Subject: SMML VOL 1032 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 04:40:17 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Deck Green 2: Re: Electronic Greyhounds 3: Blast Kills Sailors on U.S. Ship in Yemen 4: Kaibokan 5: Bermuda exhibits 6: Re: Hoga 7: Re: INS Pola 8: Re: GREAT Enterprise model 9: Konig Class Damage 10: PC Patrol Craft 11: Re: U.S.S. Indiana BB-1 12: Cole Explosion Death Toll Rises By James Garamone American Forces Press Service 13: ORP Dragon's 20mm outfit 14: Royal Navy Crests 15: Re: Konig Class Battle damage 16: uss chicago 17: Paasche Airbrush 18: NNT Models 19: Link Regarding security In Aden - Terrorist Warnings Ignored 20: Re: USS Cole 21: Jutland Wrecks -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation 1: IPMS Glue Crew -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Chris Rogers Subject: Deck Green Never had a really good formula for this for 1960's-80s but I got one now this is matched to a sample of paint on white styrene and goes like this 2 tins of 88-40%of 1 tin of yellow matt trainer - to 20% of 33 matt black this will give you a matt finish on the deck this is the right colour but in matt and looks great on my 1-72 scale Plymouth chris Oz -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Jhouse652@cs.com Subject: Re: Electronic Greyhounds >> Does anyone out there know where I can obtain a copy of the out of print book Electronic Greyhounds? Thanks. << Ken, I have been looking for this book also. I tried to order it form the Naval Institute Press but it is out of print right now. I did hear that they may be reprinting in the near future. They do have a number of out of print book shops that will search for this book on the used market. Good Luck, John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: Blast Kills Sailors on U.S. Ship in Yemen http://www.nytimes.com/2000/10/13/world/13ATTA.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Cooper, Mike" Subject: Kaibokan Dear SMMLies Before I mess it up...Is the two tone effect seen in photos of Kaibokan just the product of the flare of the bow? I think it is, but it takes some explaining away. Mike Cooper Reading UK (Perhaps the only place in SE England where it's not raining at the moment...yuk!!) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Burl Burlingame / Pacific Monograph Subject: Bermuda exhibits I believe there is also a version of the Beebe-Barton bathysphere on display at the aquarium there. Burl Burlingame Pacific Monograph, 1124 Kahili Street, Kailua HI 96734 808-263-6087 buzz@aloha.net A historical interpretation company. Visit our web sites at http://www.PacificHistory.com/ and http://www.PacificHistory.net "He's supposed to be dead. This is vexing. I am terribly vexed." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: Hoga I'm quite sure that HOGA had sisters, but none of my ready references individually list that class. In looking, however, I stumbled over a couple of interesting entries. In the Second War Edition (1944) of Ships and Aircraft of the U.S. Fleet, under miscellaneous unclassified vessels there is listed, "AMERICA, racing yacht, relic." Given her end, it was a bit poignant to notice that. And in the 1965 edition of the same publication, I noticed that the Navy at that time included USS GILLIGAN. I wonder if the crew manned the rail and sang the theme when entering and leaving port....? John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys http://www.shipcamouflage.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "J. London" Subject: Re: INS Pola Further to John Rule's posting the Zara Class, in common with many Italian cruisers (and battleships), had only the quarterdeck in wood. The other decks were painted steel. The artwork in Orizzonte Mare 5/II and 5/III which cover the class suggests a pinkish shade which could be interpreted as red lead, while photographs seem to indicate a darker color, probably gray. In Pola's case the wood deck ran aft from a point in line with the forward edge of the aft rangefinder. IMHO Italian naval architects of this period produced some really beautiful looking ships. Michael London -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: GREAT Enterprise model For those of wanting to build the Tamiya Enterprise, get a look at the new posting of photos on the Warship site. The air wing is absolutely amazing! How many times have you noticed the a/c on a carrier model before you notice the ship? It's an absolutely beautiful model. http://warship.simplenet.com/what's.htm Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ Order online with Visa & Master card (US only) "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Roger/Sharon Torgeson" Subject: Konig Class Damage Fred, Try and find the book 'Jutland, An Analysis of the Battle' by John Campbell. My copy was published by the Naval Institute and the ISBN number is 0-87021-324-5. The book has everything you need, number of hits, damage and time of day for both sides. There were a number of very lucky ship including HMS Malaya who, if not for some quick action by two of the crew, very likely would have had a major 15 inch magazine explosion. Roger torgeson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: GrafSpee34@aol.com Subject: PC Patrol Craft Bill wrote: >> PC Patrol Craft of World War II -- A History of the Ships and Their Crews. Details of the book's contents can be seen at: www.astralpublishing.com << I obtained a copy of this book, it is great and includes super detail drawings and a fold out plan in the back. Well worth the dough! Cheers Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Kevin W. Woodruff" Subject: Re: U.S.S. Indiana BB-1 David: The only plans with which I am familiar are of the USS Oregon. They can be had from The Oregon Maritime Center and Museum 113 SW Naito Parkway Portland, Oregon, USA 97204 (503)224-7724 fax (503)224-7767 A view of the plans can be had at the USS Oregon Homepage at: http://members.tripod.com/~ussoregon/MainMenu.html Kevin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Robert J. Bartolacci" Subject: Cole Explosion Death Toll Rises By James Garamone American Forces Press Service Cole Explosion Death Toll Rises By James Garamone American Forces Press Service (EXCERPT) WASHINGTON, Oct. 13, 2000 -- Three more sailors have died in an apparent terrorist attack against the USS Cole in Aden, Yemen. This brings the death toll to seven. Ten more sailors are missing. The Navy has identified those killed or missing. While not confirming a terrorist attack, Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Vern Clark said he can’t imagine what else could have caused the damage. Cohen said that while the United States could not definitively prove terrorism, “If … we determine that terrorists attacked our ship and killed our sailors, then we will not rest until we have tracked down those who are responsible for this vicious and cowardly act.” Cohen extended his sympathies to the families of those killed, missing or wounded in the incident. “All Americans can be proud of the men and women who protect our country around the world,” he said during a Pentagon news conference. “The world is safer because of their service, and their dedication to our ideals of freedom and security makes their loss even more painful.” The 35 sailors injured in the incident have all been medically evacuated, Navy officials said. French transports evacuated 11 sailors to a hospital in Djibouti. The other 22 are being evacuated to a Landstuhl Army Hospital in Germany. The search is still underway for the sailors listed as missing in the explosion. An FBI team is on its way to Aden. “The team consists of evidence collection experts, investigators and forensics experts,” said Steven Barry, supervisory special agent in the FBI’s National Press Office. The agents come from field offices, headquarters and the FBI Academy in Quantico, Va. Barry said the team would be able to assess whether the incident was an act of terrorism. The FBI team will work with agents from the Naval Investigative Service. The FBI Legal Attache based in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia is also on the site. “Three P-3 Orion’s with medical personnel, Explosive Ordnance disposal specialists and Navy investigators are in Yemen to begin to determine a cause for the incident,” Navy officials said. Navy officials said flooding aboard the ship is contained, and the Cole is listing to port at 4 degrees. Two Navy ships are en route to Aden and expect to arrive there Oct. 13. The CNO said the Cole followed all security procedures when it arrived in Yemen. “Their threat condition posture was threat condition Bravo,” Clark said during a Pentagon news conference Oct. 12. “I have talked to the [commander Fifth Fleet in Bahrain] a number of times today and reviewed the bidding on this, and they were in the posture that they were required to be in for this threat condition and entering this port, which would include armed personnel topside.” U.S. ships have refueled in Aden 12 times in past year, Navy officials said. Cohen said the attack would not stop the United States from its search for peace in the region. “The United States is a global power with global responsibilities, and as a result, we face global risks,” he said. “In the wake of this tragedy, I want to be very clear about one point. We will continue to protect our national interests around the world, in the Middle East, and elsewhere. No one should doubt our resolve to remain a force for peace and for stability, and no one should assume that they can force us to retreat. No one should assume they can attack us with impunity.” Brooke Rowe Associate Librarian The American War Library www.americanwarlibrary.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Lars Scharff" Subject: ORP Dragon's 20mm outfit Allan Plump wrote: >> "British Cruisers of WWII" by Raven and Roberts says: -- By April 1943: two quadruple pom-poms and eight single 20mm fitted. -- By September 1943: four single 20mm removed, five twin 20mm fitted, one 4in single HA removed, one 6in single removed << Whitley says the same in the chapter about the Danae-Class, but he writes in chapter about the Polish cruisers: '...the 20 mm outfit altered to four twin and four single.' I have only two photos of Dragon in 1944, one in Whitley (p. 201) and one from a Polish website (sorry, forget the address). They are both not clear enough. The photo in Whitley shows one (?) twin mount aft. On the platforms beside the ore funnel are two single Oerlikons. But it's not clear, where the pom-pom directors are. On the other photos the twin mounts beside the bridge are visible. Where are the other two twin mounts and two single mounts? Two besides the main mast, but which? Can somebody help me with the exact number and location of 20 mm mounts? Lars -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Wannsee" Subject: Royal Navy Crests Hi Guys First a big "Thank you" to everybody who sent details of the Montclare's crest to me I can now get on and paint it!! My next question is: What is the correct colour detail for the RN crown and surround details of this and other crests? I have several crests and they all differ. Back to models does anybody have any links to photos of WW1 Portugese ships or later? Many thanks again for a GREAT LIST and to those who host it Regards Martin Foley mailto:naval@wannsee.co.za -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: edger1 Subject: Re: Konig Class Battle damage Fred, I just (Monday) picked up a great book by LYONS PRESS titled: Jutland an analysis of the fighting, by John Campbell ISBN 1-55821-759-2. It retails here in the USA for $22.95. At Half Price Books it was $5.95. IT covers all classes of ships at the battle and goes over specific hits on the KONIG and other capital ships of both sides. Very detailed damage assesments and many drawings of the path of shells through the ships. Dry but a great reference for WWI buffs. Dave E. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: EBENCARL89@aol.com Subject: uss chicago hello, can someone help me? i'm starting the guided missile cruiser, USS CHICAGO does anyone know of books i can get at the library or web sites with color pictures of the ship ?? thanks for your help, Ed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Robert and Janis Leonti Subject: Paasche Airbrush I was given two Type H Paasche air brushes in good condition and would like to know how modellers like them for finishing their models. What number tips are commonly used, and what pressure ranges are preferred. Any comments would be greatly appreciated. I have no experience using air brushes. Thanks in advance, Bob Leonti -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "leigh crutchley" Subject: NNT Models Thanks everyone for the information about NNT models. Have gone to their website. Does anyone else have trouble getting on to the English version of the site? Regards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "Robert J. Bartolacci" Subject: Link Regarding security In Aden - Terrorist Warnings Ignored http://www.msnbc.com/news/476327.asp?cp1=1#BODY -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "Ken Goldman" Subject: Re: USS Cole Peacetime is not a condition, alas, but a dream. The crew of the USS COLE daily helps to keep that dream alive. Their sacrifice is appreciated and will be remembered in our prayers. Ken Goldman THE WALRUS AND THE CARPENTER unique wood sculpture and fine scale models www.walruscarpenter.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: IBea351423@aol.com Subject: Jutland Wrecks Video now out which shows wrecks of Invincible, Queen Mary and Black Prince. Also new video available about H.M.S. Affray, the last British sub. lost at sea. Details from: www.navybooks.com Ian Beattie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: peter samolinski Subject: IPMS Glue Crew Hi Shane: I would like to plug IPMS Glue Crew ("Glue Sniffin' Fools with Little Sticky Tools"): we meet on the 1st Thursday of the month at 7:00PM at the Moose Lodge on E. Jelinek Ave. in the Wausau, Wis. suburb of Weston. More info may be obtained by calling Pete at 715-675-2085. Along with that, we're hosting a contest on October 21st from 10:00AM to 5:00PM at Wausau's National Guard Armory at 17th Ave. & Sherman St. And I'll tell you now that I know there will be a definate dearth of ship models! C'mon guys & girls, it's a gorgeous time of year here, and any and all SMMLies in Northern Illinois, Eastern Minnesota, the U.P. & Wisconsin ought to come and spend a great day here! Thanks Shane! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume