Subject: SMML VOL 1041 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:50:45 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: WW11 RN Ships Still afloat 2: Old Pharts and brass... 3: Tiger class Cruisers 4: New book out --PRE-DREADNOUGHT ALERT! 5: ICM web site address 6: USE THE SCROLL KEY 7: Re: Hunley 8: Type 42 and 1:350 models 9: HMS King George V References 10: Re: CW Book surevy 11: Re: Classic Warships Book's 12: Re: WW2 Ships Still Afloat 13: Re: Ship Identification 14: Re: What books should I produce next? 15: New Use for old tea-bags 16: USS Cole and Modeler's Photos 17: Yamato 18: Sub models 19: Tiger class pennant numbers 20: U-571 Redux 21: USAF Flying Saucers 22: Re: Books to do next -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation 1: UK Scale Model World -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: RN injected 1/700 cruiser kits 2: Latest SMML site upload 3: Graf Zeppelin Air Wing Group -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Bob Pearson" Subject: Re: WW11 RN Ships Still afloat There was recently a Fairmile ML up for sale here.. It had been converted to allow the present owner to live onboard. Bob Pearson Prince Rupert, BC, Canada Where the wind and rain has started for the next 4 months or so -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Chris Hughes" Subject: Old Pharts and brass... Hi Shane, Yes, I offered the immortal greeting "Hello Sailor" to John Snyder and received a warm handshake in return! What a nice guy and I'm sure that he and Caroline will have a happy future together. Problem with my Lutzow... On close examination, the kit appears to be from a collection and had already been started. Some items were missing, including one of the main turrets! I have the option to carry on or give it back to the vendor - who has offered to take it back.. He's a good bloke, so I have no problem there... I may just try casting another turret and ploughing on. Until then, the brass can wait. BTW, I picked up a pristine Big E for GBP 90! I can now use my second-hand kit for a conversion project, once we have a resin "Beehive". Chris -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Graham Walker" Subject: Tiger class Cruisers Lion C34, Blake C99 and Tiger C20. hope this helps. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Marc Flake Subject: New book out --PRE-DREADNOUGHT ALERT! Skimmed through a new book at Borders yesterday "War at Sea in the Age of Ironclads." Looks pretty good, but I didn't have the cash to buy it. First impressions: First part of the book details the evolution of the warship from American Civl War ironclads to the pre-dreadnoughts. Looks like there's some discussion of the need for a change in tactics from sail to steam. The second part examines the actual wars and battels of the period. This book covers much the same territory that's in Southworth's "War at Sea, Age of Steam, Volume One," but it has oodles more pictures and diagrams -- some older pictures and prints I've never seen and many in color, too. Ever seen the photograph of the Victoria going down after its collision with Camperdown? It's here. There's also a step-by-step diagram of the manuevers that led to the infamous collision and detailed narrative about them. Other diagrams show not only famous battles, but also the disposition of ships doing shore bombardmen at places like Alexandria. The volume even includes "bird's-eye views" of famous battles like Lissa and Tsushima. All this for a cover price of $29.95 (lower at borders.com and elsewhere). I WILL be buying this book next payday. Marc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "feed" Subject: ICM web site address Hello SMMlies: I am looking for the ICM Website address. Any help would be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance FEED -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: USE THE SCROLL KEY >> Can't we just stop this current thread regarding the Hunley programme? It really isn't productive. << Here we go again! A subject someone's not interested in and they cry and moan about it. USE THE SCROLL KEY IF YOU'RE NOT INTERESTED!!! Man I can't count how many threads occur here that I'm not interested in. So I scroll past them. I don't cry and moan about it. Geeeeeeesh! This isn't written in anger. I just wanted to point out there is a very simple solution to your problem Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ Order online with Visa & Master card (US only) "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: GrafSpee34@aol.com Subject: Re: Hunley Frank writes: >> Serisouly (sic) though, can we just drop this rather stupid thread << Obviously, threads appear because the subject has become a topic of interest to list members who wish to discuss that topic in an open forum. It is not constructive to demand members to stop discussing something that interests them and is ship related. If you find a topic "stupid," remain calm and scroll past it. This list is a community. The listmaster will intervene when threads become nonsensical. D -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Stuart Robottom Subject: Type 42 and 1:350 models Greetings to all. I read with interest the Type 42 discussion. This may be going over ground already covered, but Edinburgh was to be fitted with lightweight Sea Wolf missile launchers, where the Phalanx are fitted on her sisterships. She would then have had the most completely layered AAW system in the RN. Note that during her time with one Phalanx she had two twin 20mm mounts fitted, and these were replaced by the Phalanx. It is enough of a difference, with the bow strakes, to make her stand out amongst her sisterships, even in 1:700. Seconly, I have a decision to make regarding a gift. Tamiya, 1:350: Bismark or King George V. Which is the 'better' kit in terms of accuracy or ease of rectifying errors? Which looks best on the shelf? This kit will most likely be built 'out of the box'. Regards, Stuart Robottom http://www.deakin.edu.au/~robottom/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Shahriar Khan Subject: HMS King George V References Hello, Can anyone recommend any good KGV references? At the moment i am in the middle of building the Heller KGV. What type of details were on the fighting top? and superstructure? Does anyone make RN WWII 1/400 resin upgrades? Thanks! Godspeed. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Craig R Bennett Subject: Re: CW Book surevy Hi This is for Steve Wiper on producing books on warships. I like your books so why not for the moment stick to what is being made as models. It's handy to have a book that deals specifically with a topic instead of searching your entire library. Only finding a couple of pictures. Cover the USN first. Nobody has ever given the prewar carrier force any attention to modeler details. Like say prewar markings such as their letters of ID or the flight markings and their camo jobs after Pearl Harbor or for 1942. Nice choices for topics. I'm looking forward to the Yorktown class book and I wish I had that book right now on the Lexington class for my Saratoga I'm working on. Though I do have Robert Stern's Book on the Lexington class and John Fry book on the Saratoga. Good reading matieral. You asked so here's my 2cents. Craig Bennett -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: Classic Warships Book's Malcolm, Thanks for your reply. I would like everyone to post their reply on the SMML, so if you could, please do so. Also, You may list ANY topic, not just the ones on the list. I forgot to mention the Wichita. I have about 120 photos on her and do plan a book, as soon as I find the mid war refit drawings. I have the 1939 and 1945 sets, but would like a little more. As to any British ships, I would really like to do some books on ships of the Royal Navy, but the cost of obtaining photos is prohibitive, thanks to places like the Imperial War Museum, National Maritime Museum. Your peoples taxes, like our peoples taxes, all paid for the Navy(s) to photograph these vessel. In the USA, this is public domain, meaning its free, except for the reproduction cost. Unfortunately, in the UK it is not free. It is under the control of the above mentioned museums. I understand they need to charge a fee to survive, but their fee is ridiculously high, I think, about £45 and up!!! If I were to publish a book, lets say, on the "R" class battleships, to do so, with these photo prices, would make that a £25 book. For all of us "Yanks", thats 25X approx. 1.6 = $40. This would be for a book that I currently sell for $12. That is why I believe that there have not been many books produced on British ships lately. I could be wrong, I sure hope so! Once again, thanks for the interest in my products, Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: rolie muise Subject: Re: WW2 Ships Still Afloat There is the HMCS Haida, the last of the Tribals, in Toronto.Ontario, Canada. Now a museum and in dire need of repairs. There is also the HMCS Sackville, a flower class corvette,in Halifax Nova Scotia,Canada. Lucky me,she is tied up where I work. These are Canada's contribution to naval history. Lets hear about some more around the world. rolie in Halifax,home of the Sackville and the Bluenose II -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "FCR" Subject: Re: Ship Identification Hello List HMS Tiger - C20 HMS Lion - C34 HMS Blake - C99 Hope this helps to the identification of the background cruiser. Regards Filipe C. Ramires Lisboa, PORTUGAL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "FCR" Subject: Re: What books should I produce next? Hello again Books to be produced? Well let us see ... Some suggestions for WWII How about some IJN subjects: - Heavy or Light cruisers - Destroyers "Long-Lancers" USN: - What about "four pipers" DKM: - Light Cruisers Royal Navy: - Battle-Cruisers Compliments Filipe C. Ramires Lisboa, PORTUGAL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Kelvin Mok" Subject: New Use for old tea-bags I had a bottle of hobby acrylic paint I had mixed some time ago. Small lumps of dried and semi dried paint immediately clogged up the airbrush. The price of paints being what they are these days that was too pricey to throw away. Then an inspiration. I had kept a number of dry used tea-bags around for use in armour diaromas. I cut off one corner of the tea-bag, emptied it of tea leaves and that left me with a strong wet strength filter bag. It worked great and I was even able to finger squeeze the last bit of paint out without getting the dried paint bits into the new bottle. Kelvin Mok -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: USS Cole and Modeler's Photos Ref RDB's comments on photographing U.S. Naval Ships after the USS Cole disaster. Whenever an embassy is attacked or unrest affects U.S. property and lives--security heightens. Going aboard ships can become difficult, especially for photographic purposes. I used to travel the United States, visiting U.S. Naval ships and Coast Guard cutters on business and, even then, when security was at a fever pitch, things could get sticky. When it comes to security and the safety of our sailors and marines, the photos we shoot either as professionals or ship buffs are only so much silver salts and dyes compared to their young lives. I wouldn't worry so much about our small inconveniences as hobbyists. As always, when things return to "normal" security will again favor those of us interested in ship visits. Right now, these sailors have a heck of a lot more on their minds than suffering a modeler who wants a shot of the missile cannister that may one day save their lives. I want to see our gray ships bristling with armed guards after the horrible disaster that befell the USS Cole. I hope they launch their RHIB boats to handle lines in non-military port facilities and have an additional armed RHIB patrolling a security perimeter as well. Anything that looks suspicious should be checked and boarded, even if it's a tour boat lingering too long and too close. They don't call them "Warships" for nothing... Victor Baca Editor & Publisher MODEL SHIP JOURNAL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Ray8017@aol.com Subject: Yamato can anybody me a short background on the Yamata Battleship up to its sinking ray8017@aol.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Ray8017@aol.com Subject: Sub models can anybodytell us any submarine kit manufacturers...plastic wood and resin ray8017@aol.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Robert & Rose Brown Subject: Tiger class pennant numbers Pennant numbers for the Tiger class: Tiger: C20 Lion: C34 Blake: C99 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Ned Barnett Subject: U-571 Redux I watched this film again on home video last night - with a passel full of reference materials in my lap and my rewinder in hand to check out the details. From that, I am reasonably certain that: U-571 was a Type VII S-33 was an S-Boat (blunt bow with bullnose) masquerading as a Type IX Having determined that (oh wow), I confirmed that in my decently-stocked collection of U-Boats, the only same-scale kits I have of the Type VII and Type IX are in 1/700; I'd like to do a diorama of the two boats hove-to (it was a dramatic, action-packed scene), but I'd like to do it in a larger scale - 1/144 would be nice, but anything from 1/125 to 1/200 would do. Does anybody know of same-scale kits of the two common German U-Boats? Please advise. Thanks Ned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: Ned Barnett Subject: USAF Flying Saucers Bogus, part of the secret government cover-up. Seriously, if we had nuke saucers flying 300 miles out in space in the 50s, why did we lose the space race to Russia? IMO Ned the Saucer Guy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: Minadmiral@aol.com Subject: Re: Books to do next >> Classic Warships (Steve Wiper) would like to know what books would you like to see next. Please list your top 5 choices, in order of preference. You can list any of the above items. That would let me know if I am on track. << Hi; My top 5?? Zara Pola Gorizia Fiume Littorio Class Seriously - Italian WWII ships are some of the most beautiful, ships of the 20th century. I`m working on a little 1:600 resin Spica that`s a jewel. Chuck Duggie WoodenWalls Listmeister Naval wargamer, amateur naval historian, and ship modeler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Graham Walker" Subject: UK Scale Model World Hi all just back from Telford and what a show, one of the best ever, I had the pleasure of meeting SMMLies form the USofA. Alan Raven, John Snyder and Duane Fowler. Myself and John Synder was paired together to judge 3 classes of ship models, smaller than 500 scale plastic, smaller than 500 resin and the scratch built classes, 3 and a half hours later we had decided on the winners, boy did we have to nit pick. That was how high the standards was. Well I am off for a bath then bed for 12 hours then I may just remember which ships won what class (my mind is a fog at the moment. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Bob Pearson" Subject: RN injected 1/700 cruiser kits Greetings all, I finally finished my WEM Dido Class cruiser (as HMS Argonaut) and after looking through Alan Raven's RN Camouflage book, I would like to do a companion cruisers. Does anyone have a Matchbox Ajax available for sale or trade? Are there any other injection 1/700 RN cruisers besides the Matchbox Ajax and Exeter? Regards, Bob Pearson Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From : Mike mailto:webmaster@smml.org.uk Subject: Latest SMML site upload Hi all, The latest set of Archives are uploaded onto the site, and are indexed as well. Mike (wishing his exams were finally finished so he could get more done on the web site) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Peter K. H. Mispelkamp Subject: Graf Zeppelin Air Wing Group Last Call: The Graf Zeppelin Air Wing Group has reached its quota - enough orders to meet or exceed WEM's 20 bag minimum per plane. If you still want to be a part of this historic group, contact me within the next seven days - otherwise your order will not placed through me! I would like to give special thanks for all you who joined in this venture and to pass on a very special thank you to Shane for letting us get our act together on this board. Sincerely Peter K. H. Mispelkamp -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume