Subject: SMML VOL 999 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 03:16:59 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Shame of Savo 2: Re: National Standards IPMS 3: Re: Landing Craft Plans 4: Re: 1/240 PE 5: Re: 1/240 PE 6: Re: 1/240 PE 7: HMS Saracen 8: 1/240 PE 9: wooden ships (was I"p"MS) 10: Re: Testors price increase 11: Re: Pumps for RC models 12: Re: Savo Island books 13: Re: I"p"MS and wood ship models 14: Re: Pumps for RC models 15: Re: Awnings 16: Pumps for RC 17: PE - Campbelltown 18: Re: scale awnings 19: San Francisco Here I come .... 20: Shame of Savo 21: Sea story 22: Re: Awnings 23: Re: Hennesy Book 24: Pumps for RC models 25: 1/240 Photoetch 26: WW1 Uniforms 27: Warship TV Series 28: Help with Viking kits 29: Pearl Harbor 30: Jutland 1916 31: Special Effects 32: Ugliest warship/model 33: Heller Illustrious/GMM etched brass for USS Ward 34: HMAS Canberra at Savo 35: Carriers 1964-1975 36: 1/240 PE 37: Re: I"p"MS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: 1/350 Enterprise Aircraft detailing sets -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Alan &Teresa Scheckenbach" Subject: Shame of Savo Gary, I have to agree that the Shame of Savo is well researched and pretty well represents the facts of what happened there. Bruce Loxton did a good job. It is my understanding that he is correct and the Canberra was hit by an American torpedo. A number of men did die unneccessarily. The wonder of it was that the torpedo went off at all. I seem to remember that US torpedoes were rather unreliable in the earlier part of the war. I was really turned off by the spreading of blame in what I thought was an unnecessary way. Basically the Japanese got the jump on the Australians and the Americans, gave them a hiding and got the hell out of there. If that had been the Allies, we'd still be trumpeting about it when hell freezes over. Instead of giving the Japanese their due all Dulcie wants to do is flagellate himself (he was actually there) and everyone else with the shortcomings of the operation. I think that was well dealt with at the time. I was very disappointed with his attitude and disposed of my copy. I prefer to read less emotionally biased writings. Alan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: BECJPARKER@aol.com Subject: Re: National Standards IPMS I hate to open this box of worms but what happened to National Standards. I remember back in 78 when a big brew ha ha happened when awards were not given in categories that the entries were not up to National Standards! The fight lasted for several years and resulted in the situation now where you have local guys running home to get models to enter in categories that are under subscribed to win prizes, as awards are given in every category that has entrants. Yes, it happens you see it at every convention, National and Regional. I hate to say it but this has resulted in some National awards being given for some poor models. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: john.baumann@talk21.com Subject: Re: Landing Craft Plans On and off I have been interested in Landing Craft for donkey's years. Since it appears to have a following and there are a number of people interested, I have compiled an incomplete list of references. John Baumann: Information Officer, Miniature Armoured Fighting Vehicles Association. BRITISH: Transactions of the Royal Institution of Naval Architects, Volume 89, 1947, pages 218-258: Notes [& plans]on the development of Landing Craft. Assault from the Sea: by J D Ladd. War of the Landing Craft: by Lund & Ludlam. Model Boats: Issues: January, March & April 1980 Maybe others? Can anyone contribute copies of these to me please?). Does anyone know what happened to the (previously MAP/Argus/ASP) Model Boats Plans Service source of ship plans as some LCs were listed amongst the listings? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: 1/240 PE >> Hi Guys, I'm looking for phot-etch kits for the REVELL 1/240 4-stacker kits>(Campbelltown/Ward). Any Ideas? << Gold Metal Models makes a set, Toms Modelworks may also. Both can be accessed through the Warship site Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Felix Bustelo" Subject: Re: 1/240 PE Matt, Gold Medal has an excellent PE set for the Revell flush-decker kit. This is my next project after my Airfix Ajax. The set is reviewed with a scan of the set on my website International Maritime Modeling http://members.tripod.com/~Febus65/imm.htm Look under Photoetch reviews and look for the Buckley/Ward set under GMM. Regards, Felix Bustelo Webmaster -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Les Pickstock Subject: Re: 1/240 PE >>> Hi Guys, I'm looking for phot-etch kits for the REVELL 1/240 4-stacker kits (Campbelltown/Ward). Any Ideas? << For my money Gold Medal Model's Ward/Bligh/Buckley set. This double set provides everything for the Four Piper and the HMS BLIGH/USS BUCKLEY DE (another Revell model, same scale). All the fittings and hand rails also the D/C racks and radars. But watch out for the main guns of the Campbeltown kit, they are way out of scale and the PE is designed to fit them. I had to scratchbuild guns but the the PE fits the replacements almost as well. Les Pickstock. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: AandMBlevins@gateway.net Subject: HMS Saracen You have, I see, taken the same route I have on the way to building a monitor. Isn't Reeman's book a gem? I have, so far, been unable to locate a kit, or even a set of plans for a monitor. there are several photos of U.S. monitors in DANS on line, but they are not as massiveas the RN monitors. There is a photograph of HMS Roberts on the bookjacket that has me really enthused about doing a model. The book "The Big Gun Monitors" was recommended to me, but I have been unable to locate a copy. There was one for sale in ebay recently, but the bidding got too rich for my blood. Al Blevins -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: 1/240 PE Hi Matt Gold Medal Models has a set designed for the Revell Box Scale (1/240 in this instance) Buckley, Bligh. Ward. See the URL: http://www.goldmm.com/ships/gms2ordr.htm Ed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: wooden ships (was I"p"MS) Marc wrote: >> I've got to weigh in on this one. If wood ship models are going to be allowed to enter plastic modeling contests, they should have their own category. To me it's a little like rigged biplanes competing with jets. << Thats the reason for the categories. Rigged biplanes do not normally compete against jets - until you get to "best aircraft". In most contests, sailing and oar powered ships do not compete against powered ships. Based on the numbers of entries, there may be lumps and splits. Generally, a full-rigged wooden sailing ship model should compete against a rigged plastic ship. The construction skills displayed are thereby judged comparably. The judging criteria are the same - tight seams, perpendicular & square where it supposed to be, application of paint (NOT color selection), rigging taut, etc. Where I begin to have a problem is ... should a wooden ship model be given extra consideration because of the limitations/qualities of the media? If there are two ship models on the table with an equal number of non-disqualifiable flaws (there are no perfect models) - should the wooden ship be given extra consideration over the plastic one? Even if there are "overscale" parts that are beyond the limits of the media (let say turned wooden railing supports)? There are more seams on the wooden one to get tight - doesn't that count for something? Ed Mansfield. TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Devin J. Poore" Subject: Re: Testors price increase I was out on vacation last week, and am just now catching up on all of the SMML's of my absence, so this is a little late... I'd like to comment on the Badger line of acrylic paints, as did Kurt Van Dahm in his posting. With the exception of using Floquil laquer based paints for metallics, I am using the Badger acrylics pretty much exclusively. They airbrush beautifully (although I do thin them a bit), and brush painting is pretty good too. Just as a fair warning, though, I put some samples on plastic card and put them next to the Snyder and Short color chips and they were off, so you still will need to do your own mixing for the "dead on" match. It's not a ship kit, but the Boba Fett figure kit on my web page was done totally with these paints (except for the silver, the Badger metallics have too coarse of a grain for my liking), and my Farenholt kit will be painted with these paints only. I find them reasonably priced and have made them my "paint of choice", for what it's worth. Devin http://home.earthlink.net/~devinj/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: John Subject: Re: Pumps for RC models >> I am searching for a source of miniature pumps that will fit inside of a model speedboat about 32" long.Maybe a rotary type pump. Any and all help is appreceated. TIA << Hey Pepe. In my 1/72nd scale model of the H.M.S. Hood i use windshield washer motors as both bilge pumps and as water cannon out of her main armament , they are usually quite cheap around 10 dollars U.S. check out the smml home page for pictures of my small project also the H.M.S. HOOD web site check out the model gallery of scratch built. go to the auto parts store and see if you can find the following pump and number ROBERK P50 universal washer pump for domestic and foreign vehicles this is the pump i use in the H.M.S. HOOD and at !0.99 i use 4 of them HMS Hood site: http://www.hmshood.com Good luck John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: pugs99@att.net Subject: Re: Savo Island books Hi All, To Gary: I have read just about everything written on Savo Island and plan to get a copy of Shame of Savo as well as I missed it when it first came out. I echo what Craig Bennet said regarding Morrison's account as being the definitive HISTORICAL account of the battle. It appears to be the most historically accurate according to many vets(one in the family) of Savo that I have spoken with. In fact, one person, a vet by the way, has read Shame of Savo and his pronouncement was, I quote, "Revisionist GARBAGE!!!". Accounts of this battle range from good to lousy. Many have commented on the Canberra being accidentally torpedoed by a "friendly"(USS BAGLEY??)ship. Also, many have documented the failure of the Australian Hudson(and many other plane types!!) to report on the enemy ships. All probably occurred as this was one of the most confused battles in naval history. The battles for Guadalcanal are a favorite research topic of mine. Don't let the fact that "it is the most recent" lure you into believing that it "is the most accurate" as there is plenty of material covering this subject; some of the most fascinating are action reports of the ships involved. Somne of the so-called "standard American accounts" are pretty good, contrary to the opinion of certain USN-Bashers. I am looking forward to reading this account, even if it's primary point is an un-proven incident. It would be less than scholarly however, if un-proven conjecture is the main thrust of the work. At least, it is a recent account, showing historical interest is still alive for this very interesting topic. Regards, John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: I"p"MS and wood ship models >> I've got to weigh in on this one. If wood ship models are going to be allowed to enter plastic modeling contests, they should have their own category. To me it's a little like rigged biplanes competing with jets. The modeling skills and methods aren't comparable. << I agree. This is how we do it. We (the Contest Committee) keep a close eye on the numbers and types of models in our respective categories. If we see an increase in a particular type or scale of model, we make note of that. If the numbers increase for three consecutive years, we will usually create a new category for that type or scale of model. We want a three year average because we don't want to create and eliminate categories every year. The modelers want stability in the categories so they can depend on them from one year to the next. A good example of this was the dinosaur category. The entries in that category has tripled over the last three years. So the category was created. The process works the other way as well. If a category declines over a three year period it may be eliminated. The shadow box category is an example of this. In short, if more wood ship models keep showing up over the next few years (especially if they create a split), a new category may be created to accommodate them. Rusty White IPMS/USA Head ship judge http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Clem Jensen" Subject: Re: Pumps for RC models It depends what you are going to do with the pumps. If it is for high output as it is in my fireboats I use a pump supplied for RV vehicles for their water supply [sinks ,showers etc]. If you don't need that kind of output consider automotive windshield washer pumps. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: RhinoBones@aol.com Subject: Re: Awnings Appreciate receiving the numerous responses recommending material and methods for scratch building awnings . . . especially noteworthy was the warning not to use scented and flowered tissue. I understand that the floral pattern is reserved for a name brand corvette builder. One suggestion was the use of coffee filters as the raw material. Considering how well filters hold up against the coffee I've been known to brew, I think I'll start with the filters and see what happens. Thanks again. Regards, RhinoBones -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Subject: Pumps for RC >> I am searching for a source of miniature pumps that will fit inside of a model speedboat about 32" long.Maybe a rotary type pump. Any and all help is appreceated. << Try Skip Asay at www.rcboats.com. He owns SubTech which makes RC saub stuff - including some great pumps. Kevin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Ned Barnett Subject: PE - Campbelltown >> Hi Guys, I'm looking for phot-etch kits for the REVELL 1/240 4-stacker kits (Campbelltown/Ward). Any Ideas? << Me, too, mes amis Ned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: scale awnings >> t might be the deuce getting the pattern cut to suit you but it would work much better I think. I will add the caveat that I've not used it in that manner but have considered the matter when thinking about displaying the Revell Arizona as she looked on Pearl Harbor day. I've also seen some amazing things done with it for simulating sails on 1/600 scale sailing vessels << Fine bond paper works. I've not used it {yet} for the awnings in question but I have used it for small scale sails and also for small scale striped awnings on steamship models (made the stripes in a computer drawing program). On sails I color it with light washes of water color and I'm sure this would work on battleship awnings. Bob Santos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Ned Barnett Subject: San Francisco Here I come .... Hola, Amigas ... Effective October 1, I'm taking an exciting new job in the San Fran bay area; I won't be relocating, but I'll be going to the home office fairly regularly. GIven that, I'd like to know ... What's available (museum ship-like) in the area - and where. My office will be in Emeryville, next to the Oakland Bay Bridge, but I'll have time (occasionally) to get around. Last trip I saw the sub and Liberty ship on Pier 39 - very impressive (or was it Pier 45?). Anyway, very impressive. But there have to be other things to see (and directions on how to get there, please ). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Shame of Savo >> Shame of Savo is probably the nearest you'll get to a definitive account. To my knowledge it is the most recent work on the subject and the most accurate. There are others but they suffer from various flaws. The standard American accounts aren't worth the effort as they tend to repeat various early errors (re the Australian Hudson not sending a report for example). Stick with this one. << Shame of Savo is new to me; I can't comment on it. However, I can take exception to the blanket condemnation of US books on the subject. As part of his excellent trilogy, Eric Hammel has written: Guadalcanal - Decision at Sea; this is primarily about the Naval Battle of Guadalcanal (November 13-15), but covers the preceding battles as well. Also, his Guadalcanal: The Carrier Battles has excellent coverage, and even his land-battle book on Guadalcanal (Starvation Island) has useful information. For reasons beyond comprehension, I've tried to read everything I can find on the Canal ... it holds a remarkable interest for me, perhaps because of it's turning-point nature and the desperate struggle on all sides. This does not make me an expert - far from it (though I have published on the use of armor at Bloody Ridge and Tulagi); but I do believe there are recent books that give a more balanced view. Ned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: Sea story http://www.send4fun.com/2lightsp.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: klmok@home.com Subject: Re: Awnings >> The thinnest paper that I've found is cigarette rolling papers and you can tint those with diluted solutions of tea or watercolors. << Now that you mentioned it the best paper is the used teabag itself. Its tough, wets easily but won't dissolve into a useless pulp when wet and its already stained. I do armour and use the paper for making rolled tarps with the used tea leaves making real convincing ground texture. Kelvin Mok -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: Marc Flake Subject: Re: Hennesy Book I found a book called "Bright Blue Sky" by a writer named Hennessey listed under WWI Naval fiction in the library catalog. But I couldn't find a copy on the shelves. Perhaps this is the long lost third volume. HTH Marc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: Kurt Van Dahm Subject: Pumps for RC models A source of miniature pumps that will fit inside of a model speedboat is an automotive windshield washer pump. Come in 12 volt and are able to be used as bilge pumps or for firefighting nozzles. RAM makes a bilge pump set up using such a pump with auto controls for on/off by sensing water in the hull. Any auto parts store will have the pumps. Take care, Kurt Van Dahm Westmont, IL NRG member -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: 1/240 Photoetch Matt asked - >> I'm looking for phot-etch kits for the REVELL 1/240 4-stacker kits (Campbelltown/Ward). Any Ideas? << As it happens, GMM makes a dedicated "Ward/Buckley" upgrade set to vastly improve both of those venerable Revell kits. An outstanding idea and well worth the $40 price. Mike Alexandria, VA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: WW1 Uniforms Last week Chris Crofoot asked about WW1 naval uniforms - >> Does anybody know what type of uniform the German navy used during WWI....I've got a German Destroyer under conversion and I'd like to populate it with sailors...but I'm unsure as to what type of Uniform the Officers and men would have worn during a patrol. << To judge from photos from the 1890-1920 period, most of the world's navies wore a traditional style more or less copied from the RN: a loose fitting pullover jumper with square collar flap (plain or striped, often in a lighter blue -- "Cornflower Blue" for the Germans -- than the jumper) and trousers cut with straight or bell-bottom legs. Material was dark blue wool (winter) and white cotton (summer). Nationalities could be further distinguished by headgear, rank badges/insignia/buttons, and other minor variations to the basic 'square rig'. A lucky sailor would have a spare uniform reserved for such activities as shore leave, personnel inspections, and standing quarterdeck watches. Unlike later generations, turn of the century sailors seem to have been issued only one style of uniform for almost every type of duty, including work that would have easily soiled them ("coaling parties" and topside cleaning and preservation being obvious examples). Officers weren't much better off, generally having a blue or white sack coat, with high collar, worn with trousers and peaked cap. By WW1, both German and British naval officers wore a black necktie (apparently several styles were permitted), white shirt, and double-breasted blue jacket. Then as now, men at sea adopted less formal dress than when ashore. In hot weather, the jumper could be removed; some European navies wore a blue and white striped undershirt. Men in the propulsion spaces might have been issued coveralls in a variety of colors that lessened the affect of constantly working around soot, oil, and grease. References: "U-Boat Crews 1914-1945" by Williamson & Pavlovic "Arms and Uniforms of the First World War" by Funcken "Navies and Sea Battles of WWI" by Fitzsimons (ed.) "Uniforms and Decorations of World Wars I & II" by Fitzsimons (ed.) Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Warship TV Series According to the Virginian-Pilot newspaper, the British production company Grenada Television was recently filming a reenactment of the duel between MONITOR and VIRGINIA at Hampton Roads as part of a new series called "Warship". The replicas used were a 32-foot long MONITOR and 54-foot long VIRGINIA, 1/5th actual size models built from wood and fiberglass. The series will cover naval technology from Trafalgar to the Gulf War. Additional filming was done at Pearl Harbor and the UK. The four one-hour episodes in this series are tentatively entitled: "Speed and Might: Sail to Steam, Wood to Iron" "Under the Sea: The Submarine" "On the Waves: The Battleship" "Into the Sky: The Aircraft Carrier" The series is due to air in the Spring of 2001, and will be distributed by the Corporation for Public Broadcasting in the US. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: "O'Connor" Subject: Help with Viking kits SMMLies- Just a quick question for future reference- Has anyone had experience with Viking Models 1/72 scale Vietnam Brown Water navy kits? Are they worth the $$,or a waste of it? Also, a bit late as to the whats on the bench thread- I picked up an old PYRO (1966!!!) kit of HMS Ark Royal ( the sailing ship) years ago, and recently decided I needed to do some color. So out it came, and it's been a real joy- colorful paint scheme and a real difference compared to what I normally build. I'm to the masts and rigging point- now, do I want to get anal and make my own ratlines and replace the thick molded sails, or go OOB. Happy modeling and remember-this is a great hobby. It also keeps Joe Damato out of the bars-or is it out from BEHIND bars...... Bob O'Connor, in steamy central Florida, and thinking of any of you who may be in the Caribbean threatened by Huricane Debby-good luck -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: "Mike C" Subject: Pearl Harbor I've been following this thread and so far all the blame for a "cover up" seems to center around FDR. If you consider this pragmatically, I think we should be focusing on Churchill instead. At the time of the Pearl Harbor attack, England was struggling for her very survival and Churchill was desperate for the Americans to get involved. Since intelligence transmissions from Commonwealth stations would probably have to go through the Home Office, what better opportunity would Churchill have to allow a catalyst that would insure American participation? After all, it wasn't British subjects who were in harm's way and he may not have considered the Japanese efficient enough to worry about total destruction of American forces. Churchill gambled and won what he needed. He did what he thought he had to do. I think FDR loved the U.S. Navy far too much to have knowingly allowed such a devastating loss. After all the Fleet reviews and trips made aboard BBs and CAs during the 30's, I imagine he probably knew, or at least met, most of the officers involved with the Pearl Harbor attack. I have no proof of this and nothing else to back this up. It's just my gut feeling and an opinion, but something else to consider none the less. Best regards, Mike Czibovic -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Jutland 1916 Newly published in the Osprey "Campaign" series -- 'Jutland 1916: Clash of the Dreadnoughts' by Charles London, illustrated by Howard Gerrard. 96-page paperback is profusely illustrated with sharp photographs of the ships and commanders of the famous WW1 sea battle. Book also includes four double-page artist's impressions of combat action (NASSAU being rammed by SPITFIRE is quite impressive) and charts and color plots of the maneuvers made by the battle lines. Contains order of battle of the British and German fleets. Appears to be an interesting new account of the events leading up to the action, the battle, and its aftermath. Price is US$ 18.98. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Special Effects My take on Mel Gibson's movie "The Patriot": basically the latest Hollywood crime against history, but still very impressive to look at. The computer-generated ships that appear in scenes of the Charleson, South Carolina waterfront, the exploding British merchantman, and the French fleet in action at Yorktown are extremely well done. Mike Alexandria, VA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 32) From: "feed" Subject: Ugliest warship/model A couple of questions to all the fellows smmlies: Which is the ugliest warship model you have ever built? otherwise Which is the ugliest one you' ve ever seen? I think it would be nice to have a thread on this subject. Saludos feed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 33) From: Stephen Allen Subject: Heller Illustrious/GMM etched brass for USS Ward Greetings all. I've just acquired the Heller kit of HMS Illustrious (WW2 not modern)and wondered if anybody could advise me what period in the ship's history the kit best represents, and what might be the most useful sources for camouflage info, particularly pattern and colours. Also, in response to the question re etch for the Revell Ward, I can recommend the GMM set. I'm using it right now and it's very nice. thanks Stephen Allen -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 34) From: "Mackenzie Gregory" Subject: HMAS Canberra at Savo Hello Gary, At the start of the Battle of Savo Island at 0143 on the 9th. of August 1942, I was the Officer of the Watch on Canberra's bridge, at the time I was a SubLieutenant RAN. Also on the bridge was Midshipman Bruce Loxton, who survived some nasty wounds to eventually become a Commodore RAN. Bruce of course authored "The Shame of Savo" which is probably the definitive report on the battle, he makes out a very compelling case for Canberra picking up a torpedo from USS Bagley, our starboard escort at that time. However, I can assure readers that the 24 hits we sustained on our port side all emanated from the attacking Japanese cruisers who then swept on to sink Quincy, Astoria and Vincennes. Canberra eventually was sunk at about 0800 on the morning of August 9 by gunfire and torpedoes from US destroyers, as Turner had ordered the force to retire after Fletcher and his Carriers had departed the day before, leaving the Transports and covering Naval forces without air cover. Morison in his Naval histories got it wrong in reporting that The Australian Hudson crew that sighted Mikawa en route to Guadalcanal did not break radio silence, and did not immediately report their sighting on their return, this Hudson report may not have been entirely accurate, but it did report an early sighting. Bruce Loxton puts Morison's wrong report about the Hudson sighting to rest for all time. With Bruce I met the Hudson pilot Bill Stutt, and his navigator at the time to hear first hand what had actually happened on that faeful day so long ago now in 2000. Just thought that these few comments may help a little. Mackenzie Gregory. AHOY Naval Reminiscences. http://members.xoom.com/_XMCM/porthole/mac/mac.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 35) From: "Bruce" Subject: Carriers 1964-1975 Battle order, Battle for Carriers and Carrier-based squadrons In the Western Pacific-{WesPac} and Vietnam waters, 1964-1975 Compiled by Naval Aviation History Branch, Naval Historical Center Washington D.C. I have the list, If scale modeler need's this information for any reason, to go with there model or you can just check the listing at Naval History Branch website. Langley -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 36) From: "WEM" Subject: 1/240 PE Hi Matt, Re PE for the Revell Campbeltown/Ward, I would highly recommend the Gold Medal Models set. It provides a complete set of brass for the Campbeltown/Ward. The set also provides a compplete set of brass for the Revell Buckley/Bligh. Many dealers, including ourselves, carry this set. BTW, a bunch of you out there will be pleased to know that after several phototool failures for our 1/350 Konig/Grosser Kurfurst set, due to software failure with the plotters, this set should be with us inside a week. This all-whistles, all-bells set has to be seen to be beieved.. stay tuned! All The Best, Caroline Carter, White Ensign Models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 37) From: "Rod Millard" Subject: Re: I"p"MS I would like to throw my 2cents in. I model in plastic sailing ships. Yes I do use other materials to help strengthing mast, yards, etc. But 80% of my model is plastic. and when I go to a IPMS based contest I presume that the model will be mostly plastic. I would suspect that when IPMS started they did it because there were organization that took care of wood planes & ships. And there were contest for them but not the plastic models. Yes wood model ships are beautiful, but should have there own class in a contest that I believe is meant for plastic models (And we all know what were saying when we say plastic models). Rod Millard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Tom & Carolyn Harrison" Subject: 1/350 Enterprise Aircraft detailing sets New from Tom's Modelworks for the Tamiya 1/350 Enterprise model. Aircraft detailing sets. Set 3525 has over 500 individual parts for the aircraft supplied in the Enterprise kit or the Tamiya's US Naval Aircraft set #1 The set contains gear struts, gear doors. wing pylons, tail hooks etc. $16.00 Set 3526 has over 400 individual parts and is designed to go with the Tamiya's US Naval Aircraft set #2 it contains the same types of parts as set 3525 $14.00 These sets are available either directly for us with SMML free shipping or Pacific Front Hobbies. Both sets can be viewed are out web site www.tomsmodelworks.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume