted my Trenchant using the colo(u)r plates from the WEM site. The model was a quick build and I had fun doing it. There were only three models entered in the small scale submarine category - so I ran a distant third in a three horse race. Each of the models that placed above me in that category were exquisitely done. The painting and weathering were marvelously done. They were both Ohio-class SSBNs. I'm sure that the judges had a difficult time picking first from second. My thanks to all who attended the Nats and who got together Saturday afternoon for the SMMLie get-together. Pictures have been sent to Caroline and Mike at the SMML site. Ed Mansfield, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: Coontz class destroyers >> Anybody know where/how Mike Leonard got that beautiful 1/250 Coontz class destroyer on the destroyer photos page? << Ask Mike, he's on this list. Bob Santos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Ata Bilgili Subject: Re: Country suffixes >> TURKEY Unknown << The country suffix for Turkish Navy ships is "TCG", meaning "Turkish Republic's Ship". Ata Bilgili -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Lisa and Bill Wiseman Subject: Help with plans Hello, I am lookng for plans or pictures for the USS Maury AGS 16. She was originally commisioned as the USS Renate AKA 36 in Aug '45. She was an S4-SE2 hull by Walsh Kaiser in Providence RI. A friend's father served on her as the Maury in the early '60's. My friend would like a model of the ship as a holiday gift for hiss father. I have a cruise book which has a "plan view" photo and an outboard profile shot. I could scale drawings form these two photos but it would be difficult to get all of the subtleties right. i would like to do this justice for his father. I have an older catalog from Floating Drydock but it doesn't list any plans for AKA or AGS hulls. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Doc Wiseman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: IPMS/Nats ship photos anywhere? / The case rule Boy, it's good to have SMML back! I was starting to get the intellectual bends pouring over the RMS site for nautical information. After returning from the Nats. in Dallas, I was wondering if anyone knew where some photos of the ship entries were on the web? While I was there, I didn't get any personal photos for myself. The NCT guys promise to have photos of every single entry on the web soon, but as of now they are not there. On another note of importance to all ship modelers, the case rule has been modified for IPMS/USA competition. Yours truly (supported by the Contest Committee Chairman) argued in favor of modifying the case rule and won! I was somewhat suprised even though I felt my arguments made good sense. As everyone knows, good sense doesn't always win arguments. In short, cases will be allowed to remain on models that HAVE SPECIFIC PERMISSION FROM THE CATEGORY HEAD JUDGE. This will apply to every category in the room. In a suprise move, Aris Pappas put forth the motion then and there that the new rule go into effect immediately at the Dallas Nats! That was more than I could have hoped for! As a matter of fact three models were given permission to leave the cases in place during judging. Don't misunderstand this decision. 98% of the models will still be required to have the cases removed during judging. I still support removing the cases to allow the judges 100% access to the models. However, in the few instances where it would just be unwise, risky to surrounding models, or just plain dangerous to remove unusually large cases, this change in the rules is most welcome. In this judges opinion, that was a very smart and reasonable thing to do. A lot of very good changes are being made by the Contest Committee to improve the contest and make it more fun and fair for everyone. Check out the next issue of the IPMS/USA Journal for more rule modifications by the committee. Rusty White IPMS/USA Head ship judge -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Robert Fish" Subject: Lost Good day to you I lost everything in my pc over last week out of 139 folders I've got 36 now, every image I scanned is gone, starting over, I need some help with as many links, scale ships. I'm trying too build the USS Langley CV-1 as the Seaplane Tender looked in 1937 no photo, yet lost that too, what a bitch thank you for any help just getting some links today, cheers Bruce fish PS! could some put me down for the mail list thanks BF -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Mauritania? Was this ship, the R.M.S. Mauritania, used in wartime? Which war? Any references or resources? I just came across a couple of the old Airfix 1/600 scale kits, and I thought Maurie would look good next to the Queen (if that wasn't historically inaccurate). I also recall that there's a PE sheet for the 1/600 liners ... Thanks ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Getting Into Resin - U-35 questions After a lot of good advice from list-members, I have decided to take the Resin plunge with Blue Water Navy's 1/350th U-35, a World War I sub. It seemed like a good place to start, even though I don't have any good references (yet) on these boats. Any suggestions? Also, any PE sheets out there to enhance this sub? Just wondering ... Also, I'm thinking that the USS Bainbridge - DD1 - would make a good companion piece - I know they didn't face each other, and I'm not thinking diorama. I know the DD1 is about one generation earlier, but still ... they were each damn-near the first of their kind. Any references or PE kits for the original Bainbridge you can offer? Ned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Arsenal Ship? OK, last question for now (can you tell I'm excited to see the list back up and running?) ... I saw Jim Shirley's Arsenal Ship kit on my hobby shop shelf; but I don't have a clue. Is this the new DD-21 Zumwalt, or another concept altogether? Who knows anything about it who can help me out? Thanks Ned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: AandMBlevins@gateway.net Subject: Women at Sea Speaking of women at sea, my great aunt, Ida Blevins Haskell, went to sea at an early age on the six-masted schooner MERTIE B. CROWLEY, as the wife of the captain, William Haskell. She worked as the cook for a crew of fifteen which, during the summer months, included my father Albert C. Blevins who served as cabin boy. The CROWLEY, launched in 1907, ran aground on Wasque Shoals, Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts in the winter of 1910 after a short career hauling coal and produce along the East coast of the U.S. Ida Haskell was tied in the foremast crosstrees by her husband until a local fisherman, Levi Jackson and his crew, could get through the large breakers and rescue the entire crew. Ida was brought down from the crosstrees and had to jump into the dinghy of the fishing boat, along with the rest of the crew. As a lad sixty years ago, I remember her telling me the story of the rescue which was subsequently documented in an issue of Yankee magazine. The CROWLEY was built in Rockland Maine. Al blevins East Greenbush, NY -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: RN Destroyers Book Chris Drage stated - >> Of Quadrant I have but one pic from Edgar March's book showing the port side. << OK, flying off on a tangent here, but what an exceptional book this is for those of us new to the subject of RN destroyers! I had no idea it existed until I found a copy in the local public library -- almost got a hernia carrying it home. The full title is "British Destroyers 1892-1953: Drawn by Admiralty Permission from Official Records & Returns, Ship's Covers & Building Plans" by Edgar J. March and the copy I borrowed was published by Seeley in 1966. Includes "175 superb photographs and 100 detailed drawings." Just for the heck of it, I looked for a copy through the Advanced Book Exchange search service (www.abe.com) and located a few copies selling at US$150 and up. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Re: Coontz >> Anybody know where/how Mike Leonard got that beautiful 1/250 Coontz class destroyer on the destroyer photos page? << Hi Glenn - The kit originated with "The Ship Model Shop", which (regrettably) went out of business at some point several years ago. Haven't seen any of their kits since the early 90s. I recall they did an Adams-class DDG, Knox-class FF, and a few other then-contemporary USN ships. Floating Drydock once sold them but I assume they are long gone, too. They were really quite nice at a time when resin ships were all but unknown and photoetching was in its infancy, even if the scale was a bit peculiar. Mixed media --- wood hull and superstructure; white metal fittings; and PE rails, masts, and a few other parts. MWL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Re: Ex-Nuke Paul related - >> I joined the Navy in 1978 as a machinist mate (nuke). About half way thru training BUMED said my hearing was to bad to be a nuke. I said OK, how about any rate that will let me go to subs. BUMED said no my eyesight was to bad. << Ah, another victim of an old ploy that the Navy used to keep a steady stream of engineers flowing to the surface fleet. Likewise, a large percentage of SWOs began their careers in flight training at Pensacola, until they were washed out for one menial reason or another. MWL (1115) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Re: Revisionism Mark observed - >> No one on the list doubts that on December 7, 1941 the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. There is room to consider and debate whether FDR knew that the attack was going to take place or not. As Shaya Novak noted in his message, a new book, Day of Deceit, suggests, or even confirms (for Shaya) that FDR did know the attack was coming. << I own a large bridge in a certain borough of NYC that I'm interested in selling, if anybody who fell for "Day of Deceit" is in the market. : ) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Thorsbyg@aol.com Subject: Lonestar Models I have attempted to get a couple of products via retail from Lonestar and am having trouble getting satisfaction. Does anyone have a reliable source or supply? Thanks Gordo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Robert and Janis Leonti Subject: Scale Ship Modeler,Back Issue Volume 4, No 1 I would like to know who recently purchased any back issues of Scale Ship Modeler that were offered by Bob Steinbrunn. I personally bought 63 issues but noticed that Volume 4, NO 1 was not included (someone had purchased 7 issues from this lot). This issue ( Spring 1981) featured an ATF Tug (CreeATF-85) built by Dwight Brooks. If you read this and have that issue, I would request just a photostat copy of the article on the Cree. I would like to read Dwight Brooks procedure on building this ATF. I am building my first model (TAMAROA ATF-166) and this article would be most helpful. Thanks in advance. Capt. Bob Leonti, 27 Marion Road, Amityville, Long Island, New York ,11701. r.leonti@worldnet.att.net, 631-691-2056. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Italian Navy Hi Mark The message you refer to is an Ultra intercept of an Enigma message based on the Italian Navy machine cypher. This was not commonly used by the Italian Navy (it only carried one or two messages a day until it was withdrawn in 1941). It is not an Italian Navy book cypher. This were never read by the British except for the odd hint from captured documents. The British never had enough information to break the Italian Navy book cyphers. I think you misunderstand my comment about revisionist history. What you are describing is trying to find the truth of the matter. What I am talking about is trying to prove something is not what it actually is. For example that the Italian Navy was anything but poor (given the odd exception). I would say that the information existing is rather complete and it largely points to a conclusion of a show navy against a real navy. You raise an interesting point about objectivity but I would say that it depends what you are writing about and how you set your parameters. You also need to recall the school of thought that you can never obtain objectivity (which I disagree with). Moving on to your point about flashless powder, this is a red herring as a lot of British ships didn't have it either. I am surprised that you are puzzled by my statement that Germany had to save Italy from collapse - that's exactly what happened. The Italian war effort was close to collapse and any number of sources mention this. The Italian Navy was beaten by the time of Taranto and the reasons the British had such a hard time after this were Fliegerkorps X and Rommel. One or two destroyers did fight well in engagements (Tarigo springs to mind) but mostly they were poor (see the debacle in the Red Sea) and there are numerous examples of those that abandoned their charges. Another point to note is that they didn't improve, they were still being intercepted and sunk by British ships late in the war just as they had been early in the war. The truth is Italy was not ready for war and a fair portion of the nation was not really keen on being dragged into it. The reason the Italian Navy took heavy losses was more to do with the fact that the British were out to find and destroy them. It is wise to be sceptical about one nations view of history which will tend to be skewed but sometimes the evidence is clearcut and too comprehensive to ignore. However, as time passes propaganda tends to drop away and the events of the past become clearer. Sometimes this process leads to new interpretations but sometimes it ends up supporting the established version. This latter is the case with the Italian Navy. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Stuart Robottom Subject: Newport Class Hello all. Does anyone know of any proposed models of the Newport class LSTs? Preferably in 1:700 scale. I would like to build one as USN and one as modified by the RAN. I thought there were some on the drawing board for one model company but can't find anything on the web anymore. Thanks in advance, Stuart Robottom http://www.deakin.edu.au/~robottom/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "Melea/Mike Maynard" Subject: high seas hi jinks SMML is back, yeeha!!! I read with interest about the good natured pranks pulled on kids fresh from boot camp and it brings back some personal memories. November 1969, Ocean Station Bravo, North Atlantic... Being fresh from recruit training the cruel and sadistic bosunmates on the Coast Guard cutter Duane (of WWII fame and veteran of many years sailing in the "pond") had me go searching for a bucket of steam. Well the old Duane was STEAM powered and I visited the fire(boiler) room and after being chased out by an irate Chief I wandered onto the mess deck to collect my thoughts. One of the cooks asked what I was doing on his messdeck not being mealtime and all. When I told him about my quest he said " Get a bucket and follow me". I followed him down to the reefer flat and he directed me to"Wait here" and I did. Taking my galvanized bucket he disappeared into one of the large walk in freezers. He returned with my bucket and lo and behold, it had steam pouring over the rim. I returned to the Bosun hold and I remember the dropping of jaws and coffee cups at the sight of me and my bucket of steam. The secret? All of our frozen meat was purchased from the Navy and some of it was packed in dry ice. As the dry ice came in contact with room temperate air it started "vaporizing" giving it the desired effect of steam. Goes to show that the ships cooks are always more clever and resourceful than a bosun any day of the week! One other fact about the dry ice, it absorbs oxygen from a enclosed compartment. The cooks played pranks on the new "stewburners" by having them clean and organize the freezer underway. A minute in the compartment with the "Ice" will have you gasping for air! It was so bad on one trip the Damage Control men, wearing oxygen breathing apparatus, had to break open cases of beef and toss the dry ice over the side. Sempar Paratus! "Red to Red, Green to Green, Never Go In-between" Mike M. USCG(ret) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Waldron >> Now for the bad news, I'm not sure it's available anymore. I hope someone else will be able to locate one for you if you still want one. << I have their 2000 catalog. Two punch sets are in there - regular for $38 and sub-miniature for $71. Lotsa other stuff, too. Waldron: 541-474-3226, which is a new number. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: TCAgardner@aol.com Subject: IPMS (NCT) Hospitality Gene and I would like to thank Ed Grune and the rest of the NCT SMMLies for their hospitality during the recent IPMS Nats in Dallas. It was great to finally meet all the people we see posts from from across the country and globe. Hopefully we have made a few new friends and converts to 1/700 cold war era ships. Gene and I are busy working on our latest releases for the upcoming months and looking seriously into satisfying some of that 1/350 craving we saw so much of at NATS. Again, thanks for some great memories and a really grand time. Tom of JAG P.S. Ed, thanks for the baubles, they are much appreciated, and Mike, We have more cruisers on the way just for you -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: JOHN A BURCH Subject: Re: HOOD's Large Repair There are some interesting photos of a possible HOOD reconfiguration at a Japanese ship modeler's site, "The Fleet Factory" The specific photos are at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Den/4170/hood1943.htm The same site has some interesting photos of never completed USS CONSTELLATION (CC 2), as she might have appeared in '42 in a Measure 12 Mod camouflage scheme. These photos are at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Den/4170/CC2.htm Cheers, John Burch -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: "Jana & Pavel" Subject: Need Florida Holiday Info Dear SMML'ies, I desperately need some input from anyone who lives or knows Florida, USA. Namely the Orlando and FT Lauderdale area. We are going on holiday on the 10 August to the two places and are naturally visiting Disney World, Universal Studios and Sea World. However as we have never been there I feel that due to ignorance we may miss something. We will also visit Cape Canaveral. As we will have a car at our disposal travel is not a problem. We will also be on a "Fun Cruise" on the Carnival Fantasy. Are there any Maritime Museums? Good Hobby shops / Book store? What should we not miss? Time is limited and so we will try see as much as we can. All good info will be highly welcome, and I know that it will be put to good use. As my wife is a big supporter of my hobby, (Last birthday got the 1/700 WEM H.M.S. Warspite!) this will only make her more supportive and willing! As I do not want to take up valuable space, I can be contacted off list should anyone feel that is more appropriate. Thank you all in advance, Pavel mailto:paveljana@cableregina.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Coastal Command Question??? OK, it has wings, but it flew for Coastal Command and it attacked things that floated (esp. German things that floated). Close enough? I hope so. On the cover of Mosquito in Action (Part 2) is an FB Mk. VI Mosquito of Coastal Command (143 Squadron) putting paid to a German minesweeper (that looks remarkably like a corvette, or even the destroyer in U-571). But that's beside the point. I have acquired the Tamiya kit, so I'm set there, but as for decals and color scheme... Sure, the cover is in color, but printing being what it is, I was wondering if anybody knew the colors for Coastal Command Mosquitos in early 1945. MORE IMPORTANT (and why I might actually build that plywood marvel), the squadron and aircraft codes read NE*D - (clue #1). Does anyone know where I can find decals in this distinctive style (black letters, outlined by a yellow that seems a match for the yellow on the fuselage roundels - with the "D" in a distinctive type face); or for the aircraft service number, RS625. Thanks NE*D Barnett -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: john.baumann@talk21.com Subject: WANTED: French 1900-39 Peniche (Barge) Scale Drawings Has anyone got any suitable scale drawings for a circa 1930's built metal French Peniche please? I have the usual World War II references for the German commandeered 'Operation Sealion' barges, together with pictures and some rough dimensions etc, but alas no plans. I would prefer to locate drawings of an un-modified vessel if possible, preferably in 1/76 scale for modelling purposes. Or better still, a small Peniche - if such a thing existed. I know that the German company MGM are producing wargame resins of these and they promised to send me details, but nothing has reached me to date. Contrary to what one fellow modeller stated, these barges were not all the same 'except for bows and stern fittings'. For a start, the Germans used converted Rhine barges, some Dutch carriers, and the more dilapidated but larger French Peniche. Alas, all three were different in length, breadth and draught. If someone can suggest a good web-site or alternative source to search I would be much obliged. Thanks in anticipation: Best Regards, John Baumann -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: dlfowler@apple.com Subject: SMML Con 2001: USS Hornet Hello All, I would like to propose once again for a gathering of all interested in helping with the SMML Con 2001 on the Hornet. I would like to get together on Saturday, August 26. Please e-mail me directly with suggestions for a venue for the planning meeting. Best regards, Duane Fowler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Felix Bustelo" Subject: International Maritime Modeling July/August 2000 Update Hello SMMLers, The July/August 2000 update to International Maritime Modeling is up on the Net. http://members.tripod.com/~Febus65/imm.htm In an effort to have subsequent updates appear at the beginning of the month, I decided to delay July's update and combine it with August. From now on, updates will appear on or very close to the first of the month. The July/August 2000 update to the site includes: Photos of a 1/400 Nivôse (Floreal Class Frigate) in the Photo Gallery. (I misplaced the name of the modeler. As soon as I receive the information again, I will correct this omission.) A review of the Heller 1/400 scale HMS Hood, the Iron Shipwrights 1/350 Army LT Tug and the Dolphin Models 1/400 Nazario Sauro Submarine in Quick Kit Reviews. A review of the L'Arsenal 1/400 Tourville Class conversion set in Photoetch Reviews. The addition of an Atlantic Models and Trumpeter Models product page under the Kits List. The White Ensign Models, Atlantic Models and L'Arsenal pages under the Photoetch List section were updated to include newly released and forthcoming products. Related updates to the Links page. Please take a look. Regards, Felix Bustelo Webmaster -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: BSteinIPMS@aol.com Subject: For Sale--MSB magazines I have the last 12 issues of Model Ship Builder which ceased publication last year, selling the magazine's rights to Clay Feldman of Seaways' Ships in Scale magazine. These are in new condition, have a cover price of about $5.50 U.S., and I'll let 'em go for $2.00 each ($24.00 total), plus $4.00 shipping. A very nice, relatively thick, and informative publication. Bob Steinbrunn Minneapolis Member, Nautical Research Guild Louisiana Naval War Memorial - USS Kidd, DD 661 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Such a deal ... Hey, I wanted these books so bad that I bought them twice ... (sigh - I need to pay more attention to what I purchase). Now that SMML is back in business, I'd like to offer them at "I'm going to punish myself for being so stupid" prices. Floating Drydock Fleet Submarines of World War Two - $8 Gray Ghost - The R.M.S. Queen Mary At War - $10 The Skorpion (the book on the Foxtrot moored next to the Queen Mary in Long Beach) - $10 All three for $20 USD and I pick up the USA postage. All are in brand-new condition. Or, for $25, all that and I'll throw in High Plains Drifter (sigh - I don't "just" do this with ship books ... ) Ned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Courtney R." Subject: USS IOWA 1984 CRUISE BOOK - BB-61 + A Bonus Hi Every one. Well I just wanted to toot my own horn to anyone who will listen and let all of you folks out in SMMLand know of a very desirable auction I have up on eBay. The book is mint and it gets even better as I have included a bonus with this book, to entice more bids. Both items included in this lot will make a great addition to any Navy Battleship Buff. The book is a prize unto itself, but it gets even better when you have the bonus I included. The bonus is just nothing but photos for 51 pages of the USS Iowa in 1986. So check it out and good luck if you bid! Thanks, Courtney http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=403109020 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Loren Perry Subject: GMM's new 1/350 Floater Net Baskets available now! Gold Medal Models' all-new 1/350 scale photoetched set of WW2 U.S. Navy Floater Net Baskets is now available. The set provides 100 baskets (70 ten-footers and 30 six-footers) plus mounting brackets in 3-D relief-etched brass. Price is $8 plus postage - see our web page for more details. GMM Stock Number is 350-24. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Kenneth Davis Subject: Kits for Sale I have the following kits that I would like to sell. I am located in the US, but will gladly sell overseas. Thanks for looking and I hope you see something that you like. DML 1/350 Spruance $12 Tamiya 1/700 IJN Haruna (no inst/decals) $10 Tamiya 1/700 IJN Shinano $12 Thanks, Kenn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: CA139JOHNF@aol.com Subject: ShipModeler Wanted Hi Fellow SMMLies, I am looking for a modeler to help restore a 1/48 scale model of USS Saint Paul which is done in brass (thats right, 1/48 and brass). This 14 foot long model is missing some parts like antennas. My own skills do not lend themselves to this part of the project. So, I look to you all. The best part is that not only will your name be emblazened in the case as part of the team but you will be paid for your efforts. I know it smacks of crass commercialism but I don't get paid for what I do. I just have a lot of fun. Anyone interested? If so contact me of list. John Frohock USNSM USS Salem Model Dept. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume