Subject: SMML VOL 1020 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 23:51:38 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: NEW POLISH BOOK ON HMS VANGUARD?? 2: Re: USS Eldridge, DE 1173 3: Re: What are "Queens"? 4: Re: Fletcher out of the box 5: Essex 1/350 vs. Escort carrier 1/700 for modeling 6: Re: Model Ships on the Mantelshelf 7: Outathebox Fletcher 8: Tamiya Kits 9: Veterans and Saburo Sakai 10: U-571 11: Re: Tamiya Essex 12: Re: Fireplace mantles and ship models 13: Decks of HM ships 14: Re: Fireplace mantles and ship models 15: Re: Korean War Exhibit 16: Re: holystoned teak 17: Blue Water navy web site 18: Thanks 19: Series "Harbor Master" 20: Tamiya Stuff 21: Re: Fireplace mantles and ship models 22: Re: Souvenirs 23: Re: WW2 ship movies -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Re: Going to San Francisco 2: SUBS, SUBS...we got subs 3: Wilheim Bauer 1/144 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "NICK & JOY ROGERS" Subject: NEW POLISH BOOK ON HMS VANGUARD?? Greetings from New Zealand, I note that a Polish Hobby Shop/Bookshop Website http://www.pelta.com.pl lists the following book, MK 04/00  HMS VANGUARD  BRITISH BATTLESHIP $ 10.00 (USD) Is this book on the last battleship named HMS Vanguard, completed 1946? Called the "Guards Van" by her crew. If so,has anyone bought a copy yet and willing to offer a thumbnail review. Samek admit on their website to be working on a 1/700 resin Vanguard (1946) kit. I don't know of any other books solely on Vanguard. Thanks in advance. Nick -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: AandMBlevins@gateway.net Subject: Re: USS Eldridge, DE 1173 As a source of information and research for Cannon Class DE's I would advise that the USS Slater DE 766 is restored to WW II condition at Albany, NY. She was returned from the Greek Navy through the efforts of the DE Sailor's Assn., berthed at NYC near the Intrepid and now is open to visitors at Albany Al Blevins -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Ed Grune Subject: Re: What are "Queens"? >> Well... Steve, YOU should know :^)) -- LINK: STEVE IN A SHORT DRESS << Point goes to Ms Carter. All seriousness aside - does anybody have an idea what the "queens" on a hose are? Ed Mansfield, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Fletcher out of the box >> How good is the 1/350 Fletcher? Is it out-of-the-box good, or does it need lots of expensive goodies to make it good? << I have stated before on this list that the Tamiya 1/350 Fletcher is a great starter kit for anyone who wants to break into ship modeling. Mostly because it builds so well straight from the box. However, (as with any ship kit) a well designed photo etch set (like mine) will only improve it's accuracy and overall look. IF you wish to do some scratchbuilding on this kit, the mast is where it could benefit most. The yardarm and mast are molded in a simplistic Christian cross style (why do manufacturers do that)? By that I mean the yardarm and mast are on the same plane which is terribly inaccurate. The mast also is literally covered with many antennas, ladders and other details (see the photo of the mast on my web site in the "gallery" photos under the Fletcher set) depending on what era you are modeling. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ Instant order online with Visa & Master card "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: NEVENGER@aol.com Subject: Essex 1/350 vs. Escort carrier 1/700 for modeling Ok let me get this correct... Short hull vs. long hull for the essex is a problem. Ok I want long hull, but if they made a short hull I would still buy it. There are still alot of differances even in long hull from ship to ship. Ok just pick one ship then. Now that was easy and if you think not then how did Tamiya come up with the escort carrier CVE-9 Bogue to be a good seller in 1/700. Now lets look at that CVE. According to a book of mine it started out as a ACV and then all ACVs were upgraded to be listed as CVE. With that in mind The differance between CVEs is really BIG. Never mind all the different flight deck sizes, gun arrangments, hulls, islands, stacks, well you get the point. So who wants to tell me that it would be harder to pick out a 1/350 Essex class vs. a 1/700 escort carrier. I am also wondering how a CVE would sell better in Japan that an Essex. I do not think that a CVE has the beauty and grace of an Essex (this is just my view point, even though I had family one on in Leyte Gulf). I also have to agree with Rusty when he wrote "Are you trying to tell me that the 1/350 Bismarck/Tirpitz would outsell a 1/350 Shinano in Japan?". Think about that one. To me it is as simple as to make or not to make. If someone makes it in 1/350 scale I will buy it and if not I will have to consider one day what I will have to do to get the wife to let me have a resin kit. Hi, One of the reasons that the USS Bouge kit is a good seller for Tamiya is the fact that the moulds originated with Skywave & iirc, they are only leasing them. Thereby saving them the cost of making the moulds. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: HGYL@aol.com Subject: Re: Model Ships on the Mantelshelf Over a period of some 30 years I have always had a model on the mantelshelf in my home through all seasons , central heating, airconditioning, roaring log fires etc. and have never had any ill effects on the models. My models are scratch built for the most part, materials being wood, plastic, paper, brass, with copper wire and fly tying silk for railings and rigging. Various adhesives have been used, although mainly PVA and Seccotine types. I have found the least reliable material from a longevity point of view to be styrene plastic. Harold Lincoln -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Kurt Van Dahm Subject: Outathebox Fletcher Ned: As a great out of the box kit check out the Tamiya 1/35 scale PBR kit. It's of a Vietnam era river patrol boat that has excellent detail and can be a contest winner built right out of the box. Take care, Kurt Van Dahm Westmont, IL NRG member -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Mapweasel1@cs.com Subject: Tamiya Kits Hey guys, Tamiya just announced a 1/700 scale Indianapolis and a late war I-58 submarine. I dont know if these are new toolings or Skywave reboxings. Brian -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Veterans and Saburo Sakai Hi John This isn't necessarily going to solve the controversy you know. Veterans can provide excellent information but they can forget or they might not have paid any attention (after all there was something a bit more important going on). As a result this is why we argue over photos and the like. That being said its worth a try but I doubt anything definitive will come out of it. On Saburo Sakai - he started out as an enlisted pilot and they were very poorly treated by the commissioned pilots. His campaign - even to the point of firing a pistol at an officer who was beating one of his comrades - against his officers resulted in improved conditions for all enlisted pilots in his squadron. Truly a remarkable man. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Harry Gilday" Subject: U-571 HAS ANY MODEL COMPANY ISSUED A MODEL OF U-571???? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "William Oreto" Subject: Re: Tamiya Essex I usually don't build 1/350 scale except for exceptional subjects and a 1/350 Essex is one of them. I don't see Tamiya producing it no matter how many letters you send them. Tamiya just doesn't seem corporately stable or market oriented towards the U.S.. I believe they made a conscience choice to avoid American markets for ship models. I think it can be safely said that ship model sales and their supporting products have grown since 1990. Anyway if Tamiya can not recognize that, then don't waste your time or 32 cents. Another resin company is more likely to market a 1/350 Essex way before Tamiya. I'm sorry I couldn't afforded Tom's at the time of its sale. It didn't stay on the market very long. I'll start saving now for the next one. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Ken Goldman" Subject: Re: Fireplace mantles and ship models The answer to Rusty's question about putting a model on a fireplace mantle is simple: place a thermometer on it next time you use the fireplace and check the reading. It shouldn't be any higher (maybe just a little) than the ambient room temperature. If it is too much higher, I'd worry about a real fire danger to the house. At least Rusty doesn't have to worry about an earthquake dumping the model from such a narrow perch. Ken Goldman THE WALRUS AND THE CARPENTER unique wood sculpture and fine scale models www.walruscarpenter.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: Decks of HM ships Can anybody help out with regard to Paratex, a deck covering that was used from mid 1942 onwards. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Burl Burlingame / Pacific Monograph Subject: Re: Fireplace mantles and ship models Put a junk model up there and see what happens.... Burl Burlingame Pacific Monograph, 1124 Kahili Street, Kailua HI 96734 808-263-6087 buzz@aloha.net A historical interpretation company. Visit our web sites at http://www.PacificHistory.com/ and http://www.PacificHistory.net "He's supposed to be dead. This is vexing. I am terribly vexed." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Korean War Exhibit >> Today I swung by the Washington (DC) Navy Yard to try to pry a set of orders out of the computer. After succeeding (miracle!) I stopped by the museum annex down the street -- main building is still under renovation -- to see what was new. << I'm going to be in DC in early Nov. Is the Navy Yard worth seeing or are many of the exhibits closed due to the renovations?? Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: holystoned teak >> Every former SALEM crewman who comes aboard says "The deck never looked like this when I was here!" We also don't have 1500 men around to keep it holystoned! Your weathered sample from the un-named USN heavy cruiser would not be so dark in service. Unless the decks were not holystoned in wartime?? To get a proper match, grab a boiler brick, some sand, some sea water, and get to work! << Would holystoned teak be any different in color than freshly sanded teak?? Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Blue Water navy web site I got an email from Mike Bishop and he has a new web site for Blue Water Navy. It's very nice with lots of photos along with the usual new releases, kits, etc. http://www.bluewaternavy.com/index.htm Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ Instant order online with Visa & Master card "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: NRTaylor54@cs.com Subject: Thanks Revell North Carolina: To all those who sent me suggestions on where to purchase one of these unobtainable kits (here in the UK ) an enormous thank you! I took Derek "Tiger" Wakefields advice and have ordered three from Model Expo. I repeat my plea is there any 1:600 modellers who will join me in persuading White Ensign to produce a twin 5" gun house to add to the Lindburg Manchester/Cleveland, Lee Iowa and many others. Neil Taylor. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Ferdinand Miller Jr Subject: Series "Harbor Master" Does anyone know where I can purchase a copy of the TV series "Harbormaster"? I believe it ran for about 10 episodes during the 1960's. It was filmed in my adopted second home Rockport MA. Is there a source for any old nautical movies and tv series? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Joe Norris Subject: Tamiya Stuff I've been following the Tamiya thread for a bit, and I thought I would throw in my $0.02 I went to Japan with Tamiya in May to the Shizuoka Hobby show (my CVN-65 caught Mr. Tamiya's eye at Tamiya/Con 2000). We got to spend the whole week with company execs, product designers, etc. There was much talk of a 1/350 Arizona. The only holdup, if memory serves, was the possibility of U.S. public opinion backlash. How would the U.S. modelers/public react to a Japanese company building a product (for its profits, presumably) that their forefathers made famous by sending it to its' death with 1,100 sailors aboard? I doubt it would be a problem, and I tried to convey this. It seemed that my plea fell on semi-deaf ears, though. Anyhow, it was a very touchy subject over there, to say the least. Thedecision to go ahead with such a project wont come easy, if at all. Tamiya & Tamiya America does value the input of modelers. If you want to see an Arizona BB or an Essex Class CV, please call or write and let them know. It ain't gonna happen if you don't. By the way, Rusty White is correct. The big 1/350 kits are primarily for the overseas (North American & European) markets. The 1/700 waterline kits are very popular in Japan. Just note which kits are available in which scales... Joseph Norris -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: Allan and Crystal Plumb Subject: Re: Fireplace mantles and ship models From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com >> I also have a mantle above my fireplace. I have often pictured my 1/350 Titanic sitting there (when I get it built someday). My question is, does anyone on this list have a plastic or resin model on their mantle? Obviously I mean on a mantle of a fireplace that is used. << Yes, I do, and yes, it is used. For holding up the mantle. I never said I _used_ the fireplace. Besides, I've only been in the new digs three months, and Texas has not had much fireplace weather yet... The old place had a fireplace too, but no mantle. There was definite heat flow up the outside, never measured it though. I'd imagine it would be idiosyncratic: depends on the distance between the fireplace opening and the mantle, size of fire, depth of mantle, etc. etc. If I ever get a chance to burn something, I'll check, but until then there's a 1/350 CG56 San Jacinto and 1/350 PoW up there. I think not using the fireplace is a small price to pay in order to have a bit more flat space to put models on. YMMV. Allan Plumb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: Minadmiral@aol.com Subject: Re: Souvenirs Hi all; While we are discussing "souvenirs" from USS SALEM. Has anyone heard anything about the bozo who got a piece of the USS CAIRO? I know I said bozo, but haven`t been able to get any recent news. Chuck Duggie WoodenWalls Listmeister Naval wargamer, amateur naval historian, and ship modeler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: MGross1352@aol.com Subject: Re: WW2 ship movies From the depths of my memory I believe the movie with William Holden as the tug captain was The Key. The key was shared by tug captains who also shared the tennant who, if memory serves was Sophia Loren. The book was by a Dutch novelist who wrote a number of WW II novels; I think it was Jan DeHartog who also wrote The Captain. From Mark Grossman in East Brunswick, New Jersey where my back is out so I am in. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Bob Evans Subject: Re: Going to San Francisco >> I'll have a rental car and some free evenings (I'll be working days at my new job, home-officed in Emeryville) and would like to take in after-hours nautical museums, hobby shops that cater to ship-modelers ... basically any place I can spend money while jonesing out on my long unrequited love-affair, the sea and things Nautical." Any suggestions? If so, please include directions from the bridge between the Embarcadero and the Oakland area (Oakland Bay Bridge?). << From Bob's corner: Ed, first off ... you will want to stop by Franciscan Hobbies .... SF's oldest and largest Hobby Shop! To get to our shop you drive south on Hwy 101 to Hwy 280 South ..... take Hwy 280 to the Ocean Ave. exit ... this exit pulls a right hand turn and dumps you onto Ocean Ave. right next to our City College. Go past City College, Kragens Auto Supply, Walgreens and Blockbuster Video ..... we are two blocks further on, almost on the corner of "Keystone" and Ocean Ave. We are open 7 days a week. Mon - Wen - Fri 10 am to 9 pm ..... Tues - Thur - Sat 10 am to 6 pm and Sunday 12 noon - 5 pm. Phone number is 415-584-3919. Thank You. Bob Evans 340 Foerster St. SF, CA 94112 415-334-9923 H 415-584-9112 F -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Bill Gruner Subject: SUBS, SUBS...we got subs Just arrived....the excellent 1/1250 scale Russian Oscar Class KURSK by Argos of Germany...metal waterline miniature, fully painted, and impressive in size (I could have sworn it was 1/700 scale when I opened the box, the Oscars must be huge)...18.00 Also just got in a pleasant surprise - the 1/200 scale German Type 1A subs (first "Nazi" U-Boat). These are resin kits by Planet Models, No.1 in their Naval Series. Very nicely done, very good detail, excellent casting. The hull is split lengthwise along the lower line of the limber holes to allow the limber holes to be molded in effectively, a nice touch. In stock for $42. 00 + shipping. I understand Planet will be doing the Type IIs in 1/200 scale. We also just got in a re-stock of the 1/700 plastic kit by Dragon of British TRAFALGAR vs. Russian OSCAR (Read KURSK)....9.00. Also the excellent 1/350 HMS TRAFALGAR by White Ensign Models, resin kit...NEW...55.00 I have 2 bagged kits of DML/Testors 1/700 Ohio vs Alfa for $7.50 each. As far as books, we recently received the superb new Kaijinsha pictorial "History of US Navy Submarines" for $23.00. We forgot to advertise this in our new Sept. UPDATE. If you haven't bought a Kaijinsha pictorial before, you should check them out, they are great. A lot of great photo info for a reasonable price. There is a fairly complete list in our latest 1250 FLEET UPDATE on our website. Thanks, Bill Gruner Pacific Front hobbies http://www.pacificfront.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Shaya Novak" Subject: Wilheim Bauer 1/144 Contact us we might be able to get it for you. 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