Subject: SMML VOL 1070 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:55:19 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: USS Thomas E. Hart 2: Re: Air Force Sergeant Traces Bugle's History 3: USS Ward (DD139) at US Naval Historical Center 4: Re: Naval Warship Accident Reports 5: E-BOOT and Harold Fock's Book? Pfui? 6: Re: Collisions 7: Skytrex Cruisers 8: Re: Chicago Blue 9: Message to T.Garth Connely 10: French destroyers 11: Hatsuharu camouflage 12: SMS Lutzow plans? 13: Re: More Carrier Trivia 14: Re: What a Blast from WAY Down Under! 15: Re: New Jersey 16: Help with a submarine 17: Re: Reference book on USS Cod (SS-224) 18: Re: U-869 & other stories 19: First ships 20: USS NAUTILUS/Battle of Midway documentary 21: First Ship 22: E-Boats 23: Re: Steve Wiper in NZ 24: Monitor and Merimac 25: CVN - Hangar Deck Questions 26: HMS Hood Anatomy of the Ship Book by John Roberts For Sale 27: Re: Steve Wiper's review 28: Spare 1:700 Ikara deckhouse -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Warshipbooks.com email hassles 2: Re: Sources on USS Milwaukee (CL-) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Mike Kear" Subject: USS Thomas E. Hart G'day Smmlies, Can one of you help me please ... I've no doubt there's someone here can answer this question cos I don't have the information she's looking for: A visitor to my site ModelWarship72: http://www.healey.com.au/~mkear/tf72.htm asked the following: Can you tell me where I could find a model kit for the USS Thomas E. Hart. My brother was stationed on it. I believe it was called a "fast frigate." That's all the information I have. This ship is not apparently a commissioned ship in the USN, as far as I can see, but since it's my visitor's brother, I assume it is/was a serving ship since WWI. And then of course, once identifying what class of ship this is/was, next to find out if there's a kit. Anyone? Cheers, Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Webmaster, ModelWarship72 http://www.healey.com.au/~mkear/tf72.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: VONJERSEY@aol.com Subject: Re: Air Force Sergeant Traces Bugle's History I read your submission and looked up the link, (by the way I think the second version of the origin is more plausible) and found it very informative, however, this is probably a stupid question but, why is it called "Taps" where did it get that name and what does it mean. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: USS Ward (DD139) at US Naval Historical Center Hello SMMLies The newest addition at the US Naval Historical Center's - Photographic Section includes a series of photos of the 4-pipe destroyer, the USS Ward. The Ward set her place in history by drawing first blood at Pearl Harbor when she sank a Japanese mini-sub near the entrance to the harbor. Ironically, the Ward was damaged by a Kamikaze and sank December 7, 1944 - three years to the day after Pearl Harbor. http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-usn/usnsh-w/dd139.htm The pictures show the ward in her as-commissioned WWI camouflage. (John - whats the status of your WWI paint chip set). Also shown are the Ward in her APD configuration - including some indication of her in greens. Ed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Poore, Devin" Subject: Re: Naval Warship Accident Reports Did anyone look at this list of naval mishaps and see how many separate incidents that the U.S.S. Houston (SSN-713) was involved in during 1989? It's amazing that ship and her crew made it into 1990. (for those that need the link http://www.peacelink.it/webgate/armamenti/msg00252.html ) Devin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Ned Barnett Subject: E-BOOT and Harold Fock's Book? Pfui? >> That Airfix 1/72 E-Boat is a poor kit. I paid $5 for mine at a swap meet and still think I paid too much. The superstructure, deck and armaments are acceptable for an early war boat. (There are some problems, but they can be fixed. ) The hull is complete crap. It is clunky and out of proportion. It simply does not match the sleek lines of the original. If you use the hull from the kit, your model will not show off the lines that made the Schnellboot an elegant and powerful small combatant. Best reference available on this boat is Harald Fock's "Fast Fighting Boats". Original KM technical drawings of several variants are reproduced in it. The definitive photographic reference on these boats has yet to be published. << Dave - I remember well problems I saw with the E-Boot back when it first came out (I'm dating myself here, and that can be damned lonely ) ... but it is the only game in town. So where (anyone) can I get Harold Fock's book? Amazon gave a big shrug on both title search and author search. Thanks Ned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: Collisions In 1967, my ship, USS BAINBRIDGE conducted two days of ASW training in the South China Sea with 2 US subs, one nuke attack boat whose name I don't remember, and the conventional USS BLACKFIN. The nuke boat departed after the first day (probably got tired of "sinking" us) and we operated the second day with BLACKFIN. She surfaced in the morning and we used our whaleboat to transfer some of our ASW people to her and some of her people to us for the day. In the afternoon she surfaced again so we could reverse the personnel transfer. That done, she made a "demonstration" dive and all BAINBRIDGE hands off-watch were invited topside to watch and take photos. Unfortunately, she was abaft our starboard quarter at about 100 yards' distance, we were making about 2 knots in a ship that required about 4 knots for steerage, and we had a fairly strong wind blowing directly from the port beam. Get the picture? As BLACKFIN moved up I could hear the diesels shut down, hear air begin to blow, and she began to submerge and I began to take a series of pictures (I was Ship's Photographer). About the time that her sail began to go under, I realized she was a lot closer to us, and could see by her wake that she had inexplicably altered course slightly to port--toward us! Unfortunately, we were also being blown to starboard by the wind and didn't have enough speed to maneuver. As the top of the sail went under, her attack periscope came up and swiveled to port. I know that whoever was on the scope saw nothing but a wall of haze gray, as by this time they were directly abeam of our fantail and perhaps 100 feet distant. About the time that they went under our bows the periscope suddenly snapped down, and those of us topside braced for collision. Nothing happened! I glanced up at the bridge and it looked like an anthill that had been kicked over, with the Captain and XO leaning over the starboard wing looking at where the sub had disappeared. Well, to shorten the story, BLACKFIN's sail struck our underwater hull--fortunately below our bilge keel--with enough force that it literally laid the sub over on her beam ends. We took off both her periscope heads, her snorkel head, all her antennas, and did nearly a million dollars' sheet metal damage to her sail. Had we hit her with out bilge keel, we might well have sunk her. A Board of Inquiry was held when both ships got back to Subic Bay, but there was no disciplinary actiont taken against either Captain (in fact, ours later retired as a Vice Admiral). Months later I saw mention of the collision in a periodical report the Navy put out about suck incidents. The official recommendation was that submarines should ensure adequate distances when diving in the vicinity of surface ships...this in reponse to a situation that could have resulted in a "SUBSUNK." John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys http://www.shipcamouflage.com Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club, 1966-7, 1969 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Cooper, Mike" Subject: Skytrex Cruisers Dear SMMlies You may remember that I said I was going to be at a Wargames do over the weekend. I happened to be sitting next to Skytrex, and checked out their 1/700 white metal ranges, which were creating a lot of attention. They do two ranges - one of Napoleonic and the other of WW2. I chatted to John (of Skytrex) whilst pedalling my Spanish Civil War book (signed copies available....). My mate Richard bought one of their Black Prince's, and was able to get a good look at it. As I've just bought WEMs Dido, I was able to - more- or less - put them side by side. OK, first the ranges Meridian 20th Century - At present County Class Cruisers, Black Prince and a Type 23 frigate Price is £35 for a kit of Black Prince, £55 assembled and painted and £60/£90 for the Counties. Planned are Leander Cruisers and a Leander Frigate range. Meridian Trafalgar - Napoleonic ships, ranging from Santissima Trinidad (136 Spanish first rate) tp frigates. £16.95 for a Frigate to 19.95 for a First Rate. Comments The Trafalgar range are very nice - crisp castings and nice masts and yards with phototeched sails and ratlines. So why didn't I buy one - well simply too much on at the moment. They plan a sail upgrade set, so I may wait for that. Painted they look very good, and I'll probably indulge at some point The 20th Century range provoked quite a bit more discussion. Part of the problem is that the samples on Skytrex's display weren't very nicely painted, and part was a reluctance to admit that white metal might be useful medium here. However, looking at Black Prince in the "metal" a number of things occurred to me 1. You get a lot of metal for your money. They one piece hull includes superdtructure, funnels and the light AA. 2. Thi is part of the problem! Detail on the pom-poms and twin-Oerlikons is poor, and the Pom-poms would be the devil to hack off. Balancing this, other detail is sharp enough, and even splinter shields are no worse than some resin I've seen - commendably thin. Funnel gratings are a bit off putting 3. Masts are a bit of a let down, as white metal is no more the medium for these than resin, so you'll need to replace them 4. Turrets are cast with guns in place, which is a pity. The twin 4 inch on the Counties looked iffy. So, good looking hulls and major componments, weaker small details Point for point they seem as good, if not a little better than early WEM, but not up to current WEM and say Regia Marina (these two are the best I've seen, but are given here only as examples). However, if you treat them like most resin kits - as a place to start - then if you can cope with white metal they seem perfectly OK, and decent value for money. Comparison is £35 for Black Prince + work or £44 for Dido. From WEM you get photo etched bits and many more bits anyway - which I like - but you pay somewhat more for it. Current WEM quality - and I can only go on their Warspite and Sheffield - and current Regia Marrna (on the basis of a bigger sample of smaller ships) is higher, but talking to John, I think Skytrex acknowledge that and weren't pitching the range at someone like me who'll happily (if inexpertly) scratchbuild. As such, Richard - who's seen WEM products - felt he'd had his money's worth. Can I suggest that if you think these sound useful you go somewhere where Skytrex are trading - usually wargames shows - and look at the things in bare metal. Skytrex's website is http:www.skytrex.com Mike Cooper Reading UK (Dark and cold at 5pm) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: Chicago Blue >> Do you think that maybe the Australians made their own, using their own stocks of paint, and using a US paint chip or of the actual hull paint (a match)??? << My gut feeling--though I have no way of proving this without some research down under, and perhaps not even then--is that they used U.S. Navy stocks rather than their own. The RAN was basically using RN paints, and there was nothing in that inventory that was really close to Navy Blue 5-N. There were a lot of USN bases down there, with a lot of support ships and support facilities. There would have been a lot of 5-TM on hand. Just an opinion though.... John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys http://www.shipcamouflage.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: GrafSpee34@aol.com Subject: Message to T.Garth Connely >> any help with your request? Please share it with me. << Hi It would help if you checked your e-mail filters and unblocked your e-mail address. Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: French destroyers Hi all Does anyone have any information on the composition and markings of destroyer squadrons for pre war and early war torpilleurs and contre-torpilleurs? None of the web-sites seem to have this information and I can't seem to locate it elsewhere. Many thanks Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Cataldo Torelli Subject: Hatsuharu camouflage Hi, Which IJN grey should I paint the IJN Hatsuharu destroyer in Jun'42? What was her AA fit ? The 1/700 Aoshima kit seems so short in guns ...... Thanks in advance, Cataldo Torelli. Madrid, Spain. PS. I hope Aoshima's Akizuki will be much better than this "da$%" Lancer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Bill Code" Subject: SMS Lutzow plans? hello list, I have an old scale ship modeler from nov, 1991 it list in the plan reviews a three sheet set of plans drawn by Gunter Trenk of Lutzow as completed in1916 available from the Taubman Plans service... this service still out there? do they still have plans of Lutzow? regards Bill Code -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com Subject: Re: More Carrier Trivia Chuck writes >> Who (which navy) first operated a carrier task force during wartime? Carrier task force defined as ship(s) carrying heavier than air aircraft escorted by warships. Lets out that ACW barge baloon! << Believe this would be the IJN off of China in 1931 during the "Incident" they concocted as an excuse to invade Manchuria? Regards, John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: What a Blast from WAY Down Under! I dont know how I forgot about this, but this is a warning for all Americans wishing to visit New Zealand. Stay away from this horrid stuff called Marmite. Kiwi's like to put it on just about any food stuff. Its thick, like pitch, and almost black, and is got to be the absolute worst taste on the planet. I personally think it is left over tar patch from the age of sail, and Lester Abbey swears it is the same used greasing truck axels! So if someone try's to get you to eat this stuff, hold your crucifix up in front of you! Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Kelvin Mok" Subject: Re: New Jersey >> He was patroling somewhere near the coast and over a small hill stumbled upon a truck park of sorts. He called for artillery and received a reply whose static and tone was odd to him, like coming from a long distance. He was a little surprised when he discovered it was Navy and even more so when it was the New Jersey. He said that the sound was unmistakeable and undescribeable as the 16" rounds ripped in on target. << Doesn't sound quite right. The VN supply line didn't use trucks in South Vietnam let alone mass them in a park of any sort. Trucks would have to use roads - easy targets and where would they gas up or unload their cargo? Then one 16" round would have cost more than the entire truck pool. Kelvin Mok -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "O'Connor" Subject: Help with a submarine SMMLies, Years ago, I lived in Virginia Beach, Va., and on the Va. Beach side of the Hampton Roads Bridge Tunnel, just to the harbor side, was the hulk (ribs only, really) of a vessel purported to be a German U-boat from WWll. I always wondered if there was any truth to the legend that it was in fact a submarine, and if it was true that she was beached after a failed attempt to attack USN ships at Norfolk. Can anyone out there clue me in?? Was this an old wive's tale intended to draw support for the Navy or to just purpetuate a myth? Not model-related, but of interest to me..... Bob O'Connor, in the Banana Republic of Florida -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Reference book on USS Cod (SS-224) >> This past weekend I purchased an incredibly good, inexpensive photo reference book on the USS Cod (SS-224), a US Navy WW II Gato class submarine. << I will second what Eric is stating here. If you want a good, inexpensive visual reference for fleet submarines, this book is a real bargain. Someone walked from end to end with a first rate camera and photographed everything in detail! Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: U-869 & other stories >> It seams that the Germans used mercury as ballast in their submarines during WW I. << Mercury?? Boy, I would think that the last thing one would want would be a heavy liquid metal that could move around. Make it awfully hard to trim in a dive; get a little angle on and the mercury runs from one place to another, increasing your angle.....etc. Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "Mark C Krumrey" Subject: First ships I know this thread is wearing a little thin, but thought that I would chime right in. (sick) Anyway. I was 7 years old between 1st and 2nd grade, in 1957, when my mother and I took the train from Minneapolis to Duluth. My dad being a sailor in WWII, I naturally had a "Sailor Suit" with one of my dads white caps packed for a night of Liberty on the town. Much to my delight, there was a US Navy destroyer in town (USS Daniels?) for some fleet week. I would drag my mother down to the pier, I in my sailor suit, and gaze at this thing, and stand in line to get on. We were turned away twice. Finally, we got aboard. I had my sailor suit on, and felt right at home with all the rest of the sailors. A couple of them asked my mom if I could stay on as their "mascot". I almost cried when my mom said no, and the sailors said they were "kidding". In town, all of the sailors had a comment to make about my appearance in my "sailor suit". I was in heaven. I never wore civies the entire my mom and I were in Duluth. I was part of something big! Fast forward 11 years to June of 1968. I am now a 19 year old Private First Class in the USMC going to radio school in San Diego, and the New Jersey is tied up at NAS North Island. My buddy and I are on the North Island Shuttle, as the Coronado bridge was still under construction, going to the island; we are both wearing our uniforms, something unheard of by Marines in 1968. A Navy First Class, takes us under his wing, and gives us the grand tour of the ship. I mean the "Grand Tour". we went everywhere below decks, to include the Fire Control Center, where I actually had my hands on the pistol grip firing mechanism for the big 16" rifles. A year later, I did manage to traverse a crater left by the impact of one of the 16" rounds, as a radio operator in Viet Nam. I too was on the Inchon, but in 1988, when the USS Boulder, an LST, ran aground in a Norwegian Fjord during the highest high tide. The ship had to be off loaded of all the equipment, etc., to get it light enough to float off the "boulder" it ran aground on. The skipper was relieved. Mark Krumrey MGYSGT USMCR (ret.) New RIchmond WI -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: James Corley Subject: USS NAUTILUS/Battle of Midway documentary I got this email from Jeff Palshook,(one of my customers) who wanted to share the information. The air time is for Discovery USA only, AFAIK. >> I just wanted to let you know about an upcoming TV documentary on the Discovery Channel which you might find interesting (and I appear in the program). It's called "Search for the Japanese Fleet" and it is currently scheduled to air on Discovery Channel Wednesday, 20 December 2000, at either 8 or 9 PM. (Check your local listings.) The documentary tells of the story of how Nauticos Corporation (my current employer) and the Navy Oceanographic Office found wreckage in 18,000 ft of water from one of the Japanese aircraft carriers sunk during the World War II Battle of Midway. I previously shared news about our first Midway expedition with some of you. Others of you are hearing about this for the first time. So here's some background information to refresh the memories of those of you who were included in my previous e-mail messages and to get the new recipients up to speed. Nauticos started our Battle of Midway project about two years ago. The original goal was to locate and film the USS Yorktown (one of two US warships sunk at the Battle of Midway). After Dr. Bob Ballard found Yorktown, we shifted our efforts to finding one or more of the four Japanese aircraft carriers sunk during the battle. (Ballard also searched for them but did not locate any one of them.) Starting with a bunch of historical records from US forces engaged at the Battle of Midway (and the very few existing Japanese records), I did a detailed navigation analysis and ship track reconstruction of the battle with the goal of estimating the sinking position of Kaga, one of the Japanese carriers. This analysis actually focused on a track reconstruction of the submarine USS Nautilus, which torpedoed Kaga and witnessed Kaga's sinking. Using the results of this analysis, we designed a sonar search plan to find the Kaga. Nauticos has a Cooperative Research and Development Agreement (CRADA) with the Navy Oceanographic Office (NAVO), headquartered at NASA's Stennis Space Center in Mississippi. Using the provisions of the CRADA, Nauticos and NAVO staged a joint expedition to search for Kaga in May 1999. During this expedition we identified three promising sonar targets, one with an apparent debris field nearby. Equipment limitations prevented us from investigating these sonar targets with optical cameras. In September 1999 we returned to the Battle of Midway site with NAVO's Towed Ocean Survey System (TOSS). TOSS is a state-of-the-art towed, deep-ocean search system with a full suite of sonar and optical sensors. We used TOSS to investigate each of the three sonar targets from the May 1999 expedition. Each one turned out to be a geologic formation, but the apparent debris field near one of them turned out to be a real debris field containing wreckage from a Japanese warship. The biggest piece of wreckage in this debris field was about 20 ft X 20 ft X 10 ft in size. It appeared to be the twisted wreckage of two anti-aircraft gun emplacements -- with a big piece of attached hull -- from one of the Japanese Midway carriers. Subsequent analysis of the video and still camera footage of this piece of wreckage concluded it is twin anti-aircraft gun mounts, and the most likely candidate for which ship it belonged to was Kaga, the Japanese carrier we were seeking. The September expedition ran out of time before we could find the main hull of Kaga, which we believe must be just by. Unfortunately we have not been able to convince the US Navy to make a third trip to the site with TOSS to search further. Depending on which of my three Nautilus/Kaga track reconstruction scenarios you use, my estimated sinking position for Kaga is anywhere from 0.5 to 2.0 miles from the actual position of the big piece of wreckage. That may sound like a lot, but it's actually very good by the standards of deep-ocean search. I hope you get a chance to watch the documentary. Please tell your family and friends about it, too (especially if any of them have an input to the Neilsen ratings!) << -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: First Ship As to the first active naval ships ever visited: NATO's Standing Naval Force Atlantic (STANAVFORLANT) made a port call to Boston around about 1967 or 1969, and we went down to check them out. Of the seven or eight destroyers boarded, I can only remember three: USS McCaffery (DD-860), HMS Dido, and HMCS Assiniboine. Shot a bunch of photos, but they didn't survive for very long. Mike Alexandria, VA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: E-Boats >> I just scored a great deal from Squadron on an Airfix 1/72 E-Boot - ridiculously low price (check it out if you like large kits of small boats). However, this unplanned purchase leads to two questions: 1. Are there any after-market accessories to clean it up? 2. Are there any decent (and available) references on the E-Boots? If yes to either, sources? << For #1, the answer is "not exactly", but do consider getting Preiser 1/72nd scale figures for converting to crewmen. They're sold by Squadron Mail Order and Walthers, among others, and the aircraft ground crew and tank crew sets are especially nice -- minimal modifications required to turn them into German sailors. For #2, try one of the numerous book search web sites for a copy of "E-Boats and Coastal Craft" by Paul Beaver (Aztex Corp. Tucson, AZ 1981). Mike Alexandria, VA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Re: Steve Wiper in NZ >> New Zealand is a beautiful country! The sights are spectacular, and some of the best food I have ever stuffed my face with. As they say in New Zealand, "Yummy". Best, but not least, GREAT BEER! << Novelist Robert Parker (the "Spencer" private detective series) once proclaimed in an interview that Steinlager is the world's finest beer. If it's not, it's sure close. MWL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: BSteinIPMS@aol.com Subject: Monitor and Merimac >> need any info available on the Monitor and the Merimac (the Virginia) the Civil War ironclads would like a picture and description of the deck fittings and also an idea of the paint ..If there is a illustrated book available that would be appreciated ..We are building models of them to offer on the market and could use that info. << ray8017@aol.com Two very good references are the following: Amadon, George F., "Rise of the Ironclads", Pictorial Histories Publishing Company, Missoula, Montana, USA, 1993. Besse, Sumner B., "C.S. Ironclad Virginia and US. Ironclad Monitor", The Mariners' Museum, Newport News, Virginia, USA, 1996. Bob Steinbrunn Minneapolis Member, Nautical Research Guild Louisiana Naval War Memorial - USS Kidd, DD 661 The Mariners' Museum -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "Timothy J. Barron" Subject: CVN - Hangar Deck Questions I have some "dumb" questions for today: Question 1 - Just curious, can the entire airwing fit (below) in the hangar deck of a CVN carrier? Question 2 - Are aircraft types stored in any particular areas of the hangar deck? For example, I am planning on having all hangar bay doors open and am wondering for accuracy's sake, if I should be concerned. Most flight deck photos show F-14s near the stern, E2 and SH-60s near the island, and F-18s near the bow. For those aircraft that I put below deck, I was planning on matching that. Am I somewhat accurate? Question 3 - Any ideas/experience on lighting the hangar deck of a 1/700-1/720 model with something battery operated? Is it worth it in 1/700-1/720? I'm worried about it being to bright - maybe behind some type of tinted plastic? Timothy J. Barron mailto:tjbarro@worldnet.att.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: Frank Allen Subject: HMS Hood Anatomy of the Ship Book by John Roberts For Sale Just thought some of you might be interested in the following item on Ebay. Its a copy of the 1982 Anatomy of the Ship The Battlecruiser Hood" by John Roberts. Appears to be in very good condition. I'd buy it, but I already have one! It's at the following URL- http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=503841328 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: "Mike C" Subject: Re: Steve Wiper's review Steve- I'm sooooooo glad you didn't say, "Two thumbs up!" I understand that refers to something rude done to your down under, Down Under. Mike Czibovic -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: Stuart Robottom Subject: Spare 1:700 Ikara deckhouse Greetings all. This is a request. I was wondering if anyone had a spare 1:700 Ikara deckhouse (for the Skywave/Dragon HMAS Perth kit) lying around unused, or knew of a source for such. I mislaid mine, ironically, while checking kit contents during lunch in a fast food store... I fear it joined the 'fries' in the bin! Thanks in advance. Regards, Stuart Robottom http://www.deakin.edu.au/~robottom/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Shane Subject: Warshipbooks.com email hassles Hi, Recieved a message from Keith Butterley that his email is down. He can recieve mail, but not send at this time. Hopefully he'll have it sorted out soon. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: Sources on USS Milwaukee (CL-) The best source of info in print today is one of my own books on the entire Omaha class cruisers, Warship Pictorial #6 Omaha Class Cruisers - Photo Album, for only $12 US. Available thru Pacific Front Hobbies @ www.pacificfront.com Thanks, Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume