Subject: SMML VOL 1062 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 23:35:30 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: RN site 2: What did you do in the war, Daddy? 3: Re: celeb vets 4: Naval Base Hobbies 5: Re: Photo-etching Help 6: Re: First AC 7: Camouflage 8: Aircraft carriers 9: FSM Collectors alert! 10: Barnegat Class Seaplane Tenders 11: Re: Saratoga 12: Re: photoetch help 13: Veterans day 14: What did you do in the war, daddy? 15: Hampton Roads Naval Museum 16: What did you do in the war Dad? 17: I've finally caught up!!! 18: WWII ship still afloat 19: Scale Ship Modeler 20: John Lamberts drawings 21: Props 22: Gneisenau Camouflage 23: YAVUZ - Request 24: RAN Colours 25: BATTLESHIP HMS VANGUARD WEBSITE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation 1: NRG Conference 2001 in Washington, DC -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: New uploads 2: Update On the Slipway 3: WTB TMW Essex -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Friedrich Kappes Subject: RN site It has gone, at least the main page, survivers can be found on my home page. (The list of ships did survive) Friedrich The FriedrichFiles http://sites.netscape.net/friedkappes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Charlie Jarvis Subject: What did you do in the war, Daddy? My father was in the 13th Armored Division, 3rd Army in France in W.W.II. He was always amused by the fact that the Army took an experienced meat cutter and put him in the signal corps in charge of the HQ backup radio truck, and as the backup rig, after all that training, he never sent or received a message in combat. His outfit did liberate an SS barracks with looted liquor from France, with the predictable results. He also told stories of deer hunting in Austria afterwards with his M-1 carbine. The 13th took Braunau, Austria, which was Hitler's birthplace. After the war he found his brother who was with an engineering outfit that had invaded the south of France. The ensuing family reunion ended with a "borrowed" jeep upside down in a ditch, which was written off as a battle loss. It's a minor miracle that I'm here. My uncle was on USS Hancock (CV-19). I think he was a plankowner. He wouldn't talk much about the war, except to show off his Hancock tattoo, and the jagged scar that went with it, acquired when a kamikaze hit his ship. (Will someone ever do a long-hulled 1/350 Essex-class?) As far as USS Jarvis, I had read of the Bagley class destroyer that was lost with all hands off Guadalcanal in August of 1942. It was a point of interest until my father's cousin from Texas (she wouldn't forgive me if I didn't give her the Texas blurb) was doing some family history, and found a branch of the family in Massachusetts in the early 1800s. It was at the time of the Quasi-War with France that a very young Midshipman by the name of James Jarvis lost his life, so he may well be a very distant relative. Finding this out, I did a bit of research on the destroyers carrying the family name, DD-38, DD-393, DD-799 (Fletcher class that I'll do in the future, not sure if I'll do her in her W.W.II dazzle or FRAM conversion in the 1950s) and now the Hamilton class cutter. I have the Classic Warships 1/350 model of DD-393, which I'm working up to building. I saw all the itty bitty parts, went EEK, and bought a few other kits to practice upon until I can get back into the shape I was in twenty years ago (college, wife, job, kids, house, got in the way, now I'm getting back into the hobby). My wife says that the parts are the same size as they were twenty years ago, just the old corrected eyes just aren't what they once were. We'll discuss that. So, will there ever be a 1/350 Paulding-class (DD-38)? I'd like to display all of the above ships one day when my own little corner in my own little remodeled attic is finished. Best Regards: Charlie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "philip knell" Subject: Re: celeb vets regarding the celeb vets theme i have just watched on the history channel the biography of americas most decorated soldier of world war two. audie murphy i think he qualifies as a celebrity and from the program one hell of a brave man. phil knell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Shaya Novak" Subject: Naval Base Hobbies We used to be in NYC now on the internet only. Shaya Novak Naval Base Hobbies The Store for The Model Ship Builder www.modelshipbuilding.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Ed Grune Subject: Re: Photo-etching Help Mike: I've not done any CAD or photo based etch set-up, but I have done some detail etching using Radio Shack (RS) supplies. I've used RS's rub-on transfers to etch squares, circles and even some props. I've used the circles (several sizes) to meke bases for guns and other small deck fittings. I've also etched rub-on letters to use as names on display bases. Here's how: 1) Use K&S brass shim stock. Use a piece of appropriate thickness. Thin will etch quickly, but not have strength. A thick piece will take a very long time to etch. I'll generally work on a piece 2 to 3 square inches at a time. 2) Wipe both sides with some steel wool to clean the surface. Spray one side with some paint as a resist. Color doesn't matter, but a light color is prefered (you'll see why later). Its there to prevent the etchant from working on the back side. You want a good thick coat. 3) When the paint is dry, transfer the rub ons and burnish them down well. You can touchup the holes in the transfers with some paint and a fine point brush. You can connect several pieces together with other rub-on overlays or paint. 4) Pour the FeCl etchant into a plastic margarine tub or glass jar. The mouth of the jar should be large enough that you can reach in with some tweezers. You only need enough FeCl to cover the piece. Use gloves & eye protection whenever you're handling the FeCl as it is corrosive. Don't use aluminum, It reacts violently. 5) Drop in the piece of brass and mark the time. 6) Check back occasionally. Fish the piece of brass out with some cheap - expendable tweezers. You will see a black by-product of the etching process on the brass. The light color paint will make it easier to see which side is the back. Swish the brass around in the etchant to move the black stuff and see if you've etched through the brass - the paint shows through from the opposite side. If not put the brass back in and repeat step 6. 7) When the brass is etched through rinse the piece in some tap water to stop the etching process. Place the slip on a piece of paper towel to dry. 8) Pour acetone, lacquer thinner, or other solvent for the paint you used on the piece into another glass jar. Drop the slip of etched material into the thinner and swish it around to remove the carrier and rub-on resist from the part. You could pick the piece from the carrier and clean it up with a cotton swab soaked in thinner. 9) Harvest the pieces from the thinner bath and sort them. They're ready to use. Hope this helps Ed Mansfield, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: First AC >> Do you know when and where the first aircraft carrier appeared? Your opinions are solicited. My candidate will appear soon in a subsequent posting of SMML. (I am waiting for confirmation, and will post it timely). << If you define a carrier by the ability to land and launch an aircraft, then arguably the USS Pennsylvania, when fitted with the aft deck for the experiments with a Curtiss biplane would qualify. Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Camouflage Hi Mike I can confirm and perhaps expand on your excellent post. The change to the G5 to G55/B5 to B55 series was based on report issued on 15.10.42 (PRO ADM212/124) from the Naval Research institute at Teddington and the new series which are described as greenish-grey (G) and bluish-grey (B) was actually a re-numbering of colours already in existence. The number of each colour referred to its approximate brightness level and this was considered more important than any exactness in matching shades. The report also comes with a set of paint chips which I use in preference to the Snyder and Short productions. AFO 2106/43 (and I cannot recall this number) probably refers to where paints can be obtained. Actual camouflage instructions and schemes appeared specifically in the CAFO series and in particular 679/42 and 2269/44 are of most interest. The RAN was familiar with the RN camouflage colours and a document I have seen (PRO ADM212/130) lists MS1, MS3, B5 and 507A being available at Garden Island. This was a 1943 document which concluded that for the conditions under which the Australian ships would serve, dark Admiralty schemes were the most suitable. Interestingly though, it was still referring to MS1 and MS2. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Aircraft carriers Hi Franklyn Do you mean the first clear deck carrier, in which case it was the Argus in 1918. If not then there are several other candidates which carried aircraft but not necessarily proper aircraft carriers. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: FSM Collectors alert! I saw on eBay yesterday a group of 6 FSM issues from the first two years. Looking at the photo, they appear to be in good condition. Sorry, the first issue (Vol. 1/1 isn't included). The opening bid is a good price ($5.99). Rusty White Flagship Models - Photo Etched Details for Warships http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ We now accept Visa & MasterCard world wide via Pay Pal "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Steve Sobieralski" Subject: Barnegat Class Seaplane Tenders Jodie wrote: >> Has anyone out there ever pondered constructing a model of a Barnegat (AVP-10) class small seaplane tender? << Interesting that you should raise this question, Jodie. In the late 1950's my father served, first as navigating officer and then as executive officer, on the US Coast and Geodetic Survry Ship Pioneer, which was the ex-USS Mobjack Bay (AVP-27/AGP-7). According to my copy of Fahey's Ships and Aircraft of the US Fleet, Victory Edition, the Mobjack Bay was one of four of the Barnegat class used as motor torpedo boat tenders, hence the AGP designation. For those not familliar with the Coast and Geodetic Survey, from the early 1800's through the late 1960's the Coast Survey (as it was generally shortened to) was responsible for the accurate mapping of the country and produced all the nautical, and later also aeronautical, charts of the coastal waters of the continental US, its territories and possesions. It was one of the seven uniformed services (along with the five armed services and the US Public Health Service), had its own commissioned officer corps with the same ranks as the Navy and Coast Guard, and was under the auspices of the Dept. of Commerce. In the late '60's the Coast Survey lost its separate identity and was conbined with several other agencies to become, briefly, the US Environmental and Science Services Administration (ESSA) and then the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA). As an 8-10 year old I visited the ship many times with my dad, sometimes spending the day there when school was out, and even making a short voyage when she moved from drydock in north San Francisco Bay back to her berth at Alameda, passing under the Bay Bridge. At that age I was already an avid modeler having been influenced by my father, who was primarily a model railroader, but often took a plastic kit with him to pass the time when the ship was at sea. Sometimes I would take a model down to the ship with me to work on in the wardroom while my father tended to ship's business. Some of the crew were also modelers and there was always a lot of interest in what I was doing. There was even talk at the time that Revell had shown interest in producing a model of the Surveyor, a new Coast Survey ship then under construction (and a ship my father later commanded) but that, of course, never came about. I pretty much had the run of the ship and it was during one of my explorations that I found a plaque (I believe on the anchor capstan) attesting to the fact that the USC&GSS Pioneer had been the USS Mobjack Bay (Fahey lists her as the Mobjack, but I swear that plaque said Mobjack Bay). With the exception of the removal of her guns the ship was, I believe, virtually unchanged from her wartime configuration. After my father left her, the Pioneer made a voyage to the Indian Ocean, for which a large "gallows" structure was installed on her bow, spoiling her lines. She served in the Coast Survey from 1946 to 1966. I have no knowledge of her wartime career, nor do I know of any commercially available plans of these ships. I would be very interested in making a model if plans could be found, and also knowing of any information regarding the Mobjack Bay's wartime service with PT boats. I'd also be interested in knowing if there are any ex-Coast Survey or NOAA ship modelers out there. Sorry for this rather long post, but it brought back a lot of fond memories for me. There are, BTW, some photos of the Pioneer on the NOAA history site: http://www.photolib.noaa.gov/ships/shind6.htm Steve Sobieralski -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Craig R Bennett Subject: Re: Saratoga Hi Guys Thanks for the imput on the Saratoga it helped me finish the kit.I have the books suggested so I'd figured to double check. Now I'm going to work on the airgroup.From Jan-July, 1944 the Saratoga carried Hellcats, Dauntless, and Avengers and I believe in the tri color paint scheme. Were they in 3 color camouflage? Craig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Ron Hillsden" Subject: Re: photoetch help I didn't have any luck (or learn the skill fast enough for me!) using the spray resist I purchased at a local electronics store, so I tried Press 'n Peel, which worked well for me in 1/96. The manufacturer specs suggest it would be good for smaller scales, but I think you would need a better etch process than I used (see link to Randy Gordon-Gilmore's page on my site). I just wanted a straightforward, simple and inexpensive method, which I now have. See: http://members.home.net/vmss/ and go to 'Tips', 'photoetching' Ron Hillsden Victoria BC Canada Club: http://members.home.net/vmss/ Flags: http://members.home.net/ron-hillsden/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "RON" Subject: Veterans day On this Veterans day I would like to say to all veterens of all wars everywhere: "No man is an Island, entire of it self Any mans death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind; And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee. (John Donne) Ron Schmitt -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: SeaPhoto@aol.com Subject: What did you do in the war, daddy? Hello, My father served on the USS Greenling (SS-213). Although he did not talk about it very much, he made a number of patrols on her. On one of the last, she was extensively depth charged, which damaged his eardrums. He was never able to swim underwater after that, though fortunately his hearing was not affected. Dad passed away in 1985. Some of my most treasured possessions are his submarine combat pins, and pictures of Dad and his friends onboard during the war, including a shot of Forrestal visiting the boat. I wish now that I had talked to him more about his experiences, but he was always reluctant to speak about them, and steered the conversation away when it was brought up. Kurt Greiner SeaPhoto Maritime Photography http://warshipphotos.com Warship Models Underway http://members.aol.com/wmunderway/home.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: BSteinIPMS@aol.com Subject: Hampton Roads Naval Museum In April 2001 the battleship WISCONSIN (BB-64) will be permanently moored in the Elizabeth River in Norfolk, Virginia, USA, and will be open to the public. It will be an exhibit and artifact on display as part of the U.S. Navy's Hampton Roads Naval Museum. If you have the interest, you can look into the museum's Web site at: http://www.hrnm.navy.mil/ They also offer a free 16-page quarterly newsletter entitled "The Daybook" and subscription information can be found there. Be sure to check out their links page: you'll find dozens of Navy sites there of great interest. Bob Steinbrunn Minneapolis Member, Nautical Research Guild Louisiana Naval War Memorial - USS Kidd, DD 661 The Mariners' Museum -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Max Loosli Subject: What did you do in the war Dad? I wasn't going to contribute to these moving pieces from everybody, but as it is Remembrance Sunday I would like to remember my Dad, Leonard Loosli, who left us 18 months ago after a very long illness. Dad joined the RAF in 1943 at the age of 17, a few months behind his older brother Frank (born Max, after his father). They had not been allowed to serve before (besides age) because grandfather was Swiss and they were considered potentially hostile aliens. Dad and his brother were both Air Gunners (Dad was also a Nav - an unusual mix). They were in the same squadron (619) on Lancasters. Frank was lost in the July 1944 raids over the Marne. Dad was immediately shipped out of Bomber Command (the same day ....) and into Coastal Command flying Anti-Submarine Liberators (B24s), first in Cornwall, then in Scotland. There are pictures of his aircraft around in the histories, if you see a Lib overflying a German capital ship going into captivity and it is coded 2V B, that's him. He remained in Coastal until the end of hostilities flying AS patrols over the North Atlantic and Bay of Biscay as well as shipping strikes at low level into the Skaggerak (I've seen some B&W photos he had, taken from the nose - they were low !). At wars end he was moved into Transport, flying as Nav on Yorks, around the world. He left the RAF in 1947. In 1949 he joined the Army, although he later admitted that he should have gone back into the RAF. He joined the 14/21 Lancers but later transfered into the 1st Royal Tank Regiment. He saw combat service in Korea in Centurions, as well as in Aden. He left the Army in 1968 as a Staff Sergeant. He suffered a number of minor disabilities (impaired hearing - 4x Browning .303s next to his ears in the RAF, Centurion, Conqueror and Chieftain main guns in the Army) as a result of his service. I grew up on Army camps, with tanks at the back door. I have not served (I was too stupid when I was young). My brother in-law is currently a Major in the Royal Engineers (not bad having joined as a boy soldier!) currently in the Falklands. I am very proud of my dad, and his brother (and father) after whom I am named. Regards to all, Max Loosli -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Darren Scannell Subject: I've finally caught up!!! Hello all you SMMLie people! I have finally read all the SMML issues that piled up on me! I am back from England and I just want to thank Caroline, John, Dave and Robert for all their hospitality! It was a great trip! Although I must say, you Brits do some things verrryyyy differently than I'm used to. I'm surprised that you don't have more car accidents! The Telford show was fantastic! as you all have heard many times now. It was good to meet the people I did and disappointing that I missed several. I think we should all volunteer Caroline to organize a SMML get together at the next show! I missed Jim Baumann at the show and when I got to Portsmouth, I didn't have time to call him up and visit: (maybe next time). If any of you get a chance to meet Jens Brandal, make sure he brings those chocolate covered candies, YUM! I picked up too many books and kits (unlike John Rule, I was smart and packed an empty suitcase for the return trip ; p), but my most prized possessions are the fittings sets I got for the Flower Class Corvette! They are sweet! Now, when can I get to building them? Maybe next year! We saw most of the major museums and enjoyed them all. I must say that it was nice of everybody in the UK to arrange for that storm to come through the night before I was leaving. The traffic nightmare it caused made me miss my plane. I would have stayed longer if you'd have asked nicely. Luckily I got on the flight the next day without any extra charges. When I got back to Toronto, the next day I started helping my friend run his booth at the Hobby Show for the weekend. Man was I tired after that weekend! But I'm happy to report that for the first time in 5 years, the ship section actually sold as much or more than the plane or armour sections! Must be something in the air or modelers are coming home! Well, I've bored you long enough, Happy modeling! Darren Scannell PS Duane Fowler, are you home yet? send me a note, I'd like to talk flags. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Darren Scannell Subject: WWII ship still afloat I didn't see a reference to the Brazilian Aircraft Carrier during the discussions of WWII ships still floating a while back. Since I'm still catching up here's my 2 cents worth. Commissioned in Jan 1945, HMS Vengeance still serves with the Brazilian navy as Minas Gerais. She has just undergone a major refit and will most likely be put into reserve with the FNS Foch purchase as she cannot maintain enough headwind for proper aircraft ops. Darren Scannell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Darren Scannell Subject: Scale Ship Modeler Rusty, A couple of months ago you sent in a comment stating that SSM was out of business. Was this a rumor or did you have something to base it on? I was just wondering, because I didn't hear it anywhere else and I've recently received the latest issue and there is nothing inside to indicate it is going or has gone out of business. Darren Scannell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Darren Scannell Subject: John Lamberts drawings John, Do you think anybody really wants to buy your drawings if you put them in a booklet format? Hmph, I guess I'd buy one or two. Just don't make them too damn expensive! You managed to make a quick getaway at Telford and I didn't get the chance to look you up in London. Too bad. One of these times we'll have to get Mr. Rule out in public for his impersonations. Cheers, Darren -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: Darren Scannell Subject: Props There was someone looking for props. A professional friend of mine uses the prop shop out of England, they are like pieces of jewelry. Simon Higgins Lower Studio Clifford Mill Stratford Upon Avon Staffordshire, ENG CV378HW 011441789450905 I also found this site on the net (they are intended for RC) and I would like to know if anyone has used these: http://home.san.rr.com/swm/ Darren Scannell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "Pletscher-Lenz-Schneider" Subject: Gneisenau Camouflage Hi Peter That camouflage pattern which can be seen on some photos of GNEISENAU in the drydock was not carried during the "Channel Dash". It was only applied when the dammaged ship came into dock and was designed to disguise her there. Falk Pletscher -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: "Pletscher-Lenz-Schneider" Subject: YAVUZ - Request Hi all I once again need help on a difficult subject: The Turkish battlecruiser YAVUZ ex SMS GOEBEN. Can anybody provide propper information on her AA armament in the late 1940s? I also need more information on the camouflage paint she wore at this time. There are photos in Whitley's Battleships of World War Two and Breyer's Schlachtschiffe 1905-1992. Does anybody know where I can find more photos showing YAVUZ with her camouflage paint? Has anybody any lead on the colors used with this scheme? Any information would be appreciated. Falk Pletscher -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: "Cooper, Mike" Subject: RAN Colours Dear SMMLies Lots of off-list action as a result of various postings about RAN colours - I'd like to thank everyone who's fed in material. It looks like there is a lot of research going on which dovetails with the work being done on RN colours. I suspect that what might happen is that findings get published or noted via SMML whilst things work on behind the scenes. Is anyone looking at RCN and RIN usage? It strikes me that because of differing access and differing level sof preservation these could all help in a composite picture - we've found that Indian Army orders and SA orders preserve vehicle details not given by the main records. Mike Reading UK - bright and clear (again, the town and not me!) (But, yes, Shane, it is cold...) By the way (1) My other e-mail is coopmik1@hotmail.com By the way (2) "What did you do in the War Daddy?" - 'Ere what about my Mum!!! Grandfather Draper - ex. RN Chief ERA from WW1 - wanted her to go in the Wrens, so she volunteered for the ATS instead. Attached Pay Corps amongst others, and got bombed, "land-mined" and blown out of bed by a V1/V2 near Manchester. Still cries when she hears an air raid siren on TV. Father was North Staffords and Camerons, mainly in India and Middle East 1939-47. Paternal Grandfather was 9th South Staffords, a Pioneer Battalion, from 1915-18. Loos, Somme, Messines and 3rd Ypres. Came home with trench foot and a rum habit. My Uncle was Ox&Bucks Light Infantry - captured at Cassel in May 40, and spent the rest of the War on a Farm near Danzig/Gdansk. I've had the great good fortune only to have experienced all this as history. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "NICK & JOY ROGERS" Subject: BATTLESHIP HMS VANGUARD WEBSITE Hi Folks, http://www.hms-vanguard.co.uk/ The above website is a fine tribute to an somewhat neglected warship. Created by Shirley North,who served on Vanguard 1952-1954. Excellent shots of Vanguard, ice encrusted off Greenland. Hope it leads to a lot more Vanguard material being posted on the net prior to the promised Samek 1/700 scale resin kit release. Why Vanguard never make the contentious `best all round' battleship short lists? Regards, Nick Rogers. New Zealand. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Vincent Mccullough" Subject: NRG Conference 2001 in Washington, DC The Nautical Research Guild will hold it's next annual conference in Washington DC, October 4-7, 2001. The conference will be co-sponsored by the NRG, the Washington Ship Model Society and the US Naval Academy Ship Model Society. The agenda is still under development, however the highlights are beginning to shape up: - Thursday, October 4 will consist of full day tour of the US Naval Academy in Annapolis, MD with it's extensive collection of ship models, including the famous Rogers Collection of dockyard models. - Friday, October 5 will be be spent touring sites of maritime interest in the Baltimore/Washington metropolitan area. A reception for conference attendees and guests will be held on Friday night. - Saturday, October 6 will be devoted to technical presentations on modeling and maritime history. In addition, we will have a special daytime tour for spouses and other guests while the modelers are in session. The day will conclude with a banquet for attendees and their guests. - Sunday, October 7 will conclude the conference with round table discussions and workshop sessions on research and ship modeling techniques. In addition to these events, we are exploring options for additional tours of other local maritime sites (e.g., the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum in St. Michaels, MD, or the Naval Ship Research and Development Center at Carderoc, MD. The latter is also known as the David Taylor Model Basin and is, among other things, the home of the Curator of Ship Models for the US Navy). We'll provide more information on this as plans begin to firm up. The conference will be held at the Double Tree Hotel in Rockville, MD. The hotel is a short 50 yards from the nearest Metro station, making side trips to the museums and monuments of downtown Washington, DC readily available for both attendees and guests. Whether you're a steel or sail navy modeler, mark your calendars now, and plan to attend. We promise you a good time! Vince McCullough NRG Webmaster WSMS First Mate and Conference Co-chair -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Michael Dunn" Subject: New uploads Hi all, Just a quick line to say that the Archives are up to 1061 (yesterday's edition), and indexed. Also uploaded, in PicPost, is that photo of the Arleigh Burke underway, with open hatches - remember the recent thread? Well, the image is now available for you to make your own decisions. If anyone has articles, model pictures, warship pictures/walkabouts, or reviews of kits, photo-etch or accessories they'd like to submit, just drop me a line. If you'd like to write something, but are uncertain as to what we'd like, just ask. The site revamp is getting close to being finished, so watch this space. Mike SMML Webmaster (another exam passed - just one to go - apologies to those people who have sent stuff that I have yet to upload - but I should be uptodate very shortly once this final exam is over) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Foeth" Subject: Update On the Slipway We've posted pictures of Jos Visser's suberb Bismarck model at: home.wish.net/~vandijk (Upload on Monday) EJ Foeth, V v Dijk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Subject: WTB TMW Essex Kit Wanted - Would like to buy or trade for a 1/350 Tom's Modelworks Essex Class Aircraft Carrier - Thanks - ST Pls respond to isolde7@usa.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume