Subject: SMML VOL 1042 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 00:19:54 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Tripod Masts 2: Zhengdefu 3: Re: Hunley- for Rusty & Graf Spee/2. A Scharnhorst Camouflage Question 4: Re: Books to do next 5: Future publications 6: WW 2 Ships still afloat 7: Re: What books should I produce next? 8: Re: Caroline's bikini and Flowers... 9: Modeling the Kursk 10: Ms32/33 patterns & 1/450 Fighters 11: Re: WW11 rn ships still afloat 12: Update on Conditions Aboard Cole 13: Preserved ships/Airfix liners 14: SCROLL KEY 15: WWll vessels still afloat 16: KGV references 17: Photos 18: Re: Sub Models 19: Raising the USS Monitor VCR alert 20: Re: U-571 21: USS ARKANSAS 22: Classic Warships Books 23: Flagship consequence 24: Re: ICM web site address 25: RN 1/700 cruisers 26: US Navy Grey 27: Gold-winning H.M.S. Dreadnought at Telford? 28: New books from Poland 29: Humbrol conversions for Grosser Kurfurst -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: 1/350 SCALE TITANIC DETAILS 2: BOOKS FOR SALE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Jim Fearn Subject: Tripod Masts The HMS SOUTHAMPTON class cruisers have an aft tripod mast. To date I have not been able to find a picture with enough definition to show how the three legs were joined together. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Zhengdefu I found one of those kits at Phoenix Hobbies and one at a local hobby store. Lemme know if I can help you with 038 - I imagine if they got one (I bought it) they can get the others. Ned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Frank Allen Subject: Re: Hunley- for Rusty & Graf Spee/2. A Scharnhorst Camouflage Question 1. Hunley- Good points Rusty & Graf Spee! Oops...now I'm guilty of dragging this "stupid thread" on, LOL!!! Besides, I think we all know that the Hunley thread will seem minor in comparison once "Pearl Harbor" comes out...I imagine the list will be overrun with complaints about that one, LOL! 2. Now for a real question: Is there a consensus regarding the WW2 Scharnhorst's FINAL camouflage scheme? I seem to recall it having a light grey bow & stern and a very dark grey mid section. What about the decks though? Were they painted/unpainted? I've seen conflicting info regarding this. Unfortunately, it appears that "Salmon"s wreck will not help out much... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Kevin W. Woodruff" Subject: Re: Books to do next Personally I think that a book on the Indiana class (BB1-3) would be good. With the Glencoe Oregon and the PE kits that go with it. I would also like to see something done on the USS Olympia, since it is the only Spanish-American warship still afloat. Kevin W. Woodruff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Donald Bridge Subject: Future publications Hi Steve My five for the future would be:- Arleigh Burke DDGs Ticonderoga CGs Spruance DDs Nimitz CVNs OH Perry FFGs Basically anything modern Don Bridge -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Wannsee" Subject: WW 2 Ships still afloat Hi Guys I hope I have started something here !! If I can get enough info together I am willing to make a list for everybody, and of course not just WW2 but WW1 as well so if you know about that Dreadnaught hiding away let us know !!!!!!!! Regards Martin Foley mailto:naval@wannsee.co.za -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: roberto paredes Subject: Re: What books should I produce next? Hi Steve, To me, I would prefer: 1º Brooklyn cl. CL's 2º DKM Hipper cl. CA's 3º Northampton cl. CA's Kind regards, Roberto. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Tom Detweiler Subject: Re: Caroline's bikini and Flowers... So when do the REST of us get to see Caroline in a bikini? Tom in Rocklin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: RhinoBones@aol.com Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:44:20 EDT Subject: Modeling the Kursk For those of you who are considering a model of the Kursk, I suggest that you procure a copy of the Scientific American November issue. On page 18 an article entitled "Radioactive Wreck" deals with environmental concerns, however, included with the text is a picture of the Kursk at dock. The picture is deck level from the bow looking aft. Visible are the flags and crest of the Russian Federation, tie downs, some railing, coloration, and various deck and sail details. The caption states that the picture was taken a few months before the ship was lost. Off to the right there is a little bit of Russian visible on the gang way . . . I think the literal translation is "Remember the Hunley". Regards, RhinoBones As an afterthought - the photo might be available for downloading at the Scientific American web page. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: John Maze Subject: Ms32/33 patterns & 1/450 Fighters SMMLies, I'm working on a project where i need some c. 1/450th fighters. I'm using the SBD's from the Revell Yorktown for my dive bombers, but for some silly reason this kit doesn't have any fighters. Any suggestions where I can find some 1/480th to 1/420th F4Fs or F6F's? How about brass for the SBD's? I am also looking for a site, or generally available reference, that will give me the patterns used with Measures 32 and 33. The S&S site gave me the colors and general description of how applied, but no patterns (unless I'm missing a link!). Also, when greens are used instead of grays, are they substituted in accordance with the "descriptive" name; ie, LIGHT green for LIGHT gray? And one last Q: what do the suffixes on the measures (ie, xx/7a) refer to? A pattern variation? JohnM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "philip knell" Subject: Re: WW11 rn ships still afloat sorry cant help with big ships but i regularly see a collection of mtb's and fairmiles in the creek behind shoreham high street between brighton and worthing. unfortunately most of these are converted to house boats but still easily recognisable. there is also what looks like a tid tug. phil -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Robert J. Bartolacci" Subject: Update on Conditions Aboard Cole Just had this forwarded to me from a friend >> John, Your friend said it all. We too are on station and I will be going over there in the morning to provide a lunch. I wanted to grill steak for them on their deck, but there is still too much oil and fuel, not to mention every square foot of deck is now their living space, to set up a grill. Their requests have been simple, hot food, cold drinks and dry coveralls and boots. The ships here are all taking turns doing their laundry and cooking their meals. The Cole's crew has been offered repeatedly to take R&R on another ship but most have refused. They refuse to leave their ship. The details of their shipmates having to be cut from the bulkheads and descriptions and photos of the description have filtered to our ship. It is amazing that more were not killed. It is equally amazing that it is still afloat. The keel is ripped apart and at present cannot even be towed to open water to be placed on a dry-dock vessel. The #1 engine room is flooded solid, as is AUX 1. The Messdecks deck is now pressed against the overhead. The entire galley was pushed to the starboard side and the equipment is recognizable. This is where many crew members died. The ship was very nearly lost. They are truly heroes. We all have a lot to do to save this vessel but the crew of the Cole has endured the brunt of it so far. I have vowed myself and my department to offer any comfort, large or small that we are capable of providing, to the Cole. None of my guys have once complained and all have volunteered to help in any way. The Cole's Suppo was injured and flown home. The disbo is now running things. I will assess his needs when I go over. The Suppo on the Hawes has been controlling the efforts but now that the Tarawa is on station they seem to be taking the reins, but I think I can at least provide him some insight. Let there be no doubt that this is a hostile land. It took days before we were even allowed to enter territorial waters and still we are heavily restricted in flights and must maintain a constant vigil against additional hostile actions. The Yemen government is still not being very helpful and we are trying to place all personnel onboard the ships that are currently staying at the two hotels in town. The Cole's crew remains emotionally and physically drained I'm told. So, since you have experienced Navy life, try to relay to those back home the sacrifices we make, hardships we endure, and the dangers we face in an effort to keep those Stars and Stripes flying high over a ship 10,000 miles from home. Take care and sleep well knowing the US Navy is on watch tonight, but say a prayer for the 250 members of the Cole who must wake tomorrow to another day of fighting for their ship. John Cassani USS ANCHORAGE << -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Jodie Peeler Subject: Preserved ships/Airfix liners hello all.... With all the talk about preserved ships, I thought I'd share something I stumbled across today that really made me happy. Check out http://www.cavalla.org and see what's happening there. This made my heart leap because even ten years ago a dear friend who had visited these ships had told me of their sorry condition -- and now they are finally getting some much-deserved (and long-overdue) attention. Bravo Zulu! Now on to the obligatory ship-model-related content: thanks to my nimbleness (?) at a recent show, I'm now the owner of an Airfix Queen Elizabeth 2. I'm fairly happy with it, as I am with the reissued Queen Elizabeth, but there's something really huge that keeps me from being completely happy. If you know these Airfix liner kits, you know that the big rows of promenade deck windows are essentially raised rectangles (blech!) that don't look much at all like the real thing. Has anyone out there come across a reasonably good technique of producing consistently good prom deck windows for these liners? I really don't want to sit there grinding and filing every one of the little buggers out, lest it drive me crazier than I already am. Any advice will be appreciated.... jodie http://www.mindspring.com/~raisingirl/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "David Miller" Subject: SCROLL KEY I hate to agree with Rusty so often, BUT HE'S RIGHT! If I read every one of these, every day I wouldn't have to eat. Hey wait, a new diet, the SMML "e" Diet. Rusty, we might have something here! I DO stop for interesting subjects, like a 1/700 Matchbox Ajax for sale. And I thought my two Ariadnes were rare! Dave Miller Palm Bay, FL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "sell4853" Subject: WWll vessels still afloat Hi everyone, There are still several vessels, mainly ex MGB's, MTB's, HDML's and even the odd ASR launch still afloat or beached in the backwaters of some of our UK rivers and creeks that have succumbed to the dreaded convertion to houseboatsand the odd pleasure launch. No matter what their present owners do in installing garish upperworks, greenhouses, etc nothing can usually hide those sleek unmistakable lines that gave them their original service for this country. So if you look hard enough you may find them. There are a couple that have been rebuilt and preserved to pay tribute to those that sailed in them including one that took part in the recent anniversary of the Dunkirk evacuation. By chance whilst on a recent holiday in Malta I came across two ex RN MGB's laid up on chocks in a compound of one of the Malta military wireless stations. The weather and years were taking their toll and It would be shame to see them deteriate further beyond the chance of recovering and preserving them but the cost would no doubt be the main factor. We remember with pride the motto of the RAF Air Sea Rescue Service whose crews saved many ditched airmen both friend and foe ......... "THE SEA SHALL NOT HAVE THEM"......... Norman SELLS Tenterden UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: KGV references Hi Shahriar Try to get hold of the Raven and Roberts book British Battleships of World War Two (out of print unfortunately) which has considerable detail on the class with several good photos. The Tarrant book isn't worth it. Your superstructure fit will depend on when you want to model the ship but KGV did not have a fighting top - she came from a much later period when these had been abandoned. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Photos Hi Steve I know exactly what you mean - I've had to spend a fortune for photos on my book. Reproduction rights are expensive (£30 is standard per photo) but I have found that you can negotiate with the Imperial War Museum for a reduced rate depending on how many photos you use. You can then use that to extract reduced reproduction rates from the other museums. The only people who do not play ball are local newspapers who want to charge an enormous amount for their photos. You could also try the Vicary collection of photos which cost 75 pence (3 x 5 inches which is the only size he does) per photo with reproduction rights of 5 pounds per photo. He also has a lot of good stuff. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Sub Models >> Sub models can anybody tell us any submarine kit manufacturers...plastic wood and resin << Aw gees, where do I start?? What kind of submarines are you interested in? Modern? WWII? U-boats, Russian, British, Japanese, US?? There is a submarine kit search available at the SubCommittee website. Not currently exhaustive, but a very good place to start. Go to: http://www.subcommittee.com (general SubCommittee website) http://www.subcommittee.com/ModelDatabase.html (kit database) What are your interests??? Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Raising the USS Monitor VCR alert Heads up: as a change from the discussion over the recent program on raising the CSS Hunley, NOVA the PBS series will do a program on the Navy's attempts to salvage the Monitor. Tuesday night 9:00 pm on PBS stations that air the Nova Science series. Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: U-571 >> U-571 was a Type VII S-33 was an S-Boat (blunt bow with bullnose) masquerading as a Type IX Having determined that (oh wow), I confirmed that in my decently-stocked collection of U-Boats, the only same-scale kits I have of the Type VII and Type IX are in 1/700; I'd like to do a diorama of the two boats hove-to (it was a dramatic, action-packed scene), but I'd like to do it in a larger scale - 1/144 would be nice, but anything from 1/125 to 1/200 would do. Does anybody know of same-scale kits of the two common German U-Boats? Please advise. << Why not go 1:350, as you can get a resin S-boat from Blue Water Navy amd a Type VII in resin (the old Commander's series models). For 1:144, Revell has the U-99 kit, not altogether accurate but overall, not too bad. In 1:200, Nichimo makes a very nice (damn close to resin detail in styrene) Type IX-B and Type IX-C. The problem is going to be obtaining the 2 kits you need in compatible scales, hence my resin suggestion. Keep us posted.... Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "Ginny/Dave C" Subject: USS ARKANSAS HELP, I AM LOOKING FOR A PLASTIC MODEL KIT OF THE USS ARKANSAS CGN-41. I WORKED AS AN ELECTRICAL TEST TECHNICIAN DURING CONSTRUCTION AND SEA TRIALS. ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED. THANKS, DAVE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: Charlie Jarvis Subject: Classic Warships Books Hi Steve and All: I'd like to see a book on pre-war USN destroyers, particularly the Bagley class. Charlie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: Bergschöld Pelle Subject: Flagship consequence >> I don't cry and moan about it. Geeeeeeesh! << A fully consequent statement.... No offense, Rusty. In sake I agree with you, but this was just obviously too good a joke to let go by.. Friendly greetings Pelle SWE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: NEVENGER@aol.com Subject: Re: ICM web site address the main home page for ICM is http://www.icm.com.ua/ The english speaking home page is http://www.icm.com.ua/index11e.htm Just incase you have been to there web site before it appears that they redid it this last week. They appear to have kinda hidden there e-mail address for the web site but they are there...... of note good luck emailing them, they never answered me.......(um after three e-mail tries that is) icmusa@hotmail.com For the US & Canada aikov@dol.ru For the USSR got11@dial.pipex.com For England Richard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: Bergschöld Pelle Subject: RN 1/700 cruisers >> Are there any other injection 1/700 RN cruisers besides the Matchbox Ajax and Exeter? << As you mentioned yourself, White ensign has some at http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/avenue/xdt22/kits700.htm I find, just to mention a few: K706 HMS Sheffield 1941 Southampton Class Cruiser K709 HMS Edinburgh 1939 Edinburgh Class Cruiser K716 HMS Sussex 1942 County Class Cruiser K 731 HMS Arethusa 1944 Arethusa Class Cruiser K 742 HMS York 1940 B Class Cruiser Happy hunting! Pelle SWE Just to add to the list of injected kits & correct Bob a bit. It's the Matchbox Exeter & Airfix Ajax. Airfix also do the Tiger (Post WW2 iirc), Suffolk & Belfast, but you knew that didn't you Bob ;-). Also, Lee recently released iirc the Aurora in 1/300 Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: "M & R Brown" Subject: US Navy Grey Can anyone tell what is the current grey used by the US Navy? Is this colour available from Modelmaster or any other paint company? Michael Brown -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: "michael thrupp" Subject: Gold-winning H.M.S. Dreadnought at Telford? Hi There Does anyone know the name of the guy who built the gold-winning H.M.S. Dreadnought at Telford? I was astounded by the craftsmanship (I believe he probably did the IJN Kirishima which was on display last year at Telford). What I would most like to know was what material (stretched sprue/ fishing line/ invisible mending thread?) he used for the rigging and how !??? he made the radio-telegraph aerial (4 or 6 parallel cables separated by starfish spreaders). Thanks Mike Thrupp -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: Damian Pliszka Subject: New books from Poland Hi all, This week there will be released new books from AJ Press: No. 15 Tirpitz part 1 (covering her design and history up to 1942) and No. 20 USS Lexington/Saratoga part 1. Next week when I'll receive these books I'll write little more. As you can see between second book about Tirpitz (No. 16) and USS Lexington there is place for four issues. I ask AJ Press yesterday about their plans. So, there will be released monograph about Bismarck (3 parts) and one more ship (they didn't told me what it will be). Ragards Damian Pliszka -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: "lcp9" Subject: Humbrol conversions for Grosser Kurfurst To All: I've begun the excellent ICM Grosser Kurfurst model, and am looking for Testor Model Master paint matches for Humbrol paints # 64 Matt Light Grey, 32 Matt Dark Grey, 28 Camouflage Grey. Any help would be much appreciated David Angelo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Tom & Carolyn Harrison" Subject: 1/350 SCALE TITANIC DETAILS The following Titanic detailing sets have been in production for several months however I had not taken the time to announce them on the SMML page. The four sets listed have been reviewed by members of the Titanic Modelers Research Association and the Debris Field for accuracy. The Robert Hahn plans, which are recognized as being the most accurate plans currently available were also used in the development of these new sets. All the sets can be reviewed on our web site www.tomsmodelworks.com Set 3511 Titanic rail set (reengineered from previous set with 20% more rails) Rail styles with and without foot rest, rail gates, inclined stairs etc. Set cost, same as before, $16.00 Set 3521 Titanic Window frames. this set contains of 270 individual window frames Set cost $12.00 Set 3522 Titanic benches. Half etched, correct length, center bench leg support and the iron work on the ends was designed off a photograph of a recovered bench end. This bench is also a single piece three fold piece. Cost $7.50 Set 3523 Titanic details. This set contains several parts never before supplied in brass. vent screens, stack ladders with whistle platforms, life boat protection rails and more. cost 16.00 When ordering all four sets we are offering a 15% discount off the total and for SMML members I'll ship the order free. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "lcp9" Subject: BOOKS FOR SALE I have the following books for sale, all books are in very good condition & all prices include surface mail in the U.S. U.S. Cruisers by Norman Friedman $55.00 Anatomy of the Ship USS INTREPID $50.00 Anatomy of the Ship USS GAMBIER BAY $50.00 Please reply off list David Angelo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume