Subject: SMML VOL 1051 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 22:42:27 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Purple Heart 2: Dallas hobby shops 3: Nautical Research Guild Conference Report 4: Armored Cruiser/Great White Fleet-era kits? 5: HMS Delhi Light Cruiser 6: HP Models Dutch Cruisers 7: Steve Wiper books - addendum 8: Flower class 9: Re: Konig References 10: Cole Photos 11: Re: Ship interior colors 12: Rare photo in a lack-luster book 13: Yohan's Plastic Card idea 14: Re: College football 15: Re: watertight doors 16: Re: Japanese linoleum 17: Straws in the wind....... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation 1: PT 171 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Classic Warships next books at the printer! 2: Classic Warships, Future Book Update! 3: FS: Wasa Battle station -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Tom Eisenhour Subject: Purple Heart Are the dead and wounded on the Cole eligible for the Purple Heart medal? Or is that only awarded in wartime? Tom Eisenhour -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Michael C. Smith" Subject: Dallas hobby shops Dallas seems really thin on good hobby shops, at least that I've found (hope I'm wrong). I used to like Paradise Hobby, but it closed up several years back. The one I go to, and which has been there over half a century, is M-A-L Hobby Shop in downtown Irving. It's a little hole in the wall, but I swear they have everything I want everytime I stop by. They carry books, magazines, models, trains - lots of stuff I'm interested in. They have a web page which I'd check for directions - I keep getting lost trying to find them, and I've been going to Irving all my life. I'd appreciate some pointers from Dallas members on other stores. Michael Smith Marshall, Texas -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: GKingzett@aol.com Subject: Nautical Research Guild Conference Report Bob Steinbrunn neglected to mention in his report that after the harbor tour was over, the attendees were privileged to go to the Mariner's Museum and see a real ship, his model of the USS Kidd, which, as many of you know, won the August Crabtree award for Best of Show for the 2000 Mariner's Museum contest. Based upon the Bluejacket wooden kit. The model is extraordinary. To my eyes it looks more like a ship than the full size ones do. The detail is exquisite, but I am most impressed by Bob's use of color. It is a very colorful model without being garish. The colors, scale effect, and weathering appear to be in the model, not on it. I hope a photo spread, or article, or book is forthcoming. o not pass up an opportunity to see this model. We warship modelers can be grateful that this model helps legitimize our niche in the overall ship modeling fraternity. It won out over a number of excellent traditional models of sailing vessels. The Kidd (and its builder) deserve full recognition for this achievement. Congratulations, Bob. Gary Kingzett -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Armored Cruiser/Great White Fleet-era kits? OK, the Olympia and the Oregon and the Dresden/Emden have got me spoiled - I'm even buying piecacrap Chicom kits of Imperial Chinese deathtrap armored cruisers. So, what I want to know is: 1. What kits of armored cruisers and/or pre-dreadnoughts (actually ships up through WW-I) are for sale (by whom? how good?) 2. What reference sources for same are there? 3. What aftermarket supplies for same are there? Also, anybody know about the USS Chester? What is the better kit, and where can I get it? FINALLY, is there a kit of the Dreadnought herself? If so, what, where, etc. Thanks mightily Ned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "FCR" Subject: HMS Delhi Light Cruiser Hello list In the "Navires & Histoire" Nš4 is one article about the attack against the RN Light-Cruiser HMS Delhi. Besides the small picture that it comes in the "Jane's Fighting Ship's of WWII" I have never seen such image or draw of this cruiser after her refit in the USA. It is amazing ... I like it so much that I am going to built it in "scratch-built". Unfortunately there aren't many pictures of this ship in my archives, so if anyone have some pictures of the ship after the 1941 refit or top line drawings of it I would thank for some collaboration or even some information. Thanks in advance. Compliments Filipe C. Ramires Lisboa, PORTUGAL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "FCR" Subject: HP Models Dutch Cruisers Hello again I am fascinated to see that this company released three WWII Dutch light-cruisers at 1/700. They are the De Ruyter, Java and Tromp. I saw there review also in the "Navires & Histoires" Nš4 and I was wondering if anyone have some information about the quality of the models and their respective price. Thanks again. Regards Filipe C. Ramires Lisboa, PORTUGAL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: HAZEGRAYADM@aol.com Subject: Steve Wiper books - addendum Steve: I would like to expand on my wish list for you warship book project by requesting your doing lots of aircraft carrier subjects, still in WW II. Each by class would be fine, but I don't know what kind of giant volume you would do if you tackled the Essex or Casablanca classes or the like (Maybe part I & II, etc.). Bert McDowell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Flower class Hi Victor For literature try John Lambert's Flower Class Corvettes in World War Two from WR Press. Lots of excellent drawings and photos as well. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Steve Sobieralski" Subject: Re: Konig References There is, of course, Warship Profile 37 on the Konig, and there is a plan and profile drawing in P.C. Coker's Building Warship Models which is credited to Gunter Trenk. I assume that there are accurate plans of the ship available, probably through German sources. I would guess that most of the detail items mentioned (hatches, doors, liferings, etc.) were standard throughout the German navy and are probably easily documented. Steve Sobieralski -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: RhinoBones@aol.com Subject: Cole Photos For anyone interested, I have a zip file with five jpg pictures of the USS Cole (DDG 67) loaded onto the Norwegian heavy transport ship M/V Blue Marlin located off the coast of Yemen. In addition to the blast damage, the entire undercarriage of the ship is visible. SONAR blister, props, shafts, rudder, . . . and for you waterliners who poked fun at the earlier thread concerning weathering of the lower hull, you get to see what salt corrosion does to a ships udder. Free to any good home. BTW, the zipped files is a bit over 400k. Regards, RhinoBones -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Bill McBride" Subject: Re: Ship interior colors I have a photo of HOWORTH (DD-592) in Measure 31 in 1944 that shows a main deck watertight door open, underway in the Western Pacific, with the interior of the door painted to match the pattern of the exterior bulkhead it was opened against. The interior passageway is in shadow but a large [junction] box on the bulkhead is painted a light color and quite visible. My recollection from three years in a GEARING about 30 years ago was that the inside of most main deck and superstructure watertight doors were painted white. The only exceptions were doors that entered onto a starboard-side vestibules to a main deck hatch that led down to the fire and engine rooms. These vestibules were painted flat black. I also seem to recall a similar black vestibule on the starboard side (but not port) of the amidships, athwartships, main deck passageway forward of the oil shack.) Bill McBride -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Barton B Cox Subject: Rare photo in a lack-luster book Found and purchased a book called "Ships of World War 11" at a Barnes and Noble for $13.95. The book is a dud, full of very old photos ( Japanese ship photos from pre-WW2 Jane's), inaccuracies, misstatements, and erroneous information. The reason I bought it is that it has a decent and fairly large photo of HMS Centurion as she was remodeled to resemble HMS Anson and perform as a decoy to mislead the enemy as to Anson's actual deployment. This is the only photo that I have seen of this conversion in my 30 years of studying and collecting warship reference books. It is on page 27 of this slim volume. I don't have a scanner to include the photo but anyone interested can check it out. It is about the only reason to buy this book. As an example of bad info it lists the displacement of the Japanese cruiser Takao as 41,217 tons normal and 47,000 tons full load. Barton Cox E-mail is bartoncox@juno.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Yohan's Plastic Card idea I like Yohan's idea to substitute sheet styrene for paper in building card models. Styrene is much more suitable for a small scale model and should survive changes in ambient temperature and humidity much better. Really thin sheet styrene behaves like cardstock and would take folds or cutting with ease. Good luck with your model, Yohan and keep us posted. Victor Baca Model Ship Journal -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: College football >> I guess not all shipbuilders are college football fans, eh? :-) << A few of us are. Now if Arizona could fire the most predictable coach in college football, Dick "Gee, I thinks we should run it up the middle, again" Tommey, we might actually make it to some other bowl game than the "Toilet Bowl", to be played in Gila Bend, AZ, other wise known as the arm pit of the world. I need another 64 ouncer, fast! Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: watertight doors >> 1. Watertight doors are never open on the weather deck while underway << Oh my! I have learned to not the word "never" when talking about this sort of thing. I have a lot, and I do mean alot, of photos of ships underway with all kinds of doors open. Not all sailors listen to orders, let alone remember them. Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: Japanese linoleum >> Can anyone tell me if the interior decks of Japanese destroyers used the same color linoleum as the weather decks, or was it some other color? I suppose they could also just be painted metal. I got a wild hair and opened the rear hatches on a 1/200 AKIZUKI side project and now the color question has me scratching my head in confusion. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. << Mike (Col. Flagg), I think this was a slightly darker shade of the kind used on the exterior, due to weathering. Just add 1.2% black to your mixture, to achieve result desired. Hope this helps, Capt. Tuttle -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Colin Ritchie Subject: Straws in the wind....... This was culled from the REC.Model.Scale news group to-day , its part of a report on the Recent Chicago hobby show by Jennings Helig, (Decals Czar!) and might be of interest >> In talking with Michael from ICM, they have *LOTS* of **REALLY** interesting stuff on the drawing boards. They showed box art for their new Bf109 family (well, okay, I know, but hey), as well as a bubble top Spit XVI. Michael told me about some of the ship projects they have in the works (the Hood is coming soon), and let's just say that if you're a 1/350 scale fan and like USN aircraft carriers, your day may be near! << Maybe Tamiya have missed the boat with the Essex kit(Pun intended), either way it could be an expensive 2001! Colin Ritchie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Ned Barnett Subject: PT 171 From: "Leslie Brown" >> I understand that the latest edition of the IPMS(USA) magazine has an article on converting the Revell PT117 to a late war PT171. Can anyone let me have a copy? Thanks in advance << Les, it wouldn't hurt you to join ... If you have a fax number, I'm a life member and can make and fax you a copy ... along with a membership ap Ned Barnett IPMS 5544 Life Member and Damned Proud of It (and I once made an IMPS "nationals" model out of a styrofoam Cheezy Poof!) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Classic Warships next books at the printer! Both #9 and #10 are at the printer as of last Monday, and should be out by the first of December. Warship Pictorial #9 - Yorktown Class Carriers This book covers the three ships of this class, Yorktown CV-5, Enterprise CV-6, and Hornet CV-8. There are a grand total of 122 photos in this book, in an expanded edition of 64 pages. This class of ship has been well covered in previous books, but never this many good photos in one publication for the price of $12 US. Warship Pictorial #10 - Indianapolis & Portland This book covers two famous heavy cruisers in a total of 122 photos, on an expanded version of 64 pages. With the Portland, lots of unpublished photos. Indianapolis photo coverage includes a bunch of photos I found since my first publication on this subject. There are a lot of great close up photos of every inch of both ships, for only $12 US. These and all previous books are available thru Pacific Front Hobbies, and many other good hobby and military book outlets. Thank you, Steve Wiper www.classicwarships.simplenet.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Classic Warships, Future Book Update! It would appear that I am one the right track with the response I have seen on the SMML. I hope that all of you out there in SMML'y land have enjoyed this as much as I have. Please feel free to keep sending in the suggestions to the SMML. Thank you, one and all. Warship Pictorial #11 - Lexington Class Carriers This book will cover the two ships of this famous class of US Navy aircraft carriers, the Lexington CV-2, and her sister, Saratoga CV-3. I have over 200 photos that I have to chisel down to about 120, so it will be very thorough in its coverage. I have the Lexington section laid out and ready for captions, and have a good start on the Saratoga section. All this in 64 pages. Warship Pictorial #12 - Arleigh Burke Class DDG's This will be my first venture into the modern US Navy, covering the newest surface ship to be in production. I have acquired over 300 photos, covering almost every ship in the class, including the newest commissioned units, as of this coming December! Tons of great photos on all points of these ships, weapons, fittings, hull, superstructure, etc., all in 64 pages. I am aiming for an April release date on both of the above titles, and a retail price of $12 US. Thanks, Steve Wiper www.classicwarships.simplenet.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: JVT7532@aol.com Subject: FS: Wasa Battle station Hello everyone, I have to thin out my collection a bit (daughters getting married) and I have a mint in the Box Wasa Battle station that I bought a few years back and will just never get around to it. It is a very complete kit with cannon, flags, metal and wood parts, etc. I would just like to get my money back that I paid for it, as it goes for much more these days if you can find it. I am asking $85.00 plus postage USD. Your pick your postage but I suggest airmail with insurance as I cannot be responsible for lost goods in the postal system. Please contact me directly off list for more information if you are interested. Many thanks to all. Best regards, Jon -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume