Subject: SMML VOL 1074 Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 21:49:25 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Ward 2: Re. Hanger bay arrangements 3: T class Submarines 4: Re: PT Boats 5: C-Span Goes Down Under 6: Spray booths 7: Passenger ship query 8: FAN Publications 9: 1/8"-1/96 scale detail parts 10: Chicago Blue Update and small boats 11: Pearl Harbor Film 12: Life on a Boomer 13: Classic Warships Warship Pictorials 9 and 10 14: First Carrier Task Force 15: Glencoe WWI Subchaser 16: Re: E-Boat 17: 1/72 'flying boats' and other fun stuff 18: Re: marmite 19: Carrier trivia -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Ships for sale 2: A reference tool for Age of Sail readers 3: Warshipbooks.com update 4: Warship Pictorials #9 & 10 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Les Pickstock Subject: Re: Ward Look for the H.M.S. CAMBELTOWN kit from REVELL/GERMANY they are the same kit really. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Jim Johnson" Subject: Re. Hanger bay arrangements When I was aboard the USS America CVA-66, the planes tended to go up and down the elevators they were closest to. This would mean that the fighter planes tended to be aft and the attack planes tended to be forward. The specialty aircraft (EKA-3B, E-2A etc.) were in the middle around the island but were very rarely in the hanger bay. The recon aircraft, RA-5C Vigilantes, were near the end of their service life and were high maintenance items to start with and I can't remember a time when there was not at least one and sometimes two of them in the back of the hangerbay. They would sit there for weeks with inspection panels open all over them and without engines. As someone mentioned, there were boats stored in the hanger bay. The ships are too big to pull into many ports. They draw around 35' of water and have to anchor near the harbor and have to "boat" people to and from. The boats, liberty launches, the captains gig, the admirals barge, are stacked two high on movable racks. They are stored near the elevator nearest the crane. This is #3 elevator on all carriers form the Forestall on up. (#3 is the last one on the starboard side). The boats are rolled out onto the elevator and put in the water by the crane. When we went to Westpac (Vietnam) most of the boats were landed. We had the gig and barge only IIRC. When we had to anchor out, local transportation was contracted to get us to shore and back. I would assume most carriers on a Nam cruise did the same thing. HTH Jim Johnson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: corlasvan@webtv.net (Case Van Hoboken) Subject: T class Submarines I used to serve in British T-Class submarines, while in the Royal Netherlands Navy, back in the '60's. I have been trying, for some time, to collect accurate information on these boats, as well as, perhaps (?) finding a model, or a plastic / resin kit, to build me a model myself. I have been led to believe that you folks might be able to provide me with " something " that might help..... I live in Southern California USA. If you DO have some info, or know of a place where I could obtain a model / kit / info, please quote any associated costs, including mailing etc. Thank you in advance. Case Van Hoboken -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: ELLshipmodeler@aol.com Subject: Re: PT Boats Lambert & Ross assembled an excellent reference book which cover both RN and USN PT boats. Is that "Allied Coastal Forces of World War II, Volume I & II" from the Naval Institute press? Gene Larson Alexandria, Virginia Member, NRG -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: C-Span Goes Down Under C-Span is going down under (the waves, that is). On Monday the 27th and Tuesday the 28th of November, C-Span the U.S. cable channel covering the House Of Representatives, will be running a two night special beginning at 8 P.M. called "Aboard A Boomer." Their cameras will go aboard the Trident Missile Sub USS Wyoming (SSBN-742). Hope it's a good one. The previews look interesting. Victor Baca MODEL SHIP JOURNAL www.modelshipjournal.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Charles McCreary Subject: Spray booths Hello experts! I was wondering if any of you could give any recommendations or anecdotes about the (commercially) available spray booths. I am thinking about buying a unit from Micromark who sells two varieties, a 20" or a 30" model. Does anyone own one of these? What have your experiences been? How do you deal with long hulls such as the 1/350 Titanic? Thanks, Charles McCreary -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Keith T Bender Subject: Passenger ship query Hi SMMLies, I have a request if any of you care to take it. I'm looking for some plans of a passenger ship that sailed the Atlantic. This is for someone that shops in the local hobbie store, I said maybe I could help. The man came across on her, doesn't remember what year for he was a baby. All his relatives are dead so he knows no dates. The name was "Arosa Kulm" "B" model, "Hog Islander " "B", he also wrote on the note to me. Arosa Klum was the second vessel of this name. t was a double ender with no sheer and 450 ft. 8,800 tons. He has this information on the back of one very poor photo. If anyone can help he would appreciate it. Thanks SMMlies, Keith -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: FAN Publications Hi Ken I was in a bookshop today and had a chance to look at several of FAN publications books (the ones on Eagle, Victorious, Ark Royal and I think Vengeance). They have plenty of photos of each carrier throughout it's life. There were several photos of the aircraft as well in each book. They didn't seem to give much information on colour schemes and they didn't include colour profiles. But all in all they seemed to be well written and well put together. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Steven Sliwka" Subject: 1/8"-1/96 scale detail parts I'm currently drawing plans for a 1/8" (1/96) scale freighter that is 222.5 metres long.... I have been having an awful time trying to find detail parts such as windlasses, winches, doors, portholes, etc. Does anyone know where to find these parts (any medium)? The only place I've had luck is at Bluejacket in Maine in the USA. The ship I'm designing is ocean-going but also designed for the Great Lakes trade. At this point I don't care if the pieces like the windlass or the winches match up to what they're supposed to..as long as there isn't too big of a difference.... I also have plans for a strictly ocean-class vessel underway so parts for these are needed too. Many of the parts are interchangeable..... If anyone can help me please let me know! I'm sure there's companies overseas or here in the US that I don't know about.. Thanks for your help! Steve -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "M & R Brown" Subject: Chicago Blue Update and small boats The Naval Historical Society are still researching the colour. However, at the moment the belief is that the paint was Us standard 5-N Navy Blue. The reasoning being: 1) We don't think Australia was producing marine paint at that time as ex RAN crew remember the RN colour paint cans as coming from HM Dockyard Portsmouth and marked as such. 2) RAN ships regularly restored from USN "Fleet Train" ships. A blind eye being turned to the fact that they weren't supposed to. Knowing the RAN they would have got whatever wasn't nailed down. 3) The US Navy shipped in most of the stores needed to refit their ships. Presumably the paint came in too and was used by Garden Island on whatever navy's ships it felt fit. The name Chicago Blue could come from the fact that she operated with RN ships and they adopted her name as she was painted that colour. It has also been suggested that the name came from the USS Chicago because that is where the RAN "acquired" their first supplies of the paint. Will keep you posted if any more news appears. As for the gentleman who believes that 1/72 is a strange scale, try putting radio gear etc in your 1/720 scale model & see if it floats. Handy to play with in a coffee cup or sink but no good in real water. Michael Brown -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Pearl Harbor Film Gang- Went to the movies today and saw previews for the Pearl Harbor movie due out next May. Things went by real fast, but it looks as if they used advanced CGI to redress modern ships to their WWII equivalents. The Battlewagons had either tripod or cage masts. One impressive shot was a follow shot of a bomb dropped from a Japanese plane. The plane drops the bomb, which passes by the camera, and is then followed from behind down to the deck of a battleship. You get on overhead view of the crew scattering as the bomb closes in. One puzzling shot showed a B-25 taking off from a carrier deck, with the camera following at an overhead 8 O'clock position (to the left, slightly behind and above the B-25). After the plane clears the deck, a rather modern cabin-cruiser is passed just to the starboard of the carrier. Hey, Halsey didn't have any cabin-cruiser escorts for the Hornet along, did he? Hope that one gets digitally "erased" before release. Anyone else see this trailer and can share some more? Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Life on a Boomer In the US, C-Span will feature a 2 part look at life aboard an SSBN on Monday & Tuesday nights( Nove 27 & 28th) at 8:00 EST. Looked pretty decent, so warm up those VCRs. This one is particlaurly interesting for me, as the SSBN is the USS Wyoming, SSBN-742. My two sons & I were fortunate enough to get a 2 1/2 hour tour of her the day after she was commissioned at Electric Boat. Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Ken Summa Subject: Classic Warships Warship Pictorials 9 and 10 I just received the latest Warship Pictorials from Classic Warships and I must say that they get better with each new publication. No. 9 covers the Yorktown class carriers (finally CW does a book on carriers) and it covers the whole class (Yorktown, Enterprise, and Hornet). There are no gaps in the photos as each configuration of the ships are well represented in photos and historical text. No. 10 covers the Portland class cruisers. Even though the first book was on Indianapolis, this one is a must as it covers both ships in the class and has some new photos on the Indy. And, the cover illustrations are awesome!!! Steve Wiper did an excellent job balancing the amount of photos and text in each book, even considering that each book covers all of the ships in the class. For those who already have the previous CW titles, these will not disappoint. For those who don't, they are a must. Keep up the great work Steve (and do a book on the New Mexicos!!!) Ken Summa -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "wblad" Subject: First Carrier Task Force In April, 1914, the USS Mississippi and USS Birmingham carried 5 "hydoaeoplanes" to Vera Cruz, Mexico. These planes conducted scouting flights over Mexican positions. Although the planes were unarmed, they were hit by ground fire. In September, 1914, the Japanese Wakamiya Maru operated Farman floatplanes during the capture of Tsingtao. On November 27, 1914, these Farmans tried to bomb German and Austro-Hungarian warships in Kiaochow Bay. The attacks were unsuccessful. On July 12, 1849, the Austrian sidewheel steamer Vulcano, which was part of the fleet blockading Venice, launched hot-air balloons carrying explosive charges calibrated to drop at various times. The wind shifted and the balloons were blown back over the ship. This form of attack was not repeated. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Rod Dauteuil" Subject: Glencoe WWI Subchaser Hello all, I just bought the Glencoe USS Oregon kit, and pictured on the side of the box is their out of production WWI Subchaser kit. I'm interested in that ship--what is the prototype's classification? According to the "Rajen" list, it is an Eagle Class, and the box art shows a large "AV" followed by a smaller SC96" at the bow. But I looked on DANFS for reference, but couldn't find it. When were their service lives? Did any survive to WWII? Would anybody just happen to have an extra one kicking around collecting dust? If I can't find the kit itself, it looks like it could be a good scratchbuilding project--not too big or complex. But I need dimensions or at least a reference for photos. Rod. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Ed & Eleta Malewitz Subject: Re: E-Boat Airfix's E boat is actually a very nice rendition of S-10. For reference, see Warship Profile 31 (G. Hummelchen), which has several good photos of the early S boats. For its time, the Airfix kit was spectacular. But if you want to make a later S-80 or armored bridge S-100 series boat, the 1/400 Heller kits are much easier. Ed Malewitz -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: 1/72 'flying boats' and other fun stuff >> I'm sure that the guys from Task Force 72 amongst others, would heartily disagree with your assumption about "common" ship scales. Only goes to show that the scale of the model doesn't really matter - only that you get enjoyment out of it. Shane - who may one day get to his 1/72 ship kits ;-) << Yeah, I know--but, It's kinda fun to stir it up a bit now and again just to see what rises to the surface... I don't know about you guys down under, but around these parts some of those 1/72nd ship models have the capability of shooting back! (BTW I have a few of those old 1/72 scale Airfix humpy back rescue boats in the styrene pile out back. Never could resist a life saver and they appropriately came with roundels...) Victor Baca -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Richard Baker" Subject: Re: marmite I can't believe someone gave Steve Wiper marmite to eat, it's what we use in the UK as a resin substitute on waterline models, pour it in leave out in the sun for a day or so and hay presto rock hard. Richard Baker www.resolution.ic24.net P.S. website updated with nice dry-dock photo's from 1930 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Minadmiral@aol.com Subject: Carrier trivia >> My candidates would be the Imperial Russian Navy's Black Sea Fleet "gidrokresiesera" IMPERATOR NIKOLAI I & IMPERATOR ALEXANDR I, which operated with ALMAZ and a fourth vessel, ROMINIA, rated a "gidroviatransporti" as a carrier strike force from early 1915. << Hi; Bingo Paul!! These seaplane carriers operated with escorting destroyers, cruisers, and battleships in the Black Sea. They operated against Turkish, Bulgarian, and Roumanian forces. I believe it was a Turkish destroyer that was the first warship that they attacked. Now one of these task forces would make a nice diorama. Chuck Duggie WoodenWalls Listmeister Naval wargamer, amateur naval historian, and ship modeler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Ray8017@aol.com Subject: Ships for sale Have for sale wood plank on frame models of Arleigh Burke Class Destroyer, Gato/Balao Class Submarine and Hamilton Class Coast Guard Cutter kits made by BaD Ship models ray8017@aol.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: John Berg Subject: A reference tool for Age of Sail readers News from Sea Room: New! Longitudinal sections in wood, framed, and behind glass. Includes the Endeavour, Victory, Bellona, a 74 Gun Ship, Tudor ship Mary Rose, Constitution. The attachment can be read with browser following the procedures of your mail reader. If you have difficulty to can download directly by clicking on: http://www.sea-room.com/series/model-series.html For information on how to order click on: http://www.sea-room.com/ordering.html For more information contact johnberg@sea-room.com John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Shane Subject: Warshipbooks.com update Hi Keith's email is slowly getting better, but is still pretty much US at the moment & can only send short messages at this time :-((. In the meantime, he has the S&S KM paint chips in stock. Check out: http://www.warshipbooks.com/ Regards, Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Warship Pictorials #9 & 10 We just received our review copies of Classic Warships' "Warship Pictorial" Number 9 & 10. WOW! These have to be among the best warship references to come along in quite a while. Chock full of detailed and crispy clear photos, they are worth every bit of the modest asking price. Yorktown Class Carriers (#9) combines sedate dockyard views with gritty war images to bring us a real understanding of the stuff these ships were made of. Steve Wiper combines short histories to give depth to the coverage, but it's the photos that are the real star of the show. Indianapolis & Portland (#10) is another example of fine photo reproduction that will be a welcome addition to the modeler's bookshelf. These books are so good, we'll review them both in the next issue of Model Ship Journal. Well done, Steve. Victor Baca Editor & Publisher MODEL SHIP JOURNAL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume