Subject: SMML VOL 1064 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 21:29:04 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Scale Ship Modeler 2: Campania 3: Re: Bad joke 4: Re: American Battleship 5: Re: RN Site 6: Re: Saratoga 7: Re: Detail sets for Flower class 8: Re: Too Many Scales 9: Re: First Ship 10: Re: Detailing set for 40mm Bofors & 20 mm Oerlikon 11: Re: My Dad in WW11 12: Re: First Aircraft Carrier 13: Re: First Aircraft Carrier 14: Re: PE props 15: Re: PE chemicals 16: ADM CAFO/AFO Documents 17: Re: ICM Hood 18: Airfix Great Western 19: Re: Iowa class battleships 20: Re: Bad Joke 21: Re: What my Dad did 22: Detailing set for 40mm Bofors & 20 mm Oerlikon in 1/72 scale 23: Signal Flag Code GRP 24: Re: Detailing set for 40mm Bofors & 20 mm Oerlikon 25: USN 1950 Carrier Color 26: Re: Signal flags 27: Re: Signal flags 28: American Battleship 29: Re: What my Dad did 30: HMS Campania 31: VCR Alert 32: Battleship "pissing" contest 33: Re: ICM news anyone?? 34: Viking kits 35: Signal Flags -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Kits, ship references on ebay -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Dave Pluth" Subject: Re: Scale Ship Modeler >> Sorry, I don't recall posting that. I did post that I have heard rumors that the Detail and Scale series was being discontinued. But I stated it was just that, rumors. I contacted Bert Kinsey personally about it and his comment was very ambiguous. So much so I couldn't get a definitive answer from it. So who knows? << The Detail and Scale series is being discontinued by mutal agreement between Bert and Squadron. Basically Bert is burned out and is moving on to other things (including CD-roms with tons of photos). Squadron Signal still owns the rights to the current books and it is their decision as to whether they continue to produce exisiting issues. My source for this was a letter from Bert. Hope this helps. Dave Japanese Aircraft & Ship Modeling Homepage www.j-aircraft.com dpluth@j-aircraft.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Campania Hi Alan Warship 26 (April 1983) had an article by J M Maber titled HMS Campania 1914-1918 and D K Brown's The Grand Fleet contains a short section on her. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Re: Bad joke Hi pugs99 Who are you? Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Steve" Subject: Re: American Battleship >> At the Third Battle of Savo Island, battleship USS South Dakota was knocked out of a fight when her electrical system failed due to a mighty cock-up. Had battleship USS Washington not been with her, the IJN battlecruiser Kirishima would have had a good shot at sinking or at least seriously damaging her, despite being an significantly inferior combat vessel. The point is that the circumstances of battle can often diminish or reverse what should be clear advantages for one side. According to Combined Fleet's analysis, SoDak would have blown Kirishima out of the water; but because of a screw-up, she nearly got her a** shot off. << Ummmm, I don't see any details about the incident here. It says the South Dakota was guilty of a "cock-up" and/or a "screw-up". What was the mistake? The guys in the forward turret blew the bow off? Somebody on an AA position shot the captain? Something less silly, but still stupid? Still curious, Steve Shapiro -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Frank Allen Subject: Re: RN Site Hi Graham That site no longer exists. I believe the fellow who ran it recently graduated from college and now no longer has time to run such a large site. Not to worry though, there are segments of the site still available. Try the following URL: http://website.lineone.net/~jimmer/WW2.html I also recommend that you check out the Royal Navy WebRing...lots of good RN-related sites (including the Hood site!) You can access the ring via the following URL: http://nav.webring.yahoo.com/hub?ring=royalnavy2&id=11&hub Hope that helps! Frank Allen http://hmshood.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Craig R Bennett Subject: Re: Saratoga Hi Guys Thanks for the replies on the air groups and bridge of Saratoga. Wblad that's what I needed to know!!! OK well she's finished looking sharp in Measure 21 scheme and a flight deck with flight deck markings. Craig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "denis keegan" Subject: Re: Detail sets for Flower class The DJParkins sets for the Corvette include sets of 20mm guns. See his site at djparkins@aol.com David, you owe me one Denis Keegan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: drwells@hogpb.mt.att.com (David R Wells) Subject: Re: Too Many Scales "Timothy J. Barron" wrote: >> While browsing for moden US Carriers (Nimitz, Enterprise, etc.) at a local hobby store over the weekend, it seems as if the number of scales keeps growing! I saw kits from Tamiya, Arii, Italeri, Trumpeter, Fujimi, etc. Each in their own scale. Are there any photos and reviews of the Trumpeter kits? << There's a review by Rod Dauteuil on Rajen's List. http://www.quuxuum.org/rajens_list/shiprevs.html No photos, though. David R. Wells "There seems to be something wrong | David R. Wells with our bloody ships today" | AT&T Middletown, NJ Adm. D. Beatty, May 31, 1916 | http://home.att.net/~WellsBrothers/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: NAVYDAZE@aol.com Subject: Re: First Ship My first ship I ever went aboard was the Heavy Cruiser, USS HELENA. I will never forget her and the beautiful wooden main decks - also the fact that one of the mess cooks gave me a cookie (hey I was only 6). Now when I turned 12 I had the biggest thrill of my life - as a Navy brat I got really sick (Kidney infection) and at that time Long Beach Naval Ship Yard had no hospital - so I was put aboard the USS HAVEN for a week - the only kid aboard - between being sick as hell and overjoyed at the same time it was quite an experience. Later on I went on any and every ship I could find during the following years for Open House, etc. My first ship that I served on was the USS KITTY HAWK making two tours of duty in Viet Nam. Of course I STILL go aboard any ship that I can manage to beg to get aboard - the last being the USS CONSTELLATION that gave me not only a wonderful one-on-one tour but also being very nostalgic as the "HAWKS" sistership. Mike Donegan NAVYDAZE Naval & Aviation Artist -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: geoff-smith@cwcom.net Subject: Re: Detailing set for 40mm Bofors & 20 mm Oerlikon Enrico_Villa writes : >> does anybody know of a detailing set for 1)40mm Bofors single barreled a.a. gun 2)20mm Oerlikon single barreled both in 1/72 scale? << and Peter Samolinski writes : >> I missed the recent talk about p/e frets for the Revell-Germany 1:72 Flower class corvette. Could someone please refresh my memory as to what's available? << The parts you’re looking for are produced by David Parkins in Wales. The scope for Flowers is large, (but doesn’t include the Bofors) and were produced with the aid of John Lambert. For a look at what’s available, go to : http://www.djparkins.clara.net/gls/glsmast.htm http://www.djparkins.clara.net/gls/glsmast.htm As a matter of interest, how many of us are building this kit, as what ship, and what mods (if any) are you making to the hull? I’m in the planning stages of building Snowberry after the 1943 refit (it seemed an easy option at the time) and trying to decide which scuttles were blanked off. Does anyone know what the three bulges amidships both sides are? They look like doubling plates but I can’t find any photograph showing evidence of these. And while I’m asking, That prominent keel on the kit didn’t exist on the real thing……..did it? Hoping someone can provide answers to these and other important questions, please, Geoff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: NAVYDAZE@aol.com Subject: Re: My Dad in WW11 My dad at that time, Thomas A. Donegan was a Chief Radioman and spent a lot of time establishing Radio stations throughout the pacific Islands - he was at Samoa during the time of the attack on Pearl Harbor where my mom and sisters were at the time (I was not born yet - DARN IT!). By 1942 he was brought back to the states and taught electronics in Washington DC. So I guess that sort of made up for all of the sea duty he had later on. After the war he was promoted and assumed the responsiblities of the O.I.C. at the Radio Communications Center in Guam (that is where I was hatched). Lastly as a Lieutenant Commander he was in charge of the Electronics division at Long Beach Naval Ship Yard. I have always been extremely proud of my father as this is a man who made it up to LCDR with only a 5th grade education. He instilled a lot of self pride in me and taught me that nothing is impossible if you just try. Mike Donegan NAVYDAZE Naval & Aviaton Artist -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: stillmo@mb.sympatico.ca Subject: Re: First Aircraft Carrier How about the MACON and SHENEANDOA Airships, weren't they truly aircraft carriers....?? RDB -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: HPolvi@kgp.cclcustom.com Subject: Re: First Aircraft Carrier OK here's another question for you on this thread - why do all aircraft carriers have the islands on the starboard side?? And note some of the early one didn't have islands at all. Henry Polvi Thornhill, ON Canada -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: PE props >> It would seem to me somebody is overlooking a very good niche here. I cant't imagine that people who shell out $40 bucks on a photo etched railing set would hesitate to pay a bit more to put metal props on their static models. The plastic props that come with the kit are OK, but who wants OK after they have put photo etch rails, hatches, benches, radars, etc. etc. on their ship. 1/700 seems to be very popular right now. Anyone making 1/700 props or are people using the plastic or resin ones that come with the kits? Or all these kits "waterline"? << I sell surface ship propeller in a set that includes 2 destroyer, 2 cruiser and 2 battleship props per set. The scale available are 1/500, 1/400 and 1/350. I also produce in 1/350 and 1/700 scale anti cavatation props (screws for the sub guys) for USN ballistic missile subs, USN attack subs and Soviet attack subs. Not all the 1/700 scale stuff is waterline. As of late, DML, Testors and Revell have re-issued several kits under license from Skywave with full hull option to add interest in the kits. Hope this helps. Rusty White Flagship Models - Photo Etched Details for Warships http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ We now accept Visa & MasterCard world wide via Pay Pal "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: PE chemicals Tom's correct about Ferric Chloride, and about how that crap stains the air around it! Be sure to use it OUTSIDE and away from anything you don't want stained out of existence. It took me a year to get the stain off my Formica counter tops. Rusty White Flagship Models - Photo Etched Details for Warships http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ We now accept Visa & MasterCard world wide via Pay Pal "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Dimi Apostolopoulos Subject: ADM CAFO/AFO Documents Folks, Many thanks to Chris and Mike for all the information regarding RN Camouflage documents. I would like to bring up the following list of Admiralty CAFO/AFO orders that can be found at the UK's PRO. I hope that others can pitch in with additional information. The list was sent to me by a friend in the UK. Dimi ADM FLEET ORDERS TYPE/NUMBER/YEAR SUBJECT AFO 245/40 Chrome pigments for paints CAFO 1446/40 Identification by enemy aircraft - painting of horizontal surfaces CAFO 290/41 Non-chocking matt paints CAFO 302/41 Camouflage of H.M.Ships CAFO 791/41 Camouflaging of ships building, in docks, etc. CAFO 1518/41 Painting of air-sea rescue boats CAFO 1555/41 Camouflage painting CAFO 1983/41 Camouflage of H.M.Ships - Policy Reports AFO 4544/41 Admiralty Fleet Order Volume - Instructions CAFO 2515/41 Camouflage over boot-topping area CAFO 121/42 Non-chalking matt paints CAFO 679/42 Sea-going camouflage designs for destroyers and small ships CAFO 31/42 Attached to CAFO 679/42 (Diagrams) CAFO 784/42 Mountbatten Pink - Formula CAFO 1112/42 Camouflage of sea-going ships - Policy reports AFO 3435/42 Chrome pigments for paint AFO 3807/42 Matt non-chalking camouflage paints CAFO 2077/42 Painting of air sea rescue boats CAFO 2146/42 Dark medium tone camouflage designs for sea-going ships AFO 2106/43 External and camouflage painting AFO 4224/43 Specifications, liquid samples and shade cards of paint AFO 5633/43 Camouflage inside bridge coastal force craft AFO 1017/44 Green paste for camouflage paints CAFO 699/44 Camouflage of minesweepers and M/S A/S trawlers in home waters CAFO 1151/44 Stowage positions and camouflage of minesweeping davits CAFO 3113/44 External and camouflage painting CAFO 2070/44 Stowage positions and camouflage of minesweeping davits CAFO 2231/44 Camouflage policy CAFO 2269/44 Standardization of camouflage of H.M.Ships and vessels CAFO 2270/44 Recognition-operating and training submarines based at home CAFO 558/45 Standardization of camouflage of H.M.Ships and vessels AFO 3545/45 External and camouflage painting of H.M.Ships and vessels CAFO 1575/45 Standardization of camouflage of H.M.Ships and vessels -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: ICM Hood Let's get real guys. IF and WHEN ICM gets around to issuing the Hood, I would bet it will take months to get them in the US. I guarantee you the UK will buy everything they can produce for a month or two. Not to mention Europe. I'll be standing in line for mine. That's for sure. Hey Bill Gruner!! You better order plenty! Rusty White Flagship Models - Photo Etched Details for Warships http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ We now accept Visa & MasterCard world wide via Pay Pal "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: shirley sachsen Subject: Airfix Great Western >> Is anyone on the list familiar with this kit? Specifically what is the scale? << It's been years since I looked at the thing which is now tucked away in the attic (still shiny new in the box--ain't it the way?), but as I recall it's a fairly decent scale, like hovering around 1/100? It nicely fits the box :-) I'd bought it as a companion to the Great Eastern and had been dismayed to note that they were not the same scale--the GW being much larger (being a much smaller ship). s -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Iowa class battleships >> HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM...lets see....I don't recall seeing any of the Japanese laughing in any of the photos or newsreels that were taken as the USS MISSOURI-IOWA CLASS BATTLESHIP-came steaming into Tokyo Bay to recieve the surrender?? << Yeah, the Iraqis weren't laughing very loud either when the Wisconsin rained cruise missiles on their heads either. Rusty White Flagship Models - Photo Etched Details for Warships http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ We now accept Visa & MasterCard world wide via Pay Pal "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: MGross1352@aol.com Subject: Re: Bad Joke I agree fully about the Iowas stature as number one. Perhaps someone can rebut this view but if that is the case I'd like to know what other ship could defeat the Iowa's armor in her immune zone (the ranges between which her horizontal and vertical armor were designed to defeat a heavy caliber hit(s)). Then explain what ship, if any, could do this and also keep up with her at high speed if she decided to avoid combat or to disengage. The Iowas could dictate whether an engagement would take place, continue or end. What ship could dictate said terms to them. I also have been in awe when feeling the metal of a battleship and finding it felt like concrete not metal. Imagine the result if an Iowa not a Burke had been hit in Yemen. During one of the op sails in the late 1980s, in New York Harbor, I was on a Staten Island ferry which was being used to carry guests to the JFK. An Iowa class BB was leading a flotilla into the harbor. The view from the ferry's lower deck as the battleship slowly came over the horizon was simply magnificent. I was simply mesmerized as the upper works and then the turrets and the hull came into view. As for "legends in their own minds", I don't think we need a thread on this topic. I would simply suggest that we all try to be incisive in our comments, that we be respectful of each other and if it seems neccessary to do so that we take any negative comments off line. After all, this site seems to work best as a cooperative venture allowing ship modellers to query others and to get the information and/or help they need. Humor is fine but being vituperative is not (that is my big word for the month. Am I worn out.). From Mark Grossman in East Brunswick New Jersey where there is no lumber cartel; where no one wants cheesey poofs or whatever the hell they are called; and where no one I know takes SMML so seriously as to lose sleep (I leave it up to my kids to deprive me of that commodity). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "Frank and Carol Berger" Subject: Re: What my Dad did My Dad was a Sea Bee during WWII. He was involved in building the sub bases in the Phillipines. He passed away several years ago and I never got a chance to talk with him much about it. However, on a recent trip to visit my mother, we were talking and she brought out his Sea Bee yearbook. As I was flipping through it I saw a couple of photos of what appeared to be Gato or Balao class subs and the crews were painting sharkmouths on them! I don't know if they actually went on patrol this way. My sister is going to scan the book for me so I can get copies of the images. Does anyone else out there have any further info on these sharkmouth subs? Thanks Frank -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "Rod Dauteuil" Subject: Detailing set for 40mm Bofors & 20 mm Oerlikon in 1/72 scale Did you try H-R Products? http://www.msn.fullfeed.com/~hracct/ship_fittings/ship_fittings_72.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: GrafSpee34@aol.com Subject: Signal Flag Code GRP According to my 1931 edition of the International Code of Signals (Visual) the flags are GRP, meaning "GIVE WAY ... (Keep out of the way)." In the context of a license plate frame, I guess it is the nautical version of the Yosemite Sam mud flap that reads "BACK OFF" This code may have meant something else in 1917 as the system was revamped in 1930. I do not have an earlier code book. Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: Steve Holton Subject: Re: Detailing set for 40mm Bofors & 20 mm Oerlikon See: http://www.djparkins.clara.net/gls/glsmast.htm for a series of detail sets for the Revell Flower. There are 20MM Oerlikon, but I don't see a 40mm Bofors. He does offer a 2 Pdr. Pom-Pom Gun with Bandstand & Ready-Use Ammo. Locker and Vickers Quad .5" Gun with Bandstand & Ready-Use Ammo. Lockers, as well as almost complete replacements for everything above the basic hull. Reposrts indicate that they are superb - haven't gotten mine yet...... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "Mic Toole" Subject: USN 1950 Carrier Color Hello all. There are so many details flying around here, I am now (again) lost and confused. What color should I paint a 1/700 USS Tarawa, as she was in 1950 as CVS-40? Had F9F Panthers at the time. I have a copy of a video tape from the archives and the island is very blue, but that could be from the film. Model Master paints are the most available paints here in Lancaster County, PA. Thanks one and all. Mike Toole "Task Force 50" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: dlfowler@apple.com Subject: Re: Signal flags Hello Franklyn, The flags you describe sound like Golf - Papa - Romeo (G-P-R). The only discrepency is that the Golf flag has three yellow and three blue stripes with the first yellow stripe against the hoist. I have a book at home that lists all the non-clasified codes for flag hoists and will check it out but I would not be surprised if it didn't mean anything. What was the year that this hoist first appeared? If you want a particular message, let me know and I will look it up for you. Regards, Duane Fowler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: Steve Holton Subject: Re: Signal flags I have my Dad's 1943 Bluejacket manual for which he paid 85 cents. (as well as his Watch Officers Guide and Personnel jacket). They don't really provide a full answer. The Letter equivalents are easy: >> The first (and upprtmost) is square, having three blue vertical stripes and two yellow vertical stripes. << = G George >> The second (middle) is square, and is red with an edge-to-edge (therefore large) yellow cross. << = R Roger >> The third (lowest) is also square, and is blue with a white square in the middle. << = P Prep (Peter) Certain flags have specific meanings. For example P=Prep at the end of a signal means "Present intention of originator indicated by this signal" thus it could mean "I intend to 'G R' " whatever GR is to be interpreted to mean. For that there are references to the calls in the Visual Call book as well references to: The U.S. Navy Call book, Part II - Visual Calls "International Code of Signals" American edition published by Hydrographic Office of the Navy "General Signal Book" Fleet and Force Regulations -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: "Norman C. Samish" Subject: American Battleship >> At the Third Battle of Savo Island, battleship USS South Dakota was knocked out of a fight when her electrical system failed due to a mighty cock-up. . . . I hope this helps you understand why the analysis is interesting, but doesn't always stand up in reality. << Joe, You're right, of course. I didn't realize that was the action Chris Langtree was talking about. I'm familiar with the Washington - South Dakota - Kirishima incident, which was the only US battleship vs. Japanese battleship duel in the war. As it was, the South Dakota did pretty much get her ass shot off by the Kirishima and Japanese cruisers, and was damaged to the extent she had to return to New York for repairs. You're probably familiar with David H. Lippman’s account at: http://home.flash.net/~hfwright/forkroad.htm - if not, I urge you to have a look. This paints a picture of the South Dakota screwing up by the numbers, not by bad design, but by dumb actions like the chief engineer tying down her circuit breakers, thus knocking out her electrical system. There was a lot of luck in that action also - the Japanese launched many torpedoes at both South Dakota and Washington but all missed. If they'd connected it's likely that Guadalcanal would have been lost. Norm Samish Hi Norm, You're forgetting the Battle of Surigao Strait where the US also fought a battleship duel against the IJN in 1944. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: What my Dad did >> My father served on the USS Albacore SS-218 for 8 war patrols. << Sean- Don't know if you are aware, but Combat subs just released the USS Albacore in 1:350 resin. Very nice kit; however it lacks photoetch, so you either have to scratchbuild the railings, or perhaps Tom Harrison might be willing to sell one of his photoetch sets from his now (sadly) out of production line of resin 1:350 subs. Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) From: Robert and Rose Brown Subject: HMS Campania For Alan Roots: There is a very good article on Campania in WARSHIP No. 26. It has a good history, some good photos, and a great photo sequence of Campania sinking after dragging her anchors and running into HMS Royal Oak and then HMS Glorious. Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: VCR Alert Nova (a documentary series on Public Television in U.S.) has a great 2-hour long documentary on the discovery of a sunken U-Boat in 230 ' of water off the New Jersey coast. It is a real cliff-hanger including some current tragedy, right to the end, where they appended something they found after the film had been aired in Germany last year. Don't miss it!!!! And here is something else, if it is deemed appropriate for SMML. "My biggest regret about the R.M.S. Titanic disaster is that if I had had only one, that's right, just one, more roll of duct tape with me, I could have saved her!!!!!" That last one may not be significant to people outside of U.S., but by way of explanation, duct tape is used here to mend just about anything and everything. It is a rather unusually strong and stick-to-everything commonly available and relatively inexpensive tape. Do you have it "down under"? Franklyn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 32) From: "JAmes McCormick" Subject: Battleship "pissing" contest Guys, Maybe you should just agree to disagree? With all due respect, an agreeable conclusion is NOT going to be reached, and the shots across one another's bow are going to get worse and worse. I have seen this same arguement on other lists, there is no end all way to settle the matter. For the sake of civilty, please put your talents to other uses. Jim McCormick -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 33) From: NEVENGER@aol.com Subject: Re: ICM news anyone?? I have tried to beat it out of ICM on e-mail but they do not seem to answer. I asked my local hobbie shops if they have any news and all they can say is when they see it then they have arrived. So whoever finds when they appear on a shelf let the rest of us know. As to the hope of a 1/350 Essex I am with you. I do not care if it is ICM, Tamiya, Heller (1/400 ok) or Revell as long as it is at least an 8 on a scale of 1 to 10. (Lindberg Essex = about a 3 in my book). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 34) From: "hugh1lottie2" Subject: Viking kits Matt, Now that you've had twenty four hours to think about it and you still want the Viking kits, Colpar Hobbies [colpar.com] has them. While you are checking out the site try the modelers showcase that has several ship photos. Hugh -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 35) From: "wblad" Subject: Signal Flags According to the "International Code of Signals (American Edition) Vol. 1 Visual," 1931, the first flag is probably G (George), although it really has three yellow and three blue vertical stripes, the yellow coming first. No flag has three blue and two yellow. Next is R (Roger), and last is P (Prep). Taken together, GRP, they mean "give(s) way" or "giving way." This edition was still in effect in WWII, but may differ from WWI practice. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Michael D'Amico Subject: Kits, ship references on ebay Hi, I just listed some kits and books on ebay. All start at reasonable opening bids. Related items include: Skywave: US Navy Dock 1/700, $6.00: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=496518323 USS America 1/800 Aircraft Carrier by Otaki, $8.00: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=499458861 La Belle Poule, Heller Sailing Ship, $16.00: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=496361113 Ships of the Victorian Navy (Nice well illustrated Book), $9.00: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=496969462 Marines in the Revolution (American Revolution, very complete history including all USMC service on navy ships), $16.00: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=496450225 or view everything (all modeling / history) at: http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&userid=lysander99&include=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=50 Thanks, Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume