Subject: SMML VOL 1050 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 23:07:24 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Early Pharaohs' Ghostly Fleet 2: Oklahoma vs Nebraska 3: Oklahoma & Nebraska 4: Re: Konig References 5: Using plastic to build card models? 6: Re: card model ships 7: Re: Nat'l Archives 8: Re: BB Oklahoma BB Nebraska 9: Re: Steve Wiper's books; more to come, I hope 10: Re: National Archives photos 11: Re: Watertight doors 12: Re: Ship interior colors 13: Sverdlov 14: Re: D&S Kennedy and Forrestall books and garbage 15: Re: Dreadnought! 16: New books from Poland 17: Re: Questions 18: 1/72nd scale Revell Flower class Corvette 19: WANTED 20: Re: Konig References 21: Watertight Doors & Damage Control 22: Re: Paper Models 23: Re: R.A. Burt's Books 24: Re: Dallas Hobby Shop 25: Japanese linoleum 26: Navy to Christen New Class of Ocean Surveillance Ship 27: Hunley surfaced down under 28: Re: Kög==nig References 29: USS Ticonderoga and MS33/10A 30: R.A.Burt _British Battleships 1889-1904_ 31: Re: WW2 DD Interior Colour -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Warship Books announcement 2: November Internet Modeler 3: ModelWarships.com November issue -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: Early Pharaohs' Ghostly Fleet http://www.nytimes.com/2000/10/31/science/31GRAV.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: Oklahoma vs Nebraska Duane - Not to belabour the point - the numbers used were not the true battleship hull numbers. Rather they represented the score of the recent Oklahoma/Nebraska football (American style) game. Consider the participants - the Okies are gloating over their (deserved) Number One ranking. Ed Mansfield, TX Oklamoma kicked Texas' butt earlier in the season -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Shirley Sachsen Subject: Oklahoma & Nebraska >> The Nebraska was BB-14, but Oklahoma was BB-37. BB31 was the USS Utah. << I guess not all shipbuilders are college football fans, eh? :-) s -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Steve Holton Subject: Re: Konig References Here are two references available from The Christian Schmidt BookStore: http://www.christian-schmidt.com/ 1) Koop-Schmolke, Von der Nassau zur König Klasse, 1999, 170 pages, 153 photos, many drawings. Price: hc 78,--DM. This book describes the history, the technical aspects and the operations of these ships. 2) Koop-Schmolke, Vom Original zum Modell, Die Linienschiffe der Nassau- bis König-Klasse vom. 1999, 55 pages, 26 photos, 12 photos of a built model. Price: 19,80 DM. This little book is for modellers, because it also contains reduced plans and some detailed photographs of a built model. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Fernando, Yohan" Subject: Using plastic to build card models? Hello, I am pretty impressed with the detail on many card models as well as the selection based on what I've seen on the web. There are a number of 1/400 models by JSC that don't exist in plastic or resin (the British D-class cruisers in particular) that would be great to have a model of. I would like to use the card models as templates to build 1/700 plastic scratchbuilt models. Ideally, after purchasing the card model, I would photocopy the card model sheets and shrink them down to 1/700 scale. Then, instead using paper or card for construction, I would cut the pieces from styrene sheet plastic (of various thicknesses as appropriate) using the 1/700 scale photocopy as templates. The pieces would be assembled, glued and sanded. Places where folds would have been used with the card would end up being two separate pieces attached at the required angle. Most (if not all) deck and superstructure detail like cable reels, searchlights, light AA, etc. would be taken from the spares box, and masts would be constructed from plastic or brass rod. The most difficult part would seem to be the hull, but the sheet styrene I have in mind is quite thin and flexible and should be able to be shaped the same way card would. In the end, the plastic model would be sturdier then a card model and have superior detailing. It would basically be just another plastic model- able to be superdetailed and painted as usual (and displayed with the rest of my 1/700 fleet). I was going to give this idea a try with the Admirable class minesweeper available for free download from Digital Navy before spending any money on a larger model. Any thoughts on other difficulties that might come up? Does this sound feasible at all? Best regards, Yohan Fernando -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: card model ships >> favorite scale. For additional card models you might try: Maritime Card Models - www.harbor.org/models Paper Models International - www.ExpressPages.com/p/papermodels << Also, if you want to try some for FREE, go to www.digitalnavy.com There are several small ship free downloads and an AWSOME 1/250 USS ARIZONA on CD. Cheers, Bob Santos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: Nat'l Archives >> Regarding the cost to reproduce Nat'l Archives photos. they have privatized the process. you can do the research either at the Archives or via the website, but once you select the images you want prints of, you have to go through an independent contractor. the Archives will provide a list of those outfits who have done work for them in the past and it's up to you to select the intermediary. you then pay the intermediary for the cost of processing the image and shipping. I have not actually followed through on the process, but it looks daunting. I'd prefer doing without the middle man, but that's how it's set up nowadays. << There is another way! If you have found prints at the Nat. Archives. (presuming you actually go there), there is a really good photo copy machine right there in the 5th floor photo archive. By really good, I do mean really good. I have used a few of these photos in my books and will continue to. If any of you have seen the quality of my books then you know that I am not blowing smoke. At the risk of tooting my own horn, I believe that I am now producing some of the best photo reproduction in print today. Any way, at $1.00 each, they are a bargain. If you are serious about this, it is worth the trip. Steve Wiper www.classicwarships.simplenet.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: BB Oklahoma BB Nebraska >> Oh by the way for the man checking out US BB's Oklahoma and Nebraska. Oklahoma is BB-37 and Nebraska is BB-14. The Utah is BB-31. I'm not picking on you Steve. << Craig, You didn't get the pun! That weekend the University of Oklahoma (#3 at the time) beat the University of Nebraska (#1 at the time) 31 to 14. Not a factual comment. Just having some fun. Rusty White Flagship Models - Photo Etched Details for Warships http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ Order online with Visa & Master card (US only) "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: Steve Wiper's books; more to come, I hope >> Just don't make the mistake you did with vol 6 (Omaha class CLs) and omit a set of plans. That one could have even have used two sets: one each early and late refits. << Burt, I dont mean to be rude, so please dont take this the wrong way, PLEASE! That type of book is called a PHOTO ALBUM for a reason. There are at least three sets of plans available thru Floating Drydock, which is listed, address and all, at the back of the book. Please support that business as well. It takes a huge amount of time to make and or provide drawings. I believe that the photos by themselves are of such a value, that I can justify supplying them alone. So, I did not make a mistake. And besides that, these books are only, now, $12.00, with hundreds of dollars worth of photos, if you were to purchase them seperatly. I do these books because this is what I would want, and do! Thanks for you support, Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: National Archives photos Yes, you can do some research of the archives on the web (very little). They do have a limited number of images of the more well know vessels but what they have on line doesn't even scratch the surface of their total holdings. I would guess less than 1% of their total holdings are available through their web site. It's unfortunate that they privatized the reproduction services. As I said, it was one the few good deals left in this world. What it would cost to continue to fund that resource (including reasonable reproduction costs) wouldn't even make a drop in the proverbial bucket of this nations budget. Rusty White Flagship Models - Photo Etched Details for Warships http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ Order online with Visa & Master card (US only) "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Matthew Prager" Subject: Re: Watertight doors BSteinIPMS@aol.com wrote: >> I do have one question which doesn't seem to be answered on the site and I haven't seen the answer in any of the other publications I used for reference in building my 1/192 scale model of USS KIDD, DD 661... To give the model a more "lived in" and open look I wanted to have many of the deckhouse watertight doors in the open position...what color were the doors painted on their interior surfaces? << Just a couple of notes from my time underway on USN warships: 1. Watertight doors are never open on the weather deck while underway, (or for that matter while in port) with the exception of the port and starboard bridge wing doors which may be open for a period of time for ease of access of the OOD and Conning Officer. They're not watertight if they're open, and it makes it harder to maintain the AC/heat. 2. Interior colors of modern USN ships are not necessarily off-white. Generally they are a light tan, light blue, light green, or some other light pastel color - depending upon the desires of the chain of command and the availability of paint. The interior side of a watertight door may be the color of the compartment it opens into or it may be gray, again depending on who is in charge when it gets painted. Matt Prager Ingleside, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Ship interior colors Bob, I can't site this as confirmed accurate with documents. Only with what I have observed and been told many times by sailors and officers alike. The general color for nearly all naval vessels during WW2 (and today as I'm told) is semi gloss white. The reasons given to me made sense. Plain and simple, since the source of outside light on warships is terrible at best, white interior colors make it easier for crewmen to see and it reflects light given off by fixtures as well as the few natural light sources on the ships. Same goes for carrier hangar bays for the same reason. Tank interiors were and are painted white for the same reasons as well. I'm sure there are exceptions to the rule, and as I said I can't quote any documents. However, it makes sense. For what it's worth. Rusty White Flagship Models - Photo Etched Details for Warships http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ Order online with Visa & Master card (US only) "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "JAmes McCormick" Subject: Sverdlov The last few years have seen the market for 1/350th kits BOOM! I have been lucky enough to get Alaska, Salem, Graf Spee, and a number of destroyers in resin, although my building skills are not to the point where I could do these kits justice (I am currently working on USS Lake Erie, a late Tico class cruiser). BTW, thank you Rusty for your short arcticle about Samuel B Roberts, the paint mix will come in handy. Anyhoo, I was worndering if anyone, anywhere, had any thought on Russia's last all gun cruiser (Mr Wiper, Mr Bishop, Mr Paris, Mr Warneke, Mr Hall: are any of you listening?), the Sverdlov? Oh, BTW, Rusty, it's pronounced OHH ESSS YOU, not OU, and they play in Columbus, Ohio. Someday, cooper will GO, and the one, true coach, Mr Woody Hayes, will stop spinning in his grave. Jim McCormick -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: D&S Kennedy and Forrestall books and garbage Thanks to everyone who made suggestions and helped out finding me a Kennedy and Forestall book. I had already tossed my catalogue and my wife was giving me a weird look as I was digging through the garbage like a Raccoon (can turned over and everything). She thought I tossed a twenty in the garbage. She thought that was the only thing that would give me cause to dig through garbage. I thought she knew me better than that where models are concerned. While sitting in the midst of the pile of garbage looking through the catalogue, (why couldn't I wait to get inside) a blinding flash lit up the whole sorted scene. You guessed it. While my head was in the garbage can, she ran into the house and grabbed a camera! I know this will cost me big at Christmas to get the negs back. I'll be darned! I checked out my Squadron Mail Order catalogue and (as was posted yesterday) there was the Kennedy and Forestall books ON SALE! My check's in the mail! Now I just need to get that photo before my wife plasters it all over cyber space. Rusty White Flagship Models - Photo Etched Details for Warships http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ Order online with Visa & Master card (US only) "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "J. London" Subject: Re: Dreadnought! Dreadnaught or Dreadnought? There have been a number of references to Dreadnaught and, while naught is an archaic form of nought, it should not be used in reference to the battleship of 1906 which was named DREADNOUGHT. Just thought I would mention it. Michael London -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Damian Pliszka Subject: New books from Poland Hi group, At least there is released first parts of monographs from AJ Press about Tirpitz and USS Saratoga/Lexington. Tirpitz is bilingual ie. summary in English an Polish/English photo and drawing captions. Interesting camouflage schemes (IMHO Germans during Tirpitz stay in Norwegian fjords have A LOT OF TIME), and of course plans on 4 A1 sheets. First part covers Tirpitz's design and history up to 1942. Second part will be released next year. USS Lexington/Saratoga monograph (1. part) covers her design, painting, many photos mainly pre-war, drawings na 4 A1 sheets. It is couriosity that USS Saratoga was in 1945 armed in 96 (!!) 40 mm guns. BTW, there is also released new Profile Morskie No.31 with IJN Ise. What a happy time for naval modellers in Poland... ;-) Damian Pliszka -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Ian Wood & Ellen Hume & Adara Wood Subject: Re: Questions >> R.C.T. stands for Regio Cacciatorpediniere (Royal Destroyer), while R.N. is Regia Nave (Royal Ship). << My ha'penny's worth is, from memory, that Destroyers were originally developed to kill torpedo boats, and hence were called "torpedo destroyers" or Destroyer Torpedoes. Similarly, until recently, frigates of the Royal Navy were titled Her Magesty's Frigate #insert name#, as Frigates were not 'ships of the line' (same for sloops, corvettes etc). Things were a little complicated in Napoleonic times as a frigate was technically a ship (having three masts), and a sloop could be a ship but could not be a frigate if commanded by a lieutenant (indeed some sloops historically became frigates when a post captain took command - and reverted to sloop when he moved on) and so the designation in this case was more to differentiate between commanding officers than the ship. The point to this is that strict translations may be very accurate for what was meant (at the begining of the (last) century (insert 'last' if you believe we are now in the new century)). And they may be confusing as well unless you know the context. This little thread has sparked an imagined need for a diorama showing a battleship line screened by destroyers from a swarm of torpedo boats. Ranges would be rather small, less that 4000 yards across the entire battle? If the ground scale is, say, one fifth of the model scale (1:700 / 5 = 1:3500) then the dio would be about a metre across. cheers Ian, New Zealand PS: I like threads of all descriptions: It can be amazing what one comment triggers in another person. And I use my intellimouse to move past those posts I am less interested in. I see this as a community, and a very dry one it would be without human interaction. I give Shane my full support for a great job, and my congratulations to all who post on this list, regardless of topicality. PPS: Grim reading about USS Cole. As an ex fishhead with some limited damage control experience I can see they had one hell of a time. It appears from the sidelines that the fighting spirit of US Navy personnel has not decreased since WW2: they could have let her die but instead fought on, and on and on. I see it as important that all personnel of the USN (and others) receive support from us for the job they do and the risks they take on our behalf, and I thank those on this list who have done just that. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Victor Prall" Subject: 1/72nd scale Revell Flower class Corvette I picked up one of these monsters the other day, and was wondering if there are any after-market products (photoetch and resin replacement parts) available for this kit. I am also interested in literature ( history and pictures) available for the Flower class. Victor Prall -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Friedrich Kappes Subject: WANTED 10,000 Thank-yous AWARDED Who knows the email address of: Earl Palmer Brown 6935 Arlington Rd. Bethesda MD 20814 Greetings Friedrich The FriedrichFiles http://sites.netscape.net/friedkappes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Craig R Bennett Subject: Re: Konig References Hello Shane Do you have a book called Battleships and Battle Cruisers of the World 1905-1970. By Siegried Breyer. It has very good drawings of the ships you are asking about. Craig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Watertight Doors & Damage Control Bob asked - Subject: American destroyer camouflage - doors? >> Attaching the doors with all of their added rib, frame, latching dogs, and locking mechanism detail in the open position gave rise to the question......what color were the doors painted on their interior surfaces? << A visit to a museum ship (or museum's web site) might clear that up, provided they are adhering to the proper camouflage usage. During WW2, I'd think flat black or the same color as the exterior door and bulkhead would be most likely. >> I wanted to (and eventually did) paint them a subdued flat white, like the interior compartments would have been, and like I've seen on a number of more modern warships. This would make them more visible against the Haze Gray of the deckhouse exterior and would provide additional detail and interest. << On contemporary ships, the interior of watertight doors that open to the weather decks are generally painted flat black or haze gray, but I've seen white, too. Depending on the class of ship, DDs often had double doors along the main deck and 01 level: an interior non-watertight door and an exterior watertight door. The inside of the outermost door, the space in between (about 3 or 4 feet in length), and the outside of the inner door would be painted black all around. A removable black screen could be installed, too. The purpose of this design was to prevent light from escaping during periods of 'darken ship'. Often lights would automatically shut off if the WTD was opened. The ARLEIGH BURKE class of ship have pressurized systems to minimize contamination from entering the skin of the ship; the inner door must be closed before opening the outer door. >> I reasoned that in a combat zone, or more probably, when action was imminent, the doors would have been closed up, if not dogged, and hence would't spoil the ships camouflage. << Doors are dogged while at sea under the above circumstances. I don't know if the same classifications were used in WW2, but maybe somebody else knows - an old DCA perhaps - and can talk about the USN material conditions of readiness. Principal ones in use today are: X-ray (peacetime use in port during normal working hours - fittings closed unless in use), Yoke (peacetime use at sea and in port after regular hours - may be opened without permission if necessary to do work), Zebra (during GQ, fire or flooding, and when entering or leaving port in wartime - must be guarded when permitted to be open), Dog Zebra (required to darken ship, e.g. port hole covers), William (sea suction valves - normally open unless radioactive contamination is probably) and Circle William (ventilation - open except to prevent NBC contamination or smoke from entering a space). Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "Ken P LeMaster" Subject: Re: Paper Models If you want to look at an article on building paper models, the new Ships in Scale has an article on building a USS San Francisco in 1/250 scale from Wilhelmshaven. Several nice photos. Also, if you go to: http://www.digitalnavy.com/ they have a couple of free ship models to download including a 1/700 HMS Dreadnought. This is a cheap way to see if you like the meduim. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: "Roger/Sharon Torgeson" Subject: Re: R.A. Burt's Books >> On the hard to find book front, does anyone know where I can get hold of a copies of R.A Burt's books on British Battleships, including the Victorian one? - Seem even rarer than Raven and Roberts << Kevin, Contact me at rtorgeson@web-o.net I know of two new copies Roger Torgeson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: "Michael Quan" Subject: Re: Dallas Hobby Shop To "Blubber Pud" who is visiting the Dallas Texas area and wants to visit Dallas hobby shops. The shop of choice is Phil's Hobbies located in Farmers Branch, a suburb north of downtown Dallas. Visit their website for directions and a map. Go to www.philshobbies.com Their address is: Phil's Hobbies 2740 Valwood Parkway #105 Farmers Branch, Texas 75234 phone: (972) 243-3603 They carry the most extensive selection of plastic ship models and accessories in Dallas, and their selection of other plastic kits, and displays of built models is worth the visit. good model hunting, Mike Quan Rockwall Texas (no affiliation to Phil's except that they end up with a lot of my money every week in return for my plastic fix!) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "Mike C" Subject: Japanese linoleum Hi Group, Can anyone tell me if the interior decks of Japanese destroyers used the same color linoleum as the weather decks, or was it some other color? I suppose they could also just be painted metal. I got a wild hair and opened the rear hatches on a 1/200 AKIZUKI side project and now the color question has me scratching my head in confusion. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Mike Czibovic -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: "Bruce" Subject: Navy to Christen New Class of Ocean Surveillance Ship NAVY TO CHRISTEN NEW CLASS OF OCEAN SURVEILLANCE SHIP The U.S. Navy will christen the first of its new class of ocean surveillance ship USNS Impeccable (T-AGOS 23) at Halter Marine in Pascagoula, Miss., during a 1 p.m. CST ceremony on Wed., Nov. 1, 2000. H. Lee Buchanan III, assistant secretary of the Navy, Research, Development and Acquisition, will be the ceremony's principal speaker. Leah Gansler, wife of Jacques S. Gansler, under secretary of Defense for Acquisition, Technology and Logistics, and Margareta Augustine, wife of Norman Augustine, former chairman and chief executive officer of Lockheed Martin Corp., will serve as ship's co-sponsors. In time-honored Navy tradition they will break bottles of champagne across the bow to formally name the ship. Ocean surveillance ship names convey positive traits of capability or accomplishment. This is the second ship to carry the name Impeccable. The first Impeccable (AM 320) was a minesweeper (1944-1947). To strengthen the American fleet units in Korea, Impeccable was recommissioned in 1952. In February 1955, the ship was reclassified MSF-320 and in October 1955 was again decommissioned. Impeccable received three battle stars for World War II service and two for Korean service. Surveillance ships serve as a stable platform to gather underwater acoustical data. Impeccable was specifically designed to deploy two underwater listening devices called surveillance towed-array sensor system (SURTASS) used to augment the Navy's antisubmarine warfare capability. The SURTASS mission is to gather ocean acoustical data and through electronic equipment onboard, process and provide rapid transmission of antisubmarine warfare information via satellite to shore stations for evaluation and analysis. Built on a small water plane area twin hull design for greater stability at slow speeds in high latitudes under adverse weather conditions, Impeccable is larger and faster then her predecessor Victorious class ship. This ship is 281 feet in length, has a beam of 95.9 feet, displaces 5,370 long tons, and is capable of sustaining speeds up to 12 knots. Built by Halter Marine in Pascagoula, Miss., and operated by the Navy's Military Sealift Command, Washington, D.C., the ship is always forward deployed - having no homeport, and is crewed by approximately 20 civilian mariners, 10 technicians and up to 20 Navy personnel. Additional information on ocean surveillance ships is available on line http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/ships/ship-tagos2.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: william cardamone - PTA Subject: Hunley surfaced down under Yes the Hunley finally made it to our TV screens Monday night,cable that is. I thought it was a good doco. even though the sub only surfaced for a few seconds. I blinked and it was over. But seriously the history behind the whole storey was interesting. Unless I make a special trip to the USA, minus my wife "she thinks its just a piece of rusted metal" I'll probably won't see it in the flesh. So if anyone has a web site that I can visit please let me know. And by the way the wife did enjoyed the Hunley storey also. Regards from Melbourne,Australia. William.C -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: Subject: Re: Kög==nig References Hello Shane W, Sorry if you got no reply to your last request, but I have been doing a bit of scrolling just recently and tend to miss things as the text wizzes past. In answer to your question about how I decided what details to include in the WEM PE set, the first thing was to get as much as possible into the given space. The references used for the job came in the shape of some very nice plans from a maritime archive in Germany, which is how the details for the Torpedo net shelving came about, to which I owe thanks to Falk Pletscher. Other references include Warship Profile 37, which is an old publication but has a clear picture of Grosser Kurfurst the day before war was declared. This shows her bow crest to good effect. Battleships of the World (1905- 1970) gives some good photographs. I also had another book which I borrowed from WEM HQ but cannot remeber the title exactly, maybe Dave Carter can help you with that one. Most of the drawings I used came from the set of plans though, which proved to be most useful. All the best Peter Hall WEM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: "Bob Pearson" Subject: USS Ticonderoga and MS33/10A Greetings all, For some reason I have been inspired to build an Essex class carrier (I don't know why. .. its not RN). I have settled on the Ticonderoga, and she is now ready for paint. However I find I am in need of references showing MS33/10A as worn by her. I have photos showing her stbd side clearly, as well as most of the port side, but any drawings would be really helpful. Thanks, Bob Pearson Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) From: Minadmiral@aol.com Subject: R.A.Burt _British Battleships 1889-1904_ >> On the hard to find book front, does anyone know where I can get hold of a copies of R.A Burt's books on British Battleships, including the Victorian one? - Seem even rarer than Raven and Roberts << Hi; Searching for "R.A.Burt" on: http://www.bookfinder.com I found 3 copies from $87-$114. Is this the book you are looking for? Try the above site. It has not only enlarged my library but my credit card balance as well. Chuck Duggie WoodenWalls Listmeister Naval wargamer, amateur naval historian, and ship modeler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31) From: "WEM" Subject: Re: WW2 DD Interior Colour >> Was there a standard color for the interiors on WW 2 destroyers? << I'm sure there was, but I'm not sure we have identified it. Check the various WW2 painting instructions on John Sheridan's portion of our website, and contact John directly if you have trouble finding what you need. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys http://www.shipcamouflage.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Keith Butterley Subject: Warship Books announcement Hi all, New books from Classic Warships: USS Yorktown 64pp 119 photos USS Indianoplis/USS Portland 64pp 122 photos Each (shipping not included) Canada $18Cdn US/INT'L $12US UK 9GBP Steve Wiper informs me that the Omaha, Louisville, Minneapolis and San francisco books will be going up in price to $11.95US. I still have them in limited amounts for $10US. The Texas book will be going for $13.95US, I have it for $12US, again in limited amounts. Regards Keith Butterley http://www.warshipbooks.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Bob Pearson" Subject: November Internet Modeler Greetings all, The November Internet Modeler is now posted and it contains the following On Topic material - Academy 1/600 RMS Titanic by Richard Eaton - WEM 1/700 Tribal by me - Modelcraft 1/500 Oriana first look by MIchael Benolkin (this is so new the instructions aren't ready yet) - Warship Pictorial: Omaha Class Cruiser book review - HMCS Haida walkaround and lots of off topic stuff as well Regards, Bob Pearson Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Cadman Subject: ModelWarships.com November issue ModelWarships.com has released it's November issue New Reviews for November include; Blue Water Navy's USS Atlanta Light Cruiser a 1/350 Resin kit Gold Medal Models SMS Konig Photo Etch detail set Gold Medal Models 1/350 Scale Cable Reels Photo Etch detail set White Ensign Models 1/700 Dockyard Mateys Railroad equipment for your dockside diorama Warships Perspectives #2 Atlanta Class Cruisers of WWII By Glenn Arnold The Floating Drydocks USS Juneau detail book Columbia Pictures DAS BOOT is now on DVD. In the Features section; Andy Elwood begins a multi part series on building ICM's new 1/350 scale Konig Other features will be added through out the month, including the ongoing USS Cushing buildup, and the Guadalcanal History features. I have quite a few new pictures for the gallery as well. Stop by and check it out the what's new button for details. Timothy Dike Webmaster and Editor ModelWarships.com http://www.modelwarships.com/index1.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume