Subject: SMML VOL 1016 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 20:57:18 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Soviet MBK Armored gunboats 2: Re: Pasted up Plans Booklets 3: Swedish stealthcorvette HMS Visby 4: Re: Chris Langtree Message re Deck of Warspite 5: Re: Lindberg Bismarck and Yugos 6: Re: USS Baltimore 7: Re: ICM Koenig 8: G3/N3 9: Warspite decks (what joy!) 10: Re: future aerosol 11: Re: Trumpeter Minsk 12: Re: Ship Models from Russia 13: Re: 1/350 Tamiya Essex 14: Viking models 15: Re: OT: Intercontinental Dating? 16: Re: Ship Movies 17: Andrea Doria 18: Re: 1/350 Arizona 19: Re: Future 20: Welcome Dmitry! 21: 1/72 List Updated 22: St Roch - Amazing Voyage 23: Re: Ship Kits in 1/72 / Task Force 72 24: Tamiya Essex 25: Re: HMS Attacker 26: Visby drawings 27: Russian Spelling 28: Re: Tamiya's releases 29: Crest of HMS Warspite 30: Re: Some 1/350 kits from Ukraine. G3/N3 plans wanted 31: Re: 1/350 Tamiya Essex 32: 1:350 Tamiya Essex -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: antique 1:50 pre-dreadnought model 2: Flagship Models now accepts Visa and Master Card 3: New models 4: NRG Web Site Update 5: So. Cal Model Contest - OrangeCon 2000 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: john.baumann@talk21.com Subject: Re: Soviet MBK Armored gunboats >> Can anyone help me find pictures or drawings of the Soviet MBK Armored Gunboats used in the Baltic in WW2? These were the seagoing versions of the Type 1124/1125 boats with the T-34 Tank turrets. I know they had 2-76mm in turrets, at least 1- 37mm and some lighter guns. The two photos I had are too poor to use to build anything by. Also, does anyone have pictures/drawings of Soviet built WW2 landing craft, particularly the bigger ones that could carry tanks? << It seems these vessels fell into the main categories of Type N (few built), Type K (few built), the BKA 1124, BKA 1125, Shkernis (skerry), MBK Type 161 and MBK 186. My references for RUSSIAN River Monitors during WWII are: Czech Atom Magazine 11/1985 (Slovak text, poor pictures). German Modell-Fan 7/1992 (what appear to be good Type 1125 plans). US Military Journal No.12 (Type 1124 & 1125 mentioned). US Military Journal No.4 Soviet Rocket Artillery, 1917-1945, Part II (side view). Soviet Navy Volume II 1972 (Type 1124). MKL Plan (unknown Polish Source). The far better features on these craft stem from the Soviet Modelist Konstruktor issues: 9/1985, 10/1985, 7/1987 (No.45); 8/1987 (No.46); 9/1987 (No.47 [Russian LCS(L)1 & Project/Type 161]) & 10/1987 (No.48 [LCF(I), LCG(L)3, LCG(M) & LCT(R) 4 - Russian versions of GB LCI(S) and LCT2 vessels]). Does anyone have translations of these pieces please? For GERMAN: Tankette 31/1, Pi-Si-Boot (PioneerSicherungsBoot) 1942-1944 which utilised a Panzer III tank turret and the Drilling MG151 triple mount. This vessel served on the Elbe River, Lakes Constance & Balaton. In addition, I also came across two drawings of a Thorneycroft MTB supplied to Finland one of which carries Italian text Tipo 55 if these are of any use to anyone. I am interested in other river monitors that gained WW2 tank turrets, does anyone else have details on gunboats of other nations please, drawings would be welcome. john.baumann@talk21.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "J. London" Subject: Re: Pasted up Plans Booklets One method of restoring books and documents that are stuck together by water-based glues is to put them through a blast freezer, the type used in large bakeries to fast freeze products. I know this has been used to restore valuable books that suffered water damage in a fire and, depending on what it is that is holding the plans together, it might just work if, of course, you have access to such a machine. I recommend, of course, that you try a small sample first. Michael London -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Bergschöld Pelle Subject: Swedish stealthcorvette HMS Visby Joe, let's hope your mate isn't responsible for the looks. I've just got the latest issue of the RSwN:s staff-magazine, all fronted with a launch picture of that ship. And by Jove, she isn't the most elegant I've seen... BR /Pelle SWE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: AandMBlevins@gateway.net Subject: Re: Chris Langtree Message re Deck of Warspite Well, I must have been sleeping while the controversy was going on, but more likely just not paying attention re color versus wood on British battleships in WW II. Now that I am building a coastal monitor, HMS Roberts, I pay more attention to the color scheme questions of British WW II ships I guess. Having said that, does anyone know which is the case, paint or wood? I am assuming (yes, I know what happens when you do that) the monitors, being almost a battleship cut in half, would probably have similar deck treatment. At least that is all I have to go with right now. Can any kind soul help? Al Blevins -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Duane Fowler Subject: Re: Lindberg Bismarck and Yugos The Linberg version of the Bismarck is actually a very poor rendition of the Tirpitz. Never mind the oversized plate edge weld lines across the decks (Hmm, thought they were wooden) or the fact that the secondary turrets have the gun barrels molded in as one piece, or the fact that even though they call it the the Bismarck it has torpedo tubes behind the aircraft catapults which extend all the way to the edge of the main deck. The painting instructions also show a splinter pattern. I'd say that comparing Lindberg to Yugo is doing Yugo a distinct disservice. Regards, Duane Fowler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: DRPREUL@aol.com Subject: Re: USS Baltimore Steven, I have been doing alot of research on the Baltimore and currently building one in 1/192 scale. She did wear a measure 22 in 45. If you would like a copy of some the photos please let me know. Don Preul J&D Productions -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: peter samolinski Subject: Re: ICM Koenig Ned: Select Hobbies in East Glastonbury, CT offers the Koenig for $67.49 + $4.50 S/H, and they're outstanding people to do business with. Their phone/fax # is 860-633-9064. Pete. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: G3/N3 Hi Dimitry Raven and Roberts (British Battleships of World War Two) have sketch plans of all the designs considered by the British before they chose the G3 and N3s. They state that the final legend, midship section and sheer drawings were also completed and approved but as the ships were sacrificed at the Washington Treaty Conference the final plans don't seem to have been completed. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Warspite decks (what joy!) Hi Chris Not wishing to rake over old subjects but the background of the photo is dry and the shade is too consistent to be anything but freshly painted Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "wblad" Subject: Re: future aerosol The Japanese aircraft message board has a lengthy series of posts on the use of Future. Different modelers have had different results depending on technique, equipment and thinning mediums. The general consensus is positive. The original formula for Future did yellow over time, but the manufacturer corrected this many years ago, and one modeler reports that he has some models coated with Future ten years ago that show no signs of yellowing or cracking. A personal tip - I always use a drop of dishwashing liquid in all my acrylic paints. It doesn't cause foaming. It does act as an emulsifier for smoother airbrushing and brush painting. I use the blue-tinted stuff, but just use one drop per bottle. wblad@msn.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: drwells@hogpb.mt.att.com (David R Wells) Subject: Re: Trumpeter Minsk Graeme Martin wrote: >> David Wells asked the question if the Trumpeter Minsk in 1:550 was one piece hull? Yes it is with a threepiece deck, seems to fit OK initially. << That would make it different from the Lindberg, which has a one piece deck and a three piece hull. (main section, plus port and starboard halves for the forward section below the waterline.....) If the Trumpeter kit fits together well, then it's not the same as the Lindberg. Actually, here's another interesting question: what does the Trumpeter kit look like below the waterline? The Lindberg kit has a really huge sonar dome below the clipper bow. If somebody ever makes photoetch for the Trumpeter kit (kinda doubt it....) then I might be able to retrofit it to my Lindberg. I put so much work into fixing my Lindberg.... Hey, it was the only full hull Kiev there was, and it made a nice comparison to my Revell 1/542 Forrestal class.... David R. Wells -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Gordon E. Hogg" Subject: Re: Ship Models from Russia For Derek Wakefield and anyone else curious about anglicized Russian: To answer question part B first: the only "official" English transliterations (the rendering of letters in one alphabet into another) of Russian are probably those established by the British Library (formerly the Library of the British Museum) in the UK, and by the Library of Congress in the U.S. Though I research and catalog quite a lot with the Library of Congress transliteration system I find it rather "servile" in its insistence on rendering certain Cyrillic (Russian) letters in very odd ways. None of the examples you gave are in the LC system, but the October Revolution phrase would look like this: Oktiabrskaia Revoliutsiia. Some fun, huh? LC has its reasons, but I don't want to get into arcana here. Suffice it to say that there is a certain consistent correlation between original and derived, but it sure looks odd. In strict LC terms, for instance, the former Russian leader's name would appear as: Boris Eltsin, and that Russian composer who wrote the 1812 Overture would be Petr Il'ich Chaikovskii. Which leads me to your question part A: the differing versions of October Revolution you offer are all transliterations based, more or less, on different languages' phonemic systems, and how they choose to "imitate" the letters and sounds of another language. Your first example is very close to the British library system, where "yu" and "ya" replace (much more plausibly, I think) the "iu" and "ia" of LC. The German (and many other European languages) sound for "j" is like our "y" and used accordingly. The reason we are so familiar with the composer Tchaikovsky or even Tschaikowsky is that the French and German publishers got to him before those in the English-speaking world, otherwise the norm for us would probably have been to call (i.e., write) his name Chaikovskii or Chaykovsky. Or something worse, no doubt. Sorry, everybody, for the long wind. I'll get back to scratchbuilding my little 1:700 AOR, despite the threat from Ray Bean that a resin kit will soon appear. This *always* seems to happen, huh? Once you get to the point of no return on a gnarly project, somebody goes and makes it easier--for a lot more money, though. Decisions, decisions......... Gordon Hogg Lexington, Kentucky USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Reyna, Joe" Subject: Re: 1/350 Tamiya Essex SMML-lies, and -ettes, If Tamiya could keep the price reasonable, say between $125-150, I think I'd like to buy FIVE. Let's see, short-hull, long-hull variants, Korean War variant with updated superstructure and axial deck carrying Panthers, LPH variant with those interesting MOJAVE helos with the forward clamshell doors, then an ASW variant (early) with radar-equipped ADs, a latter ASW variant with S-2s and E-1s, VietNam-era variant with A4s, F8s, etc. etc. etc. Did I say only Five? Waiting, waiting, waiting,....... Joe -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: CaptainOD@aol.com Subject: Viking models Although Viking did make resin 1/72 models, they are out of business with a lot of angry people after them. Can't remember if it was mentioned but there was a vacuform Jap midget sub in 1/72 that is an excellent kit by I believe Wings and Vacs 72nd. Bob O'Donovan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: OT: Intercontinental Dating? >> I'm wondering why the folks in the UK are going all the way to the States to find a date - aren't there any eligible opposite sex potentials over in the UK? << All a matter of quality, Mate... >> Is this the beginning of a new trend, followed by a massive immigration of UK expatriates? << Actually, it will be a massive emigration of Yank expatriates (I know quality when I've found it!!) John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys http://www.shipcamouflage.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: Ship Movies >> It is a great pity that the Hollywood machine did not make the Cruel Sea. Errol Flynn would have been the Captain, (Capt'n Jack K) and just as he won the war in Burma, would have won the war in the North Atlantic, would have sunk Seven U Boats in one outing, one more than Walker's 2nd Support Group. As for the love interest, Capt'n Jack K's girlfriend would be a german spy who plants a bomb on his ship which the second in command learns of just in time to tell Flynn who manages to throw it overboard where it lodges in the conning tower of a U Boat that is just about to fire a torpedo that would have sunk Flynn's ship which is named USS W C Crapper named after the man who brought much relief to the Western World. The U Boat is forced to the surface as a result of the bomb exploding on the conning tower, The Great Jack leads the boarding party and finds not only the German codes but also the plans for the Japanese invasion of the Falklands Islands planned for May of that year (1942) which prompts the bombing of the Japanese mainland by Doolittle in April so that the Japs think that this is a prelude to invasion of the mainland and as a consequence call off the Falklands operation and instead focus ALL their efforts on-------BURMA where once again The Great Jack swings into action having being promoted to general for his actions in the SouthAtlantic and the North Atlantic and the Indian Ocean and the South Pacific and for shooting down ten thousand ballons that would have set the Pacific North West on fire. << AT LAST!! An expatriate Brit who has finally found the Truth! (Must be a shortage of Scotch whiskey and cigars in New York, leaving him with nothing else to do but write long missives to SMML....) Oh, BTW, regarding Walker's 2nd Support Group's 6 U-boat kills on one outing...a single US ship equalled that: USS ENGLAND (DE-635) sank 6 Japanese subs herself on one outing, between 19 May and 31 May 1944! John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys http://www.shipcamouflage.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Jim Burt" Subject: Andrea Doria Hi Group, It's been a long time since I've posted in this group, but I had heard that when I asked if a kit of the 1953 Italian Liner Andrea Doria ever had existed and I was told that Revell may have produced this kit. Does anyone know for sure? I'd like to know this, as, there aren't any plastic kits of the Doria out, except if they are custom built, or, in a small scale of 1250 and in metal. If anyone knows anything, please respond. I'd appreciate it greatly......... Thanks, and best regards, Stevo, "Cornholio12" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: VONJERSEY@aol.com Subject: Re: 1/350 Arizona i too would love to see a 350 arizona. also i have been thinking about revisiting the old revel model of the arizona. i made it in seventh grade and was impressed then with the quality. (it fell victim to a backyard firecracker recreation of Pearl Harbor) i have heard that some publication has just come out with an article on how to detail the old model....has anybody heard of this or seen it???? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Marc Flake Subject: Re: Future David: You are not alone. I've had many bad experiences with Future. It made little rivulets on the USS Olympia and puddles on some aircraft wings. I mix it with paint, and that helps. But I'm not a real big believer in this stuff yet. Marc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Marc Flake Subject: Welcome Dmitry! Always good to have a new shipmate! My enthusiasm stems for the possible information you can provide this list regarding Russian Vosper torpedo boats. As you know, Revell Germany markets a Vosper MTB painted up like a Brit. Unfortunaely, we have discovered that this particular model never served with the Brits. Instead, it was exported to Russia. Falk (another shipmate) has managed to find some photos of these particular boats being delivered in Murmansk and/or Archangel. They are painted in the traditional British MTB camoflauge. What we're trying to find out is if they remained this way through their careers, or did the Russians paint them. I'm betting they were painted, so I did mine in a dark slate gray. Do you have any resources you can check over there? Marc Flake Tarrant County Texas -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "MJW" Subject: 1/72 List Updated Hi folks Here are the results of my survey. I am told an authority in this field is a Mr Burns and his "Kit Collector" publication. Anyway - here is the list, in no particular order....there is a MASSIVE Ya*(*o in this list and a Fl*%#r as well... APS Models (web site reference http://www.ozemail.com.au/~albgun/index.htm) Semi Kits: USS Bunker Hill, Ticonderoga USS Paul F Foster, Spruance Class USS Arleigh Burke DDG-51 HMAS Anzac, FFH HMAS Adelaide, FFG HMAS Yarra, River Class DE HMAS Derwent ,River Class DE HMAS Torrens, River Class DE HMS Penelope, Batch III Leander Class HMS Manchester, Type 42 Batch III HMS Beaver, Early Batch II Type 22 HMS Cornwall, Batch III Type 22 HMAS Vampire Daring Class (1980) HMAS Vampire Daring Class (1970) HMAS Anzac, Australian Battle Class HMAS Adelaide, WW1 Town Class Cruiser HMAS Swan, Grimsby Class Sloop HMAS Castlemaine, Bathurst Class M/S HMAS Condamine, Bay Class Frigate HMAS Diamantina, River Class Frigate HMAS Macquarie, River Class Frigate MPC 85, Modern Freelance Corvette MPC 80, Modern Freelance Corvette HMAS Arunta, Tribal Class Destroyer (1943) HMAS Warramunga, Tribal Class Destroyer (1955) HMAS Quiberon, Q Class Destroyer HMAS Quickmatch, Q Class Frigate HMS Amazon, Type 21 Frigate HMAS Moresby, Survey Ship Liberty Ship Krivak Class Frigate (Russian) Nanuschka Class Corvette (Russian) USS Cherokee, Fleet Tug HMT Rollcall, Fleet Tug HMAS Collins, Diesel Submarine IJNS Yamato, Japanese Battleship (3.6 Metres long!!!!!!!!) Typhoon class SSBN (Russian) HMAS Huon, Offshore Minehunter Erich Steinbrick, German Type 34A Class Destroyer HMY Britannia HM Monitor M33 WW1 M27 Class Monitor HMCS St Laurent, Canadian Frigate Freelance English Tug Ciria 1950 Sovremenny Class Destroyer (Russian) HMAS Sydney, WW2 Modified Leander Class Cruiser HMAS Leeuwin, Survey Ship SUB COMMITTEE WEB PAGE (Not a manufacturer) 26 different 1/72 scale sub kits.. I searched the subcommittee web site and got this response : "Your search turned up 26 hits - At this time, this is setup to only display a maximum of 10 rows, until I perfect the "multiple page" feature... " Billing (www.billingboats.com) St-Roch (Plank O.B.) Tamiya Vosper Perkasa (Malaysian Navy) JMSDF PT-15 Revell HMCS Snowberry (ex Matchbox Bluebell) PT117 torpedo boat VOSPER British WWII MTB DGzRS ARKONA German Border Patrol Vessel Search & rescue cruiser Berlin (contributed by Shane) Airfix S Boat (E Boat on the box) RAF Rescue Launch Vosper Torpedo Boat (WWII) LCM Mk.III & Sherman 1/76 (close scale) (contributed by Shane) Great Little Ships (www.DJParkins.com) Planned but not announced : Fairmile B & Fairmile D MGBs/MTBs 'Grey Goose' Steam Gun Boat 'Round Table' Minesweeper 72' Harbour Defence Motor Launch Interavia (WEM Website - Caroline - is this the same as the Homtk kit???) Tupolev G-5 WW2 Torpedo Boat, resin, etched brass and white metal kit After Market parts : Great Little Ships HR Products Sirmar Kaiten "Wings 1/72" vacform (contributed by Shane) Homtk (contributed by Shane) Soviet G-5 Torpedo boat Amati (contributed by Shane) U-Boat type VII Craftline (contributed by Shane) Narrow boat (canal) Craftline 1/76 (close scale) Combat Models (contributed by Shane) USS Gato class submarine Baymo Models (contributed by Lars Zander) USS Hue City Aegis Class Cruiser SS Sovremenny destroyer SS Peter the Great Kirov Class Missile Cruiser F123 Brandenburg german frigate class USS Spruance destroyer Lindberg (contributed by Loren Pike) Shrimp Boat in 1/60? Diesel Tug in 1/82? North Atlantic Fishing Trawler (no scale given, but "around" 1/72) Tuna Clipper (no scale given, but "around" 1/72) U.S.C.G. Coastal Patrol Boat in 1/72 (or so?) Glencoe (contributed by Loren Pike) 1/74 scale World War I Subchaser Armageddon (contributed by Ned Barnett) LCVP Viking Models (contributed by Mike Leonard) PBR (resin) ASPB (resin) Vietnam River Monitor/CCB (resin) Thar y'all have it - any updates please send 'em my way...... regards Malcolm Canada -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "MJW" Subject: St Roch - Amazing Voyage While compiling my 1/72 list I came across this amazing website - www.stroch.org. The original ship (model kit by Billing) was the first to circumnavigate North America and the first to do the North West Passage in two directions. A "floating police station" it was stuck in ice for months at a time!! There is a St Roch II on it's way around North America right now - trying to raise funds for the original which is rotting away in Vancouver (or should that be Raincouver) regards Malcolm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: Mike Kear [mailto:mkear@healey.com.au] Subject: Re: Ship Kits in 1/72 / Task Force 72 A small point of clarification: In my haste to send a message the other day, I didn't choose my words carefully enough and might have given the impression that I had a relationship selling models via Task Force 72 the ORGANISATION. I did not wish to convey this impression, and my choice of words was such that some people might have drawn this incorrect conclusion. My relationship has been with **SOME MEMBERS** of Task Force 72 (and others) in a private capacity. Task Force 72 has never had any cut, take, input, involvement with the transactions, never sought it and was never offered it. Task Force 72 realise they would be opening a whole can of worms if they started endorsing a members products, so they are scrupulous about avoiding to be seen endorsing any products. So if I gave anyone the impression I was doing business with TASK FORCE 72 - the organisation, I'm sorry. I just approached several members of Task Force, including Allan Pew, suggesting they could easily offer things to the wider community simply through a web site I was building. I asked them what price they wanted for whatever it was, and never quibbled. Not once. Then I added a small percentage to that price, to make sure I was never taking orders they would have got anyway, and to cover the costs of running the web site and the credit card merchant fees, and put them on the web. But as I said yesterday, that whole project is in hiatus, perhaps to reappear, perhaps not. We'll see. Cheers, Mike Kear Webmaster, ModelWarship72 http://www.healey.com.au/~mkear/tf72.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: "S Sachsen" Subject: Tamiya Essex I do have to admit though, the 1:350 Essex is more intriquing. Personally I'd prefer a long-hull, but what the hey...I'll be glad to find a 1:350 short-hull. Since the only difference between short and long hull are the gun tubs under the forward edge of the flight deck, it should be easy enough to cast two versions of that section and include it in the kit as a choice for the modeler to make. The same sort of 'spare' casting could be done for ships with and without sonar (in the coversions), though the attendant hause hole changes might not be so easy. AMT/Ertl has been doing that sort of thing for car models for decades. s -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: CBNJBB62@aol.com Subject: Re: HMS Attacker Hi Guys Concerning the HMS Attacker's flight deck colors. I believe it to be a dark gray. I base this on two sources Escort Carriers of World War Two by Kenneth Poolman Warship Fotofax Arms and Amour Press 1989 which has a color photo of the HMS Vindex with a western approaches camouflage and HMS Eagle Warship Profile #35 which has a color drawing of the carrier in February 1942. The Vindex was commissioned in December 1943. Also it probably wasn't paint but like the USN used a stain. I hope this is of help. Craig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: "Ralph & Karen Batykefer" Subject: Visby drawings All the talk of the Visby has me wondering if anyone has drawings of her? Pretty awesome looking boat... I'd be interested in modeling her. IHS, Ralph -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: "Jana & Pavel" Subject: Russian Spelling Dear SMML'ies, In reply to Derek Wakefield's query on the "correct spelling" of Russian ship names, my information from my wife who is a Translator of Russian, Polish, Slovak and Czech is that the English spelling is "Phonetic". As the Cyrillic alphabet is completely different the Authors of the publications matched the sound of the name to the closest pronunciation. To further the problem, it may also depend on the time period of the translation. New translations may use a different approach and just translate the meaning. e.g.. Oktyabrskaya Revolutsia is literally October Revolution. Further I am told, the Russian Pronunciation may differ regionally in the Russian language, as the population is a mix of different ethnic groups. I hope this helps to clear this up.(or does it?) Regards Jana & Pavel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: "Jim Johnson" Subject: Re: Tamiya's releases From what I understand of Tamiya, they have quite a number of projects going at any given time. The selection of any one project to be brought to conclusion depends on the whim's of Mr. Tamiya. They may have had an Essex,a Fletcher etc. in the works in the 80's and decided to do the Fletcher 10 years later. This means that they could do an Essex next year or wait until another 10 years elapse. I don't think that pleas directed to Tamiya would do much good, but you could try. For all we know, they may have 10 ships "in the works" right now and we may never see them. It is my understanding that the bulk of Tamiya's profits come from their radio control department and that they use the plastic model department to chew up some of the profit as a tax lessening device. If the RC is going great, then there are more plastic kits released. Lets hope that the RC sales increase enough so they have a lot of profit to hide. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: "Jana & Pavel" Subject: Crest of HMS Warspite Dear SMML'ies, When all else fails this site is the most likely source!! I need a bit of help in tracking down a picture of the "Woodpecker" that H.M.S. Warspite used as Her unofficial crest. From the history that I have read, this was more popular than the Elizabethan Cannon that the Admiralty bestowed on H.M.S. Warspite. If there is anyone with a drawing or picture they are willing to photocopy, please contact me off list. Thank you in advance Regards Pavel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) From: NEVENGER@aol.com Subject: Re: Some 1/350 kits from Ukraine. G3/N3 plans wanted Ok I wrote ICM as well tonight to see what they write back on all those ships that were listed and when they are coming out. It is getting hard holding onto the money that I am now saving for the kits that I know are coming out (I hope soon). As to your request for a site that may have ship plans you can try: http://lonestar.texas.net/~glover/george.html He seems to have a lot of plans for sale in 1/144th and the 2 that I got from him were real nice. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31) From: NEVENGER@aol.com Subject: Re: 1/350 Tamiya Essex Hey I glade to see that I am not along on wanting a 1/350 Essex to be made by Tamiya. Perhaps if we make enough noise they will say this is to good not to do. I have my wallet open and the credit card company is waiting. Even if they want the same price that they get for the Enterprise I will pay. Hey I look at it this way. If only 10 of us are willing to write and pay on just a rumor we may be only 1% of what is willing to buy it out right. That would be 1000 buyers out right. Ok maybe I am dreaming but from my line of work many people just sit back say nothing and wish a lot for what they want. Very few will write on what they wish for. Say I got an idea and if we want this lets try it. Send an e-mail to Tamiya saying what we want as the customer. Their web address in the US is http://www.tamiya.com/america/ta.htm and the Japan address is window@tamiya-inc.co.jp I say we write both and go for it. At worst they never do it, but aleast we can say we tried and if they do we win. So are you with me on this because I am writing now... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 32) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: 1:350 Tamiya Essex >> and then for the modeler: to construct each Essex class ship in each variant within their service lives, << My mind just blinked "tilt" trying to figure out how many kits one would have to buy to do that (not to mention the warehouse turned museum required to display them all). >> and for the completist: Oriskany as a derelict, awaiting scrap version << Hey now, that's a dirty word (there's some of us here who are still hoping for salvation/repreive on that front!!) _|_o_|_ Derek "Tiger" (/\)akefield /---(.](o)[.)---\ iscandar2@chatter.com o oo O oo o http://www.iscandar-66.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: GrafSpee34@aol.com Subject: antique 1:50 pre-dreadnought model Hi About three weeks ago, I was at an exposition and saw a massive 1:50 builder's model of a pre-dreadnought for sale. It was of an Italian two turret steam powered battleship, at the stern was a launching bay for a torpedo boat (which was inside). The model was of excellent quality, although it is now in dire need of restoration. As far as I could tell it was never repaired or repainted. The model was built before the turn of the century, and was sent by Italy to the Chicago World's fair. (There was still a customs sticker on the very bottom of the hull that said it was to be exhibited at the Word's Fair.) The owner said it was held by the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry, until recently auctioned off, where he aquired it. It is now for sale, and if anyone is interested, the owners name and phone# are: Cory A Streat 319 263 5812 Be advised I only just met this person, and cannot vouch for him. Cheers Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Flagship Models now accepts Visa and Master Card It's now super easy to purchase online from our web site. Flagship Models now accepts Visa and Master Card via Pay Pal/Xcom. If you're not a Pay Pal member, just sign up right on the site. It's free, and super easy to use. There's no charge to you whatsoever for the service! All you have to do is total up your order and click on the Pay Pal "Purchase" icon at the bottom of the order form and fill out the form. I'll get an automatic confirmation of your purchase and the products will be on their way to you SAME DAY. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Leodegar Berger" Subject: New models My company now has new models in scale 1/1250 in stock. They are: Tank kingtiger, Germany 1944/1945 1/1250 $ 3,- k.u.k danubemonitors Temes/Bodrog $ 9,- old american harbourbarge $ 4,- Old steamcrane $ 6,- Leodegar Berger -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Vincent Mccullough" Subject: NRG Web Site Update Hi, folks. The Nautical Research Guild web site (http://www.naut-res-guild.org) has been undergoing some changes of late. Most of them are not very noticeable (new hosting service, new internal organization) except that the pages should load a little faster. One change that may interest many of you: I've updated the site to add the Table of Contents for the September issue of the Nautical Research Journal. The new issue has a number of interesting articles for both ship modelers and nautical historians, so check it out. The link is in the first table on the page, and is labeled "Nautical Research Journal, September 2000." Unlike the past several issues, there's no web supplement for this one, but I'm sure that David Blanchard, our editor, will come up with something interesting for the next issue. With the move to a new host, I'll be getting back to adding and revising material. I'll let everyone know when anything significant is added. Vince McCullough NRG Webmaster -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Richa5011@aol.com Subject: So. Cal Model Contest - OrangeCon 2000 IPMS Orange County is pleased to invite our fellow modelers to join us at OrangeCon 2000 - IPMS Region 8 Regional Contest. All modelers, whether you are an IPMS member or not, are welcome to join us. OrangeCon 2000 will be held on Sunday, 22 October, 2000 at the Sequoia Conference Center, 7530 Orangethorpe Ave., Buena Park, CA. The doors open 9:00am with model registration closing at 11:30am. The contest room will be closed for judging from noon until 1:30pm. The awards presentation will begin at 3:30pm. In addition to 46 contest categories, nine "Best Of" awards, OrangeCon 2000 also features two special theme awards: 1940 - Any subject as it appeared in the dramatic year of 1940. Detroit Iron - Any subject (auto, armor, aircraft, etc) built by any of the auto manufacturers based in Detroit, Michigan. During the time the contest room is closed, we will be pleased to host several special guest speakers. Should you want an electronic copy (Adobe PDF format) of the OrangeCon 2000 information sheet, please send your e-mail address to. If you want a paper copy, please send your mailing address to the same e-mail address. Nat Richards IPMS 13182 Chapter Secretary PS - IPMS OC is the only IPMS Chapter I know of that has three ship modelers on the 6 member Executive Board...Equal Representation at last! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume