Subject: SMML VOL 1013
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:50:30 +1000

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MODELLERS INDEX

1: H M S Attacker
2: Sea Shadow
3: Re: Revell USS Forrest Sherman(H-463)
4: Re: Benson Class kit
5: Re: Chinese Steamships
6: Re: USS MASSACHUSETTS & Cage Masts
7: Re: Tre Koner/Gota Legon
8: Tamiya 1/350 USS Essex??
9: Re: PLAGUE In our Movie Theaters!
10: Navires et Histoire
11: Pasted-Up USN G.A. Plans Booklets
12: September Model Ship Journal
13: Re: Indiana Class
14: Navalized RAH-66 
15: 1942 Warspite Colo(u)rs
16: Skytrex 1/700 WWII Kits
17: Re: PLAGUE In our Movie Theaters!
18: Re: Challenged by Scale <g>
19: Re: Pearl Harbor movie
20: Re: 1/550 photo etch and copying model kits
21: 1/700-scale RAH-66 Commanche
22: MORE ON "PEARL HARBOUR"
23: Re: Ship Kits in 1/72
24: Re: Benson Class Kit
25: All comments on Pearl Harbor movie
26: 1/72 Kit List
27: Three things
28: Re purchase of 1:72 scale kits
29: Task Force72
30: After-market accessories needed
31: USS Chester
32: 1/72 ships/boats
33: kit list
34: 1/700th H.M.A.S. SYDNEY
35: Russian Models
36: Submarine for drug running
37: Dragon Kidd
38: "Future" Aerosol
39: Tre Kronor Class and other swedish vessels
40: Re: Revell USS Forrest Sherman(H-463)
41: Re: tonnes of paint

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TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX

1: Plans for sale
2: 1/570 Revell North Carolina
3: Zengdefu Models at The Naval Base
4: Custom fiberglass hulls
5: Warship Pictorial's #9 & #10

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MODELLERS

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From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com
Subject: H M S Attacker

 I am looking for views that show the deck camouflage of the escort carrier Attacker as in 1942-43. Any help would be appreciated.
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From: Tom Eisenhour <eisen@swbell.net>
Subject: Sea Shadow

 Shane wrote:

>> That would be the USS <?> Sea Shadow. Revell did a 1/144 kit of her a few years back. She is stealth ship & iirc the only one of her class. <<

 Lockheed Martin has photos of the Sea Shadow on their web site. Go to:

 http://lmms.external.lmco.com/newsbureau/seashadowarchive.html

 Do you think the ship bears a strange resemblance to the CSS Virginia?

 Cheers,
 Tom Eisenhour
 Austin, Texas
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From: James Corley <jdcorley@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Revell USS Forrest Sherman(H-463)

>> I have a (revell) model kit of the USS Forrest Sherman(H-463).Hull length 153/4in,it does not tell me the scale.I want to get scale fittings for it but I do not know  which one to buy, can you please help me, buy letting me know the scale and where to get them. <<

 Harold,

 This kit scale out at close to 1/320. You would probably be best served by using a set of 1/350 Destroyer railings & fittings, but they would be about 9% too small. There are 3 sets I know of from: Loren at GMM, Toms Modelworks and Rusty's Flagship Models sets. Pick a set closest to the time depending on when you want to model it. An As-built configuration, you would need to have an SPS-6 & SPS-10 radar sets,  plus the appropriate length of 2-bar & 3-bar rails. The other details could be faked from whichever set you buy.

 Hope I helped.

 JZ
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From: James Corley <jdcorley@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Benson Class kit

>> Reilly's US Destroyers of WW-II says the Bensons were produced in five blocks (five sets of sequential hull numbers) and DD617 was the last. Research should be needed, as this hull was in production after the first Fletchers were already in combat, so some updates over first-run Bensons make sense (as speculation). Reilly notes (for instance) on P.61 that late-run Benson/Gleaves class ships had a redesigned bridge and a lowered Mk. 37 Gun Director. <<

 Reilly is inaccurate on many counts, there were 96 ships of the Benson/Livermore/Bristol/Aaron Ward/Bancroft/Stevenson types of destroyers. Yes, I have seen each "block" refereed to as its own class, due to slight variations in design I suppose, but Benson/Livermore is the usual designation. Fahey's War Edition (1942) of Ships & Aircraft of the US Fleet lists the first 24 boats as Benson/Livermore, with the other 72 as the Bristol type of 1940-41, the 1944 Second War Edition repeats this whilst the 1945 Victory Edition calls for 32 Bensons and 64 Livermores.

 In any event the last Benson/Livermore was USS Turner DD-648.

 If Reilly was going by Fahey then there were 32 Bensons in 4 production blocks (DDs 421-428, 459-460,491-492,598-617) and Ordronaux would have been the last. The US Navy let 8 contracts for this type from 1937 to 1941, and the basic difference between the two main groups is the primary yard and the use of their own preferred suppliers. The Benson class was originally a Quincy design, while the Livermore was a BIW design.
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From: Kerry Jang <kjang@unixg.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: Chinese Steamships

 Ned,

 The Ting Yuen and Chen Yuen where built by the Germans in Stettin (now part of Poland) for the Chinese Navy.  They are sisters to the Saschen Class warships. The Wisemeyer plan range contains the ebst set of drawings of the Saschen class (drawn by Dirk Nottleman), but the tupper works are completely diffeent between the German and Chinese sisters. The ships were commissioned by Li Hung CHang, the famous Chinese statesman who burned the British opium in Canton to stop the illegal imporation of the substance to China, that sparked the "Opium War", China's greatest shame....

 Some years ago I wrote a little piece on the primary Chinese ships at the Battle of the Yalu River. It was publihsed in Plastic Ship Modeller. Andreas von Mach did a good history of the ship for Model Shipwright; Warship International (#1, 1974) did a good overall pictorial history of the Chinese Steam Navy. Fred Jane's, "The Imperial Japanese Navy" has a contemorary account of the Battle of the Yalu (quite a balacned narritive); and more recently, the opening chapters of "Kaigun" by Evans and Peattie, have a Japanese account of the battle.

 I have been researchung the ships for several years, and have found several unpublished photos of the ships that my friend, John Tennier (along with many helpful people around he globe!) has been using to put togther an accurate set of scale drawings of the "Ting Yuen". We are nearly there....

 By the way, I was in Vancouver's Chinatown last weekend and in the Chinese video store, I found the old movie "The 1894 War", a movie version of this famous battle! Very melodramatic, generally innacurate and full of propoganda and Chinese flag waving. Sounds kinda like the new Pearl Harbour movie...  nevertheless, the uniforms are correct and its very entertaining (if you understand Chinese).

 Hope this helps,

 Kerry
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From: SantMin@aol.com
Subject: Re: USS MASSACHUSETTS & Cage Masts

>> Queries about Indiana Class Battle Ships [i.e.] USS Massachusetts, at what time in their lives did they change over to cagemast? and what would one recommend, using to show that detail? in 1\225 scale, with all other PE kits out there Has anyone come up a set in that scale yet? <<

 She got her cage mast in her 1910 refit. The most likely reason you don't see a P.E. cage mast is that a real cage mast is not a cone, it is a stretched out hour-glass shape. I explained how to make a cage mast in that scale in Fine Scale Modeler, July 1992. That issue is out of print but they reran the article in their (Kalmbach Publishing) book "Scale Model Detailing" which is still available. The Smithsonian had a great set of drawings of her as of her 1910 refit.

 Cheers,

 Bob Santos
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From: "feed" <feed@entelchile.net>
Subject: Re: Tre Koner/Gota Legon

 Add my name to those of Pelle and Roberto regarding a possible TRE KRONOR/GOTA LEJON cruiser model in 1:700.

 I am also interested in The Cruiser Gota Lejon but in 1:400 or 1:350 scale

 Regards
 FEED
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From: Keith T Bender <kbender01@juno.com>
Subject: Tamiya 1/350 USS Essex??

 Can anyone shed light on the scuttlebutt I keep hearing about a Tamiya 1:350 Essex class CV.  Almost every model show I go to this comes up. I think Tamiya should make it happen in a long hull and short hull too. Look how well they did with their Missouri and New Jersey using the same hull and allot of the same parts. I myself have bought 5 MOs and 2 NJs and that is just one modeler.

 So Tamiya if your listening lets get going here. We don't want to hear about tooling cost because you would probably come clean in no time at all with a Essex kit in 1:350.

 Thank you,
 KTB

 Hi Keith,

 AFAIK, the 1/350 Essex is just that - a rumour. But having said that, with Tamiya you never know what they may do.

 Shane
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From: "RON" <RS45@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: PLAGUE In our Movie Theaters!

 Bill is now my new spritiual leader. I too have lived with the guilt and shame of attending what I thought were the great war movies. But I have not had a good nights sleep since I noticed the glaring ommission of the "Boeing" logo in the control column of Gregory Peck's B-17 in "Twelve O'Clock High". I had to watch my copy of "Enemy Below" in the garage at midnight lest my grandchildren would be traumatized by the interior scenes of the U-boat. Can you imagine my shock when "The Bridges of Toko-Ri" had Panthers instead of Banshees.

 Bill is right the movies should be all about correct rust streaks, funnel caps and scuppers. And we should all point fingers at our parents for not saving the "Enterprise" so the movie makers would at least have the correct CV type for the movies.
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From: "larsenal" <larsenal@mail.cpod.fr>
Subject: Navires et Histoire

 If my information is correct (I think it is...), the N° 1 issue of Navires et Histoire is now out of print.

 Best regards,
 Jacques Druel
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From: "Victor M. Baca" <modelships@earthlink.net>
Subject: Pasted-Up USN G.A. Plans Booklets

 Back in the early1980s, the U.S. Naval Sea Systems Command sent me a set of general arrangement plans for the Dealey class escort USS Courtney (DE-1021) as she appeared in 1970. She's a beautiful ship, but these old plans came in a pasted-up booklet form rather than the usual separate sheet format. I'm not sure what type of glue was used to hold the blueprint booklet of 1/8"=1' scale plans together, but it has held up well over the past 15 years or so since I've had them.

 Each year, I manage to gently pull the plans apart a little more, and at this rate, they should be completely separated by 2025 or so. I'd like to speed up the process of separating the plans so they can be copied and preserved and am hoping other SMMLies may have some experience in handling this type of plan set. The glue appears to be possibly a "white glue" type as the paper is still in good condition and has not discolored as I would expect if they used something like LePage's glue.

 The Courtney was one of the most beautiful of the Dealey class ships and I'd like to take my model past the completed hull stage, which can't be done until I get the pages separated and copied. Any suggestions?

 Victor Baca
 Model Ship Journal
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From: SteveWiper@aol.com
Subject: September Model Ship Journal

 I just received my copy of the Sept. Model Ship Journal. I wanted to say what a great job the editor, Victor Baca has done with the production. I am a contributor to this journal, but the rest is from Victor and other contributors. The layout and production are all Victors work, and it really is shaping up to be a great magazine. The photo reproduction is as good as what I strive for in my own publications. I am a real stickler for good photo reproduction. I think that a book or magazine is a waste of time if the photo or drawing reproduction is bad, no matter how good the textual information may be. Victor has done a much better job than what I have seen from other publications, both from the USA and other countries. 

 The subject matter contained within each of the first two issue's covers many area's of ship modeling and visual information on real ships, so everyone will hopefully get something out of it. I think this journal could turn into a very serious reference source for ship historians and ship modelers alike. If you have not subscribed, I would strongly recommend so. Model Ship Journal can be found on the net @ www.modelshipjournal.com. Try it. I think you will like it.

 Steve Wiper
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From: "Kevin W. Woodruff" <cierpke@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Indiana Class

 Bruce:

 I've done a little research on the Indiana class and the Oregon has her military  mainmast replaced by a cagemast during an extensive refit when she was out of commission between 1906 - 1911. the Masschusetts got her cage mast in 1909 and the Indiana got her cage mast in either 1910 or 1911. There was fine article by Bob Santos in FineScale Modeler in which he builds the Massachusetts using the Glencoe USS Oregon kit. In the article he scratchbuilds the cage mast using wire in a fairly simple operation 

 Sources:

 Battleship Oregon by Bert Webber
 U.S. Warships of World War I by Paul Silverstone

 Kevin
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From: "Ralph & Karen Batykefer" <rkbatykefer@maranatha.net>
Subject: Navalized RAH-66 

 Ned asked,

>> 1/700 helicopter with a Fenestron (rear rotor in a circular mount - like the French-built Coast Guard helicopters also used - I think - by the PRC navy). Or any helicopters in 1/700. <<

 If you check with White Ensign, they have a Daulphin helocopter to be released that has a ducted tail rotor. I'm not sure of the release date... ask Caroline. I'd be interested in that surfboard information too.

 IHS,
 Ralph
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From: "James Kloek" <jkloek1@rochester.rr.com>
Subject: 1942 Warspite Colo(u)rs

 I am about to start building theWEM 1/700 Warspite. The instructions call for natural teak decks and a camouflage scheme of two RN grays. But I have seen elsewhere the opinion that since Warspite was refitted at a USN yard, she was in standard US colors (Haze Gray and Ocean Gray?) and her decks were stained Deck Blue.   

 Anybody have any ideas about which it was?
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From: Sanartjam@aol.com
Subject: Skytrex 1/700 WWII Kits

 Hi,

 The other day I saw an ad in the latest Fine Scale Modeler for a metal 1/700 Black Prince (the modified Dido) from Skytrex, with the suggestion that there were more ships to be had in that scale. I then checked www.skytrex.com, and it promised a number of WWII ships in that scale, including an Ajax, a Norfolk, a Scylla or Charybdis, and a Dido (I think). Does anyone have an opinion of the Skytrex Black Prince?  It seems like someone (a competitor perchance?) had once suggested that it was not very good and was more like 1/660 than 1/700, but I would like to know if others have an opinion of it.

 Thanks,

 Art Nicholson
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From: "John Snyder" <jsnyder@macnexus.org>
Subject: Re: PLAGUE In our Movie Theaters!

>> If you are concerned, if you care deeply about the future of our country and our children, I urge to think about these things. Feel free to make a print-out of this letter, circulate it among your neighbors, give a copy to your pastor, leave some in the head at work.

 It's time modelers got a good night's sleep.

 Bill Gruner
 Pacific Front Hobbies <<
 
>> Hi Bill,

 ROTFLOSAO.

 Shane & Mistress Lorna <<

 Oh sure, you Ozzies never take ANYTHING seriously!! Go off on holiday and leave the worries of modeldom and mankind draped heavily on poor Bill's shoulders. Look what it's done to him. This could be a crisis more grave than Y2K. Well, just remember, we send our films worldwide. Your time is coming! Prepare while you can...

 John Snyder
 Snyder & Short Enterprises
 The Paint Guys
 http://www.shipcamouflage.com

 Hi John,

 Well, what can one say, except guilty as charged M'Lord. But since we don't take anything seriously, it doesn't matter what you say ;-). We'll leave you to cater to the worries of Modeldom & mankind, that way, you can give Bill a rest & let him get back to business ;-).

 Shane
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From: Christopher Crofoot <crofoot@northnet.net>
Subject: Re: Challenged by Scale <g>

>> Yesterday's request for 1/350th scale Commanche helicopters SHOULD have read 1/700 - I guess I'm twice as excited about this ship I'm building <g> ... so, I need two 1/700-scale RAH-66 Commanche stealth helicopters. OR, I need any 1/700 helicopter with a Fenestron (rear rotor in a circular mount - like the French-built Coast Guard helicopters also used - I think - by the PRC navy). Or any helicopters in 1/700.

 Any suggestions? <<

 Ned,

 I happen to be playing with the same concept...DD21.  I based mine on an OH Perry hull since it's supposed to be replacing the Perry and Spruance class when they arrive. I opted for the conventional hull with stealth characteristic superstructure just because no self respecting Squidie would want to put to see on a surf board. I'm just going to use a Crashhawk -60 figuring that they'll probably still be in service in another 10 years. One question...Are you going with PE? I think putting it on will destroy the clean lines of the ship so I haven't decided.

 Chris Crofoot

 "Quemadmoeum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est"
 A sword is never a killer, it is a tool in the killer's hands.
 -----Seneca,  45 AD
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From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pearl Harbor movie

 I have to agree with what I've been reading here. If I want technical and historical accuracy, I'll tune in to the Discovery, Learning, or History channel. I go to a movie to be entertained, not informed.  

 I want to turn off my brain, watch some action, and lots of stuff blowing up in THX surround sound and enjoy the hell out of myself.

 Rusty White
 Flagship Models Inc.
 http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ 
 "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs"
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From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1/550 photo etch and copying model kits

>> I recently bought a Trumpeter kit in 1:550 scale of the Russian carrier Minsk. I know there is no photoetched railing in this scale but would 1:600 scale railing be OK rather than oversizing with 1:400? <<

  You have a real problem here. The differences between 1/550 and 1/600 are substantial and the difference would be noticed by anyone with an eye for scale. One a similar note, has anyone got a good look at the Trumpeter kits? I saw one at the Nationals and it looked just like a panagraphed kit. Panagraphing kits is copying a kit line for line to a larger or smaller scale using what is called a Paragraph (I think that's what they call it).  

 Panagraphing kits has the same problems a blowing up photo too large.  Larger details come out looking just fine while very small details tend to blur. The kit I saw at the Nats looked just like that. The overall details of the hull and superstructure looked okay but small items such as the aircraft looked like crap!

 I know China (where Trumpeter kits are made) is notorious for copying everything from computer programs, Levi's jeans to Jeep Cherokees. Could the Trumpeter kits be panagraphs of existing Tamiya and Hasegawa releases? A company called Lee (from what I understand is a Trumpeter company) recently release a Perry class frigate kit is 1/300 scale (I think it was 1/300 scale). Could this be Panagraph of the Skywave release? Just a thought.

 Rusty White
 Flagship Models Inc.
 http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ 
 "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs"
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From: buesears <buesears@gateway.net>
Subject: 1/700-scale RAH-66 Commanche

 Ned,

 I've tied to make my own Comanches in 1/700 but I found the angular lines are too tough for that a/c in that scale, and the tail rotor is especially tough.  So I've been biding time for WEM (or perhaps Pit Road in white metal) to release their version. [Carolyn are you listening?!! :)  ]

 If you seek the challenge, however, try using .010" sheet styrene glued together to form layers for the fuselage and then carve and layer sheets for the tailrotor.

 John Sears
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From: "DUCKMAN" <REBELNED@ISLC.NET>
Subject: MORE ON "PEARL HARBOUR"

 PLEASE ALLOW ME TO ADD ONE MORE OPINION ON THE ABOVE.

 FICTIONALIZED MOVIES ARE GREAT TO WATCH AS LONG AS WE REMEMBER THAT THEY ARE FICTION.
  
 IT IS THEN UP TO US AS PARENTS, AND GRANDPARENTS, TO BE SURE OUR YOUNGSTERS KNOW THE TRUTH. FICTION CAN BECOME REVISION, WITH THE RESULTING LOSS OF FACT, IN ONE OR TWO GENERATIONS. ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO WATCH AND READ THIS TYPE OF ENTERTAINMENT, THEN STEER THEM IN THE DIRECTION OF SOME GOOD FACTUAL MATERIAL. AND YES, MAKE SURE THE "FACTUAL MATERIAL" COMES FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE CONFLICT.

 J. D.  NEDRESKI
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From: " " <jbklb@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Ship Kits in 1/72

 I have several old Lindberg kits, a couple which aren't "too bad" that may fit the bill for someone needing these as a starting point. They are as follows:

 #7224 Shrimp Boat in 1/60?
 #7221 Diesel Tug in 1/82?
 #7222 North Atlantic Fishing Trawler (no scale given, but "around" 1/72)
 #7220 Tuna Clipper (no scale given, but "around" 1/72)
 #7209M U.S.C.G. Coastal Patrol Boat in 1/72 (or so?) In addition, I also have the Glencoe kit:
 #7301 1/74 scale World War I Subchaser

 All are basic kits, and in this scale, much could be done to improve the details. Quite a bit of the details could be had from a modeler's spare parts bin, IF you have build a few 1/72 scale armor or aircraft kits.

 Thought I'd put in my 2 cents worth.

 Loren Pike
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From: Denis & Marilyn Campbell <DENMARAVON@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Benson Class Kit

 Thanks to all who answered my plea for a kit of this class of destroyer.

 And, to John Sheridan's remark "I find it interesting that you are willing to scratchbuild a ship but not build a resin kit" - right after I punched the 'send' button on that e-mail I said to myself, "what, are you Crazy!?". I did say I shudder at the thought :>)

 Ned Barnett's post telling me that DD617 was the last of the Bensons was very interesting - and will spur me to some more research. I do know that the shear line of the fletchers was not the same as the bensons - the Fletchers had a more or less straight shear bow to stern wheras the Bensons was raised at the bow and dropped to mail deck level aroung midships. 

 Thank you all for the help.

 Denis Campbell
 Avon MA
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From: Denis & Marilyn Campbell <DENMARAVON@compuserve.com>
Subject: All comments on Pearl Harbor movie

 Ned hit the nail on the head the main priority in movie making is to make money (the more the better) and to do that it must be entertaining - to the largest possible audience. Personally, I found Top Gun and Armageddon very entertaining.

 However, I must agree with Bill Gruner. Hollywood must be made to adhere to (our) rating standards, as one or two of our politicians have been trumpeting lately but - like those same pols said - we will not impose censorship on them. Now, with that said, I wonder if the stars and producers will throw millions into our campaign too

 And Shane, how dare you say something like ROTFLOSAO in this gentlemanly (and ladylike too) forum? - What the h... is that anyway?

 Denis Campbell
 Avon MA

 Hi Denis,

 ROTFLOSAO is an extension of ROTLMSAO, which comes from ROTFL (rolling on the floor laughing). I think you now may be able to guess the rest ;-).

 Shane
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From: "Mike Kear" <mkear@healey.com.au>
Subject: 1/72 Kit List

 From: "MJW" <wheelers@direct.ca>

>> I understand that Task Force 72 is no longer selling stuff through Michael Kear, so I have left those off this list - Is this correct Mike? <<

 Sadly, for the time being yes. Those products were made available by Task Force 72 members and I offered them through a web site I built, at whatever price the member wanted plus a small percentage to cover the costs of the site and possible currency losses/fluctuations. (It was never a model business for me but a testbed for learning web development and e-commerce techniques). But it got too hard to keep it all organised, and the relationship with TF72 got too political. So its in what I'm calling a hibernation for now.

 I hope it's going to be possible again on another basis in 6 months or so, because the products are a long way better and more comprehensive for modern warships than any other 1/72 source. TF72 can make products available that no commercial kit maker like Deans marine or Italieri could cost-justify because they're a by-product of a modellers own building. Modellers don't build their own models to a cost or to suit manufacturing equipment they own and this meant attention to detail was very very high.

 (sigh) the trials of kit making.

 I reckon if we got serious about it and did treat it as a business, we could really do well.

 Cheers,
 Mike Kear
 Webmaster,  ModelWarship72
 http://www.healey.com.au/~mkear/tf72.htm
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From: Keith Butterley <keith_butterley@telus.net>
Subject: Three things

 Hi group,

 One -  Malcolm, the Bonsor Rec Centre is one block east of Metrotown. Seeing as it kind of hard to get out of North Van on weekends, these days, you might as well Sea Bus and Sky Train it, unless you are bringing something to enter ;-) Did you notice Darren's post yesterday on the Maggie? Maybe he can help yo with that Vancouver paint scheme.

 Two - After I asked everybody to have a look a my new website, it went Ka-boom. Please be patient it should be back up by 1000 am PST.

 Three - Saw a 350 Lindbergh Bismarck today, for $24 Cdn. I didn't know they made one, any comments on this kit? Or do I even have to ask?

 Happy modeling

 Keith Butterley
 http://www.warshipbooks.com
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From: "Russell French" <DefenceModels@one.net.au>
Subject: Re purchase of 1:72 scale kits

 Good Evening Sir,

 My name is Russ French and I am the President of TASK FORCE 72 Scale Model Ship Association Inc. and have been since its inception some 5 years ago.    

 It has come to our attention (Volume 1012 point 12 of SMML), that there seems to be some sort of urban myth that TASK FORCE 72 produces and sells 1:72 scale model kits and parts. I wish to point out to your readers that this has never been the case. TF72 is a registered Incorporated Association and do not manufacture parts, produce or sell kits of any description. We are simply here to build and sail models and have fun. We also have never sold parts or kits through Mike Kear of AFP Models. He was a distributor for APS Models but is no longer doing this. 

 One of our members, Mr Alan Pew, is the proprietor of "APS Models". He does produce a wide range of excellent parts and kits mostly in 1:72 scale which are available for sale to anyone whom wish to buy them. APS Models does sell these kits through a number of distributors, namely "Wooden Warship" and "R2 Model Marine" or they can be purchased directly from Alan. Alan can be contacted by email at alanpew@hotmail.com or phone Australia (02) 4972-5825. It should also be stated here that TF72 does not receive any form of "Cut" from the profits of APS Models as stated in a number of emails I have received.

 I hope this has clarified this misconception about our association. If anyone would like to contact TF72 they can through snail mail at TASK FORCE 72, P.O. Box 840, Sutherland, NSW, 1499, Australia.  

 Regards,
 Russ French
 President TASK FORCE 72 Scale Model Ship Association Inc.
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From: Chris Rogers <chrisr@mpx.com.au>
Subject: Task Force72

 G/Day,

 If you want a whole load of 1-72 kits then the place to go is APS MODELS the owner is Allen Pew and he has more 72 stuff than you can poke a stick at his quality is very reasonable along with the price I think you will find he has always made the stuff for Mike

 I am at the moment in the middle of a Royal Navy Type 12i AS frigate and have no problems recommending  Allan's gear to the semi scratch builders amongst yourselves (aint that right Shane) the contact number for Allan is 612 4972 5825 and all Smmlies in the Northern NSW can check out some of his work at the Ballina RSL  OCT 28/29 2000 look forward to seeing some of the gang there.

 Just a thought for you, TF72 has never endorsed anybody's business even if they are members of  TF72

 regards
 chris
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From: Ned Barnett <interned@accessnv.com>
Subject: After-market accessories needed

 I need to get some good after-market accessories for a kit I'm scratch-building. The scale is a bit off (1/293rd) but I think anything close can be made to fit.

 What I'm building is Noah's Ark - not the "floating warehouse" design (a legitimate historical approach, but it's already been done - and exceptionally well - by another list-member) but the more nautical-looking 
vessel.

 Any ideas (or sources) on roughly 1/300-scale ancient ship fittings would be appreciated.

 Thanks

 Ned
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From: Ned Barnett <interned@accessnv.com>
Subject: USS Chester

 I got taken (swept off my feet) by Jim Shirley's 1/700 USS Chester at the local hobby pusher's speak-easy; I couldn't resist the archaic design (was that REALLY a cruiser???) ...

 But I have zippo, nada, nyet, zero references on the Chester (well, technically I have Friedman's US Cruiser book with the side and overhead views of Chester on p. 68 - but that doesn't make me sound as desperate).  I'm looking for other references and for after-market accessories for this 1/700 gem.

 Any suggestions, sources, etc.???

 Ned
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From: Ned Barnett <interned@accessnv.com>
Subject: 1/72 ships/boats

 Don't forget (though if you get one, you'll wish you could forget dropping a double-sawbuck on this crap) Armageddon's LCVP. A truly awful kit, but the only one (that I know of) of this boat. It MIGHT make a nice wreck in a diorama, along with Airfix's pathetic Buffalo (which is 30 years old, atrocious and still better than Armageddon's's junk.
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From: Friedrich Kappes <FrederKappes@netscape.net>
Subject: kit list

 You mentioned in your list some ships, I search information on. So, I send you my questions on them, maybe you have some answers.

 G-5 series 11 (Russian MTBs, WWII) date of commission
 S 29, S 38-53, S 62-99, S 301-425 (German MTBs, S- or E-boats of WWII) line drawings
 and concerning the British MTBs and US PTboats: do you have drawings of them?

 Friedrich
 The FriedrichFiles

 http://sites.netscape.net/friedkappes/homepage
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From: "Gollin, Phil" <PXGOLLIN@ctrl.co.uk>
Subject: 1/700th H.M.A.S. SYDNEY

 Just a quick note to say that I saw in the latest White Ensign List that "N.N.T." are expected shortly to have a double 1/700th kit available of H.M.A.S. Sydney and the Armed Merchant Raider Kormoran.  I don't know what quality N.N.T. kits are, but it sounds interesting (should it have a Japanese periscope included ?).

 Phil
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From: Donald Bridge <Donald.Bridge@octas.com>
Subject: Russian Models

 Hi Guys

 During my ongoing search for 1/700 post WW2 subjects I came across a site which may be of use to some of you. www.russianscalemodels.com is a list of a large number of Russian manufactures with in most cases a list of their kits. Most are of 1/43 trucks but there are also a number of 1/72 aircraft and 1/35 AFV.  On the ships front there are 3 companies listed. Kombrig. Ogonek, who are listed as manufacturing 1/400 scale ships with no further details and Polar Bear Productions with a list of about 60 1/400 subs.

 Hope this is of some use to somebody.

 Don Bridge
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From: CBNJBB62@aol.com
Subject: Submarine for drug running

 Hi Guys 

 About 3 weeks ago I read in my local newspaper that in South America drug smugglers were caught building a 100 ft long sub for drug hauling. It was being built in the Andes Mts. and was going to be put together in 3 sections along the coast.

 Craig
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From: Donald Bridge <Donald.Bridge@octas.com>
Subject: Dragon Kidd

 Hi Guys

 Trawling the web I found a reference to a Dragon USS Kidd kit #7026.

 Has anyone else heard about this? I contacted the company that was advertising it and they could not find any reference to it either, the best they could come up with was that it was from the American catalogue. But I have never seen it for sale by anyone over there either. Any ideas?

 Don Bridge
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From: HPolvi@kgp.cclcustom.com
Subject: "Future" Aerosol

 You know how everyone talks about using "Future" floor polish as a clear coat, not just in this ship group but also the aeroplane and automobile groups? Well, I've tried, on the side, with the help of some folks in an aerosol lab to make an aerosol version. A really good clear satin aerosol I've used before was the Thomson & Formby's craft spray.

 Our first attempt was using Dimethyl Ether, a water-soluble propellent in a 1:2 ratio with Future right from the retail container. Unfortunately the "actives" kicked out of solution and separated into a layer at the top. A pretty thin layer, the stuff is mostly water. The spray out was a watery mess. We'll try a mix of propane and dimethyl ether next, but it may be too thin to aerosolize. 

 Anyone else trying this out?

 Henry Polvi
 Thornhill, ON
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From: "Martin Gertenbach" <Martin.Gertenbach@dgb.de>
Subject: Tre Kronor Class and other swedish vessels

 hi,

 like some others on the list, I would be interested in swedish navy vessels. Especially models of the newer swedish vessels like there Coastal Corvettes and the Visby Class Corvettes but also the good old Gotland. If we can find someone to produce them....

 Martin Gertenbach
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From: drwells@hogpb.mt.att.com (David R Wells)
Subject: Re: Revell USS Forrest Sherman(H-463)

 harold a kosier <hak@intercomm.com> wrote:

>> I have a (revell) model kit of the USS Forrest Sherman(H-463).Hull length 15 3/4in,it does not tell me the scale.I want to get scale fittings for it but I do not know  which one to buy, can you please help me, buy letting me know the scale and where to get them. <<

 I calculated it once as 1/319 scale. Revell probably meant it to be 1/320.

 I do not know where to get photoetch for this kit. I suspect that 1/350 scale photoetch might work, even though it would be slightly small. I suspect that there won't be any photoetch in the forseeable future either, since Revell hasn't reissued this kit in ages, and doesn't seem to plan to in the future. A pity, since for a really old Revell kit, it's pretty darn good. 

 David R. Wells

 "There seems to be something wrong  | David R. Wells
 with our bloody ships today"        | AT&T Middletown, NJ   
 Adm. D. Beatty, May 31, 1916        | http://home.att.net/~WellsBrothers/
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From: Fritz Koopman <fsk-pdsi@nii.net>
Subject: Re: tonnes of paint

 Hello Rhino!

 The basic rule of thumb for weight estimation used by Naval Architects is  as follows:

 Paint = 5% structural weight.

 Pretty straightforward, except that this number is increased slightly depending on the amount of subdivision/compartmentation, since an increase in one (1) bulkhead equals an increase of two (2) painted
surfaces (i.e. each side of that bulkhead).

 So while a smaller craft like a harbor tug will have an approximate weight of paint equal to 5 percent of her total stgructural weight, an CVN or BB would have something closer to 6.5% to 7.2 percent due to their increased subdivisioin/compartmentation.

 Chosing how much more than 5% to use is not a very scientific thing, its based on a WAG (Wild-A**-Guess), but time has proven this formula to be reasonably acurate!

 Hope this helps

 Best Regards
 Fritz Koopman
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TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD

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From: CokerRE@aol.com
Subject: Plans for sale

 For those of you interested in the De Zeven Provincen and Tre Kroner, I have the following for sale:

 Warship Plans

 De Ruyter, Dutch light cruiser 1960 1/200        $20.00   20.00
 Gota Lejon, Swedish cruiser 1950 1/200         15.00
 Piorun, Polish destroyer 1941 1/150         15.00 
 Gotland,  Swedish cruiser 1943 1/200         10.00
 Halland, “ destroyer                                   15.00   
 
 Arion/Odys, Polish icebreaker   1/75                        5.
 Yavuz, Turkish  helo frigate  1/400                       10.00

 Please reply off list to PC Coker at cokerre@aol.com
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From: "Shaya Novak" <shaya@erols.com>
Subject: 1/570 Revell North Carolina

 If you should need this kit goto our "Amer. Battleship page" this kit is ported at Naval Base Hobbies.

 Shaya Novak
 Naval Base Hobbies
 The Store for The Model Ship Builder
 www.modelshipbuilding.com
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From: "Shaya Novak" <shaya@erols.com>
Subject: Zengdefu Models at The Naval Base

 Yes Virginia you can find that model too at The Naval Base look on the "Pre WWI" page.

 Shaya Novak
 Naval Base Hobbies
 The Store for The Model Ship Builder
 www.modelshipbuilding.com
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From: "S Brejnak" <dreadnoughts2000@hotmail.com>
Subject: Custom fiberglass hulls

 Dreadnought Model Shipyards provides custom built fiberglass warship hulls in any scale. We take great care in producing a quality hull from the plans you provide. All hulls are plank on frame with a fiberglass outer shell.

 Check us out on the web at: http://dreadnoughts.theshoppe.com/

 Regards,
 Steven Brejnak
 Owner
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From: SteveWiper@aol.com
Subject: Warship Pictorial's #9 & #10

 I am cranking away on both of these photo albums. The Yorktown class book is about 75% finished, and about the same for the Portland class book. In the Yorktown class book, I have found quite a few really good reproductions of photos of the Yorktown and Hornet, that have not been highly published, if even at all. The photo selection on the Enterprise is stunning to say the least. Same for the Portland class book. I even found a few shots of "Indy" and  the "Sweet Pea" that were taken by the Coast Guard, off of both Ulithi and Eniwetok in 1944! Really cool! Both books will have in excess of 75 photos per book. I hope to have both available the first week of December, this year.

 Next up, will be photo albums on the Lexington class, and either Japanese battleships, Sims class destroyers, or even the Benson/Gleaves class destroyers. The release of any of my publications depends on the information that I am able to obtain at that time. I am constantly collecting information on ships at all times. 

 If you have, for some strange reason, not been able to obtain one of my publications, I think you are missing out on some really great visual treats. The photo reproduction, at the risk of tooting my own horn, is some of the best done in the book industry to date. The quality is as good and in some cases better that the original photo. These are not big, expensive books, but reasonably priced $12 books that anyone can afford. Please check out the samples on my web page @ www.classicwarships.simplenet.com

 Thanks,

 Steve Wiper
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