Subject: SMML VOL 1030 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:19:31 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Battle of the Atlantic 2: CVAN 65 Enterprise 3: Re: Remembering Pearl Harbor but getting the Tamiya kit 4: Kriegsmarine Flag Decals 5: Re: Kreigsmarine flags 6: Deck Edges 7: Re: Deck edges 8: Re: USS Oakland info needed 9: Re: Deck Edges 10: Re: USS Sims 11: Re: Screws 12: Re: Caroline 13: Fletchers in the Battle of the Atlantic ???? 14: Re: WW2 Kids Toys 15: Thanks and stuff 16: Re: kids these days 17: Re: Photoetch for Soviet Warships 18: ORISKANY 19: USS Wisconsin 20: German secret weapons WW2 21: Revell LHD Wasp Class 22: Electronic Greyhounds 23: Re: ORP Dragon 24: Re: Related threads to the USS Barry 25: Cruiser Pola -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation 1: Northmen/IPMS in Norcross, Georgia 2: Model Ship Club Display Victoria BC Canada 3: IPMS USA NATS/2002 VIRGINIA BEACH How about a James River Photo Tour??? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Melea/Mike Maynard" Subject: Re: Battle of the Atlantic I read with interest the thread regarding models for the Battle of the North Atlantic theme. It was surprising that no one mentioned any CG cutters. There is only Revell's TANEY(originally released as the CAMPBELL) that might be modeled but I think it important to highlight some facts regarding this class of ship. Briefly, the HAMILTON class cutters only numbered 7 ships but were credited with sinking 4 U boats and damaging 20(based on German war records). The modern HAMILTONS formed the nucleus of the American escort effort in the critical winter 1942-43 sea battle against the u-boats. The US Navy was only to field a few ancient WWI destroyers as escorts in that period, the modern destroyers were detailed to the Pacific or to operate in the Atlantic with warship groups. It was said Adm. King was not a big fan of the British and didn't want any "mixing" of naval forces with other countries. Keep in mind that the escort carriers and DE's only came into their own at the end of 43. For the most part, the 42-43 North Atlantic battle was a British and Canadian one, as they contributed the bulk of the ocean escorts in that crucial victory. But to get back to the cutters, they were radically altered in apperence compared to their peace time armament.(3-5" 3-3" 6-20mm, depth charge, hedgehogs) A model of the Hamilton will take some research and a lot of modifying. They had a handsome camo sceme, Thayer blue and light grey, but it was altered as the ships were again modified as amphibious force flag ships near the end of the war. Most transferred to the war in the pacific. I say most as the HAMILTON was sunk by a U boat in 1943. By the way I served on 3 of that class in the 1970's(yeah they were great ships) the BIBB, DUANE, and CAMPBELL. The Campbell rammed and sunk the U-606,in '43 almost sunk itself in the process. PS for more info read "BLOODY WINTER" it was written by a "Coastie" John Waters, is well researched, gives lots of credit to our British cousins, an easy read. Captain Waters tells it like it was...he was there. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Nuno Andresen Portela" Subject: CVAN 65 Enterprise Dear Mr. Shane Jenkins, First of all, let me congratulate for your efforts putted in this site dedicated to ship builders. This web site was pointed to me by Mrs Caroline Carter of White Ensign Models, and the reason for this mail is the CVAN 65 Enterprise. I'm backdating 1/350 Tamiya Enterprise to the earlier pagoda bridge and I already purchased through Hannant's Gold Medal detailing set and throught VLS Tom's Modelworks detail set for the aircrafts, but my adventure is far from being over. What I Would like from you (and the reason for this mail) is your competent assistance in order to make a good replica. My primary needs are the radars this early version had, and the information about the Carrier Air Wing in 1967 (the year I was born, that's why I want to display this particular version). Also plans for this early island and light sources of the real ship, as I intended to light up all the model with fiber optics and leads. (Currently I have the light project for the hangar below deck completed which is in itself scrathbuilt). For the Carrier Air Wing my primary needs are a list of the air squadrons, their serial numbers, BU numbers, and pictures of decoration squemes. Finally do you know of someone who produces: The mentioned radars in etched brass Grumman Tracker, Rockwell Vigilant, F8 Crusader (various versions including photo-rec), A4 Skyhawk, A1 Skyraider (various versions AH-D1...), Decals: "US insignia" for all the above Decals: Markings and Tail codes, yes tail codes (I hope I dont have to paint all the markings by hand and make the tail codes from bigger scales stencils) Decals: Canopy frames (The frames, not the windows, I'm going to vacform all transparencies in tinted butirene) Photoetched missiles and miniature bombs and drop fuel tanks for the airplanes. Service vehicles Service Cranes All the Books you are aware for the CVAN65 and her Carrier Air Wing (I have some for the Forrestal, Nimitz and Coral Sea) Plans for this pagoda bridge and the vessel in general This is a hell of a list but every time I wish to start a model hundreds of questions appear. Please don't take me wrong but I'm used to ask for help as I'm used to give assistence as far as my knowlege permits. With my best compliments, I wish you the very best. And thank you for your idea in creating this site. Nuno Andresen Portela PS. Please note that as english is not my first language. So please don't take me wrong for some grammar or typing errors Hi Nuno, As much as I'd like to take all the credit ;-), there were other people involved in getting the website together, including Mike Dunn SMML's webmaster & others. As for your English, it's pretty damm good ;-). Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: PT191@aol.com Subject: Re: Remembering Pearl Harbor but getting the Tamiya kit Ned: "Can't we all just get along?" I did read your posting three times before I showed it to my father and he read it twice and we talked about it for twenty minutes before I replied to it. I don't make knee jerk reactions Ned, the type of work that I do negates that sort of reaction from me. In my job, I need to be doubly sure of the facts of a case before I can make a response. I'll put it behind me. T. Garth Connelly Hi, Ok, lets put this down to a misunderstanding of Ned's post & stop it right here. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Subject: Kriegsmarine Flag Decals Doug, I just ordered and received some Kriegsmarine flags for my E-boat from the Model Dockyard - url below. http://www.model-dockyard.com/flags/flags.asp Flags are cloth and absolutely stunning. Kevin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Kreigsmarine flags >> Where can I get some Kriegsmarine flag decals in 1:72 scale....I read somewhere that someone was offering real scale cloth ones, too. Any suggestions? << In the back of their catalogue, Floating Dry-dock mentions that they may be able to find or make (I assume) any flags you may want that they may not stock. Check them out. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ Order online with Visa & Master card (US only) "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Subject: Deck Edges As to deck edges, Gunze's Mr Surfacer 500 works great. Brush it on, and after 10 minutes, use a Q-tip and isoporpyl alcohol to smooth it out (work perpendicular to fill line).. Slick as a Democrat president. Kevin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Deck edges >> Does anyone have any good tips on how to fill the gap between the deck edge and the side of the hull on a plastic kit without sanding off the plank lines on the deck? << One way is to add strip styrene the appropriate thickness to fill the gap. Once that is done, go ahead and add putty as you normally would. Once that dries thoroughly, use DENATURED alcohol (found at drug stores) on a soft rag and rub the putty until the seam smoothes out. This technique will not damage surrounding details like planking. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ Order online with Visa & Master card (US only) "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: USS Oakland info needed Hi Paolo, Floating Drydock likely has plans and photos. As for books: Arnold, Glenn R. Warship Perspectives: Atlanta Class Cruisers in World War Two. New York: WRPress, 1998. Terzibatschitsch, Stefan. Cruisers of the U.S. Navy 1922-1962. Annapolis: U.S. Naval Institute Press, 1984. (Has several photos of OAKLAND.) Friedman, Norman. U.S. Cruisers: An Illustrated Design History. Annapolis: U.S. Naval Institute Press, 1984. (The definitive design history; has two good photos of OAKLAND.) You might also want to contact the Oakland Public Library to see if they have photos and other materials, since the ship's mast is on display in Jack London Square in that city. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys http://www.shipcamouflage.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: Deck Edges A technique that might prove useful in this application is one that I picked up from the aircraft modelers and have used with success: Use a gap-filling super glue to slightly over-fill fill the gap. Wait until it has set up, and then apply a dab of super glue "debonder" to a rag and rub it gently over the seam area to remove the excess. You'll probably want to practice on some plastic scrap or an old model. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys http://www.shipcamouflage.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: USS Sims The application of white countershading was not officially specified until the March 1943 revision to Ship-2. While it is unlikely that SIMS used countershading while still wearing her Measure 12 (revised) camouflage, the safest way to be sure is to carefully check photos of the ship. Ship-2 and its various revisions are published verbatim on John Sheridan's USN Camouflage section of our website. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys http://www.shipcamouflage.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Clem Jensen" Subject: Re: Screws There is a place called " The Prop Shop " in England that has almost everything. I understand that they now have a US rep. That's all I know. Do a search or ask around. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "katzcom" Subject: Re: Caroline Hi Ned just to let you know Caroline is one of the nicest people I know both her and Dave (her partner in WEM) are both very helpful and will bend over backwards to see you ok. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Erwin Van Deynze Subject: Fletchers in the Battle of the Atlantic ???? >> Destroyers, from four-pipers (Revell) to Fletcher (lots); DEs (Revell); << Forgive me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know, Fletchers were a rare sight in the Atlantic. USS Lavalette did some duty supporting operation Torch and the only fletcher engaged in extensive service was the USS Caps (DD-550) doing convoy escort duty in '43, returning to the pacific early '44. If you know of any pics of round-bridge ones doing time in the Atlantic, I'd sure like to know, just waiting for an excuse to build the Tamiya fletcher in an atlantic version... Erwin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Bill & Kaja Michaels" Subject: Re: WW2 Kids Toys GrafSpee34@aol.com wrote: >> Further to the recent topic of kids and their apparent disinterest in history, stroll down the action figure aisle at Toys R Us and you might be surprised to see a line of 1:6 and 1:18 scale WW2 soldier figures and equipment, both Axis and Allied. The line has been rapidly expanding since last year. so presumably these things are actually popular with kids despite Playstation and Pokemon. << Actually, these "toys" are aimed at the adult collector market. Same thing with the fancy movie-character Barbie dolls.... Bill and Kaja Michaels -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: TechnoInfidel@webtv.net (John Collins) Subject: Thanks and stuff Greeting all: My thanks to all who responded to my query about the French Navy. I traveled to both. The official Marine Nationale site has lots of information, but I was unable to find any photo gallery. The Net Marine site was much more friendly and had much more esoteric information, like: French Naval Heros, Decommissioned ship gallery--they did have photos of the BB Jean Bart and cruiser Montcalm in mothball, but nothing earlier than Post-War--Songs and traditions, and other fun stuff. Parts of both sites are in English, but deeper inside, a knowledge of french is helpful. In the same vein, is there an historical site of the French Navy? I am looking for visuals of WWII French ships. Specifically, Strassbourg, Georges Leygues, Le Triomphant, Le Terrible (what a great name for a warship). I am currently working on the battlecruiser and caressing the cruiser, which I am sure is illegal in this state. Be well, John Collins Atlanta. GA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Shahriar Khan Subject: Re: kids these days Mr. Mar, I agree with what you said, and you seem much wiser than i. Your words ring quite true right now with the elections going on the fighting in the Balkans and Israel. At one point i just thought that all the fighiting was going on becuase the Arabs were "bad" people. But i've just finished reading a history of the conflict, "O Jerusalem" by Dominique Lapierre, and its obvious how little the gap between all people are and how neither side is to blame for the conflict in Israel. In this modern world with the breakup of the family structure, vionlence on tv, and the age of "Columbine" incidents, history is really important in teaching you how the world really works and to wisen you up. Godspeed! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Bill & Joanne Burns" Subject: Re: Photoetch for Soviet Warships >> Gold Medal Models makes an excellent set of PE for 1/700 Soviet-Russian-CIS warships. Would work very well with the Kombrig MOCKBA or the Skywave kits. << Hi, Do you know how much of the GMM set I would be able to use for a Dragon Sovremenny? I know I'd get railings, but would it have masts or radars for the Sovremenny? I believe this is a generic set that is good for many different classes of ships. Could anybody give a rundown on what's included on the GMM fret and for which classes? TIA, Wm. (Bill) Burns London, Ont. ICQ # 9682543 http://www.ionline.net/~wburns -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: spullig Subject: ORISKANY I live here in Beaumont. This spring a friend from England and I got a boat and went all around the ship. The ships next to her are USNS Ro-Ro ships I IDed and photoed them also. I put a note on the list that we had lots of 35mm pictures [the digital ones did not turn out] that I would scan and put on the site but did not get any response. Still have them. They should be useful to superdetail a model in her last configuration. Samuel W. Pullig Hi, Sam will be scanning the pics shortly & sending them thru next week. Hopefully, (Mike's work schedule permitting) they'll be on the site in the next couple of weeks. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Charlie Jarvis Subject: USS Wisconsin From: dlfowler@apple.com >> I am trying to get together a decal sheet for converting the Tamiya 1/350 modern New Jersey into any of the Gulf War era Iowa Class BBs. So far I have been able to get images of the bridge ribbons and awards of all of the BBs except the USS Wisconsin. I have images of most of the other areas of the ship. Would someone know where I might be able to get ahold of an image of the Whiskey's bridge? I'd greatly appreciate it! << Hi: I didn't have time go through them all, but here are some web pages on USS Wisconsin that I've bookmarked. One of them should have what you're looking for. 1. USS Wisconsin Association http://www.usswisconsin.org/ 2. Battleship Wisconsin Internet Association http://bwia.palacenet.net/ 3. Battleships, Carriers And All Other Warships http://www.warships1.com/ 4. US WWI Battleships and Battlecruisers http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/4289/ Happy hunting. And would you let me know when you have it all put together? Wisconsin at Desert Storm is on my "To Do" list. Charlie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Craig R Bennett Subject: German secret weapons WW2 Hi Guys I recently found an article in Popular Mechanics that indirectly is about ships but space has been touched on before . Back in 1988 I bought a book called German Secret Weapons of World War 2,copyright 1985 by Paladin Books. It's ISBN 0-87364-345-3 on page 51 had an article about flying saucers developed by the Germans. With 3 German and I Italian scientist perfected the sauce at the end of war with the Russian Army capturing the factory and 2 of the 4 scientists. The other two fled to the US/UK Armies. I tried to learn more about it since but found nothing. Until the November 2000 issue of Popular Mechanics has an article and cover story " AIR FORCE'S NUCLEAR FLYING SAUCER"-Recently declassified information may explain decades of UFO sightings. I know this isn't about ships and modeling but I thought that perhaps you would find this interesting to hear. Who knows how many of us have seen something in the night sky and didn't really know what it was? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "Hughes Family" Subject: Revell LHD Wasp Class Since we are on the subject of the gator navy, could anyone give a in box review on the new 1/700 Revell LHD Wasp? I wonder if it is on par with the DML Tarawa kits in terms of details and accessories. I checked the Revell-Germany web site but it does not appear to have any specifics on the kit, just on the ship class. Of course I don't speak/read German so that is just a guess. Anyone out there built one yet or bought one that could lend a clue? Thanks in advance. Jeff Hughes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: Kenneth Perry Subject: Electronic Greyhounds Hello, Does anyone out there know where I can obtain a copy of the out of print book Electronic Greyhounds? Thanks. Ken -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: Allan and Crystal Plumb Subject: Re: ORP Dragon From: "Lars Scharff" >> I want to build the light cruiser ORP Dragon (ex-British) from a 1/400 paper kit (JSC), copied to 1/700. Did somebody knows the exact number and mounts of her 2 cm AA guns at the time of her sinking? Has somebody photos or plans of Dragon in 1944? << "British Cruisers of WWII" by Raven and Roberts says: -- By April 1943: two quadruple pom-poms and eight single 20mm fitted. -- By September 1943: four single 20mm removed, five twin 20mm fitted, one 4in single HA removed, one 6in single removed The photos of Dragon are 1929 and 1930, sorry. >> Are there any useful book (besides Whitley, Morris' Cruisers of the RN and Commonwealth Navies)? << I certainly like the above, and it's been very useful. (Hi, David.) OTOH, it's out of print. I found mine through a helpful SMMLie. Allan Plumb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: stillmo@mb.sympatico.ca Subject: Re: Related threads to the USS Barry Just heard about potential loss of USS BARRY at the WNY. She apparently receives, what was that figure 80,000 visitors every year for a free tour? Gee, if everyone contributed just one sawbuck per head, that could fix her up in drydock ...but then again, we dont know the full extent of all the below the waterline deterioration. RDB -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "c.fiorini" Subject: Cruiser Pola Hi, I'm Cesare from Italy. I'm building the Italian heavy cruiser "Pola" (Zara class). I like know ih somebody has the photos or drawings with the colours of this cruiser. There are the modelers wich have builded the cruiser "Pola"? You can contact me in the list or out of list. Many thanks Cesare -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: TechnoInfidel@webtv.net (John Collins) Subject: Northmen/IPMS in Norcross, Georgia Greeting all: I liked Ned Barnett idea about sharing club info. So here's mine. I am a member of the Northmen/IPMS in Norcross, Georgia (an Atlanta suburb). We meet every Wednesday evening at 7pm the WarRoom hobby shop. We draw about 15-20 of our members to every Wednesday. Total active membership is about 30. No dues, no rules, no politics, just modeling and cameraderie. Meetings last until 9pm when most adjourn to Lupita's for a Modelo Especial and enchiladas. We will host the Region 3 contest again next year--2 February 01, at Meadowcreek HS in Lawrenceville. We had over 800 models entered last year. Ships were well represented. All of you are, of course, invited to come and play in Atlanta. Be well, John Collins Atlanta. GA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Ron Hillsden" Subject: Model Ship Club Display Victoria BC Canada On Oct 21 and 22 the Victoria Model Shipbuilding Society will be displaying their models in the main mall at the Hillside Shopping Centre, Victoria. Most models will be Radio Controlled. The Club's indoor pool will be set up for demonstrations and public use of models the club owns for that purpose. There may even be some paddle boat races for skippers under the age of 6. The purpose is goodwill, education and recruiting. Ron Hillsden Victoria BC Canada Club: http://members.home.net/vmss/ Flags: http://members.home.net/ron-hillsden/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: stillmo@mb.sympatico.ca Subject: IPMS USA NATS/2002 VIRGINIA BEACH How about a James River Photo Tour??? Hello Everyone Just got back from San Francisco Fleet Week Celebrations. In a nutshell, a wonderfull time, shot great photos of CV 64 CONNIE arriving with her entourage of assorted vessels and treated to not one, not two, not three, not four, but five AC catapult launches in full view of the throngs hanging out from the GG Bridge. Special thanks to Kurt Greiner of Seaphoto for everything...and you know what I mean. Toured the Suisan Bay Reserve Fleet the day before, in blue sky weather as part of an organized and planned tour compliments of Norman Freitag of the NCSSMS. Up until the time when the government boat with 15 or more of us packed aboard broke down we were having a smashing time with our cameras and saw many interesting old hulls. So, that being said, I thought that I would, should put the word out now to those of you with power and influence to start planning, organizing, and jumping though the right hoops and channels well ahead, to plan a tour of the James River Reserve Fleet to occur sometime just before or after the upcoming Virginia Beach 2001 IPMS USA national convention. This will not draw great crowds, but I think I can count on ten folks I know who would come aboard for a tour on a government launch, for an hour or so. Lets have a hand count out there to find out just how many today could step up to the boat for a tour (hopefully free, too....) Yours aye, RD Bean -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume