Subject: SMML VOL 1001 Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 01:57:56 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Give it a rest (Pearl Harbor, etc.) 2: Re: Substandard models 3: Brass 1/350 propellers 4: Re: sunny England 5: Re: Ned Barnett's Comment on Pearl Harbor 6: Re: Wooden ships in IPMS 7: Conspiracies 8: Re: SMML VOL 1000 9: Special machining to reduce resin hulls to waterline 10: Lindberg and amphibious subjects 11: Pumps and Things 12: Re: SMML VOL 1000 13: Re: Galaxy models? 14: Hennessey Trilogy 15: Olympic and Titanic? 16: A petrified piece of poodle s*** - A kit review 17: Re: Landing Craft Plans, a more complete list of sources 18: Trophies and Standards 19: Re: USS O'BANNON and Bikinis 20: Curator of Navy Ship Models Website 21: Re: LCMs -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Wanted ITC Schooner Atlantic kit 2: Austin Model Show, Saturday, August 26, 2000 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS IMPORTANT NOTICE Hi gang, Lorna & I have been persuaded to take my Mother-in-Law up to sunny Queensland (didn't take much ;-) ), to visit family there & for a much needed break & change of scene for the three of us. As a consequence & unless I can work out some form of mobile access, SMML will be put on another break for 2 1/2 weeks starting from the 2nd September until approx the 20th September. While we're up there in "canetoad" territory ;-), I'll be visiting HMAS Diamentina (River class Frigate) & getting photos for a walkaround. If anyone knows of any other interesting sites OT & ot to visit, we'd appreciate it. Regards, Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: DaveRiley1@aol.com Subject: Re: Give it a rest (Pearl Harbor, etc.) In SMML1000, Ned Barnett wrote: >> May I gently request that we get the (ahem) back to modeling, and take the political conspiracy threads to off-list discussion formats? Please? << I second the motion. This is a modeling forum. Dave Riley Portsmouth, RI -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Substandard models If really want the "elitism" accusations to fly, just try setting a standard for all models to be judged. I wouldn't go near that with a 10 foot pole. Another real problem you would have to deal with is, what are you going to do with all the left over awards assuming we had such a ludicrous rule in IPMS/USA. The awards are designed for each nationals. So what do you do. Toss em, or have a model base auction? Either way, you are looking at a lot of wasted money in any competition unless you have "generic" awards. IF IPMS ever does go to a minimum standard for models, that will be my last year to judge. Rusty White IPMS/USA Head ship judge http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: David_L._Miller@ccmail.wiu.edu Subject: Brass 1/350 propellers I am building a 1/350 scale mode of the Coral Sea (CVA43) for a former crew member who now runs a small hardwood shop. He is furnishing various exotic woods for the model which will be displayed in his shop to show the wood varieties. My client wants brass propellers on the model. Does anyone know where I could get small (3/8-1/2 inch), four and five bladed brass props for this model? I thought this would be a standard item offered through any good model ship fitting supplier but I have searchedthe web with no luck.... Thanks in advance, Dave Miller -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "katzcom" Subject: Re: sunny England Hey Shane if you have met Caroline then you just know if she wears a bikini then IT HAD BETTER BE SUNNY or else;) best wishes from graham@the cruiser sig wheres it is hot and sunny, and who is finding out just how "smmlie" babys nappies are:[ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: AandMBlevins@gateway.net Subject: Re: Ned Barnett's Comment on Pearl Harbor Second the motion! Al Blevins -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: James Corley Subject: Re: Wooden ships in IPMS >> Where I begin to have a problem is ... should a wooden ship model be given extra consideration because of the limitations/qualities of the media? << >> No. That's the risk you take when you enter a wooden model in an IPMS contest. If the seams aren't as tight or parts are out of scale, too bad. It will count against you just as it does with all the other entries. << But the three ships that we are discussing had terrible seam work, at least on the deck. During the debate it was pointed out that the deck was comprised of planks (about 3/16" IIRC) with gaps between them (1/8"?) where the caulking should go. This is much larger than the deck treads molded into the Revel LIONFISH kit and is, in scale, about a 5" plank with a 3" gap!! The crew would have all had 2 broken ankles by the time they passed the Azores! There was also a problem with the skewed mast, but it was explained away as "it's supposed to be" by a sailing ship builder, so I deferred to his expertise. BTW, the tackle did seem a bit out of scale, but was the ship a 1/25 or 1/16? There were differing scale on the data sheets but they all looked in scale with each other. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Summers David Col 56 MDG/SGPMI Subject: Conspiracies Do I detect a conspiracy to suppress investigation into conspiracies? Is there something to hide, you're afraid we'll find out if we continue discussion? Your cover-up and evasion only confirms our suspicions!!! D Summers -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com Subject: Re: SMML VOL 1000 To Shane & MIstress Lorna, Congratulations on reaching the 1000 mark!!!!!!! Thanks for the terrific work you do with the list. I find that it is one of my most valuable modeling resources. Thanks again, and here's to the next 1000!!!!! Happy Modeling, John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: Special machining to reduce resin hulls to waterline If any of you American SMML people need a source to reduce resin ship hulls to waterline, I discovered a unique source near Bremerton, WA. The gentleman in question is elderly and retired. He has a complete machine shop in his barn behind his home. As a special favor, he cut dowm a 24" hull to waterline, then milled the edges to perfection. All this for a reasonable price [I thought]. It was a superb result. He maded a wall plaque trophy for a Navy group by machining down a sub hull vertically so that it could be glued to a wall plaqe for a presentation. He cut about one third of the hull vertically - just along the sail to produce a flat spot to glue to the plaque. It was excellent work. This is not his regular business. The sub and my hull were special jobs. He isn't sure the volume is great enough for him to pursue this. He also does not have a computer. If enough of you need this sevice e-mail me and I will try to get him interested and also to buy a computer. Again, he is an old man and I cannot guarantee that this will work. Please let me know if you are interested. Regards, John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "George Hackett" Subject: Lindberg and amphibious subjects Does anyone know why Lindberg was the only manufacturer to offer such a wide range of amphibious ships and craft? Were their designers former "Gator Navy"? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: cwjerden Subject: Pumps and Things Hi All from the oven... As life has just been tipped upside down, I'm a little behind so please excuse my tardyness. The question on pumps for R/C is a little misplaced here but it is one I can cover. The best pumps in the world(for their size) are found in the world of R/C Combat. Years of work have honed them to a high art. Modern combat pumps can drain over a gallon a minuit from a hull and shoot that stream 12 to 20 ft. They are powerfull enough to be defensive wepons in their own right. Ask your favorite browser for "Swampworks" or "Battelers connection" and "Model Warship Combat" for web pages. In my little German Destroyer, with weight the toughest factor, I have a good one. I bought a small toy boat with a "Jet Drive" run on two "c" batteries. I just wittled away the hull until all that remained was the pump housing. Keep the outlet run short and sweet and remember to check for "motor noise" with your radio. This toy won't keep up with my "Real"pump but it should keep a fast and agile Desroyer up. Lets face it a Battleship's Broadside will sink a Destroyer, model or real!Good luck. On Fine Scale Modeler (waits for groans to die down) I found a single copy of the mag at my local book re-sale shop the other day. It was the November 1994 issue. I bought it for Rusty White's "Building Resin Ships" on page 34. Is it too late to say good one Rusty? This issue also has a review of the Naval Works USS Chester (Page 13) and as a real hoot, page 10 has a complaint letter from some one who says there is too much space in the mag devoted to ships and figures! I look to Fine Scale for inspiration and I look to my reseach for the how to. I would say that Fine Scale covers ships just fine. Well Enough babbling, Charles "it's a 112 in the hanger today" Jerden -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: peter samolinski Subject: Re: SMML VOL 1000 CONGRATS ON THE 1000TH!!!! I've only been on board for about 100, and I'm impressed with that, nevermind the rest of 'em. Very, very nice. By the way, the Biggins book A Sailor of Austria is outstanding - as a naval book, as literature, as a view of WWI, anyway you cut it, highly recommended. Thanks again for your SMMLie efforts. Pete -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Mike Settle Subject: Re: Galaxy models? >> Has anyone out there heard of a company called Galaxy models, if so what are their kits like quality wise << It is probably not the company you are asking about, but the one I am familiar with is Galaxy, Ltd., owned by the founder of Scale Auto Enthuiast and Car Modeler magazines. I can't remember his name, but he sold the magazines to Kalmbach several years ago. They have produced several nice trailer models in 1/24-25th scale, a midget racer, and their most recent kits, a 1/25th scale '46/47/48 Chevy Aerosedan and a sedan delivery version of the same car. Mike Settle I am not agent #1908 of the non-existent Lumber Cartel (tinlc)tm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "M & R Brown" Subject: Hennessey Trilogy The third book in the Kelly Maguire trilogy is called Back to Battle and was published in 1980. Have you tried the Alan Evans "Smith" series"? One of those features a monitor in WW1. Michael Brown -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Olympic and Titanic? Am I correct in thinking that these are sister ships? I've been doing some research into wartime conversions of liners, and the Olympic had several remarkable dazzle camo jobs - a refreshing change of pace for the Titanic kits that abound. Any help would be appreciated. Ned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Ned Barnett Subject: A petrified piece of poodle s*** - A kit review Armageddon tired of these really bad kits coming out and costing way too much. Case in point - the Armageddon L.C.V.P. What a piece of crap! Not only is there more flash than a Las Vegas night club strip show, but the plastic pour was so bad that there are holes in things where the plastic didn't get in. A nice little triangular hole in the hull near the stern; an impossible-to-fix wedge left out of one of the .30 cal gun shields. The crew are so flash-ridden as to be almost unusable - however, each looks as if he took an 88 mm AP round in the spine. Major holes. Biggest problem is the hull. On my kit, it seems as if the hull was brushed with Testors liquid cement and left to dry ... except instead of drying rough, it dried smooth (as if there's actually something on the hull. You can see and feel the flow marks - maybe a mold-release had an element caustic to plastic. Based on my references (limited, but a few) the shape seems good. I haven't scaled it out. However, if you want an LCVP, you might as well resign yourself to kit-bashing or scratch-building most of the details. 1/72 armor and infantry kits can provide most of what you need. I don't think you'd want to ravage a Vosper boat for parts ... but maybe some gracious soul will come out with a resin/PE upgrade. The shame is this piece of crap cost $20 bucks (USD). That's outrageous for a kit this size, in this scale - even if it was good. Which it isn't. However, when I get done with it, and get done with my Airfix Buffalo and my Revell PT, I'll have a nice collection of really shitty kits that were turned into something at great effort and expense, but for no discernable reason . Wish I could say better about this pig, but the truth is, it sucks on toast. Ned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: john.baumann@talk21.com Subject: Re: Landing Craft Plans, a more complete list of sources BRITISH: Transactions of the Royal Institution of Naval Architects, Volume 89, 1947, pages218-258: Notes on the development of Landing Craft [*]. These provide basic rudimentary drawings, a plan and side view only. Landing Craft by M Brice, ISO Outlines 1985: ISBN 0 946784 05 5 [Contains plans from *]. The Design and Construction of British Warships Volume 3, titled "Amphibious Warfare Vessels & Auxiliaries", and is edited by D K Brown RCNC. Published by Conway ISBN No.0 85177 675 2. Assault from the Sea: by J D Ladd. ISBN 0 7153 6937 7. War of the Landing Craft: by Lund & Ludlam. Model Boats: Issues: January, March & April 1980 (are there others?). Ian Allan: Warships of WW2: Part 8 By Lenton & Colledge 1963. Arms & Armour Press: Allied Landing Craft of WW2: ISBN 0 85368 6874. Rocket Firing LCAs: Military Modelling Magazine (GB) 5/1986. LCA: Army & Navy Modelworld 8/1984 (Partial repeat of Modelworld 9/1972 article). LCT4: Army & Navy Modelworld 3/1984. Warship No.45: Landing Craft through the ages: Part1. 19988 Conway ISBN 0 85177 472 5. Warship No.46: Landing Craft through the ages: Part2. 19988 Conway ISBN 0 85177 480 6. Ships Without Names: The story of the Royal Navy's Tank Landing Ships of WW2. Brian Macdermott, A&AP 1992, ISBN I 85409 126 3. USA: US Naval Vessels: The Official US Navy Reference Manual, Naval Intelligence 1/9/1945. Schiffer Books. ISBN: 0 7643 0090 3. Amphibious Operations: WW2 Journal 9-12/1975 Article. US LST2: Army & Navy Modelworld 7/1984. Web-Sources: The Floating Drydock has drawings at: www.floatingdrydock.com GERMAN: Invasion of England 1940: The Planning of Operation Sealion by Peter Schenk (a very concise work of art!) 1990 Conway. ISBN 0 85177 548 9. After the battle: Issue 69 [Péniche]. Warship No.18 4/1981: Operation Sealion. Various issues of the German Modell Fan Magazine [Dates Unknown] SF (Seibelfahre[Ferry]) & PLFs (PionierLandungsFahre) Rumanian Modelism 3/1998: SF & MNLs. Web-Sources [for Péniche]: http://www.bastille.net/pnich/patri.htm http://h2ofrance.com JAPANESE: Japanese Landing Craft of WW2, Historical Society 1995. Special Fast Landing Ships of the Imperial Japanese Navy: Part 3, Warship No.40: 10/1986: Conway Maritime Press: ISBN 0 85177 394X. General: D-Day: Army & Navy Modelworld 6/1984. Associations: IPMS (Special Interest Group), Alan Hill, 29 Huntingham Way, Tycoch, Swansea, SA2 9HN. LST & LC Assn, William Chalk, 15 Cobham Way, Merley, Wimborne, Dorset, BH21 1SJ. Associated Subjects (Vessels with Tank Turrets, Rocket Mounts): USSR Modelist Konstruktor, 9 & 10/1985 Czech Atom: 11/1985, p10. From john.baumann@talk21.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: james.kloek@kodak.com Subject: Trophies and Standards We run our local annual IPMS contest and show to encourage interest and participation in modeling. We think one way to do that is to give out a lot of trophies. So our philosophy is to split categories, etc as much as we can and still be fair. How encouraged will someone be who enters a model, and then is told his/her work "doesn't meet our standards"? Similarly, how interested would someone be in joining a group who quibbles about the definition of plastic? (Depends on what your definition of is, is.....) Again, we want to encourage people to have fun and participate, not demonstrate our expertise and knowledge of the rules. Jim -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: USS O'BANNON and Bikinis At the time of Kula Gulf, O'BANNON would have been wearing Measure 21, overall Navy Blue 5-N. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys http://www.shipcamouflage.com Still in sunny England. And since Shane is given to making such disparaging remarks, Caroline and I won't post the digital pics we shot of her in her bikini! So there!! Hi John, As if you were going to post them anyway!!!!! ;-ţ Anyway, a picture of the Mistress in her leatherware beats CC in a bikini anyday ;-> Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "Matthew Prager" Subject: Curator of Navy Ship Models Website Here is an interesting website, The U.S. Navy's Curator of Navy Ship Models. http://www.dt.navy.mil/cnsm/index.html Matt Prager -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "Matthew Prager" Subject: Re: LCMs I have a .gif file of the profile and deck arrangements of the LCM-8. If you are interested email me and I'll send it along. Matt Prager -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "J.Pasquill" Subject: Wanted ITC Schooner Atlantic kit Though they have yet to return a single email it appears that Glencoe has decided against re-releasing the old plastic Schooner Yacht Atlantic kit. the item has been pulled from their website and a delivery date is no longer offered dealers. Does anyone on the list have the original edition of this kit that they would want to sell? Jim -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Mark Shannon" Subject: Austin Model Show, Saturday, August 26, 2000 Just a slight warning for those who are intending to come to the show. The show will be in the Crockett Center, on Highway 290 near I-35. This morning's paper informs us here in the capital of the Great State of Texas that both highways at the I-35/290 intersection will be closed at 5:00pm Friday through the weekend to allow the main girders for the new interchange to be placed on the pillars crossing the highway decks. Traffic will be detoured onto the access roads and surface streets for about two miles in any direction. This will NOT prevent the show from going on, but it will make traffic in the area a bit tricky. One of the little twists that occurs when you have to line up the venue so far in advance. Mark Shannon -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume