Subject: SMML VOL 1007 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 00:24:35 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Principe de Asturias R-11 2: Re: Minimum Standards Be Damned 3: Picture Sources? 4: Re: London/GB 5: Re: My Big Project - progress report 6: Apology 7: Heller model of Bodasteinur deep sea fishing trawler 8: Richmond, VA Area shops?? 9: Snowberry or Bluebell? 10: Re: Snowberry corvette 11: Re: HMS Sheffield/"Stinkers" 12: Douglas Reeman 13: Re: Yamato turrets 14: Snowberry 15: Re: Illustrious, Pearl harbour ships 16: Yamato turrets 17: Re: Hunley 18: Ceramcoat 19: Principe de Asturias R-11 20: Landing Craft Support - Large (LCS(L)) Camouflage measures 21: Re: Slate Gray 22: USS Tico 23: Tarrant's KGV book 24: Kit manufacturers - New kit 25: Lindberg Stinkers 26: Re: Kursk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Kits for sale 2: GMM's upgraded 1/350 Titanic sets now ready 3: Royal Navy Camouflage, Volume 1 4: Naval Fiction? USS Hibiscus 5: White Ensign Models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Bergschöld Pelle Subject: Re: Principe de Asturias R-11 >> I'm looking for info (photos, plans, refits, colors, etc) about the Spanish Navy (Armada Española) light carrier Principe de Asturias (R-11) for a scratchbuilding project in 1/700. Any help? << Take a look at http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/asturias/index.html for some photos and technical info. Good luck! Pelle SWE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Gene Larson Subject: Re: Minimum Standards Be Damned Ned Barnett wrote in SMML 1003 (I'm a little late in reading backed up mail): >> I defy anyone to determine what is a "minimum standard." It's freakin' hard enough for a panel of judges to determine which model in a category is the best, second best, etc. (snip) how can ANYONE (even the panel of all the judges) set themselves up to say that no model in a category is worth getting an award? Can't be done. << The quinquennial (every 5 years) competition at The Mariners' Museum makes it work. If no model receives 96 percent of available points based upon very stringent standards for ship models, there is no Gold medal awarded. The same type of criteria applies for Silver and Bronze. This year, as in the past, some medals were not awarded, and this has been totally acceptable. Ned Barnett also wrote: >> However, to try to do so violates an implied contract - if you pay your money to enter, you have a chance to win an award... all you have to do is be among the top-three best in your category. That's the deal. Anything else is a breach of faith, and as the report on the Chicago convention showed, anything else only breeds ill will. << Not if, as at The Mariners' Museum competition, the entry rules clearly state the award process. Some competitions are merely a way of collecting "meaningless" awards. A Gold medal model at one competition might not even place at another. Gold, as well as the other awards, should have a standard criteria. Best of show awards cover the entered event. A gold medal in a local event should be darn close to a gold in a regional or national event, considering the nuances of judging. Gene Larson Alexandria, VA NRG Member Former Chairman of the Board of Directors -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Poore, Devin" Subject: Picture Sources? I am wondering if anyone knows of sources for pictures other than Floating Drydock? I've been through all of their catalogs, and am looking for some items that they don't have (and honestly probably don't exist); specifically USS Sterett at Guadalcanal at USS Astoria at Midway (yes, I have the CW New Orleans Class Cruisers book on order). I read somewhere that there used to be a place that specialized in selling photos of ships in combat, but I can't find the reference. Thank you, Devin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Kevin W. Woodruff" Subject: Re: London/GB Wolfgang: I would recommend a day trip the National Maritime Museum at Grenwich just outside London. You can get to it by taking the Underground to Greenwich. It is heaven for the ship modeller Kevin W. Woodruff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: DaveRiley1@aol.com Subject: Re: My Big Project - progress report Joe Poutre wrote: >> Scratchbuilding an AOR. This will be my first scratchbuild from the keel (or waterline) up, and I'm praying that someone out there will save me and create a 1/700 Wichita class AOR. PLEASE?! << I second the motion. Dave Riley ex - Chief Engineer USS Wabash (AOR-5) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Apology I just received an email taking me to task for a posting I made to the list the other day. A list member was looking for a source for the Iron Shipwright kit of USS HOLLAND. I simply wanted to let him know that my son sells that line of kits. In highlighting part of his email to make it make sense, it looked like I am taking advantage of another dealer who happens to be on vacation. I'm sorry, I did not mean it that way, I inadvertantly highlighted the wrong protion of the previous email (I seem to do that all the time). I'm sure that no dealer thinks it's terrible that another dealer sells the same line, that's business, but I appologise if I offended anyone. Cheers, Bob Santos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) Reply-To: "ERIC OLSON" Subject: Heller model of Bodasteinur deep sea fishing trawler Yesterday, I acquired a new Heller kit (No. 80608) in 1/200 scale of the deep sea fishing trawler, Bodasteinur. (I am attaching the English description of the ship that is included on the Heller instruction sheet for reference.) The following description is taken verbatim from the instruction sheet included in the Heller kit (No. 80608) in 1/200 scale of the deep sea fishing trawler, "Bodasteinur." >> ROC AMADOUR" was built in 1973 by "les Ateliers et Chantiers de la Manche" in Dieppe and fitted out at Lorient (LO 193680) by the Avry company. Designed and equipped at the time with the most up to date technology for deep sea fishing and fitted with pelagic shovels operating at great depths, she was classified as a fishing trawler "all to stern." On 20 December 1980 after being sold to a Faeroe Isles shipping company, Strenda Trolarafelag, the "ROC AMADOUR" left Lorient for Strendur, her new home port. For 5 years she fished the deep waters off the Faeroe Isles: red mullet, ELINGUE BLEUE*, halibut, etc. In 1986 she underwent a major refit in Norway-acquiring more modern equipment. At the end of 1992 following damage to machinery, she was stripped down and practically abandoned. Her current owners bought her in the Spring of 1994 and baptised her the BODASTEINUR, the name of their company. Her home port is now Fuglafjord. Since 1994 the BODASTEINUR has primarily fished in Mid Atlantic waters with average sea-going trips of 15 days. During the summer she may on occasion sail the Irming Sea, off the Greenland coast, and the Barents Sea. She has also fished around the Faeroes, but is known mainly as the only Faeroe Isles ship to have fished in international waters. Her biggest catch to date was 245 tonnes of beryx (a type of mullet) in four days. The fish was sold for 3.1 million FRF in February 1998, probably the highest sum ever paid in the Faeroes for a cargo of fresh fish. Crew 15 officers and men Overall length 53 metres (173.58 feet) Width excluding ribs 10.80 m (35.37 feet) Keel depth, laden 4.25 m (13.92 feet) Draught to stern, laden 5.10 m (16.70 feet) Propulsion ABC diesel engine, 1764 kW (1994) Energy Deutz generator, 800 kW Iveco generator, 90 kW Fuel 280 m3 Fresh water 30 m3 Fish hold capacity 500 m3 Refrigeration temperature 0 degrees C to +1 degrees C << Does anyone know where I can find some photos on the Internet of the actual Bodasteinur? Any leads would be helpful. Thanks in advance. Eric O.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com Subject: Richmond, VA Area shops?? Hi All, Will be vacationing in the Richmond, VA area over the long holiday(here in the States) weekend. Any good hobby shops or bookstores I should check out? Reply to the above as I am leaving Thursday PM. Have a good Labor Day all!!! Regards, John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com Subject: Snowberry or Bluebell? Hi All, I am a little confused....Which is the Revell 1/72nd Flower class kit more accurate for: Bluebell or Snowberry or is there another corvette that she is closer too. Any help is appreciated as I am getting ready to pick this up. Thanks. John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: David Parkins - djparkins@aol.com Subject: Re: Snowberry corvette Re Item 7 in SMML Vol. 1007 by Jean-Pierre Coddron on 'Snowberry corvette' Being the 'Gentleman from Flightpath', might I just correct one error in this piece. The 1/96th Flower Class released [together with the HMS Grey Goose Steam Gunboat] in the late 1970s were from a company called John Piper Models - NOTHING TO DO WITH ME! That said, I am now free to say that although not very successful financially for John Piper Models, they were, in my opinion, among the finest ship kits ever produced. I built both immediately upon their release and have not enjoyed buiding anything quite so much since. This piece also refers to a detail set for the Matchbox/Revell 72nd Flower Class that my own company produced between 1992-4. May I just mention that this set is now defunct in order to avoid any confusion between this product and the 19 new sets for the 72nd Flower that we will be releasing in October in our Great Little Ships range. Happy Modelling, David Parkins -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: HMS Sheffield/"Stinkers" Regarding camouflage and colours worn by SHEFFIELD, I'd also suggest contacting Dave Carter at White Ensign Models, who produce 1/700 and 1/350 kits of SHEFFIELD, and who have a lot of information on the ship. Regarding "Stinker" awards by IPMS, I second the motion, Rusty. I've long felt that there was merit in rewarding the effort required to turn one of these dogs into something worthwhile. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys http://www.shipcamouflage.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "sel4853" Subject: Douglas Reeman Hi there No, Douglas Reeman is not writing from beyond the grave. As far as I am aware he is still alive & kicking. It is well worth checking his excellant web site and it may be of interest to any other "smml'ers":--- http://www.tallshipsbooks.com/kent/ All the best fom the hop picking county (Kent UK) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: dlfowler@apple.com Subject: Re: Yamato turrets Hello Mike, I have built one each of the secondary and primary turrets of the Yamato in 1/200 scale. I am not completely finished yet but because of my other endevors (decals, USS Missouri displays, SMML Con 2001, and work) I have no plans for the near future to complete or reproduce them. Sorry. Regards, Duane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Snowberry Thanks to Jean-Pierre C. for his ideas on building the Matchbox/Revell corvette. A couple of comments - >> Last but not least, try to buy (if still available), in the Anatomy of the Ship series, Flower Class Corvette Agassiz. << I searched the Seven Seas for that one, and got it from a used bookstore in Detroit thanks to a tip from an SMMLer in the UK. Then I discovered a copy (only one!) for sale last month at the SACKVILLE gift shop in Halifax. Someone might want to hurry up and contact them regarding availability. >> I used all the bridge detail, armament, carley floats of Sirmar. Well, when I bought them, they were not of the best quality, but could be used and were a large improvement on the kit's offering. << They are of decidedly mixed quality due to the age of the molds, but overall are a lot better than the kit parts. >> Finally, try to simulate the rivetting. I did it withe a toothed wheels. Admittedly this makes holes rather than rivet bubbles, but when handpainting the hull, these holes retain a little more paint and form like a crater, which for me looked satisfactory. << The toothed wheels (also known as pounce wheels or pounce tools), come in different sizes and can be ordered from good art and craft supply dealers. Running a pounce wheel along a thin piece of plastic card, and then cutting the simulated rivet panel and glueing it in place on the hull seam, is far easier than trying to add individual rivets (believe me, I started to do it using a pin vise and miniature brass model railroad nails!), which on a model this big -- at best -- will drive one to drink VERY heavily. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Chris Preston" Subject: Re: Illustrious, Pearl harbour ships Hi Everyone, For the fellow modeller who is seeking information on HMS ILLUSTRIOUS (WWII), as modelled by Heller, in addition to the other references listed by John Werler, there is also"The Anatomy of the Ship - The Aircraft Carrier VICTORIOUS" by Ross Watton, and was published by the Naval Institute Press, ISBN 1-55750-026-6. This book is an excellent source of detailed information, and includes details on the Admiralty Disruptive Camouflage, and British Pacific Fleet colours. As for photo-etched details and radar, etc., Tom's Modelworks recently released a set for the KING GEORGE V, and PRINCE of WALES, in both 1/350 and 1/400 scales. These sets include the antenna arrays for the following radars: 1. Radar Type 279 2. Radar Type 281 3. Radar Type 282 4. Radar Type 285 5. Radar Type 277 6. Radar Type 291 The sets also contain the following antenna arrays for various HF, TBS, and jamming antennas: 1. MF/DF 2. VHF DF 3. Type 242M As well as Main Battery Director Radar arrays, and other details for the KGV and PoW. The set does not have the hinged lattice type WT transmitting masts, as fitted along the flight-deck edge. If you are still needing details for the ILLUSTRIOUS, let me know what you need, and I'll check my references. For Mike Connelly, I've been interested in Pearl Harbor for some time now, and have acquired all but 3 of the ships (destroyers) of Kido Beta. As far as I can tell, there were 31 ships in the actual strike force, and all the major combatants, and/or their class of ship are modelled. Additionally, I've also collected some excellent reference books from Japan, on IJN Carriers, BB's CA's and DD's, as well as for the 3 main types of aircraft involved in the action.(Courtesy of Pacific Front Hobbies, and fellow modellers in Japan). The ships are in 1/700 scale, and the aircraft are in 1/48th scale. Count me in as interested. I don't know about the Nats next year, but if the next SMML convention is in San Francisco in 2001, I'm planning to come down for it. But, am I interested - Yes. Shane and Lorna, I can't speak for other members on the list, but I personally will go into withdrawal while you're on holiday, but - have a good one. You've earned it, just for running this list. Cheers, Chris Preston. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Mike Connelley Subject: Yamato turrets Howdy: Regarding the Yamato turrets, I decided to take a smaller bite (but still a big one) and do the Tamiya 1/350 Yamato right, that is I'm changing everything to be accurate to the Skulski book. Once I get some $, I'll try and get a few Gakken books for additional info. The Nichimo and Tamiya Yamato kits tend to have the same things wrong in more or less the same way. I modified the 1/350 main and secondary turrets already, and I scratchbuilt a 1/200 main turret but that's not good enough. Without too much trouble, I could modify the 1/200 turrets. I just have to learn how to do resin casting (never tried that before!). Needless to say, that'll take some time even if I get hopping on it tonight, not just to get the main shapes but also to add details like the periscopes and steps, etc. Another thing is that I've started grad school not, so my modeling time has dropped like a rock. Now, I really REALLY want to get some casting done since I've modified the 1/350 turrets, superstructure base and I'm about 1/3 done with with tower bridge. So, tell me what kind of timescale you want to the turrets in and we can work this out. Cheers Mike Connelley -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Hunley >> Is it true that while cleaning the Hunley, they've discovered a "Reelect Strom Thurmond" bumper sticker? << Yes, I understand that it was partially stuck over a dump Robert Byrd poster :-) Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Marc Flake Subject: Ceramcoat For those on this list who aren't subscribers to the WWI list, I thought I'd pass along some news regarding Ceramcoat paints. First off, go to this site http://www.art2art.com/Products/ProductSpecific.cfm?ProductGroupID=5428&Prod and click on "Colors/Styles." You will see all the Ceramcoat paints. Each monitor will have it's own version, but you'll get a good idea of what they have. Then look at the prices: a dollar for 2 oz. That's 30 ml or twice as much as Polly Scale or Testors. A fellow on the list has been testing these paints. He advises using an enamel primer to keep the paint from lifting off during masking. But he also noted that the Ceramcoat Matt Varnish is a god substitute for an enamel primer. He also suggests using Future to thin. He said airbrushing is very good and without the clogs you get with some acrylics. I'm planning on taking my Short and Snyder sheets down to my local Hobby Lobby and start matching and buying paints. Marc (In hot & dry Texas, where the grass has gone beyond brown to a light buff) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: James Corley Subject: Principe de Asturias R-11 From: Cataldo Torelli >> I'm looking for info (photos, plans, refits, colors, etc) about the Spanish Navy (Armada Española) light carrier Principe de Asturias (R-11) for a scratchbuilding project in 1/700. Any help? << You might want to try to find an interesting book I picked up in Mardid in 95: Los Portaaviones Espanoles Camil Busquets, Albert Campanera and Juan Luis Coello Agualrga Editores Pol. Ind. de Vallecas C/I, 5 -5.0. Nave 27 Edificio Valencia, 28031 Madrid ISBN 84-88959-02-8 Deposito Legal: M-18550-1994 I purchased the book at casa del Libro near Colombus Plaza in downtown. The book is an excellent hardback with 180 photo packed pages or so of the history of the aviation vessel of the Armada., the first and second Dedalo and the Principe de Asturias. The text is in Spanish (Yo hablo espanol muy pico) but interesting parts I can't figure out are translated by my Cuban sister-in-law. Good Luck, the book is worthwhile -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Ed Grune Subject: Landing Craft Support - Large (LCS(L)) Camouflage measures Hello SMMLies. I've written a similar question to the Warship Message Board and the Camouflage Message Board and have drawn no responses. I guess I'll cast my line here and see If I have better luck. I'm working on an ISW LCS(L) in the late-'44 to '45 time frame. I'm interested in one of the dedicated camo measures designed for the class; either 31/20L (Tropical Greens, Tropical Brown, Black), Ms 32/19L (Medium Disruptive Pattern - False Hull) or 33/14L (Light Disruptive Pattern - Swirls). I've gotten information from the LCS Veterans Association that seems to indicate that the colors on the latter two patterns may have had green substitutes for the standard Blue-Violet colors. The historian of the LCS Veterans included a copy of the Del Parmieri articles from 1981 Scale Models that definitely supports the Tropical Greens & Brown for Ms 31/20L. On my first reading of the Del Palmieri article, it seemed to me that the late-war amphibious measures had green substitutions. On later readings, I'm not too sure if the Medium and Light measures identified as being on the LCS(L)s really did have green substitutions for the blue-violets. Does anybody on the list have any information that could shed some light on possible color substitutions for these camo measures - late Pacific war. My chief photo reference source is the section of NavPhoto that covers the LCS(L)s. The LCS Veterans provided a wealth of photographic reference material to NavPhoto. They're to be commended fort their efforts. Since Shane is going on Holiday, contact me direct at the above email address. Regards Ed Mansfield, TX ps. Shane, have a good holiday and come back all rested. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "Duane_C" Subject: Re: Slate Gray I have seen references to the USN using a Slate Gray color from the 1870's on. It has been described as a "greenish gray" and was probably the gray known as the War-color during the white & buff period of the new navy (1883-1909). I think the Gray on the Pennsylvania model might be too dark. The old films often made anything with a green component look darker in the black & white photos. Our paint & photo experts could hopefully shed some light on this. Duane C. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "JAmes McCormick" Subject: USS Tico Hello all, I am setting up for my fall building project, and have decided upon a Tico class cruiser, probably Lake Erie. I have the DML 350th kit, and am currently debating between Rusty's and Loren's Brass kits(please, I'll make that choice when I get to it). What I want to know is: are there any online sources on building the kit? Anyone have any insight as to what to watch out for? I'd appreciate any and all feedback. Thanks, and Shane and Lorna- have a wonderful vacation! Jim McCormick -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: Gmshoda@cs.com Subject: Tarrant's KGV book Can anyone provide information about V. E. Tarrant's "King George V Class Battleships?" I am particularly interested in the nature of its pictorial content. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: Bergschöld Pelle Subject: Kit manufacturers - New kit Caroline, Rusty, Joe D'Amato and others not named.. As there isn't and never have been anyone making a kit representing a ship of the Royal Swedish Navy, but there anyway is a growing interest in naval items in this country, may I ask for an estimation about what amount of preorders that are needed to make it financially feasible to design and manufacture a brand new kit? My question is really how many kits I would have to find buyers for to get someone to make a kit like the destroyer class Halland, or the cruiser class Tre Kronor. Scale would preferrably be 1/700, and the length-over-all x beam of the completed models would be for the destroyers some 173x18mm (121x12.6m fullscale) and for the cruisers about 260x24mm (182x16.7m fullscale). I am aware that Sweden is a small market, but these two classes have also been sold abroad, the Halland-class slightly modified to Colombia, and the Tre Kronor-class to Chile. Hopefully, that could add a few customers though I realize that these kits hardly will sell as well as a "Titanic"... Now, please understand that I am not getting at an exact total, but just a hint to see whether it is possible at all. TIA BR Pelle SWE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "Pletscher-Lenz-Schneider" Subject: Lindberg Stinkers Hey guys! Don't you always run down those Lindberg CLEVELANDs! It was one of them which was my first ship model (and my first model at all). I guess it was the 1 ft version. I got it as a gift from my uncle in the early 1960s and was very impressed when I launched it in the bath tube. Well, in hindsight it was a horrible model. But it brought me to ship model building, and in this aspect, I do owe Lindberg a hell of a lot (imagine I would have got a tank or an airplane as my first model ... arrrgh). So please show a little more respect ;-) Falk Pletscher -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: "Arjun Sarup" Subject: Re: Kursk >> I'd bet that A.D. Baker II, "A Naval Expert" has never even been in a submarine torpedo room. << Sorry, but I think this is getting personal. Bash any SMML topic to bits, but please refrain from making comments about people whom you don't know. I'd also safely bet that that "Naval Expert" probably knows more about matters of nautical interest than most of us on SMML. In all fairness, I believe the hon. gentleman concerned should withdraw his statement. Regards, Arjun Sarup Mauritius -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Satin, Michael N. (LNG-SHEP)" Subject: Kits for sale I am liquidating some of my inventory. The following kits are for sale, most with some documentation/reference material. The prices listed are retail from a reputable site on the internet but aren't necessarily what I need, so e-mail me with an offer and for further details. I want to sell them off soon, so please get hold of me as soon as you can if you're interested. All are unstarted and complete, all are full hull. CW 1/350 Washington $295 BWN 1/350 Massachusetts $375 IS 1/350 Tenn/Calif (1944) $285 IS 1/350 Nelson/Rodney (some sanding) $385 Tamiya 1/350 Yamato $53 GMM 1/350 Yamato set $36 Heller 1/400 Illustrious oop/rare? Hasegawa 1/450 Akagi $40 GMM 1/500 IJN Carrier $20 Drop me an e-mail if you want to know more and/or with an offer. Michael -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Loren Perry Subject: GMM's upgraded 1/350 Titanic sets now ready Gold Medal Models has just released the upgraded No. 350-3 1/350 scale Merchant Ship (Titanic/Lusitania) set and the No. 350-15 Gold PLUS Titanic/Lusitania detail set. For more details, see the What's New section on the GMM webpage: www.goldmm.com Scroll towards the bottom of the What's New page to see the Titanic-related information. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Royal Navy Camouflage, Volume 1 Snyder & Short are now taking orders for Royal Navy Camouflage, Volume 1, from WR Press. Price will be $16, plus $2 shipping/handling (California residents add 7.75% sales tax). Don't forget that we are also now carrying the full line of books from Classic Warships as well. Visit our website for updates and order forms. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys http://www.shipcamouflage.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: WVeigele@aol.com Subject: Naval Fiction? USS Hibiscus Shirley Sachsen, You are right that Reeman's book "Path of the Storm" is a good read. It is about the particular WWII subchaser type designated PC Patrol Craft. You may learn more about these ships including many photographs and engineering details, that can be used by modelers, from the book "PC Patrol Craft of World War II -- A History of the Ships and Their Crews." See www.astralpublishing.com for a link and details. Commander Series models issued a small model kit and will soon issue a larger model kit of PC 461, the most typical PC. Not many models of PCs have been made. Bill Veigele -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "WEM" Subject: White Ensign Models Hi Guys, Back to work in some order now.. long time no post John Snyder's back in Sacramento until October :^( when he's back over with Duane Fowler for the UK IPMS Nationals. Look forward to seeing a LOT of you there. In fact, how's about I start to assemble a list of SMMLlies and their friends/club/IPMS members who will be visiting Telford, and post them, either on the WEM site, or pass the list on to Mike Dunn, for posting on the SMML site? OK, yes... start sending names to me, please. Apols re continuing delays ... the packer's off again this week. **NEWS!**Arriving VERY shortly.. probably 7 to 10 days, a brand new photoetched brass detail set for the AIRFIX 1/600 MOSKVA kit. Price 11.08 Pounds, post free, direct from us at WEM. Taking orders now. Stunning job done by Peter Hall, of Atlantic Models and.. Sitting here right now.. the pattern for the 1/350 KNOX CLASS FRIGATE from Peter Hall ... watch out for this kit's release. Just in ... new 1/350 Scale kit: WEM K 3550 1/350 HMS TRAFALGAR 2000, nuclear submarine. Kit is stunningly cast resin, with some of the nicest and finest white metal you've ever seen, and photoetched brass details. Full and comprehensive assembly instructions are included as usual. Price: 31.45 Pounds (approx $47.00), post free worldwide. Also available through the usual dealers. Also released at last, WEM K 741 1/700 PT-109. 2 kits in a bag, with 2 good size photoetched brass sheets. You have to see these to believe it.. the pattern is about an inch and a quarter long, based on Al Ross's drawings (who will definitely need his glasses for this one :^)) .. Brian Fawcett fashioned over 120 individual parts to pattern the master, which means it carries more detail than the Revell 1/72 PT-109! Price? 9.32 Pounds (just under $15.00) the two, post free worldwide. Ready to ship right now! Re the 1/350 KONIG/GROSSER KURFURST photoetched brass set PE 3517, and PE 625 1/600 Modern RN Set Two, after BIG software probs. at the company who do the phototools for us, it's now being etched and shipping should begin within the week. LOTS of sets to ship.. this is the only set on the market to include the torpedo net shelf by the way, and is priced at 18.68 Pounds ($26.00) ... for now! Orders to me if you haven't got yours in already. Thanks! Caroline Carter White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/ and Shane, Lorna, have a great vacation.. you guys certainly need it! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume