Subject: SMML VOL 1060 Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 11:14:26 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Celebs 2: Re: celebs 3: Re: Celebs 4: Re: Celebs, TV and a request! 5: WW1 list 6: Re: What did you do in the war daddy? 7: Victorious Books 8: Re: special ship decal 9: SS Bonham Carter 10: Re: NY hobby shops 11: Re: AOTS Victorious 12: The American battleship 13: HMS Beagle 14: haunted hornet 15: Sub chaser decals 16: USN WWII Enlisted Jackets 17: Model Shops on Long Island 18: Re: NY hobby shops 19: Veterans Day, Armistice Day, Remembrance Day.. 20: Re: AOTS Victorious 21: AOTS HMS Victorious 22: Anatomy of the Ship - Aircraft Carrier Victorious 23: USS Saratoga CV-3 24: Several subjects -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Conway's Anatomy of the Ship Yamato.. Just Arrived! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS Welcome to the Remembrance, Armistice & Veterans Day Edition of SMML 82 years ago, on the 11th month, 11th day & 11th hour the guns fell silent on the Western Front. This issue is dedicated to the soldiers of ALL Nations who have paid the ultimate sacrifice. "They shall grow not old as we that are left grow old; Age shall not weary them nor the years condemn; At the going down of the sun, and in the morning" "WE WILL REMEMBER THEM." "LEST WE FORGET" Our thoughts also go out to the servicemen and women of ALL nations who serve even as we speak - including those involved in UN Peacekeeping forces around the world. Shane & Lorna Jenkins -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Jeffon10@cs.com Subject: Re: Celebs Re Jack Palance I, not to long ago, read a fastinating book about the Hollywood Heros that went to war in the Library of Congress. (Actually, for the most part, they went to war-became heroes- and then went into the movies.) So fastinating was the book, that I took notes! Mr. Palance, as I recall from this reference, was burned in a crash of a B-24. He most assuredly deserves our respect for doing his part. I encourage all concerned to do research into this most fastinating area of American history. Who else was out there in W II?: Gene Autry, Paul Newman, Burt Lancantser, Kurt Douglas, Tony Curtis, Charleton Heston (gun advocate?-he was a B-25 gunner!), Charles Bronson (a B-29 tail gunner), Lee Marvin (a blood and guts highly decorated marine), etc. These gentlemen went way beyond our coutch-potatoes concept of Hollywood Heros and much deserve our respect. Jeff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: MGross1352@aol.com Subject: Re: celebs Moe Berg was a catcher of no great distinction and played with a number of teams including the Tigers. He was also a great linguist who spoke 7 or 8 languages fluently. In 1937 a team of U.S. ballplayers named the Babe Ruth Allstars toured (barnstormed) Japan and Moe was one of the members. He was also a naval intelligence operative and managed to photograph some important sites such as Tokyo Bay from the roof of his hotel-the photos were later used in planning the Doolittle raid on Tokyo. Moe became an OSS operative during the war and was involved in smuggling nuclear scientists out of occupied Europe. Moe's memory lives on today at CIA Headquarters where his picture, as a ballplayer, hangs in the lobby, a tribute to his work in the OSS. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: JRuotsala@aol.com Subject: Re: Celebs Suggest those that are interested pull up Neville Brand on the internet. It states he was the 4th most decorated man of World War II. Cheers, Jim -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Les Pickstock Subject: Re: Celebs, TV and a request! One shouldn't forget Michael Horden, well known british actor, who served with distinction in the RN during WWII. The excellent "WWII in Colour" was shown again recently here in the UK with some superb colour footage of Convoy escorts in action. FLOWER class corvette HMCS KITCHENER (K225) was seen dropping D/Cs, first rate. Footage too, of U.S.S. POMPANITO picking up survivors from a Japanese prison ship, harrowing pictures. I was hoping that somebody could point me in the right direction for pics or drawings of a WWII USN Torpedo handling trolly as used on Carriers. Any help greatly appreciated. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "john" Subject: WW1 list Jon and Shane, Uh? What WW1 list? Is it Naval? Can you share its adress? God bless, John Hi John, The WW1 modelling list is part of the WW1 Modelling site run by Allan Wright at: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/ The title says it all - it all to do with WW1 modelling. Although the aero boys & girls do mainly have it themselves at times - ALL WW1 modelling topics from armour to ships are welcome. The list is based on a listproc server & is lightly moderated by Alan & his Asst Matt Bittner. I'd like to see more WW1 naval content appearing there even if it's crossposted from here, otherwise it'd be pretty boring with just posts about those "two winged thingees" ;-)). You'll find some familiar names from SMML there as well. That's also where you'll find Mistress Lorna, as she mainly models WW1 aircraft ;-> All in all, it's a list I can very highly recommend. Regards, Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Minadmiral@aol.com Subject: Re: What did you do in the war daddy? Hi; My dad started before the war as a machinist at Mare Island. Since he was a watchmaker in civilian life he became a lathe operator - making propellor shafts for light cruisers!! At least one of the shafts he made is on the bottom of the South Atlantic. Later he was drafted, and for once the Army Air Corps did something right. He was trained to repair Norden Bomb Sights. He spent the rest of WWII in Kansas at a B-17 training facility. He was about to be sent to the Pacific when the war ended. Years ago we were in a military surplus store in central California and found a complete Norden Bomb sight for sale, about $20. My dad was laughing about how much Hitler would have paid for that equipment in 1943. Chuck Duggie WoodenWalls Listmeister Naval wargamer, amateur naval historian, and ship modeler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Victorious Books Hi Felix Yes the book does cover Victorious after she was rebuilt, it has drawings of her in all her incarnations. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: special ship decal Franklin Brown, Contact me off-list and I'll get you fixed up with a set of decals. Bob Santos Santmin@aol.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "murph" Subject: SS Bonham Carter Dont quote me but I think in March 1942 HMS Edinburgh was the flagship of Rear Adm. S.S. Bonham-Carter who was I think the grand father of the actress. all the best Murph -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: VONJERSEY@aol.com Subject: Re: NY hobby shops I know of two pretty good hobby shops in manhattan, unfortunately, i do not know their names but i do know thier addresses: my favorite is on york ave and 82nd street after that is one on 45th street, between 5th and 6th aves. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: AOTS Victorious >> I have a question on the Anatomy of the Ship Volume on the HMS Victorious - does it cover the Victorious after she was completely rebuilt as an angled-deck carrier? << Yes it does. It shows all configurations of the ship including flight deck, Starboard, hull lines, etc. with beautiful drawings. All the other drawings you expect from the AOTS series is included as well. Rusty White Flagship Models - Photo Etched Details for Warships http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ We now accept Visa & MasterCard world wide via Pay Pal "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Norman C. Samish" Subject: The American battleship Chris Langtree, Your statements are always interesting if sometimes puzzling. You say that "One American battleship managed to put itself out of action with its own gun fire and had to be saved from being sunk by its compatriot. My point is this: the combined fleets analysis is meant to be taken seriously." These sentences raise some questions: I'm not familiar with the American battleship incident. Can you give more details about the ship putting itself out of action? Are you implying that this incident illustrates that American battleship design is inferior to, e.g., British battleship design? If not, what are you implying? And why is the American battleship incident relevant to a "combined fleets analysis"? Thanks, Norm Samish -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: David Fisher Subject: HMS Beagle Mamoli has a kit of the HMS Beagle. I solicit opinions as to its accuracy, particularly after the 1831 refit that was the period of Darwin's voyage. Please contact me at dfisher@bcpl.net Thanks in advance. Dave Fisher -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: shirley sachsen Subject: haunted hornet >> Thanks for all the information. When I first saw this show around Halloween, I was attracted by the story because it involved the Hornet, a ship I had visited last spring, NOT because it was about ghosts. The tours I took aboard her were full of stories about life at sea and technical (and some not so technical) details of the ship's equipment, other than memories, no ghosts were mentioned. I enjoyed it. The show was quite emphatic that the spectral visitor was indeed an admiral that had served aboard the ship near or after the end of the war. My greatest disappointment with the story was that it didn't show enough of the Hornet, instead it focused on story tellers or fuzzed over shots of the ship. << we are getting very sensitive about this issue of Hornet's haunting, my disgust over the topic was not directed at you personally... we are just tired of it. having not seen the History Channel production (very rarely do we even know about tv programs or magazine articles we're featured in until after the fact), I cannot comment on its content. however, I had seen a local production regarding our ghosts that had indeed speculated on the Admiral identity (some are eager to claim it's Jocko Clark). that was the show, not us. so far, no one who's seen 'the khaki guy' has verified his collar insignia :-) I am glad to hear that you enjoyed your visit to the Hornet. and if there are any technical details that videos and tours left unclear, feel free to inquire. s -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: David_L._Miller@ccmail.wiu.edu Subject: Sub chaser decals At this large scale, you could paint thse numbers on by hand. I did this on a model of the Preston (an old Ideal wood kit - which is a whole 'nother story). The "trick" is to use accrylic craft paint - a wide variety available in most '- Mart craft sections - and a proper, good quality brush. Apply the numbers after the base coat on the model has cured for about a week. The next part of the trick is to paint the numbers on. The kit plans had numbers drawm for patterns, so numbers can be lightly outlined in pencil for a painting guide. Try to paint as neat as possible the first attempt. Even then the numbers will not be perfect, but close. If you mess up, wipe it off, take a walk, or watch soemthing about ships on the History Channel, and try again. Moments after the accrylic paint dries it can still be removed with a toothpick, or a suitabley sanded small piece of wood. Working carefully, the numbers can be tidied up - edges made straight, corners at 45 degrees (Some of these angles may not be 45 degrees, by the way) After the numbers are completely dry (another 24 hours) the shadow can be added and tidied) I was really amazed at how nice you could get the numbers to look using this method. I started with the model, but maybe you would want to do a test piece first. Hopefully, your numbers will be 1's and 7's. 3's, 5's, and 8's are harder to do :>) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Bill McBride" Subject: USN WWII Enlisted Jackets Can any USN WWII vets enlighten me as to what color working jackets were worn. I believe most working jackets were dark blue. Also, were any foul/cold weather jackets green (olive drab) as was the case during the 1960s? Thanks, Bill McBride -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Felix Bustelo Subject: Model Shops on Long Island Hi Capt. Bob, Well now you are getting into my neck of the woods! On Long Island there are several hobby shops, which cater to the general modeling population but each have a pretty good selection of ship models. There is were I do some of my shopping. In Nassau County: Willis Hobbies 285 Willis Ave, Mineola (address may have changed as they moved up the block to bigger space) (516) 746-3944 Caters more to railroading and r/c but has a good selection of ship models and last time even had some Iron Shipwright kits! Good for supplies. Baseline Hobbies 105 Main Street, Mineola (516) 877-2426 Small shop but interesting. Don the owner has a small supply of ships including some resin (Iron Shipwright, JAG Collective). There is a 1/350 scale USS California (BWN or IS) on display and he is knowledgeable of ships. He buys collections so you may never know what he may have. I went to buy some Humbrol paint (closest supplier to me) and he had a Heller Arromanches sitting on a shelf near the register (wasn't there two weeks earlier). Long story short - I picked it up for a mere $30! Dave's Merklin Outboard Repair Service 384 Atlantic Ave, Freeport (516) 623-2750 Ok, I don't know about the name but this shop is unique. There must be thousands of vintage and new kits crammed into every available nook and cranny and in boxes on the floor! A fun place to go (I picked up several vintage Airfix and Heller kits there). Go in wearing a hard hat! Again, he has all modeling disciplines represented. In Suffolk County: Bayshore Hobbies 2054 Sunrise Highway, Bayshore (631) 968-8547 This is a great shop with a good selection of everything including ships. The selection here includes some labels not found in the other shops (Mirage, Nichimo, etc). There is also some resin kits up front by the register. Also carries Humbrol paints. I have family that live in Bayshore, so I stop in when I am out there. I hope this helps and drop me note off-line if you need more info when you come for a visit. Regards, Felix Bustelo International Maritime Modeling URL: http://members.tripod.com/~Febus65/imm.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Devin J. Poore" Subject: Re: NY hobby shops Unfortunately, I only know of one decent hobby shop in NYC, and it is devoted almost entirely to the figure genre (Village Comics on Sullivan and Bleeker). If it wasn't for mail order and the internet, I'd have to quit modeling for lack of kits and supplies. Devin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com Subject: Veterans Day, Armistice Day, Remembrance Day.. Hi All, Perhaps, tomorrow, we can all take a little time(my wife and I are attending a Veterans Day parade in New York) and in some way honor those who are still with us for their service to our countries. We all have what we have today because of what they all did. We, more than most folks, have a little more understanding and appreciation of military history. Some of us may have served during peace and never, thanks to the folks before us, had to experience combat. Perhaps we can try and pass that on to someone who may not have had the same exposure that we have had. Also, let a vet know you appreciate what they did. Here in the States, we are still waiting for the results of the election. I have read what the comments from around the world have been. Yeah, we could have it simpler: just like North Korea or Cuba; no elections at all!! How's that for simple! We will wait and then when the outcome is announced, we will have a new President. Simple. No shots fired, no coup-de-tat, no civil strife. Thanks to our Vets.. They bought and paid for this freedom. So, to the Vets on the list and to those among our family and friends, Thanks!!!!! Regards, John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: ALROSS2@aol.com Subject: Re: AOTS Victorious >> I have a question on the Anatomy of the Ship Volume on the HMS Victorious - does it cover the Victorious after she was completely rebuilt as an angled-deck carrier? << Yes. There are general arrangement drawings showing her in 1945, 1958, and 1967. Al Ross -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: drwells@hogpb.mt.att.com (David R Wells) Subject: AOTS HMS Victorious Felix Bustelo wrote: >> I have a question on the Anatomy of the Ship Volume on the HMS Victorious - does it cover the Victorious after she was completely rebuilt as an angled-deck carrier? << Short answer: Yes it does. IIRC, it's got diagrams & everything. David R. Wells "There seems to be something wrong | David R. Wells with our bloody ships today" | AT&T Middletown, NJ Adm. D. Beatty, May 31, 1916 | http://home.att.net/~WellsBrothers/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "Leslie Brown" Subject: Anatomy of the Ship - Aircraft Carrier Victorious The book covers the whole career of the vessel. In particular, there are general arrangement drawings (scale 1:350) of the vessel in April 1941 (as built), June 1945, 1958 (after refit) and Jume 1966. Regards Les Brown -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: "wblad" Subject: USS Saratoga CV-3 The bridge windows are square. Stern's "The Lexington Class Carriers," and Fry's "USS Saratoga CV-3," both have extensive photo coverage and Stern's book reproduces drawings from BuShips "Booklet of General Plans." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: "Poutre, Joseph A" Subject: Several subjects NY area hobby shops: (Capt. Bob Leonti) My personal favorite is Avenel Hobbies across the Hudson in NJ. They have the best ship selection around. If you have a car, cross the river to the NJ Turnpike, travel south to exit 11, but _DON'T_ get on the Garden State Parkway. Instead, follow the signs to Rts 1 and 9 north, go north to Rt. 35 West. You'll pass a big pet store, go over a small bridge and then exit onto Rt. 35. Just past the ice cream store on the left is Avenel Hobbies. Their phone # is 732-382-7717 Best battleship: The Iowa class were the most useful and versatile all around. Powerful main and secondaries, best AAA, pretty good protection, high speed, best trained crew. Others were better in some ways, but I'd prefer the Big J. 'Nuff said. (The Montanas would have put paid to any battleship built or of _reasonable_ projected design.) Haunted ships: I don't believe in ghosts, but if any carrier is haunted, it's Forrestal. LSMs: (PERATHJEN@aol.com) I'd love to build an LSM in something bigger than 1/700. LSM 540 was named Raritan, after the bay in New Jersey. I'm hoping to build models of all (war)ships named after New Jersey and counties, cities, towns, and geographic places therein. Which brings me to... Barnegat class AVP-10: (raisingirl@mindspring.com) There are at least three named after places in NJ, so I'd love a model in any scale, preferably 1/350 or bigger. I'd also love an accurate long-hull Essex in big scale (NOT the Lindberg), an Austin class LPD, a Sacramento class AOE, and a RN Island class patrol vessel (HMS Jersey). My father's service: US Air Force, stationed on a island just of North Korea just a few months after the cease-fire which paused the war. Not fun - their post was within long gun range, easily within bombing range, and they had almost no weapons to defend themselves, so that if the balloon had gone back up, I wouldn't be here. My own service: Lasted about 0 minutes. I was set to go to the USNA when they looked over my medical records and found two minor asthmatic attacks listed, at ages 14 and 17. "Sorry, thanks for applying!" NROTC and even enlisting were closed to me. Feh. So now I'm going to join the USCG Auxiliary. I gotta serve somehow. That's it for this issue. Joe Poutre -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "John Sutherland" Subject: Japanese Aircraft Carriers Hi all, Have any of you in your travels seen anything which would provide the following information: 1. The breakdown of the aircraft (type/number) carried by the nine Japanese carriers at Philippine Sea / Mariannas battle, preferably by carrier. Some reference give a total of 473 (with no breakdown), but this is 18 more than the theoretical maximum for the 9 carriers involved (Taiho / Zuikaku / Shokaku / Zuiho / Chitose/ Chiyoda / Ryuho / Junyo / Hiyo). 2. The same for Zuikaku/Zuiho/Chiyoda/Chitose at Leyte Gulf/Cape Engano. 3. The same for Kaiyo and Shinyo engaged on convoy escort work late war 4. The same for the Unryu/Amagi/Katsuragi late 1944/1945. All leads appreciated! Many thanks John Sutherland Wellington, New Zealand -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "WEM" Subject: Conway's Anatomy of the Ship Yamato.. Just Arrived! Hi Guys, We have just received first supplies of the above: Price: 30.00 Pounds.. around $44.00 at the current exchange rate... and shipping at cost ... which would be 5.00 Pounds to the U.S. by uninsured service... same to Aus/NZ, and Europe.. 3.50 Pounds uninsured, and 3.30 Pounds within the U.K. We also have limited supplies of CRUISERS of WW2 at 30.00 Pounds plus shipping. We have received first supplies of WEM PE 618 1/600 MOSKVA set. This set is priced at 11.08 Pounds, posted free of charge everywhere. You can check it out right here http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/wempe618.jpg Restocks arriving now on 1/350 HMS SHEFFIELD, MARY ROSE, and 1/700 KELLY 1940, WARSPITE 1942, CHESTER 1916 and ASKOLD 1905. WEM 1/350 KNOX CLASS is ready for casting now.. reservations taken. The 1/350 CF ADAMS Class castings are here from JAG.. awaiting instructions and brass at this end, and we are ready to ship! You can send E-Mail orders direct to me at the above address or use the on-line order form. Thanks! Caroline Carter White Ensign Models, Gardeners Cottage, Cowarne Court, Ledbury, Herefordshire, HR8 2UF, U.K. Tel : 01432 820403 Fax: 01432 820830 http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume