Subject: SMML VOL 1059 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 17:01:23 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: NY hobby shops 2: Re: Daddy's war and celeb modelers 3: celebrity servicemen 4: USS Saratoga CV-3 5: Re: Bits to do with battleships 6: Cheesy Poofs 7: Re: Dads in WW II 8: Visit very far south, ver far! 9: Re: Celebs 10: U.S.S. Oregon 11: AOTS HMS Victorious 12: Re: Neville Brand 13: What did I do in the war 14: Celebrities in the service 15: Re: Cheesy Poofs 16: Re: Bits to do with battleships 17: Paddle-wheeler steamboat 18: 1/48 (1/4"=1') WW1 Subchaser decals 19: list 20: Bonham Carter 21: Dad's war 22: Help 23: AIRFIX 24: Ingalls Shipbuilding Selected to Repair USS Cole 25: Re: Celebrity Veterans 26: Haunted Hornet and dogged hatches 27: HMCS Haida: closed for the winter 28: National Geographic Footage 29: CV footage..SBD bouncing off deck -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation 1: APMA meeting tomorrow 2: Dutch Nationals next saterday -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Re: USS SARATOGA CV-3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Robert and Janis Leonti Subject: NY hobby shops Does anyone have information on good hobby shops in the New York City, Long Island N.Y. area Capt. Bob Leonti -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Christopher Crofoot Subject: Re: Daddy's war and celeb modelers Well my father was a bit too young for the war. His older brother, my uncle, was a Marine that made several landings in the Pacific. My father said that he never liked to talk about it. Evidently, he was also involved in developing and served on a Rocket armed LST. At one point, my uncle, sent my father a war prize, It is a rather crude, bulky bracelet hammered out of the skin of a Japanese Zero that my uncles unit brought down with ground fire. (I don't know if I believe that ground fire bit! ). As far as celebrity modelers, Ronald Reagan, was a modeler. I've an article somewhere of a scratchbuilt SS United States that he built. It was about 3 feet long. Chris Crofoot "Quemadmoeum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est" A sword is never a killer, it is a tool in the killer's hands. Seneca, 45 AD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: raisingirl@mindspring.com Subject: celebrity servicemen hi all.... Mark Krumrey wrote: >> Johnny Carson was a Naval officer. << Sure was -- Carson served aboard the battleship Pennsylvania late in WWII and was aboard when she was torpedoed in 1945. One of his jobs after the torpedoing was to help supervise the clean-up, including the removal of bodies. At least one biographer has said that it deeply affected him, and to this day Carson doesn't like to talk about his war years too much. However, he did tell a story one night shortly before he retired from "The Tonight Show" about what it was like to be a young, peach-fuzz-faced, newly-minted ensign having to give orders to all these grizzled chiefs at least twice his age.... :) Struggling to return this thread to ship modeling, has anyone out there ever pondered constructing a model of a Barnegat (AVP-10) class small seaplane tender? These also served in the Coast Guard as the Casco class cutters. I've been thinking about doing one for years and years, since my best friend's dad served on the Valcour when she was COMIDEASTFOR flagship. These were really cool little ships, but they get overlooked. I'm interested to see if anyone else has had thoughts similar to mine.... jodie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Fernando, Yohan" Subject: USS Saratoga CV-3 >> Does any one know if the USS SARATOGA CV-3 in it's modified bridge configuration has windows or portholes on the 3rd level bridge just below the deck with the range finder and mast. I'm not sure and references aren't clear. << I'm not sure off the top of my head, but I think there is one really nice close up photo of the modified bridge in Friedman's 'US Carriers' which may answer your question. Yohan Fernando -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Fernando, Yohan" Subject: Re: Bits to do with battleships I think that the approach on the Combined Fleet site is the fairest and most objective I have seen on the topic. Sure, its not perfect but it explains the rational behind the scores quite clearly. In far too many cases, people build arguments for this sort of thing based on patriotism/nationalism/personal preference etc. When it comes down the battleships, people have strong personal preferences, and there is nothing wrong with that. But anyone can make a case for a certain design being better than the rest. And as anyone knows, there really is no thing as the 'best' or 'baddest' battleship (or any other type of ship for the matter). There are just too many random factors in combat and not enough (if not any at all) 'controlled' combat tests to determine which ship was really superior over the other. What is really important is how effective and useful the design turned out to be in the context of history. And even then, it can be very subjective. Comparing designs and technical specs is really of little value in my book, but at least the Combined Fleet model was clear and well-thought out. Yohan Fernando -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Cheesy Poofs >> By the way as a new member to this list what are Cheesy Poofs ?? and can I use them to make better models!!!!!!!! << Cheesy Poofs are the preferred snack food by Eric Cartman. He's a foul mouthed little brat on the South Park TV series. The quote I use at the end of all my emails is from one of the earlier episodes. As for using them to make better models? I prefer not to get into that. Rusty White Flagship Models - Photo Etched Details for Warships http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ We now accept Visa & MasterCard world wide via Pay Pal "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: Dads in WW II I don't usually get into these discussions but my Dad died a couple of years ago and I'll like to tell what he did. Dad was in the US Army before the war, a Tech Sgt. serving as a motorcycle dispatch rider for Patton. He was involved in a pretty bad accident and discharged for medical reasons, still before the was. When the war started, Dad was already in his 30's, married, with three children, and medically discharged. He would never have had to serve but he couldn't stay out. He joined the Merchant Marine and served in the convoys to Europe. After surviving four round trips as a seaman he was sent to Kings Point to train as an officer and completed the war as such. During the war he survived three sinkings and was present at D-Day in a Ammo-Ship. I'm still very proud of him. Cheers, Bob Santos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Visit very far south, ver far! I will be making a quick visit to the wonderful land of New Zealand, starting tomorrow, and would like to see some suggested places to visit. Please, no expeditions 3 feet beyond a cliff edge, or possible snipe hunts to Old Zealand. I will be staying in the Wellington area, and conducting sorties from that base of operations. I would like to know of some museums, hobby shops, and book stores, in any part of New Zealand. Please post all information on the SMML, as I will be accessing that from the Naval Intelligence Division, Ship Models, Abbey Systems, also known as NIDSMAS. Thanks, Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: JRuotsala@aol.com Subject: Re: Celebs The United States Naval Institute just released a new book titled "Stars in Khaki" which I purchased and it covers men who served in the Army. Can you believe they left out Neville Brand. Cheers, Jim -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: JVT7532@aol.com Subject: U.S.S. Oregon Hello to everyone, I was wondering if anyone knows of any sites that have information on building the Glenco USS Oregon? I know Bob Santos did some nice work on fixing the superstructure and some other parts and I have his articles but I have a friend who is working on one now and would like to see what is on the web that is geared toward building this kit. Thanks for all your help. Oh yeah, Hi Shane see you over on the WWl list. All the best to everyone Best regards, Jon -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Felix Bustelo Subject: AOTS HMS Victorious Hello Everyone, I have a question on the Anatomy of the Ship Volume on the HMS Victorious - does it cover the Victorious after she was completely rebuilt as an angled-deck carrier? TIA, Felix Bustelo International Maritime Modeling URL: http://members.tripod.com/~Febus65/imm.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Kcompany@webtv.net (Marvin Reichman) Subject: Re: Neville Brand If the highest decoration he received was The Silver Star he couldnt possibly have been the fourth most decorated serviceman in WWII. The Silver Star was a high end decoration for valor but ahead of that was The Distinguished Service Cross Which was awarded to men for uncommon gallantry above and beyond the call of duty. It ranked just below The Medal Of Honor. Infantry Queen Of Battle -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: PERATHJEN@aol.com Subject: What did I do in the war It is interesting to read what your daddy, and your granddaddy did in the war, but as one of the not too many WWII vets left, I will impose upon your patience, and tell you what I did. I was a plank owner of USS LSM 228, commisioned in Wilmington, Del., and built by the Dravo Corp. We put out to sea with a crew of 48, of which only 4 men has ever been out of the sight of land before. We went to the Pacific, with Guadalcanal our first stop, and from there we hit a lot of islands working our way north, and were the first ship on the beach at Okinawa. I am a little disappointed about the lack of interest in LSMs; they not only served well, but have a unique shape which should interest you modelers out there. There are plans and hundreds of photos available, plus some of us still can remember a whole lot of details about the ship. There is even a restored one in Omaha, Ne, and our association puts out a newsletter with pictures galore. Well, thanks for letting me sound off, Paul -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "wblad" Subject: Celebrities in the service British actors Basil Rathbone, Herbert Marshall (who lost a leg) and Canadian Raymond Massey saw action in France with the British army in World War One. Massey also served in Siberia. World War One US Navy vets include actors Jack Benny, Humphrey Bogart, Pat O'Brien, Edward G. Robinson, Spencer Tracy, and director John Ford (Pharmacist's Mate ). Wallace Beery was a Naval Resrve aviator in the 1930's and served as a naval flight instructor during WW2, as did Robert Taylor. Robert Montgomery received a US Navy commission before WW2, and was stationed in London during the Blitz. He later went to the Pacific, where he commanded a DD and served on Halsey's staff. Actor Wayne Morris was the only true "Hollywood Ace." He shot down 5 Japanese planes while flying a Hellcat from the USS Bunker Hill. David Niven and Ray Milland both graduated from Sandhurst, Britain's West Point, and served in the British army before becoming actors. In WW2, Niven went back into the British army and Peter Ustinov was assigned as his batsman (valet). Niven was not in the OSS, but Julia Child (the French Chef) was. She served in the CBI. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Frank Allen Subject: Re: Cheesy Poofs Cheesy poofs, along with Snacky Cakes and Chocolate Pot Pies are some of our favourite snacking foods here in Colorado.... :) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Re: Bits to do with battleships Hi Joel >> It was not my intention to start a 'flame war' and this will be my last posting on this subject. With regards to Chris' assertion that "You're obviously not familiar with historical research techniques and institutions of higher learning", I fear that 20+ years on faculty at three such institutions has made me all too familiar with the art of the academic put-down! I simply found the "data and assumptions on the table" approach of the Nihon Kaigun site a refreshing change from the irritable ex cathedra pronouncements which often dominate this sort of discussion. << Then you would be aware of the massive my references are better than yours arguments that pass for debate in such places. I really like Plato's theory of forms but I don't go around recommending it as something worth looking into. From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com >> I think that the system that is used on the Combined Fleet site is absolutely fine becuase it DOES simplify a complicated subject!!! It seems to me that "legends in their own minds" who attempt to overcomplicate matters with their inane and pompous attempts to put down folks who contribute more than hot air to the hobby and history of naval operations need to lighten up and loosen the old sphincter! And as far as the "overating: of US armor, how many US capital ships with that overated armor were sunk in ship to ship combat??? How many were put out of action by one salvo??? HMMMM....can't recall any...but then I probably don't apply the correct scientific methods in searching for that old black cat...... << One American battleship managed to put itself out of action with its own gun fire and had to be saved from being sunk by its compatriot. My point is this the combined fleets analysis is meant to be taken seriously. A serious analysis need not be un enjoyable but it should be testable - the information should stand up to analysis. Remember it is put there for serious purposes and as a contribution to a serious debate. The combined fleet analysis has two major problems, it simplifies a complex subject and makes several assumptions. To understand this subject you need to understand its complexity - anything else is laziness. We need to remember that what is being discussed are complex machines. However, accepting your right to comment the fact that you like simple analysis I have a right to comment on why I think the analysis is wrong. I am not saying that you shouldn't look at it just be aware that it isn't perfect. After all we swap opinions about model ships and books so what is wrong with doing it about information sites. I rather think you need to lighten up as you put it. No doubt we will begin to get complaints from other members that we've drifted off the subject so I suggest that anyone wanting to contact me about can do so off line and we can merrily hurl insults back and forth. And yes it was a rant. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Poutre, Joseph A" Subject: Paddle-wheeler steamboat Forwarding from the MARHST_L list: http://www.sfpl.lib.ca.us This is the website for the San Francisco Public Library. They've been scanning in their photograph collection, and you might have some luck there. Joe Poutre -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: 1/48 (1/4"=1') WW1 Subchaser decals I am looking for a source of some type of transfer letters and digits (decals, rub-ons, etc.) to apply to the bows of a naval model. They must be white, of the classic "squared" look (without the black shadowed effect) with corners trimmed off at 45 degrees. The model is of a 100 foot WW1 era subchaser scaled to 1/4"=1', therefore the characters I need should be 5/8" to 3/4" height. Any leads will be appreciated. Please advise. Incidentally, I began this model in 1938 (yup, 19 thirty eight!) as a high school woodworking project, and expect to finish it this winter. Is there some sort of record here? Franklyn Brown, e-mail screen name fkbrown90@aol.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "Doug G. MacAhonic" Subject: list Hi all, Does anyone have any idea of how to make flag decals less brittle when they are dry, all it takes is a little bump and they shatter. Also I need a dullcoat (I use humbrol) that doesn't yellow after a few months. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for all the great modeling tips! Doug Trying to rebuild a fleet of over 100 ships lost due to circumstances beyoind my control, you just got to love FATE! was Captain Highliner a REAL Captain??? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Bonham Carter Recently acquired a Royal Navy captain's cap that I believe dates from WW2. When I took off the white cover to clean it, it was stenciled inside "S.S. Bonham Carter" with the number 573 sewn into the edge. Has anybody ever heard of such a ship or know of a reference? I tried an Internet search but only came up with about 1000 hits for sites about the English actress by that name. MWL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "O'Connor" Subject: Dad's war My dad quit high school in 11th grade to join the USN. After boot camp, he became an airdrewman on a PV-1, then a PV-2 Ventura patrol bomber in the South Pacific. I remember sitting for hours reading his old aircraft flight log( he was the designated log-keeper), about missions over SOPAC islands, during which they took heavy flak and damage. He was wounded by flak thru the bottom of the plane, into the seatpan of his turret-you know where!!!!No purple heart - I think he was embarASSED (no pun) to take it. After the war, he got out for a few years, only to be called back from inactive reserve for Korea, and made a career out of it. Commissioned in 1956, he retired in 1974 as a LCDR after spending his career as an Aviation ordnanceman and weapons officer. Stationed aboard two carriers, USS ESSEX and USS Independence, and overseas at Machrihanish, Scotland and Sigonella Sicily, as well as Roosevelt Roads, PR and up and down the east coast. He is my hero more now than as a child- I appreciate the freedoms he and his contemporaries fought for, so we can vote and enjoy, and hopefully KEEP, the freedoms we have today. On a side note, I was fortunate enough to get a photo 2 weeks ago with Senator McCain when he and GW BUSH visited Daytona Beach - I was detailed by my agency to provide protection for GW's brother, Jeb( Florida's Governor), and met the whole party. Sen. McCain was his gracious and inspiring self, and I wish he had prevailed. Bob O'Connor -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "Chris Cameron" Subject: Help Hi all, Just a short question What is the best cleaning agent to use on plastic prior to painting using acrylic and what is the best cleaning agent to use on photo-etching? Cheers -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: "DUCKMAN" Subject: AIRFIX How is the quality of the newer airfix kits? The only I have ever built was a 1:24 P-51, and frankly it stunk. A little input please. David -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: "Bruce" Subject: Ingalls Shipbuilding Selected to Repair USS Cole Now this is DoD information that is fact, if you have any comments about plezze address them to the DoD about repairing this ship, and NO PHOTOGRAPHY aloud, at all, so don't even ask guarding the ship will be a hot list of the best guns around, as per my cousin on duty at this shipyard, the word is, most of the ship will be covered over with canvas anyway, at least while its in the drydock, the need to know is out of the question, maybe the news media? might get a peek maybe? Bruce >> INGALLS SHIPBUILDING SELECTED TO REPAIR USS COLE The Navy announced today that Ingalls Shipbuilding in Pascagoula, Miss., will repair USS Cole, which was damaged in a Oct. 12 terrorist attack while in the port of Aden, Yemen. The decision followed a thorough review of the capabilities, costs and schedules associated with public and private shipyards, and included an assessment of how the selection would impact Cole sailors and their families. Ingalls Shipbuilding was determined to be the shipyard best suited to make repairs to the Cole. Cole's industrial availability is scheduled to begin in January 2001 and is expected to take about one year to complete. In assessing the overall capability of shipyards, Ingalls was deemed most able to effectively manage and complete the work identified in a timely fashion. It was determined that Ingalls can handle any additional work identified during the repair process while also meeting Navy desires to minimize impact on the ship's crew. A major factor in determining where repairs were made was Congressional language in proposed legislation that would provide funding for Cole repairs. This underscores the Navy's commitment to ensuring the welfare of the Cole crew and families. The selection of Ingalls will allow most of the work to be done by civilian workers experienced in building this type of ship. Most of the crew will be able to remain in Norfolk, living and working as a team based in existing pre-commissioning facilities. Under this arrangement, the majority of the crew will be able to use shore-based trainers and schools to sustain seagoing skills and qualifications while a small group of Cole sailors serve aboard the ship on a rotational basis. The United States is blessed with a capable and diverse shipbuilding and repair industrial base. For example, the public/private ship repair teams in Hampton Roads area have the resources and talented workforce needed to make repairs to the kind of extensive structural damage seen aboard Cole. These shipyards, however, are obviously less familiar with design and construction of Arleigh Burke class destroyers and their complex combat systems than the two shipyards that build these state-of-the-art ships, Ingalls and Bath Iron Works in Maine. The building yards are better equipped to deal with emergent work as the scope of damage becomes more apparent. Finally, other shipyards considered capable of handling the work already have significant Navy repair and maintenance work scheduled. Taking on a repair as extensive and complex as Cole requires could have had a significant impact on other programmed repairs. In this instance, the selection of Ingalls represents the best solution for this unique and demanding situation. Some aspects of the damage remain unknown and will present challenging engineering problems during the repair. The land level facility at Ingalls provides greater flexibility to deal with major structural damage than the fixed block, dry dock facilities in the Norfolk area and at Bath Iron Works. Additionally, required testing and repair of the complex AEGIS Combat System can best be accomplished at one of the two building yards that have existing contractor/government teams with the skill and experience. This industrial capability should ensure that Cole returns to the fleet as quickly as possible for the lowest cost. As the original planning shipyard for the Arleigh Burke destroyer, Bath Iron Works will assist Ingalls in planning for the repairs to Cole. For further information contact Cmdr. Greg Smith, CHINFO Media Operations, at (703) 697-5342. << -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: RhinoBones@aol.com Subject: Re: Celebrity Veterans Since this thread has extended celebrity status to athletes . . . how about adding politicians? You could start with Eisenhower and Kennedy and then progress to the one and only inventor of the Internet and possible President Elect . . . Al Gore. I didn't see good old Ed McMahon (sp?) listed. Mr. Publisher's Clearing House, Johnny Carson's sidekick and x-Marine. Regards, RhinoBones -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: MDDoremus@aol.com Subject: Haunted Hornet and dogged hatches Haunted Hornet, Thanks for all the information. When I first saw this show around Halloween, I was attracted by the story because it involved the Hornet, a ship I had visited last spring, NOT because it was about ghosts. The tours I took aboard her were full of stories about life at sea and technical (and some not so technical) details of the ship's equipment, other than memories, no ghosts were mentioned. I enjoyed it. Thanks again to Shirley and her staff. The show was quite emphatic that the spectral visitor was indeed an admiral that had served aboard the ship near or after the end of the war. My greatest disappointment with the story was that it didn't show enough of the Hornet, instead it focused on story tellers or fuzzed over shots of the ship. Dogged hatches After all the discussion about hatches and the back side color, I saw an advertisement in "Machine Design" a trade magazine here in the US. The ad features the Arleigh Burke, DDG 50, underway. She has double doors on each side of the forward superstructure. The starboard doors are shut, but one of the port doors is open. The back side of this door matches (within magazine color processing) the remainder of the superstructure. The opening is pitch black, I do not know if this is just because of the photo's lighting or if blackout procedures are being followed. There is a sailor at 'parade rest' next to the door, while the head of another sailor is visible forward of the 5" gun. This may sort of support the "all doors closed and dogged while underway" order. Not a lot of help for W.W.II ships, but here's the modern story. I'll try to get a scan of the photo to Mike once AOL decides that the SMML site really exists. Mark Doremus Eden Prairie, MN -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: Keith Butterley Subject: HMCS Haida: closed for the winter Hi everybody, This is from Jerry Proc one of her volunteers: "The Haida is closed for the winter, re-opening in mid-April for volunteer crew and mid-May for the public." Happy modeling Keith Butterley http://www.warshipbooks.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: Joe Norris Subject: National Geographic Footage I have not seen the National Geographic program, but I have seen the footage described (I hope it's the same clip). The footage was indeed of the Big "E" in the Battle of Santa Cruz, 26 October 1942. The 1st bomb hit on the Big "E" that day was performed by PO1c Furata Kiyoto and his Type 99 at 1017. It was a 250kg "ordinary" (land bomb) that punched through the center of the flight deck about 20ft from the fwd edge. Leaving only a small hole, it dropped clear of the deck, sliced through the forecastle, and detonated in midair near the port bow. The concussion blew a VS-10 SBD off the bow. In the rear seat of that SBD, manning the twin .30s was Sam D. Presley, AMM1c. He was killed. Another VS-10 SBD began leaking burning fuel on the flight deck, but plane handlers quickly pushed it overboard. A second hit by Lt. Arima Keiichi just aft of elevator #1 caused heavy damage, and a stuck--in the up position--#1 elevator which caused logistical problems for weeks. At 1020 one of the last bombs slapped into the sea only 10 feet from the Enterprise's starboard quarter. Its heavy concussion "rocker her like a rowboat" and opened underwater seams. Grumman Wildcat (F-24) belonging to Ens Steve Kona waddled over the side. A VB-10 SBD bounced sideways across the deck and perched precariously in the starboard 20mm gun gallery. The VF-10 pilot, Howard Packard (enlisted), had been standing on its wing firing his .45 at the recovering Type 99s. He and several others tried to push the plane overboard. Finally, with the help of an LSO and a hard turn to port by the Enterprise, it went overboard. Finally, in a later strike that day, Ens. Phil Souza's (F-25) Wildcat was dumped overboard after slipping and sliding across the deck during evasive maneuvers by the Big "E". Its landing gear had collapsed while parked (presumably because of battle damage sustained in the earlier intercept). Souza regretted the loss of his favorite pair of sunglasses he had left on the gunsight... That's a lot of planes overboard. The Battle of the Eastern Solomons attack the Big "E" had survived in August didn't include any planes going overboard. Joseph Norris -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: Lump518176@aol.com Subject: CV footage..SBD bouncing off deck The film clip of the SBD bouncing off the deck is of the Enterprise CV-6 during the Santa Cruz battle. There are numerous books with the still photos of this event, and a great detailed description in the book "The First Team And The Guadalcanal Campaign" by John Lundstrom. BTW, the famous photo of the bomb explosion taken from the aft portion of a CV island, is also the Enterprise. This was the second bomb hit during the Eastern Solomons battle in Aug. 1942. Contrary to the popular legend, the photographer was not killed during this blast. Instead, the photographer often credited for this photo (cant remember his name without looking it up) was actually killed in the first bomb hit in the Stbd. aft 5" gun gallery before the famous photo was taken! I believe recent research still has not identified the true photographer of that famous photo. Jerry Phillips -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Shane Subject: APMA meeting tomorrow Hi all, The November meeting of the Australian Plastic Modeller's Assoc takes place tomorrow on Rememberence Day. Anyone who lives in Sydney & it's environs or is just visiting Sydney is welcome to attend. Tomorrow's meeting has a Junkers competition & a Between the Wars competition as well (hell, I may even have something finished for both of them ;-) ). Full details on the website. Hope to see you there. Regards, Shane APMA VP http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm Having FUN making models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Michiel Woort" Subject: Dutch Nationals next saterday The dutch IPMS nationals will be held on saterday 11 november in Nieuwegwin-Zuid (near Utrecht). The adres is 't Veerhuis, Nijemonde 4 and it will be open from 10.00 to 17.00 Greetings Michiel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: USS SARATOGA CV-3 >> Does any one know if the USS SARATOGA CV-3 in it's modified bridge configuration has windows or portholes on the 3rd level bridge just below the deck with the range finder and mast. I'm not sure and references aren't clear. << The answer to this and many more questions will be in my book on the Lexington class carriers, due out in April 2001. I have obtained over 100 photos of the Saratoga to be in this book. Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume