Subject: SMML VOL 987 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:31:57 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: IPMS\Nats Picture site is up 2: Re: Mauritania 3: Electric propulsion for warships on both sides of the Atlantic 4: Latest Sandown Class Handed Over - Royal Navy 5: Blue Devil 6: A reply to Bob Steinbrunn 7: Revisionist history 8: Re: Various 9: Converting a Cleveland CL to a Fargo? 10: Photos of USS Cyclops (AC-4) 11: Pearl Harbour movie 12: Re: War with China 13: Pardon my "French" .... 14: If it's not too late, Pavel ... 15: Buckley Book 16: Coastal Command Mossies 17: Graf Zepp Planes 18: Confederate Submarine CSS Hunley Information 19: Re: Pearl Harbour Attack 20: Shadow in the Shallows 21: Special Operations Submarines 22: Newport Model 23: Re: Midway Boat 24: Dead Computers & Mac Graphics 25: Re: Chilenan Navy camuflage 26: Re: Questions on 1/72 Matchbox Corvette 27: Source for Eastwind kits? 28: Re: Hunley 29: Re: Cyclops 30: Fine Scale Modeler 31: Pearl Harbor Movie 32: bitsnbytes 33: Re: Confederate Submarine 34: 1/400 IJN Haguro & Myoka 35: Correction on best Ship Diorama/US nats 36: French Colours 37: Re: Pearl Harbor 38: Re: Hunley 39: Re: Duane Fowler's Decals 40: Re: CO´s Boat, USS Midway 41: 1/200 Yamato 42: BOOK ALERT 43: Graf Zepplin Air wing- Peter Misspellkamp 44: DD-21 Land Attack Destroyer. Or "killer surfboard!" 45: Kitbashing/A case of good luck -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: RN Camo book 2: German WWI Decals in 1/700 & 1/350 3: Page update -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Ed Grune Subject: IPMS\Nats Picture site is up Hello all The IPMS Nats photo database presentation with the models that placed has been posted at: http://www.dana-nield.com The host, Dana Nield, is the IPMS/North Central Texas's newsletter editor. Also hosted at this website is a tribute site to Dana's grandfather, Richard Clement Sumner, DSC. The site includes pictures that document Clem's service in the Royal Navy during WWII. While you're visitng the IPMS photo site please stop by Clem's War. Maybe you can help fill in some of the details of the history that are missing. Thanks again to everyone who came to Texas. I'm making plans for Chicago so I can tell the poor folks there that I know what they're going through Ed Mansfield, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Eric Hougland Subject: Re: Mauritania >> Mauritania 1907-1935 did serve as a trooper in world war 1, I can't find any pictures of her in that role, if I had to guess though, I bet she was painted in the same "dazzle" camo scheme as the Olympic...... airfix's model is great but doesn't provide for upright supports for the decks and the etched brass kits don't seem to cover this very prominant feature << I presume you're talking about the supports along the A and B Deck promenades. Using photographs from a number of books as references, I counted the number of supports, used simple geometry to divide the lengths of the decks into the correct number of units and painstakingly glued very short pieces of 0.4 mm x 0.75 mm styrene strip (Evergreen 111) into place. Results can be seen at: http://imm220.tripod.com/lcmaure2.jpg http://imm220.tripod.com/lcmaure3.jpg >> My copy of "Picture History of the Cunard Line 1840-1990" has peace time pictures of the Mauretania and one shot of her in her dazzle camouflage. This particular pattern is unusual and sort of defies description, especially since the picture is in black and white. But, if anything, the front half of the ship (the photo is a bow view) is harlequin inspired. Quite a challenge to replicate. << Modeller Donald Stoltenberg has done it: see very impressive results at: http://imm220.tripod.com/donmaure1.jpg http://imm220.tripod.com/donmaure2.jpg Both sets of images are from Felix Bustelo's International Maritime Modelling site. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: Electric propulsion for warships on both sides of the Atlantic http://www.seawaves.com/Articles/USN/august2000/00080206.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: Latest Sandown Class Handed Over - Royal Navy Note: Fiber reinforced plastic hulls http://www.seawaves.com/Articles/RN/august2000/00080703.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Satin, Michael N. (LNG-SHEP)" Subject: Blue Devil Hey everyone, it's great to be back! Some years ago, Lindbergh did a large scale kit they called the "Blue Devil" destroyer. Now it just so happens that the one nickname I've had that really stuck is Blue Devil, so I'm kind of intrigued as to what ship it actually is and why it's called that. Can anyone throw me some answers and is there a decent 1/350 kit of that ship? Thanks! Michael -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: A reply to Bob Steinbrunn Bob, The terrible disaster that occurred while the case was being removed from your model was used as an argument at the Contest Committee meeting in defense of the case rule change. Believe me, it really struck home with the other head judges. In short, some good came as a result of the damage to your model. Unfortunately, it takes things like that to enact change. Rusty White IPMS/USA Head ship judge http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "JAmes McCormick" Subject: Revisionist history I cannot fathom a political leader casually throwing away the bulk of an entire fleet in order to be drawn into a war. To me, it seems too big a sacrifice, too great a disadvantage to start a war with. I admit, I am an armchair admiral, but would you spot Michael Jordan 18 points in a game of 21? Every time I hear this crackpot argument, I consider the USS Arizona, many of whose sailors still man their positions at the bottom of Pearl Harbor. It would be a terrible disservice to think that these brave souls were betrayed by their Commander in Chief. Jim McCormick -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: James Corley Subject: Re: Various IPMS(USA) Nats coverage: For a brief review of the IPMS Nats ship model coverage, I have posted a complete review at: http://nautilusmodels.com/ipms2000/ipms2000.htm if that doesn't work directly, go to: http://nautilusmodels.com and follow the links. I would like to add that I won 3rd the scratch built/conversions with my USS Harder, as well as the Dealy Award for Best WW2 "Navel" Vessel. IPMS Marietta did pretty well overall, with several of our members winning multiple 1st, 2nd & 3rd place awards as well as 2 of the 5 special awards. From: "Gollin, Phil" >> As far as "Pearl Harbour" is concerned, whether FDR "knew" it was coming or not has not been proved, nor has he even heavily implicated - by fact. However, items such as: What did "they" expect Japan to do once the Oil Embargo was in place? What was Japan's history in terms of commencing hostilities? What monitoring of Japanese fleet movements took place? and, of course, What intelligence were "they" gathering? << The tie-breaker, IMHO, was when FDR ordered the Red Cross to stockpile blood supplies in Honolulu. This was reported in NAval History last year and seemed very convincing evidence that FDR at least suspected, at most was certain, of a Japanese strike at the Pacific Fleet. Given the isolationist attitude prevalent in America at the time, only a cataclysmic event like Pearl Harbor would get the public angry enough to be willing to sacrifice lives and lifestyles to defeat the Axis powers. Ferd Miller asked about the Flower class kit, it is now in the advance order catalogs for the good price of $90 SRP, but it will be in a Revell AG box, not a Matchbox box. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Fernando, Yohan" Subject: Converting a Cleveland CL to a Fargo? Here's an idea I'm brewing up for a conversion project... How about using a 1/700 Skywave USS Miami kit as the starting point for creating a model of the Fargo? I pretty much plan to scratchbuild all of the superstructure from the deck up, but did both classes share the same hull dimensions? The Fargos were essentially modified Clevelands, and from photos it looks as if the major external design modifications were restricted to the simplified superstructure, the truncation of two funnels into one and updated radar/AA outfit. The 6" turrets as well as the 5" gunhouses seem to have been unchanged, but were the 6" turrets in the same place on the hull ? (I would rather not move the molded-on barbettes). Finally, does anyone know where I could get a decent set of plans for the Fargo? Answers to these question and/or comments about the feasibilty of the project as a whole would be appreciated! Yohan Fernando -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Kevin W. Woodruff" Subject: Photos of USS Cyclops (AC-4) Lenny: http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h55000/h55549.jpg http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/n10000/n13451.jpg http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/i01000/i01063.jpg http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h76000/h76012t.jpg And a webpage dedicated to the USS Cyclops at: http://home.talkcity.com/LibraryDr/usscyclops/ Kevin W. Woodruff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Puckhead93@aol.com Subject: Pearl Harbour movie I don"t know if you guys have seen the previews for the Pearl Harbor movie yet. They seem to have alot to blow up digitally. I still dont like the fact that all the modern ships are in all the shots. But I guess thats hollywood. It doesnt look too promising anyways. Josh Mayne -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: klmok@home.com Subject: Re: War with China Christopher Crofoot wrote: >> Regardless of what Roosevelt did or did not do it was a matter of when not 'if' the US and Japan came to blows. YOU CAN SEE THE SAME THING ON THE HORIZON WITH CHINA (my emphasis. KM). Strategically war with the US was inevitable... << And how does China come into this equation? China has no means to project military power beyond its shores to threaten any major power nor are there intentions to. The few nuclear tipped ballistic missiles she has are a good deterrent to any nuclear power using their own nuclear arsenal to make threats on China. But this capability is hardly a basis for China to make threats on others without sounding ridiculous in the least and risking massive retaliation at worst. And to what purpose? Do read "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu as to how the Chinese view statecraft behind the act and conduct of war. We have a recorded history through two and a half thousand years of conflict that is consistent with this philosophy. Do read you own (US) Dept. of Defence and economic studies on relations with China. You won't find anyone in a position of real responsibility making speculations about a war with China as a basis for US-China policy decisions. Yes the military on both sides have to plan for that contingency but even at the height of the Cold War that was never a political or a presidential election issue when a rabid candidate could have scored cheap points. Kelvin Mok -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Pardon my "French" .... >> The same site has some interesting photos of never completed USS CONSTELLATION (CC 2), as she might have appeared in '42 in a Measure 12 Mod camouflage scheme. These photos are at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Den/4170/CC2.htm << Pardon my French, but what the hell was Constellation - looks like a late World War I era USN battlecruiser - I've never seen a reference to it (completed or not) ... Ned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Ned Barnett Subject: If it's not too late, Pavel ... >> I desperately need some input from anyone who lives or knows Florida, USA. Namely the Orlando and FT Lauderdale area. << I think there's an ex-Sov sub on display in St. Pete or Sarasota on Tampa Bay; rumor had it that Forrestal was in Tampa - not open yet, but you could probably see her from shore or a boat ride. Also some neat-looking sailing ships on display in Tampa. And, the bridge between St. Pete and Sarasota is a work of art, well worth the trip (it's just spectacular - some day I'm going to model a section of it in a diorama with a ship - damme I will!) Ned, a Tampa ex-pat ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Buckley Book I've read the Library copy several times; it doesn't have plans, but loads of clear photos, and it seems to be comprehensive. Ned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Coastal Command Mossies Martin - My mea culpa is not for you alone - I have the kit (not yet opened) and didn't even look on the side of the box to see the alternate markings artwork - NE*D indeed! Yes, I have the internal photos on the Squadron book, and I have Bob Pearson's different take on the colors (from the cover of the Squadron book - which is different than the recommended markings on the Tamiya box). I'd be glad for any additional off-list information you can give me. Thanks! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Graf Zepp Planes I've tried to contact Peter directly and it bounced. I'm ready - just say where, when and how much ... Ned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Kevin W. Woodruff" Subject: Confederate Submarine CSS Hunley Information Peter and others: Below are some resources (books and websites) on the CSS H. L. Hunley http://www.cla.sc.edu/sciaa/hunley1.html http://www.hunley.org/ http://hometown.aol.com/litespdcom/index.html http://www.unclesam.net/cny/history/cshunley.htm http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/h/hunley.htm http://library.thinkquest.org/27423/hunley.htm http://www.numa.org/ http://www.msnbc.com/news/443256.asp H.L. Hunley site assessment. Santa Fe, N.M.: Submerged Cultural Resources Unit, Intermountain Region, National Park Service, 1998 Bak, Richard, The CSS Hunley: the greatest undersea adventure of the Civil War Dallas, Tex.: Taylor Pub. Co.,1999 Campbell, R. Thomas The CSS H.L. Hunley: Confederate submarine. Shippensburg, Pennsylvania: Burd Street Press, 2000 Duncan, Ruth Henley. The Captain and submarine CSS H. L. Hunley. Memphis, Tenn.: 1965 Kloeppel, James E. Danger beneath the waves: a history of the Confederate submarine H.L. Hunley. College Park, Ga.: Adele Enterprises, 1987 Ragan, Mark. The Hunley expedition: a search for the Confederate submarine. [S.l.: s.n., 1993?] Ragan, Mark K. The Hunley: submarines, sacrifice & success in the Civil War. Rev. ed. Charleston, S.C. : Narwhal Press, 1999 Ragan, Mark K. Union and Confederate Submarine Warfare in the Civil War. Mason City, Iowa: Savas Publishing Company, 1999. Sims, Lydel. The submarine that wouldn't come up New York: American Heritage Pub. Co., 1958 Williams, Eustace. [The Confederate submarine Hunley documents] written, compiled, and arranged by Eustace Williams. Van Nuys, Cal. [1957] Kevin W. Woodruff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pearl Harbour Attack The business as to wether FDR knew or not that the Japanese were going to attack is one of the great unknowns of the war. To my mind the real question is, did Churchill tell FDR. About five or six years ago in the summer ( I cannot remember the exact year) one of the worlds greatest codebreakers died. I think that his name was Neave, an Australian Naval officier who at some point in his naval career moved to the Royal Navy. His story is legendary and was given in some depth in his obituary that appeared in the TIMES (not the New York Times). After reading his role in Japanese naval codebreaking there is NO DOUBT in my mind that Churchill knew. There is so much revealing data in the obituary in terms of the breaking and reading of the Japanese Naval codes, for example the British had broken IJN 25 almost as soon as it began to be used. Neave (who was based in Singapore in late 1941) noted that every commercial vessel was back in home waters by the end of November 1941, and when news broke of the attack on Pearl Harbour, Neave was dumfounded as to how it could have happened. To paraphase "but we told them". I would very much like to read the obituary again and it is probably available on the internet somewhere. I would try and find this myself but cannot work this blasted machine except to read and send mail. If anybody can somehow get hold of the obituary I know that just about everybody would be fascinated to read it. ps The obituary is several thousand words long. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: Shadow in the Shallows http://www.popsci.com/scitech/features/subs/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: Special Operations Submarines http://www.popsci.com/scitech/features/subs/sub5.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: JOE DAMATO Subject: Newport Model Thanks for the interest in the Newport. As many of you are awair, I am no longer with JAG. It was a difficult decision, but I needed to free myself of the responsbilities of a growing business and start to travel my own path so to speak. As of right now, the Newport is finished sans the instructions. I will be releasing it thru Pacific Front by the end of August and will keep you posted on it's release date. Right now I'm looking at between $40-$50 for the kit. As for the future, I have started my own business, Modelwerks, and will be working on Cold War Navy subjects much like that I started at JAG. I won't be doing the same stuff as JAG, so no one should worry. There's more than enough to do without bruising egos. In 1/700 scale I will be focusing on Amphibs, Merchants and Supply ships. Along with the Newport, I just finished the patterns for a San Clamente Class Super Tanker that is absolutly huge next to a cruiser..the obvious converson is the Hospital Ship the USS Mercy later on. I have plans for Container ships, Roll On Roll Off and Bulk Carriers as well. In 1/350 scale I have the Forrest Sherman and several Destroyers just about ready. Later on I hope to raise the Forrestal from the dead. Right now I am working with a friend to get my web site fine tuned and you can check it out at WWW.MODELWERKS.NET. My email is MODELWERKS@YAHOO.COM so write and let me know what you'd like to see. Again thanks for your interest and support. Best, Joe D'Amato -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: Rick Heinbaugh Subject: Re: Midway Boat Christer Jälltoft wrote: >> for some time now, I have been searching high and low for information regarding "the skipper´s gig" aboard aircraft carrier Midway. No results, I have been e-mailing the different web-sites covering Midway but so far no reply. I am interested in the "gig" as you can see it at: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~buzznau/50s-005.jpg I would like to know what sort of boat it is, manufacturer, possible source for plans and so on, winter is aproaching and those dark long winter nights would be perfect for a modelling project. Anybody out there who knows anything about the boat, or know someone who might have had worked aboard the Midway? Any help is greatly appreciated. << It is a 40' Personnel Boat, Mk 1. NavShips Drawing No. S8227 (2)-40-653391. Maybe somebody who's properly connected can tell you how to get a cpoy of that drawing. (Be advised that NavShips, formerly BuShips, has since turned into NavSeaSysCom - Naval Sea Systems Command, also called NAVSEA.) Basics are 40'2" loa, 11'6.5" max beam, 3'3" loaded draft. 12kts speed, 164 gal fuel capacity, 21" diameter propeller, blah, blah, blah Stock number was S1940-286-9996, if you needed to order one in 1967. Is it really a Mk 1? Yes, by golly, because it has that combination of three windows in forward deckhouse and three aft. Mks 2 thru 5 had different arrangements. If you want, I can mail you a 1/48 scale two-view drawing from "Boats of the United States Navy", NavShips pub 250-452, from 1967. Rick Heinbaugh Seattle, WA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: GrafSpee34@aol.com Subject: Dead Computers & Mac Graphics Hi Perhaps someone here can comment... My computer died recently, too. Lost all my Internet bookmarks and worst of all, many, many scanned documents plus photos I took with my digital camera. Always back up your interesting materials on floppies! This complete meltdown occurred when I attempted to put an ordinary sound card in my year-old PC. Due to this outrage, and many smaller problems I had with PC's, I decided to boycott Microsoft, and invest in a Macintosh. I would like to ask anyone here familiar with the Mac if they could recommend an economical model or set-up for my needs. I am preparing fairly complex technical drawings based on scans of Kriegsmarine blueprints in 1:200 scale. These scanned blueprints will be traced and enhanced with additional detail, so there will be several "layers" of information on the finished drawings. I imgaine the completed files will be quite large. I intend to use Adobe Draw. Any suggestions? Many thanks Dave Krakow -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: roberto paredes Subject: Re: Chilenan Navy camuflage Hi Miguel, >> Yes the O´Higgins (Pratt in the Chilenan Navi) << The Chilean Navy had 2 Brooklyn class cruisers, they were: O'Higgins (Ex-Uss Brooklyn) Prat (Ex-Uss Nashville) Kind regards, Your chilean friend, Roberto. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: Richard Simpson Subject: Re: Questions on 1/72 Matchbox Corvette Ferdinand Miller Jr asked >> Do you know where I can purchase the resin detail and upgrade parts for the 1/72 scale Matchbox Corvette? I understand they were once available and are available again. << Ferdinand, Sirmar does a series of replacement parts. They can be ordered directly from them in the UK on (44) 1 562 747 419 Available are 6 packs: 1) Bridge 2) Carley Floats 3) Hedghog 4) Armourment 5) Stansions 6) Ships Boats They also have Lambert's book available. (which is 'pack' 7) I have them on order. If you like I could send you some photos (email) when they arrive. Regards Richard Simpson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: "Bill & Kaja Michaels" Subject: Source for Eastwind kits? >> For those of you that saw the Eastwind but were unable to purchase one in Dallas, Colpar Hobbies has them in stock for $35 including brass as with all Loose Cannon Kits. << PLease tell me more about these kits-- who makes them? What period does the kit represent? Who is Colpar Hobbies and how does one contact them? Check out my US Coast Guard subjects model list at: http://www.tiac.net/users/billkaja/kitlist.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Re: Hunley According to one of the reports I read, HUNLEY will be examined, stabilized from further deterioration, and eventually (approximately 5 or 6 years from now) placed on exhibit somewhere. MWL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: Donald P Morgan Subject: Re: Cyclops Re Lenny Crosby's search for a photo of Cyclops; If you can find a copy of Silverstone's bookU.S. Warships of World War 1, on page 209, you will find a good photo of the ship, at anchor. It will give you a good idea of just how big that ship really was. Don Morgan, San Antonio -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) From: Marc Flake Subject: Fine Scale Modeler Just wanted to compliment listmember Gary Kigzett not only for his USS Oregon making the cover of Fine Scale Modeler, but also his story on how he built it. There has been much wringing of hands and pulling of hair over he fact that the mainstream modeling media ignores ship modeling. It takes modelers like Gary to put articles in their hands so they can publish them. I hope others on the list follow his example, as well as that of other listmembers like Rusty White, who have written articles for this publication. We need to attract more modelers to our area of interest so that manufacturers will make more ships for us to build. BTW, the tease for next month lists an article about the building of a 1/350th scale Hornet -- any listmembers want to own up early on this one? Marc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31) From: Marc Flake Subject: Pearl Harbor Movie Holy Cage Mast Batman, what's that I see next to the damaged superstructure of the USS Arizona. Why, I believe it's an actual cage mast from a sunken battleship on the set of the new PEARL HARBOR movie! Go to http://cinemenium.com/pearlharbor/, then click on STANDARD to view two shots taken at the PEARL HARBOR set in Mexico. I'll leave it to the experts on how accurate the scene is, but this certainly revives my interest in catching this movie when it comes out. Maybe they will replace the modern destroyers they used for props with computer generated battleships. Surf around the site to learn about current filming in Corpus Christi aboard the Lexington. Last week she ws a Japanese carrier, this week, she's the Hornet, delivering B-25s to Tokyo. There's some pretty funny stuff in the Message Board about a bunch of "Japanese" crewman all eating at a local restaurant wearing military haircuts. Enjoy, Marc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 32) From: "Ian MacCorquodale" Subject: bitsnbytes Hi Gang, A few items to post while I have a minute. 1) My INR/Opsail 2000 site is up, although not quite complete. Have a series from Groton Submarine Museum and the Thanks page yet to post. Sincerest Thanks go to Mike Leonard who made the whole thing possible. It was also great to meet Mike in Halifax last month as well. Whatta Guy. http://www.geocities.com/macdale_2000/ 2) Does anyone make 1/350 scale Plessy Shield launchers? They werent included in my HMCS Halifax kit and are sorely needed. (As is a barberpole decal and the letters H and X!) 3) Great to see SMML back in publication. Cheers, Ian http://www.geocities.com/macrachael/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 33) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Confederate Submarine >> What is going to happen to the Civil War submarine that was salvaged this week? Are there any good pictorial books on this type of submarine? << Plans are to recover the crew and bury them alongside others who were previously lost in the Hunley during the US Civil War. Estimates on the restoration of the Hunley are that it will take 7-10 years to do a proper job. She is currently resting inside a tank of fresh water to reduce exposure to oxygen and rapid metal corrosion. Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 34) From: "Peter K. H. Mispelkamp" Subject: 1/400 IJN Haguro & Myoka Ebay Seller Well, I tried but it seems that my pockets are not quite deep enough to beat out my competion for either of these kits. However, I would like to add them to my database and wonder if you would be willing to make and mail me photocopies of their instruction sheets - if they haven't been shipped yet that is. Naturally, I would be willing to re-embourse you for these expenses. Thanks for considering this suggestion. Sincerely Peter K. H. Mispelkamp -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 35) From: ironship@usit.net (Jon Warneke) Subject: Correction on best Ship Diorama/US nats Rusty says, >> As I said, in the end he cleaned up, and I believe it won most popular model as well as first in its category. Correct me if I'm wrong. I was in the model room while the most popular award was being read. << I may be sticking my head into the tree chipper again like last year, but... The best ship diorama was Kelly Quirk's Enterprise/NJ diorama. Or, at least that's what the judging team decided before we left.... ;) Jon -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 36) From: Clifford Franklin Subject: French Colours John There was a posting concerning the colours of the French battleship Strasbourg in SMML # 586, which had the Marines Edition book as its source. The information given was: Strasbourg colours: As for the Dunkerque she was painted light grey from her launching to January 1940. She was repainted dark grey only for a very short period of time: Feb.1940 to October 1940. She reverted very soon to light grey! Neutrality bands are applied on turrets II and V in November 1940. Also a very short camouflaging test was tried from October to November 1939 in the form of two rings painted on the rear mast and two large black vertical bands on the rear face of the front tower. Two white rings on the funnel from March 1939 to August 1940. HTH Cliff Franklin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 37) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Pearl Harbor >> Another is that the Japanese were going to strike PH at all. Most analysts DID expect some type of sneak attack as at Port Arthur but the majority expected it to be at the Philippines. << It should also be bourn in mind that after his tour of Japan in the 1920s, Gen Billy Mitchell strongly opined that an attack on the US by Japan was in the works. He laid out a theoretical attack On Pearl, specifying that it would occur on a Sunday Morning, In Early December (after Thanksgiving, but before Christmas) and many other details of the attack. He proved remarkably prescient, even predicting the time of the attack (the actual attack was 1/2hr later due to unforeseen last minute delays, but was planned for the time he predicted (to overlap with Sunday morning church services and the concomitant increased unpreparedness)) Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 38) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Hunley >> What is going to happen to the Civil War submarine that was salvaged this week? Are there any good pictorial books on this type of submarine? << It will be restored and stabilized and put on display. The remains of the crew will be properly buried. Yes there are a number of books and articles. I would suggest a search on Amazon or B&N, This book is one of the more recent and complete "The Hunley : Submarines, Sacrifice, and Success in the Civil War" by Mark K. Ragan is widely available. Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 39) From: "chisum" Subject: Re: Duane Fowler's Decals Gary, I would be interested in the 1/350 and 1/192 scale decals, any country. Randy, Texas -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 40) From: "Charles S. Jones" Subject: Re: CO´s Boat, USS Midway >> for some time now, I have been searching high and low for information regarding "the skipper´s gig" aboard aircraft carrier Midway. No results, I have been e-mailing the different web-sites covering Midway but so far no reply. I am interested in the "gig" as you can see it at: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~buzznau/50s-005.jpg I would like to know what sort of boat it is, manufacturer, possible source for plans and so on, winter is aproaching and those dark long winter nights would be perfect for a modelling project. Anybody out there who knows anything about the boat, or know someone who might have had worked aboard the Midway? Any help is greatly appreciated. << From looking at my Boats of the US Navy it appears to be a 40' Personnel boat, MK 1. For what it's worth the BuShips Plan No is S8227 (2)-40-653391 If interested I could scan the page for you. It gives the statistics for the boat as well as a plan and profile view of the boat. Charles S. Jones -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 41) From: "Ronald E Rice" Subject: 1/200 Yamato Hello i am looking on how i could order the 1/200 scale model ship Yamato. and the price could you let me know -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 42) From: "Phil M. Gollin" Subject: BOOK ALERT David Brown's latest book - "Nelson to Rodney" was released in the UK on Wednesday 9th August. Unfortunately my favourite bookshop sold out of ALL their 6 copies on Wednesday and are awaiting re-stocking so after such a long wait I still haven't even seen it "in the flesh". However, those who want a copy had better go looking quickly !!! (I have NO commercial interest in the book ) Phil -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 43) From: "JAmes McCormick" Subject: Graf Zepplin Air wing- Peter Misspellkamp Peter, I'm getting your e-mails, are you getting mine? JMAC112665@msn.com. BTW, I want 3 each, as listed! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 44) From: "Jeffry Fontaine" Subject: DD-21 Land Attack Destroyer. Or "killer surfboard!" Timothy J. Barron wrote: >> FYI - DD-21 Land Attack Destroyer. Here is a possibility for the scratchbuilders. For pictures, click on Library, then Images. The are conceptual and light on detail. It's funny that the water looks more real. << Yes Tim the water does look a lot more convincing than that surfboard. Maybe the Navy should look into fielding the design as a video game first and when enough revenue has been collected from all of those video arcades and the home entertainment systems they could recoup some of their expenses on the hull development and also cue a new generation sailors to what the Navy expects them to go to sea and fight on. Land Attack Destroyer? Or Killer Surfboard? Wonder which name will sell more merchandise? afn, Jeffry Fontaine Bremerton, Washington -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 45) From: Rod Dauteuil Subject: Kitbashing/A case of good luck Hello, Often there's that certain ship you want to model, but there's nothing readily available in plastic or resin to fit the needs. Such was the case when I wanted to build an Essex Class SCB-27 conversion, and a stroke of good luck fell upon me. The -27 conversion included a modernized island and stronger catapults, but not the angle deck. The stroke of good luck came when I happened to buy a Revell Lexington at a show some time back, and to my surprise it contained a lot extra parts like another complete island, elevators, elevator tracks, hangar deck level sides, sponsons, cranes, etc. For the rest of the carrier, I used the Lindbergh Yorktown. So, over a short period of time I built and detailed the modernized island, built the hull and deck, waterlined the hull, scratchbuilt a hangar deck, added the escalator and modernized tracks, new cranes and sponsons, and watched "Bridges at Toko-Ri" for the millionth time. There are some really good shots of the Oriskany in that movie. For the airwing I scavenged the F9 Cougars out of that and another Lexington and painted them dark sea blue, and even created a Sikorsky HOS-3 helicopter from a Huey by thinning and re-shaping the fuselage. The end result? I now have the USS Essex as she appeared in the early 1950's. While not a contest quality model, it looks great on the shelf on display. And who says the modeling gods don't smile on us once in a while! Rod. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Keith Butterley Subject: RN Camo book Hi all, I am now taking orders for: RN Camouflage Volume I 1939-41 by Alan Raven $24Cdn/$16US + $3Cdn/$3US shipping. I will meet or beat any other price for this book Regards Keith Butterley http://www3.telus.net/warshipbooks/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: German WWI Decals in 1/700 & 1/350 Classic Warships has shipped their 1/700 and 1/350 German decals to Pacific Front Hobbies, and are now available for sale. 1/700 are $4.00 and 1/350 are $6.00 The sets contain All the different size ensigns and jacks for the Imperial German Navy, Postal Vessels, and Merchant ships. All the command flags are present (Admiral, Vise-Admiral, Commodore, etc.). A full set of correctly sized signal flags is included. Finally, the turret and deck rings for identification are included (two sizes). There are enough flags in the set to outfit a few progressively smaller ships, a battleship, a cruiser, a destroyer, etc., etc. Thanks, Steve Wiper www.classicwarships.simplenet.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Poore, Devin" Subject: Page update I've made some additions to online build page of my Farenholt model, for those of you who would like to check it out (and the ones who didn't see this post on the Warship message board). http://home.earthlink.net/~devinj/ Devin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume