Subject: SMML VOL 1049 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 01:16:02 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Konig References 2: NRG harbor tour report 3: John Collins' questions 4: D&S Kennedy Book 5: Re: D&S Kennedy Book 6: D&S Kennedy book and Nat'l Archives 7: Re: Dreadnaught Model 8: American destroyer camouflage - doors? 9: Steve Wiper's books; more to come, I hope 10: Who owns the Hunley? 11: Excel Spreadsheet Please 12: Re: Presidential Unit Citation for USS Cole 13: Re: Steve Wiper Books 14: Steve Wiper's Books 15: Re: Oklahoma & Nebraska 16: Re: Need a book & Ensign #5 17: Finland WW2 sub: Vesikko 18: D & S / cases 19: Revell USS New Jersey/clarification 20: D&S Kennedy book 21: Steve Wiper Books (CB 1 & 2) 22: books, Resin & HMS Resolution 23: Modern USMC Amtracs 24: Books to do next 25: Re: 1/400 paper models 26: D&S book on USS JFK 27: Civil War Ironclads and books 28: Interior Color of 1920 USN DD's 29: Dallas hobby shops 30: Re: New book out --PRE-DREADNOUGHT ALERT! 31: Re: D & S book on JFK 32: Lindberg's Harriet Lane 33: Submarine Special on C-SPAN 34: Re: 1/400 paper models??? 35: Re: Questions 36: Re: Kennedy D&S -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Skytrek imagery 2: Photo Costs and U.S. National Archives -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Shane Weier Subject: Konig References Hi all, I asked a few days back but got no response so I'll try again. Are there *any* references which show ships of the Konig class in a fashion suitable to allow me to detail the ICM kit with the WEM brass? If so, what are they, where are they available and at what cost? If not, how did WEM decide what details to etch ! Hoping desperately for assistance, because the brass is way to good to waste. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: BSteinIPMS@aol.com Subject: NRG harbor tour report The 25th annual Nautical Research Guild conference has just concluded in Hampton, Virginia, and was a resounding success. The Hampton Roads Ship Model Society (http://members.xoom.com/HRSMS) did an excellent job of hosting the conference and one of the highlights of this was a harbor tour. The four-hour tour (on the 120-passenger Miss Hampton II) left the dock by the Radisson Hotel at 1000 and returned at 1400. The day was perfect: sunny and a balmy 70 degrees fahrenheit. We dieseled across Hampton Roads (where the Monitor and Virginia slugged it out over 130 years ago) and did a slow cruise along the piers of the 3-mile long Norfolk Naval Base. The tour boat traveled rather close to these so the viewing and photography opportunities were greatly enhanced. We saw three carriers: the USS Eisenhower, the Harry S. Truman, and the ancient but active USS Enterprise. Many Ticonderoga class cruisers, Spruance class destroyers, and Burke class destroyers were there, just a stone's throw away. We were also treated to views of several German warships and an oiler and several visiting French Navy frigates. We traveled past at least four Los Angeles class nuclear attack submarines moored to the pier, saw replenishment ships, assault ships, helicopter carriers (LPHs), and various auxiliaries. Dodging large container ships in the Elizabeth River, we were treated to the spectacle of a modern Moran Company tug passing by us in the opposite direction, then spinning on its vertical axis for 180 degrees, traveling backwards briefly, then spinning about to face forwards again and continuing on its way. A spectacular piece of showmanship. We traveled past downtown Norfolk with its Waterside and Nauticus entertainment centers, saw several stragetic prepositioning ships (which carry troops, vehicles, and supplies to troubled areas around the globe, and were constantly buzzed by Vertol CH-46 Seaknight helicopters flying in formations of two at low level over the tour boat. We motored past the U.S. Coast Guard base and saw several types of cutters, both large and small, as well as several buoy tenders. We traveled past the Norfolk Naval Shipyard and saw numerous destroyers undergoing modification and repair, saw the old dockyard where the Civil War USS Merrimack was scuttled and later raised by the Confederates to become the CSS Virginia, and were treated to the sight of almost brand-new ships with a moderate amount of weathering and rust. (We wern't certain whether we should deduct points for showing wear, stains, weathering, and rust on a newly-commissioned ship) One of the highlights came at the turnaround point. There she sat: hulking, menacing, a living piece of history - the Iowa class battleship USS Wisconsin. Moored to a large pier at the Norfolk Naval Shipyard, she was undergoing some modifications and repairs prior to being moved across the river to become a memorial/museum next to Nauticus. On our return to Hampton the tour boat skipper, having monitored a radio message regarding the entry of a "naval unit" into Hampton Roads from the Atlantic Ocean via Chesapeake Bay, turned the tour boat into an intercept position. We found ourselves face to face with a Los Angeles class nuclear attack submarine running on the surface. It was a stunning sight. Long, lethal, deadly-looking, it appeared like something out of a science-fiction movie. Slicing along at what I'd guess was about 15 knots or so and plowing up the usual sine-wave bow wave associated with these units, it filled one with a sense of dread and foreboding. The four crew members riding on the sail were in their orange survival suits: even though the air temperature was 74 degrees we were told the water was cold enough to require this. Truly the icing on the cake of a very enjoyable tour. If you've never attended an NRG conference, you're sure to have a good time if you plan on doing so in the future. The next one will be in October 2001 in Rockville, Maryland (a suburb of Washington, DC) and there will be many activities associated with this conference you'll enjoy. You can check this out on the Guild's Web site at: http://www.naut-res-guild.org/ Bob Steinbrunn Minneapolis Member, Nautical Research Guild Louisiana Naval War Memorial - USS Kidd, DD 661 The Mariners' Museum -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Bonini S.r.l." Subject: John Collins' questions Hi, John! RCT means "Regio Cacciatorpediniere" ("Royal Destroyer"); I found also Rsmg "Regio sommergibile"("Royal Submarine") but, as far as I know, the only official use (for ex., on sailor's hats) was for RN ("Regia Nave" / HMS): most probably, RCT and similars were used more in documents and descriptions. Don't know for the other questions, as WW1 is not my favourite field of interest. Best greetings from Italy, Giusto Gallas -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Edward Wilson" Subject: D&S Kennedy Book Yes, Detail and Scale did a book on the Kennedy (CV-67), As well as Lexington, Forrestal, America, and Enterprise. I Picked up all these books 10 years ago when I was on the Enterprise. They never did get around to doing a Nimitz, a real shame. Ned Wilson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Craig R Bennett Subject: Re: D&S Kennedy Book Hi Guys For Steve Wiper. Yes there is a book on the Kennedy by Detail and Scale. I have a copy perhaps you should try the Squadron mail order to see if you can get a copy. Oh by the way for the man checking out US BB's Oklahoma and Nebraska. Oklahoma is BB-37 and Nebraska is BB-14. The Utah is BB-31. I'm not picking on you Steve. Craig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Shirley Sachsen Subject: D&S Kennedy book and Nat'l Archives Yes, there is/was a Detail & Scale JFK book. It was #42 in the series. Also in the series were the Forrestal and America. I got mine through Squadron Mail Order--sometimes they're on sale in the monthly circular. I don't know if they're still in print. Regarding the cost to reproduce Nat'l Archives photos. they have privatized the process. you can do the research either at the Archives or via the website, but once you select the images you want prints of, you have to go through an independent contractor. the Archives will provide a list of those outfits who have done work for them in the past and it's up to you to select the intermediary. you then pay the intermediary for the cost of processing the image and shipping. I have not actually followed through on the process, but it looks daunting. I'd prefer doing without the middle man, but that's how it's set up nowadays. s -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Dreadnaught Model Contact Steel Navy. They have an icon on the Warship site. warship.simplenet.com Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ Order online with Visa & Master card (US only) "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: BSteinIPMS@aol.com Subject: American destroyer camouflage - doors? John Snyder's Ship Camouflage Web site has perhaps the most complete list of specs for painting U.S. naval warships that I've seen on the Internet and I'm appreciative that he's made it available. Good show, John! (as an aside, it appears that you'll have to soon start speaking ENGLISH English, so this is a good start.....) (smile) I do have one question which doesn't seem to be answered on the site and I haven't seen the answer in any of the other publications I used for reference in building my 1/192 scale model of USS KIDD, DD 661. To give the model a more "lived in" and open look I wanted to have many of the deckhouse watertight doors in the open position. To do this I went to a fair amount of work in milling out the wood inside the open doors to create a large recessed area which would eventually be painted flat black. I then drilled and filed out openings in the solid brass door frames to create an open rectangular frame. Attaching the doors with all of their added rib, frame, latching dogs, and locking mechanism detail in the open position gave rise to the question......what color were the doors painted on their interior surfaces? I spent more time researching this than I did opening up all the doors. (!!) I wanted to (and eventually did) paint them a subdued flat white, like the interior compartments would have been, and like I've seen on a number of more modern warships. This would make them more visible against the Haze Gray of the deckhouse exterior and would provide additional detail and interest. But I also felt that white doors in the open position would compromise the general overall camouflage scheme of the ship. That's why World War II Vought F4U Corsairs had Intermediate Blue undersurfaces on the outboard folding wing panels instead of Non-Specular White overall undersurfaces: a deckload of 'em with folded wings wouldn't make the parent carrier more visible, even if if compromised the aircraft's individual camouflage. I reasoned that in a combat zone, or more probably, when action was imminent, the doors would have been closed up, if not dogged, and hence would't spoil the ships camouflage. Anybody have the (esoteric) answer to this one? Bob Steinbrunn Minneapolis Member, Nautical Research Guild Louisiana Naval War Memorial - USS Kidd, DD 661 The Mariners' Museum -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: HAZEGRAYADM@aol.com Subject: Steve Wiper's books; more to come, I hope Steve: Do anything in WW II , both single or by class; I'll buy 'em too. Just don't make the mistake you did with vol 6 (Omaha class CLs) and omit a set of plans. That one could have even have used two sets: one each early and late refits. These are real bargains! Do you realize the cost required to get the photos alone? My personal favorites are the Pacific theater / WW II ships, so go for it Steve. Bert McDowell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Burl Burlingame / Pacific Monograph Subject: Who owns the Hunley? Actually, one of the real hold-ups in raising the Hunley was a bureaucratic battle over ownership. The U.S. Navy claimed ownership as did the State of South Carolina. It was settled in court - the Navy has title, but they have to "loan" it to South Carolina forever. This is not an inconsiderable issue, as with Federal title, some preservation funding can be released. Burl Pacific Monograph, 1124 Kahili Street, Kailua HI 96734 808-263-6087 buzz@aloha.net A historical interpretation company. Visit our web sites at http://www.PacificHistory.com/ and http://www.PacificHistory.net "He's supposed to be dead. This is vexing. I am terribly vexed." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Excel Spreadsheet Please >> Also, if you are interested, I have an Excel spreadsheet database of every kit I have found offered on the web for the Turn of the Century time period. Approximately 1880 thru WW I. The data base contains the era/decade, scale, type designation, name, manufacturer, source(s) and ambient price. Free to any good home. << Hey RhinoBones ... I'd like one: Ned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: Presidential Unit Citation for USS Cole >> The Presidential Unit Citation is awarded to units whose actions in combat with an armed enemy force were significantly valorous to have earned an individual the Navy Cross. It would be a stretch for COLE to qualify. << Ah, yes, but we do seem to have a President who, shall we say, likes to stretch things? Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: Steve Wiper Books >> My one choice on this subject would be the two "large cruisers" USS Alaska and Guam. As the models are available in both 1/350 and 1/700. All information seems to be conflicting. I now believe that the two did not enter the Pacific Theater of Operations in camouflage. << You are correct! They were both painted into Measure 22, when they went to the Pacific, I believe at Pearl Harbor. I have been hunting for photos of these two, but have not been very successful. I did find a few of both under construction on my last trip to the Nat. Archives, but not much, and not enough for a book, YET! Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Jim Johnson" Subject: Steve Wiper's Books I have not seen any suggestion for titles of Steve Wiper's book series that I wouldn't buy if they were published. Keep making them Steve, and I'll keep buying. The following is how I would prioritize my want list. 1. USN WW2 Capital ships 2. Non-USN WW2 Capital Ships 3. USN WW2 Combatant non-capital ships 4. USN modern combatant ships 5. Non-USN WW2 combatants One class of ships that I would love to see a profile type book and 1/350 kits of are the Wyoming Class. The Arkansas (BB 33) saw service in WW2, primarily as a shore bombardment ship. She was the only USN 6 turret battleship in the war and possibly the only one in the war period. The Wyoming (BB 32) served through WW2 as AG-17, a gun training ship. She had her 2 forward 12" turrets until '45 and several types of every type of gun in the inventory. It would make a very interesting book and/or model. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Duane_C" Subject: Re: Oklahoma & Nebraska The Nebraska was BB-14, but Oklahoma was BB-37. BB31 was the USS Utah. Duane C. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From Kevin Large Subject: Re: Need a book & Ensign #5 I spoke to Arms and Armour Press who published the copies I have, re: reprinting the Raven and Roberts British Cruisers and Britsh Battleships books a couple of years ago. We wanted to see if they were interested in reprinting or would sell the rights or allow even a facsimilie style reprint - poor for photos but OK for text and plans. I was considering this as a small commercial + hobby proposition. Basically, they didn't seem interested - said they didn't know what had happened to the plates or what the copyright position was. Then my real job got in the way and I gave up. I bought a copy of Ensign #5 Town Class Cruisers from White Ensign some time ago - so that may explain where that copy went! On the hard to find book front, does anyone know where I can get hold of a copies of R.A Burt's books on British Battleships, including the Victorian one? - Seem even rarer than Raven and Roberts Kevin Large -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Clifford Franklin Subject: Finland WW2 sub: Vesikko Hi Bjorn For photos of the Vesikko in camouflage, try to get hold of the book "Suomen Laivasto Sodassa 1939-1945" by K Keskinen and J Mantykoski, published by Tietoteos, 1991. This is an excellent photographic reference on all the ships used by Finland during WW2, providing multiple views of the different types of camouflage used. Captions are in Finnish and English, with the text in Finnish with an English summary. There are a number of photos of Vesikko there. cheers Cliff Franklin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Craig R Bennett Subject: D & S / cases Hi Guys I was looking at my recent Squadron mail sheet and it has 3 detail and scale books for sale. The one's on the carriers Kennedy, America, and Forrestal are there for $8.00 plus S&H charge. I have two ship tips to share. Some 1/700 scale ships will fit nicely into either 1/24 or 1/35 car display cases. They are made by Imex or Revell. For the 1/35 scale cases you can put in ships such as the New Jersey, Enterprise, Hornet, Miami, Cleveland, Washington or can be used for diaoramas. Using a 1/700 Matchbox Graf Spee with Skywave Buildings, trucks, along with the dock tugs, E-boats made for my diaorama called "The Graf Spee prepares for war." If you should do one with their drydocks make sure the base of the case is supported because the skywave drydocks are 1/16 of inch taller than the base and pop out after awhile. Most 1/24 scale cases by Imex can handle most WW2 ships but when it comes modern ships such as the Spruance or Ticonderoga class, use the Revell cases because their tall enough for the masts. What I like about it is it keeps the dust off 'em. Also don't glue the lids down. If you want to have an inexpensive book on a ship type why not go to your local library and photocopy from Janes Fighting ships any information on a particular class of ship. If they at the library have a number of years available you might be able to produce something you can use. Craig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Jodie Peeler Subject: Revell USS New Jersey/clarification hello all -- I was in the local attic of a hobby shop today and happened to see the Revell-Germany reissue of the 1:350 USS New Jersey. Hmmm...interesting. I had the Revell-Ceji USS Iowa release of it, and its WWII USS Missouri sister kit many moons ago, and found it an interesting build. There's a good bit of detail to this kit, but nowhere near the fine engineering the Tamiya kit appears to have. Regardless, it's on the shelves now, if that's the kind of thing that rings your bells. Now if Revell would only re-pop the 1:720 Iowa-class kits...! Just to clear a little something up, Ralph Nardone and I are not on the cusp of tying the knot...not yet. I'm sorry if my recent post to SMML made it appear that we were about to. The actual event will take place at some point in the future -- not too long from now, I hope, but I need to get my Ph.D. finished first before I'm ready to take the plunge. (Just orals and a dissertation to go!) Regardless, Ralph and I are touched by and grateful for the kind thoughts many of you have sent our way, and are glad to see so many people on this list are genuinely friendly and kind. When the event actually comes to pass, we will share the happy news with you then. :) jodie http://www.mindspring.com/~raisingirl/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "John Sheridan" Subject: D&S Kennedy book >> A friend mentioned to me the other day that Detail and Scale did a book on the Kennedy. Can anyone confirm this? I don't recall ever seeing that book in print. << Rusty, D&S Volume #42 USS John F. Kennendy published 1993 I am holding a copy in my hands as we speak. John Sheridan The only human to defeat the Minbari is behind me, you are in front of me. If you value your lives, be somewhere else. : Delenn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "John Sheridan" Subject: Steve Wiper Books (CB 1 & 2) >> My one choice on this subject would be the two "large cruisers" USS Alaska and Guam. As the models are available in both 1/350 and 1/700. All information seems to be conflicting. I now believe that the two did not enter the Pacific Theater of Operations in camouflage. << From what I found CB1&2 were repainted into MS 22 at Pearl Harbor in 1945 prior to heading into the combat zone. John Sheridan The only human to defeat the Minbari is behind me, you are in front of me. If you value your lives, be somewhere else. : Delenn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "Richard Baker" Subject: books, Resin & HMS Resolution first the book, while reading ensign 4, queen Elizabeth class battleships, it mentions a future book on the Royal Sovereign class, did they ever produce this book ? Resin, where can I find somewhere in the UK that does a cheap resin to fill the hull of my boat when I cut it for a waterline, or does someone have a cheaper easier alternative. Now Resolution, can that nice man who emailed me the 1942 line drawing of HMS Resolution please send me it again, because before I could print it my computer went T**TS up and I lost it. mailto:Richbaker1@btinternet.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: "Bill & Kaja Michaels" Subject: Modern USMC Amtracs Tamiya has a 1/35 scale model of the LVTP-7. You can do a lot with this model.... I met a fellow in Vancouver about 10 years ago. He had converted the Tamiya kit to Radio Control. It was a very impressive model-- it ran on land and in the water. A pair of disassembled servos drove the tracks. For water propuslison, he had made a pair of water pumps that were driven off of servo motors. The outlet was just above the rear track wheel, and provided a measure of water-jet propulsion. Both systems ran all the time. With a 2 channel radio, he had independent control of the left and right (port and starboard?) propulsion systems, for steering on land and water. The model could go from land to water to land again, if the slope of the beach was right. With it's low speed and limited freeboard, the model could only be run in calm, sheltered waters. Inspired by that, I picked up the Tamiya kit secondhand. One of these days, I'd like to try scaling it up to 1/16 or larger..... FYI-- Here's a link to a website belonging to a fellow who's scratchbuilding a 1/9 scale model. He refers to it as the "AAVP7A1 money pit". The webpage has photos of both the model and the full size vehicle. http://www.technogap.com/aavp7a1.htm Hope this helps.... Bill Check out my US Coast Guard subjects model list at: http://www.tiac.net/users/billkaja/kitlist.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Books to do next Steve I just bought your volume on our treaty-class heavy cruisers; it's great, but I would have bought volumes on each individual ship. My vote (assuming I have one) is to go for individual ships, not classes. Your upcoming Yorktown class, while eagerly awaited, will give me 1/3 of the information I want on these three ships. Surely there's enough unused material on those three great ships. Ned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: RhinoBones@aol.com Subject: Re: 1/400 paper models >> I just browsed through UK's model dockyard and was amazed to see the quantities of card models they offer especially in my favorite 1/400 scale (What else is there for my french navy). Has anyone tried any? How do they look next to styrene kits? << Depending on your skill and the amount of time you have to construct card models, the finished ship can compare quite favorably with conventional plastic and resin models. One very nice feature of the card models is that the original pattern (that you purchased) can be copied on any good repro machine and if you want, the very popular 200 and 250 scale models can be proportionally reduced on the copy machine to the 400 scale. This will provide you with literally hundreds of new ships to build in 400 scale. Also you should know, that many of the card models are not available in plastic or resin. As an example, I doubt that you will find the 1896 French cruiser D'Entrecasteaux in anything other than a JSC 400 scale paper model. Incidentially, 400 also happens to be my favorite scale. For additional card models you might try: Maritime Card Models - www.harbor.org/models Paper Models International - www.ExpressPages.com/p/papermodels Regards, RhinoBones -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: Denis & Marilyn Campbell Subject: D&S book on USS JFK Rusty, There certainly is (was) a D&S book on the JFK. I have a copy and it is a wealth of detail on the ship and the air group and the weapons systems. It covers the early and Gulf War versions fully and is worth its weight in gold. When the rest of my life allows, I am going to build the Monogram (1/800?) kit and update it to the Gulf War version - but it will be a major project, I think Denis Campbell Avon MA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: Sam Pullig Subject: Civil War Ironclads and books As Rusty and others have said don't pass up the used book search engines and good old e-bay. Go to E-Bay and search for IRONCLADS and you get a # of hits with at least 5-6 model kits available. Also on ABEBOOKS I just got a copy of the "new" War At Sea In The Ironclad Age for about 1/2 the new price, and the book just came out. You do have to be selective how you search, Battleship will get you hundreds if not thousands of hits and Battle Cruiser will get you in the middle of Star Wars. Lots of good stuff out there to buy so little cash. Sam Pullig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: Jay Schantzen Subject: Interior Color of 1920 USN DD's Does anyone have any idea if the wonderful list of 1943 colors would apply to a USN Destroyer in 1920? DD187 specifically? If not any references? Thanks in advance! Jay Schantzen -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: "Blubber Pud" Subject: Dallas hobby shops Can anyone point me in the right direction for hobby shops in the Dallas TX area. I'm down for a week and would like to check some out. Thanks, Jason -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) From: VONJERSEY@aol.com Subject: Re: New book out --PRE-DREADNOUGHT ALERT! I purchased War at Sea in the Ironclad Age last week from the barnes and noble website. It's great! Richard Hill did a splendid job covering a topic that has been largely ignored for the past hundred years, and does it with great...really rare photos and new maps. The test that I reasd so far is also great... but the photos and maps, alone. make this a must buy book for anyone interested in naval history. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31) From: MDDoremus@aol.com Subject: Re: D & S book on JFK Rusty, Yes indeed, D & S did a volume on the JFK. It is on special at Squadron for November ~ $8.99. Mark Doremus I just send my money to D & S and Squadron, I don't work there. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 32) From: "Bill & Kaja Michaels" Subject: Lindberg's Harriet Lane Daniel Jones wrote: >> Pyro did another Civil War vessel also - the Harriet Lane, and it was one of their best kits. This kit has also been marketed as a "Blockade Runner", which is fairly legit, since the Harriet Lane was captured by the confederates at one point and briefly employed as such. Presumably Lindberg still has this tooling, and it would be nice to see the kit again - scale was listed as 1/124. My example from the late 1950's was molded in four colors of plastic (tan, light blue/gray, black, and white) and included a spool of thread for the rigging and real metal chain for the anchors - details that were omitted in the later more simplified versions of the kit that were also molded in only a single color - usually gray or light blue. << Lindberg released the Harriet Lane as the "Civil War Blockade Runner" around 1990-ish. They released several kits under the "Classic Replica Series" at that time. Other kits included in this series were the Nantucket Lightship, the Liner President, the Bluenose (in a box called "America's Cup Racer!), and the "War of Independence Schooner" which is really a US Revenue Cutter. Up until a few years ago, you could still sometimes find these kits on the shelves of stores. I searched all over for a kit of the Harriet Lane, and finally ended up buying a late 1960s Pyro kit. It is interesting to see how the kit's identity changed over time. My kit box identifies the model as a "Civil War Blockade Runner" and in small type "United States Steam Frigate". A blurb on the side of the box says the kit is so accurate that it ".. is on display at the USCG Academy Museum." There is no other mention of the ship's Revenue Marine (precursor to the USCG) origin, but the kit includes a US flag and a Coast Guard Ensign. Later versions of the kit lost the USCG references and flag..... My kit is molded in 4 colors with the hull in dark green. (There's a painting at the USCG Academy museum of Miss Harriet Lane, with the dark green hulled ship in the background, painted around 1858.) I'm still looking for the latest Lindberg release-- I'd rather build that one than my old Pyro kit. Oddly enough, the Pyro version seems to show up on Ebay more often that the Lindberg kit. (At least when I'm looking!) Bill Check out my US Coast Guard subjects model list at: http://www.tiac.net/users/billkaja/kitlist.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 33) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Submarine Special on C-SPAN C-SPAN, the U.S. cable channel covering the Senate and House Of Representatives, is announcing a two day special program showing life aboard a U.S. nuclear submarine. Scheduled airing is the 26th and 27th of November, but I did not get all the details as I heard it in another room of the house and slipped out in time to see the conclusion of an interview with a boomer's commanding officer. There's still plenty of time to set VCRs and if anyone catches additional details, definitely let us know. I will do likewise as I usually check up on what the lawmakers are doing as breaks allow during the day. Victor Baca -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 34) From: "Darek L." Subject: Re: 1/400 paper models??? >> I just browsed through UK's model dockyard and was amazed to see the quantities of card models they offer especially in my favorite 1/400 scale (What else is there for my french navy). Has anyone tried any? How do they look next to styrene kits? << I work with paper ships a lot. I believe that the most of the 1:400 scale comes from the Polish company JSC. They are ok, especially those recently released ( Yamato ). But their earlier models can be rather simplified. Also their colors might not be very accurate. As for comparison to the styrene models. It all depends how much work you are willing to put in. Just like with the resin and plastic.:-) I think you can find a few pictures of their models; http://www.marcle.clara.net/catap8.html http://www.modellbyggare.com/jsc.htm Darek -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 35) From: "enrico_villa@libero.it" Subject: Re: Questions Hi John, R.C.T. stands for Regio Cacciatorpediniere (Royal Destroyer), while R.N. is Regia Nave (Royal Ship). Regards Enrico -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 36) From: Alan Simon Subject: Re: Kennedy D&S Rusty, Bought a copy for a friend about six months ago from Shaya Novak. Recipient was a friend who served aboard JFK in early 70's. He was thrilled. Alan Simon Atlanta, Ga. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "webmaster" Subject: Skytrek imagery Well, The weathermen were wrong - 90mph winds turned into 150pmh winds......with another twister thrown in for good measure.... Seeing as I couldn't get to work today, I got the Skytrek photos Chris mailed me up into the PicPost pages......enjoy them, they're pretty. Mike SMML Webmaster (waiting for the NEXT storm to hit later this week) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Photo Costs and U.S. National Archives Rusty White mentioned the high cost of photos from the U.S. National Archives and he's right-on. The cost is prohibitive, but that's for the WWII photos I need for modeling. Modern ships are another story altogether. Guys like myself and Kurt Greiner have spent years hanging around ships for detail shots of modern combatants, Coast Guard cutters and commercial ships. We're both ship modelers and fellow SMMLies. My Photomarine Archives files are skinny on the Big-E, but we have decent shots of America and a few others. I'm sure Kurt has his share of shots of modern CVNs as well. Both of our respective ship photo archives are run by ship modelers and we know what you need in the way of photos. For instance, our (Photomarine Archives) major strong point is on-board and drydock photography. Kurt's SeaPhoto company specializes in on-board and aerial photography. In any event, if you are searching for photographic info on modern naval combatants, drop either one of us an e-mail note. You might be pleasantly surprised. Victor Baca Photomarine Archives Model Ship Journal www.modelshipjournal.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume