Subject: SMML VOL 1037 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 00:02:33 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: ENIGMA & VICTORS shop London 2: David Parkin's flower sets ... 3: Re: Hunley Program 4: Re: Marine-one 5: John & Caroline 6: Re: German Secret Weapons 7: Re: Caroline and John's engagement 8: Book on the Prince of Wales & Repulse loss 9: Sink the Hunley 10: Re: Corvette fittings sets 11: CW USN light AA PE 12: VH-3 / Caroline and John 13: WRPRESS Camouflage Book 14: Re: Cole 15: JAG Sturgeons and/or pre-WWII Japanese BBs 16: Re: Refueling In The Middle East 17: CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! . . .Manchester class 18: THE RAISING OF THE HUNLEY (2) 19: Re: Mikasa 20: Re: Caroline and John's engagement 21: Nichimo Yamato parts 22: Multiple POM POM Gun 23: Re: Mikasa!! 24: Re: Nupital site 25: USS Cole Crew Donation Program 26: SITREP USS Cole -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation 1: Re: Frisco SMMLcon 2001 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: New from Tom's Modelworks 2: Good Books for Sale -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: john.baumann@talk21.com Subject: Re: ENIGMA & VICTORS shop London Update: The missing Enigma machine has since been recovered, minus its vital encoding rotor drums, when BBC News presenter Jeremy Paxman received it via parcel post. It had apparently lain in his Office for several days. A Bletchley Park director is due to collect it today. Since I advised a visitor to check out the model railway shop called Victors of London, I can now advise that it no longer exist, seems the premises has closed due to loss of the shop lease. John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Colin Ritchie Subject: David Parkin's flower sets ... Hopefully David should have them at the UK IPMS nationals this weekend , so I'll be able to post something about them on Monday or so. That's after spending some time this weekend congratulating CC and her prospective groom at the show. I'm taking a group of 9 modellers from my local club here in Aberdeen to the Nationals, (a round trip of 1200+ miles,), so wish me luck......... Colin Ritchie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: GrafSpee34@aol.com Subject: Re: Hunley Program >> I grade the show a D-. << I agree with Ken. It was an attempt at making a one hour show out of 5 seconds of footage of the actual Hunley (I had the same beef with Jurassic Park, 10 mins of dinosaurs, 2 hours of lame acting). From the glimpse I saw, however, the raised Hunley did appear to be more slender than the usual artist's renditions, and will make an attractive subject to model once all the data is published. Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: John Maze Subject: Re: Marine-one >> I just I'm going to get flack for this but, with all you great modelers out just maybe someone can answer this question? Having, Just bought a 1\48 scale UH-3H Sea~King ^ VIP Transporter, I know, its not the same as the "US Marine One" used at the "White House" there is not one for sale, in any scale, that even looks like the real "US Marine One", But My Question, is were can one get decals saying United State of America w\ a US flag with,,,, or two, their are no name's on the Sikorsky Helicopter, saying {Marine One}its the name the Secret Service,& State Dept.plus everyone else,{ie} USMC, gave the helio, and now its public Information, just like "AirForce One" & VP-one, can anyone?, put me in touch with someone who makes decals like that? << Robert, Superscale has decals for the VH-53's that were used for Marine-One (which is the name applied to whichever aircraft the President boards - not always the same bird). You'll have to build it with the doors shut since the interior layouts are a State secret. I know a VH-60 crew (they're both in IPMS) and they are sworn to secrecy on the bird's specs and equipment/interior layout. (Boo-hoo, I really wanted to give my models an interior; OTOH, they say you really can't see much of it from outside, anyway.) The VH-3 is a standard Navy H-3 with the anti-sub and SAR gear deleted. Not much to change on a kit. VH-53 is a USMC H-53 with no external changes. VH-60 appears similar to USA/USAF H-60's but is the navalised (SH-60) airframe with a weather radar radome similar to what the USCG uses on their H-60's. Of course, all have interior changes (amenities and bullet/shrapnel/hi-G landing protection) added with IR suppression and countermeasures added in more recent years (definitely to -53's and -60's). Or so I've heard and read - obviously, can't be confirmed by anyone who REALLY knows due to the secrecy laws. A lot of what I've written came from AvLeak (AW&ST) and other magazines. JohnM (BTW we've just been eavesdropped on by the SS, since we wrote a trigger word. Hi,guys!) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: John & Caroline Bradford wrote: >> I suppose that the wedding presents will have to be ship kits and accessories... << This raises questions: Where will their bridal registry be, Pacific Front? Will the china pattern be in colo(u)rs of Haze Gray and Light Mountbatten Pink? Congratulations to John and Caroline! Ed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Subject: Re: German Secret Weapons >> I will admit that I DID know that the B2 was flying around with an onboard reactor, Agent Mulder mentioned it to me last time we were out at Area 51. << Tom, Are YOU a member of the non-existant Lumber Cartel???? Kevin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: louellet@uism.bu.edu Subject: Re: Caroline and John's engagement Mike Settle wrote: >> Considering the two we are talking about, I suppose there is no question that the ceremonies will have to take place aboard ship. I can hear the pre-nuptial arguments now, will it be HMS or USS? << You can come back to the USS Salem for that wedding ceremony, but it won't be the first on board. Our own John Frohock was married aboard before we were even open to the public. >> Congratulations, John and Caroline. << My congratulations too! Larry Ouellette louellet@uism.bu.edu Volunteer, USS Salem (CA 139) United States Naval Shipbuilding Museum Quincy, Massachusetts USA http://www.uss-salem.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: VONJERSEY@aol.com Subject: Book on the Prince of Wales & Repulse loss I just found this book, "Battleship: The Loss of the Prince of Wales and the Repulse" by Martin Middlebrook and Patrick Mahoney, at a local used book store and it is a great account of what is essentially the death of the supremacy of the battleship, and the confirmation of Billy Mitchell's theories. Mind you it is nonetheless a sad story. But as gripping of any account of pearl harbor. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Burl Burlingame / Pacific Monograph Subject: Sink the Hunley Gosh, Ken gave the "Raise the Hunley" show a D-. I liked it MUCH better and would rate it a D -- primarily due to some nifty graphics near the beginning of CSS Pioneer and others, which, naturally, they obscured behind animated "water" overlays. Even more curious was the complete omission of Civil War submarine historians Mark Ragan and William Still. Burl Burlingame Pacific Monograph, 1124 Kahili Street, Kailua HI 96734 808-263-6087 buzz@aloha.net A historical interpretation company. Visit our web sites at http://www.PacificHistory.com/ and http://www.PacificHistory.net "He's supposed to be dead. This is vexing. I am terribly vexed." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Corvette fittings sets >> I hope that those who have taken the plunge and purchased these detail kits will report back to us on the quality and ease of use etc. I for one await news of these long awaited kits with interest. According to David Parkin they are intended to build the complete corvette minus the hull, rudder, screws and funnel! A museum quality model should emerge........... << Yes, as I am planning to take the plunge, I'd like to hear some reviews. If anything like the set he produced for the 1/32 scale revell AH-64 Apache copter, it should be a home run! Perhaps if anyone runs unto David at the UK IPMS, you can twist his arm to post some photos of the sets on his site. Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "A. H. Lindstrom" Subject: CW USN light AA PE Anyone know if the 50 caliber singles included on Classic Warships new 1/700 USN light AA PE fret are the water-cooled or aircooled variety? Thought for a minute I would be able to go to the SMML convention next April on the Hornet since its only 20 miles away, but a little checking revealed that I'm already committed to being in the U.S Virgin Islands that weekend. Maybe some day. Alan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Jodie Peeler Subject: VH-3 / Caroline and John hello all.... Robert Fish wrote: >> Having, Just bought a 1\48 scale UH-3H Sea~King ^ VIP Transporter, I know, its not the same as the "US Marine One" used at the "White House" there is not one for sale, in any scale, that even looks like the real "US Marine One", But My Question, is were can one get decals saying United State of America w\ a US flag with,,,, or two, their are no name's on the Sikorsky Helicopter, saying {Marine One}its the name the Secret Service,& State Dept.plus everyone else,{ie} USMC, gave the helio, and now its public Information, just like "AirForce One" & VP-one, can anyone?, put me in touch with someone who makes decals like that? << From a friend who *knows* such things and has considered it: converting any SH-3 kit into any VH-3 (aside from those used in the JFK administration) is a barrel of pain. Aside from the obvious -- the deletion of the big sliding door (which would be a real pain on the Hasegawa kit), the addition of all the antennae and special equipment -- there's also the fact that the Marines at Quantico are not too keen on folks taking detail photos of the helicopter. Even the interior configuration is said to be closely guarded (why?). According to him, it's been considered, and it's not as easy as one might think, hence why no conversion set or decals are available. Unless it's something you absolutely *must* do, there are easier fun conversions you can do with this kit -- put short sponsons on it (from Belcher Bits) and build an early SH-3 from it. Doing a VIP conversion of this kit, especially with that big door molded into the fuselage, would require a LOT of surgery.... BTW, congratulations to Caroline and John! jodie (who hopes to announce her own engagement, to another SMML member, before too terribly much longer) http://www.mindspring.com/~raisingirl/ Hi Jodie, Not fair tempting us like that :-((. Just who is the lucky person - enquiring minds now want to know ;-)). Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: WRPRESS Camouflage Book Hi all Just received the WRPRESS camouflage book and I give it a six out of ten must try harder. I can't comment on most of the schemes but I can comment on the Js and Ks as I am in the process of writing a full history of the class for Chatham Publishing. Briefly there is a lot missing. Do not whatever you do rely on the section on Mountbatten Pink it has no relation to reality and the author would have benefited from some basic research. He states that Mountbatten Pink was introduced in late summer 1940 and then lists Khartoum, Kingston, Kandahar and Kimberley as carrying this scheme. Wrong all 4 ships had joined the 14th Flotilla in May 1940 and were in the Red Sea NOT part of the 5th Flotilla. Having seen photos of Kandahar and Khartoum in the Red Sea, they were not carrying Mountbatten Pink. Khartoum in fact was sunk in June 1940 well before Mountbatten Pink is supposed to have been introduced. Nizam is also listed as carrying Mountbatten Pink which is not correct she was never part of the 5th Flotilla but joined the 7th and went with Napier to the Mediterranean almost immediately after completion of her working up when she was in a dark hull light upperworks scheme. Moving on to the illustrated camouflage schemes several of contain errors and mistakes - Kingston is inaccurate, as are both the illustrations of Kimberley and the second Janus colour scheme. Javelin shows a much later scheme (which is drawn incorrectly) not 1940 as she is carrying a Type 290 & 285 radar outfit in photographs and a full compliment of Oerlikons. She was the first of the 5th Flotilla to get a Type 286. During 1940 she wore AP507B and then a dark hull light upper works scheme (the one she was torpedoed in). With Jupiter partial photos exist of the port side, enough to show that there was some variation in the upper works. However, this was not Jupiter's Mediterranean camouflage scheme which was different. I hope to illustrate my book with photos which show clearly as many of the camouflage schemes as possible. To be frank I was disappointed particularly with the section on Mountbatten Pink. I know from my own research that camouflage is difficult and finding photos are not easy but some simple research would have avoided these mistakes. As I have mentioned above I cannot comment on the rest of the schemes but some mention of Ivanhoe as possibly the first destroyer to be camouflaged would have been useful as well. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Craig R Bennett Subject: Re: Cole Hi Guys Recently on the tv news was interview with a mother of one the USS COLE survivors. She said that her son after the explosion with two other sailors tried to save a petty officer with first aid and CPR, he also was wounded and was in Norfolk Va.Interestingly both were from same area just west of Philadelphia. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Poutre, Joseph A" Subject: JAG Sturgeons and/or pre-WWII Japanese BBs Hi all! First, congratulations and felicitations to the happy couple! May you have many years of happiness together. (As long as it doesn't interfere too much with making ship model kits. :-) Now, marriage is fun, but you have to compromise and share, so I suggest you divvy up the workbench space equally, and agree to share the modelling tools. It works with my and my wife. (She does scrapbooks, a dollhouse, and someday model trains. Well, the last two we'll do together, but we share our tools. Mostly mine. :-) And now my questions to all: First: The Big Project needs a submarine that can fire SubHarpoon. Since the photo shows only the periscope, and the article only mentions that a sub was present, I get to choose between a Sturgeon and an LA. Has anyone out there build the JAG Sturgeon? What's it like? How does it build up? Second: Can one of you point me to a good reference for pre-WWII Japanese warships? I have a Mutsu that I'd like to backdate to sometime in the early 30s, and a couple DDs to escort her. I have the issue of Plastic Ship Modeler that give some info on Japanese DDs. Thanks to all, Joe Poutre http://www.bb62museum.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: James Corley Subject: Re: Refueling In The Middle East >> Both Bahrain and DG are a bit of a haul given the extent of underwater damage. I'd read a story last week that the BLUE MARLIN, a heavy-lift ship that was leased by the Navy to carry mine warfare ships to the Persian Gulf, may be able to carry a DDG as well. << Yeah, I thought of that, and upon further research, the closest US drydock is at Guam or Pearl!! I looked into the Flo-Flo we have ... able to lift the ship but the well isn't long enough, the COLE would have to sit sideways. Not too stable, a 500' ship resting across a 135' hull. And there might be unknown structural problems. Just goes to show that we need facilites a little closer to an area where we have a contsant force present. We have had 4 large units damaged in the Arabian littorals in the last 13 years or so. Seems like moving an AFDM or AFDB left in place in the theater would be a good thing. Manning is not a problem, since they are unmanned except in use (no crew assigned). As to underwater hull damage, we used to use underwater welding equipment to patch things up so the ship could steam or be towed to a base. Have we lost that capability in the last few years ... not enough $$ to train and retain welders? JZ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: GUSDOCVILL@aol.com Subject: CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! . . .Manchester class WOW!! Carolina & John!! Lord! what blessed news!!! I pray that Caroline doesn't leave WEM! Lord bless you both with peace, joy & happiness forever!!! Need help!!! LONG ago, had letter stating that Manchester class were going to be fitted with the hull strengthening strake & bow spray shields. Having no reference to confirm this, looking for someone to set me straight with my current plans - to make Edinburgh & York with strakes & bow spray shields, & the first w/o these. Thank you all for your help & assistance. Gus Semper Fi -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "DUCKMAN" Subject: THE RAISING OF THE HUNLEY (2) For any of ya'll interested in tha C.S.S. Hunley, this site will be of interest. howz my typin coming? daviD http://www.wcsc.com/hunley/hunley.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Marc Flake Subject: Re: Mikasa Richard: The Seals Models Mikasa is beautiful. It's molded as crisply as the best Skywave ships. No flash at all on my kit. In many cases, the parts virtually snapped together. For example, the deck fits into the hull without a trace of a gap. The only gripe I had is that the instructions are in Japanese and it can be difficult to figure out which parts go with which version. I've read a review that criticised the smaller gunds as being ovesize (you could say the same about the Skywave kits). The kit comes with lots of extras that will probably be used on future pre-dreadnought kits. You could even use them on Modelkrak ships. I don't have any of the Modelkraks, but I can't imagine them being better than this little jewel. Marc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Mike Settle Subject: Re: Caroline and John's engagement >> It'll be HMS - afterall the bride always gets to choose the venue for the "ritual manacling" ;-). Shane Ducking for cover real fast Too late, I saw it !!!! Mistress Lorna << Wow! Not only are SMMLies going to get to attend a shipboard wedding, but we're going to have a burial at sea, too. ;-þ Mike Settle I am not agent #1908 of the non-existent Lumber Cartel (tinlc)tm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: mmm@nwlink.com (Michael Wilson) Subject: Nichimo Yamato parts Dear SMML; Would you know where to purchase parts packet #2 for Nichimo Yamato 1:200 scale. Got this kit as a gift with this part packet missing. Can't find any source for address of Nichimo or anyone that could sell part packet Tried all hobby shops in my area (Seattle). thanks Michael Wilson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "MARITIME MUSEUM of CRETE" Subject: Multiple POM POM Gun We are interested in plans, photographs or anything else that could provide us some help with the building of a pom pom gun. We are giong to place it on a ship model of the HUND type. Thank You in advance. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: Minadmiral@aol.com Subject: Re: Mikasa!! >> I just found that Seals Model is producing a 1/700 injection molded plastic Mikasa: Togo's flagship at Tsushima. I have read a couple of articles saying that the model is one of the finest 1/700 non-Resins ever produced. << Hi; Who carries Seals Models? Price? Chuck Duggie WoodenWalls Listmeister Naval wargamer, amateur naval historian, and ship modeler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: Minadmiral@aol.com Subject: Re: Nupital site >> Considering the two we are talking about, I suppose there is no question that the ceremonies will have to take place aboard ship. I can hear the pre-nuptial arguments now, will it be HMS or USS? << HMS Victory HMS Belfast ( more in line with this list but not as photogenic) Chuck Duggie WoodenWalls Listmeister Naval wargamer, amateur naval historian, and ship modeler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "Robert J. Bartolacci" Subject: USS Cole Crew Donation Program http://www.navy.mil Donation Information for the crew of USS Cole (DDG 67) Mailing address: Navy-Marine Corps Relief Society 801 North Randolph Street, Suite 1228 Arlington, VA 22203-1978 Please make checks out to Navy-Marine Corps Relief Society. Make memo on check: "For USS Cole" Thank you for your support to the crew and families of USS Cole. Ken Cook Chief Gunner's Mate US Navy (Ret) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: "Robert J. Bartolacci" Subject: SITREP USS Cole Author: LT Landry/SH60 Pilot "It wasn't until a few days ago though, that we started doing something that I feel may be the first thing I've seen in my short Naval career that has truly made a difference. Right now we're supporting the USS COLE and her crew in Aden. When the attack occurred we were a day away. Just by luck we happened to be on our way out of the Gulf and headed towards the Suez and could get here in a relatively short amount of time. I know what you all have seen on CNN, because we have seen it too. I just want you all to know that what you see doesn't even scratch the surface. I'm not going to get into it for obvious reasons. But I will tell you that right now there are 250+ sailors just a few miles away living in hell on Earth. I'm sitting in a nice air conditioned state room, they're sleeping out on the decks at night. You can't even imagine the conditions they're living in, and yet they are still fighting 24 hours a day to save their ship and free the bodies of those still trapped and send them home. As bad as it is, they're doing an incredible job. The very fact that these people are still functioning is beyond my comprehension. Whatever you imagine as the worst, multiply it by ten and you might get there. Today I was tasked to photo rig the ship and surrounding area. It looked so much worse than I had imagined, unbelievable really, with debris and disarray everywhere, the ship listing, the hole in her side. I wish I had the power to relay to you all what I have seen, but words just won't do it. I do want to tell you the first thing that jumped out at me - the Stars and Stripes flying. I can't tell you how that made me feel...even in this God forsaken hell hole our flag was more beautiful than words can describe. Then I started to notice the mass of activity going on below, scores of people working non-stop in 90 plus degree weather to save this ship. They're doing it with almost no electrical power and they're sleeping (when they can sleep) outside on the decks because they can't stand the smell or the heat or the darkness inside. They only want to eat what we bring them because they're all scared of eating something brought by the local vendors. Even with all that, the USS COLE and her crew is sending a message guys, and it's that even acts of cowardice and hate can do nothing to the spirit and pride of the United States. I have never been so proud of what I do, or of the men and women that I serve with as I was today. There are sixteen confirmed dead sailors who put it on the line for all of us, and some of them are still trapped here. Please take a minute to pray for their families and say a word of thanks for their sacrifice - one made so that we can live the lives that we do. All of you that serve with me, thank you. All of you that have loved ones that serve, thank you." Please feel free to pass this on to those you think will appreciate it. V/R LT Landry" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Frisco SMMLcon 2001 >> Following our meeting last weekend it is official - the USS Hornet will be hosting the SMML Conference 2001 on April 20, 21, and 22. In in conjunction with the conference, the local IPMS chapter will be holding a contest aboard the Hornet on the 22nd. The tentative schedule is: << Sounds like a winner, I'm marking my calendar. I will warn you however that you guys on the left coast have bog shoes to fill as SMML-Con II Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Tom & Carolyn Harrison" Subject: New from Tom's Modelworks 1/700 scale detailing set for the Bismarck / Tirpitz kits. This set contains radars, catapults, half etched hanger doors etc. for both kits. it also includes rail set 704. As with our matching 1/350 and 1/400 sets the radars cover the types used on both ships, the catapults can be represented closed, open or extended, the bridge wings in both the Bismarck and Tirpitz designs and the hanger doors designed to fit the kit parts. You can see set 733 on our web site www.tomsmodelworks.com Set 733 sells for $12. this set allows the modeler to build both kits from one set. Shipping free to SMML members and is available either directly from us 408-777-8667 or Pacific Front Hobbies. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Good Books for Sale Hi, I have the following for sale: 1) "HMS Pepperpot! The Penelope in World War Two" by Ed Gordon. 1985. Dust jacket and clear cover, is ex-library, otherwise very good condition. This is the book that has photos of the Penelope in the brown and white camouflage pattern in Norway in 1940. $42 plus shipping. 2) "Model Art Warship Colour" Guide. 2000. New condition. Lots of photographs of ships in camouflage (IJN, German, and Allied), line drawings of ships with camouflage patterns, and a tear-out page with seven IJN colors. 112 pages. $24 plus shipping. 3) "Destroyer Man" by Rear-Admiral Pugsley & Donald McIntyre. 1957. 223 pages. No dust jacket, but book is in very good condition other than a 1-in. wide brownish strip on the inside cover. Photographs and maps. In World War II, Pugsley commanded the Javelin, Fearless, Palladin, and Jervis, among others. $19 plus shipping. If interested, please let me know within three days from the day this post appears. Thanks, Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume