Subject: SMML VOL 1082 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 00:35:07 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Christmas wish list 2: E boats 3: Neptun 1:1250s 4: Re: Flags and where to get them 5: Re: Journal problems 6: Re: Gato article 7: RE: Caine Mutiny 8: Re: Trivia 9: Indiana Ship Hobby Shops 10: Re: Intereting trivia 11: Caine Mutiny 12: Plans? 13: Pearl and Ballard 14: Re: honorarry US Citizen 15: Pearl Harbor movie 16: Re: U-boats 17: Re: WW I Subchaser kits and books 18: S.S. United States 19: Lindbergh PT-109 1/32??? 20: Re: Honorary Citizen 21: Honorary Ship? 22: PHM 23: Getting the balance right in getting upset with the PHM 24: U 505 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation 1: Washington DC area SMMLcon 2000 (With Slightly More Detailed Travel Directions) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: WWI German & Austrian Navy References for sale -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "RON" Subject: Christmas wish list Dear SMML Clause All I want for Christmas is a 1/350 "New Mexico" Please make sure it has self adhesive railing and preformed FC & FD Radar antennae. I have been a good boy all year and always cleaned up my work table and remembered to put the cap on the glue. I only spilled the paint once (you can hardly notice the spot in the carpet) And I promise to complete the other projects I started. Ron -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Friedrich Kappes Subject: E boats By the way: Why in hell are the German S-Boote called E boats?? Friedrich The FriedrichFiles -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: iscandar@chatter.com (Derek Wakefield) Subject: Neptun 1:1250s How much assembly is required for the Neptun 1:1250 kits? I'm guessing some assembly is required, but what's the average part count? Derek -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Flags and where to get them >> He says that these are produced by Duane Fowler....but never gives an address for this company or person. I am just an occassional ship model builder (armor being my main interest)...but would like to have a set of these. "If" they are not to costly. << I didn't have a reliable address for the flags at the time I put them in the Journal. You can order them from Pacific Front Hobbies. Duane's decals are featured in the latest update I got in the mail. I haven't checked, but I'm certain you can find them on the update posted on the Warship site. Check with Bill for availability. Rusty White Flagship Models - Photo Etched Details for Warships http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ We now accept Visa & MasterCard world wide via Pay Pal "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Journal problems >> I too received my journal with a duplicate section and missing the middle pages. I was thinking of sending it back to the Editor asking for a correctly assembled version (if one in fact exists). Is this a minor problem or is the entire edition corrupted? << The problem as I stated yesterday, occurred last year as well. It didn't occur in every issue then. It was sporadic and bad copies were sent all over the country but mostly concentrated in certain zip codes since the problem copies were bunched together. Contact the IPMS Journal and they will replace your copy. Rusty White Flagship Models - Photo Etched Details for Warships http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ We now accept Visa & MasterCard world wide via Pay Pal "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Gato article Tom Dougherty wrote Tom, >> My issue came complete. I can send you a copy; however, Rusty's article is essentially (am I correct here, Rusty) the same as he has placed online at the Warship's Homepage about his 1:72 build of a Gato. << A little different, but quite similar. There are far more photos on the Warship site though. For obvious reasons the Journal didn't want to devote too many pages to photos. >> PS Rusty-if you are reading this, just for chuckles (since my wife is NOT reading this...) how much did the Scale Shipyard kit of the Gato cost in that scale? << I can't tell you. I had the client purchase the kit and the case and send the whole mess to me. I have seen a SSY Gato hull at the nationals last year in Dallas. They were asking $75.00 just for the bare bones hull and conning tower. I'm not sure if that included all the guns. I can only assume it did. SSY has a web site at: http://members.aol.com/ssyweb/SSYList.html Rusty White Flagship Models - Photo Etched Details for Warships http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ We now accept Visa & MasterCard world wide via Pay Pal "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: HPolvi@kgp.cclcustom.com Subject: RE: Caine Mutiny >> ..."According to an oral history by an officer serving aboard one of ZANE's squadron mates, Wouk if anything underplayed the conditions of that campaign for the DMS's." << So there were even fewer strawberries to go around? Henry Polvi -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Richa5011@aol.com Subject: Re: Trivia Rusty wrote: >> What honorary US citizen is a US warship named after? << Sir Winston Churchill Though, since there is a ship named for British born Bob Hope, did he ever take US citizenship? Nat Richards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Devin J. Poore" Subject: Indiana Ship Hobby Shops Over Christmas I'll be heading back to my old home town to visit the parents. Are there any hobby shops in Southern Indiana, say between Indianapolis and Louisville, that are worth a trip while I'm there? Someplace that carries resin kits, books, etc. Thanks, Devin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Kevin W. Woodruff" Subject: Re: Intereting trivia Rusty wrote >> What honorary US citizen is a US warship named after? << That would be the USS Winston Churchill (DDG-81) Kevin W. Woodruff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "wblad" Subject: Caine Mutiny Mr. Fontenoy is correct. Wouk's ship was the USS Zane (DD337/DMS14), not the Kane. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Dan" Subject: Plans? I like to build models from scratch but I'm having trouble finding plans for ships. I would be very thankful if anyone could tell me a good place to find plans for ships. I'm not picky, any kind of ship would be great. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Chris Crofoot Subject: Pearl and Ballard I've read with some interest the stories of Pearl Harbor. I just got the latest Nat. Geographic.... Ballard has some items of interest regarding his recent expedition in the Harbor. You can find it on the web at: Pearl Harbor Expedition. The links from the article are particularly nice! Chris Crofoot -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "denis keegan" Subject: Re: honorarry US Citizen Winston Churchill of course -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Ken Goldman" Subject: Pearl Harbor movie I too get annoyed, though more often amused, by the inaccuracies in movies. As a scriptwriter who has sold several screenplays, I am also attuned to the changes that must be made in any historical project in order to craft a solid dramatic story that will engage an audience and take them for an emotional journey or a thrill ride. History often suffers, often without the counterbalancing ripping yarn that the trailers promise. The bottom line is to entertain and thereby turn a profit. The process does become maddening when, in many cases, it would cost no more to get things right. Regardless of whether one is a strict historical purist or is willing to accept movies for what they are, everyone on this list seems to have forgotten a substantial side benefit to those of us who strive to preserve history. Motion picture studios pay enormous sums to museums and collectors for the privilege of using their equipment. One of the things that eat up my time is helping out at The Air Museum "Planes of Fame" in Chino, California. Several of their aircraft appear in the movie in question, including the only all-original flying A6M5 Zero, a P-40, a Val replica built for TORA TORA TORA, and a Casa - Spanish Messerschmitt 109. Some of the money the museum received paid for restoring the Casa and the Val to flight status - living history. So, even though movie producers might twist history to turn out their product, there is a plus side. It is up to the schools, and those of us who care, to ensure that all of us know the difference between history and historical entertainment. Whether or not the Pearl Harbor movie will succeed on its own terms remains to be seen. Ken Goldman THE WALRUS AND THE CARPENTER unique wood sculpture and fine scale models www.walruscarpenter.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Craig R Bennett Subject: Re: U-boats Hi Guys Well I hope this isn't to late for discussion. I recently picked up Siegfried Breyer's German U-Boat Type 21 book and I came across something interesting. I might have the names of the U-oats in the Cheaspeake Bay and Lake Michigan. After both World wars U-boats were obtained by the navy for evaluation. In 1921 3 U-boats were destroyed by gunnery practice or aerial bombing.Wasn't 1921 the year that General Mitchell USAF proved that Battleships can be sunk by bombers? According to DANFS which can be gotten over the internet WW-1 U-117 was sunk near Cape Charles by planes along with U-140 and UB-148. The sub sunk in Lake Michigan is UC-97. For WW-2 it might be either U-2513 or U-3008. These were near or at Norfolk after the war. I have one last question concerning the WW-1 subs. In 1919 when these subs changed ownership from the Germans to the Americans they went on tour around the country and they were given a specific section of the country to be displayed and this was called a Victory bond drive. Why in peacetime was there a bond drive when they usally they're done in wartime?Any one know? Craig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: dhjonespsm@juno.com Subject: Re: WW I Subchaser kits and books Fkbrown90@aol.com writes: >> My best guess is that Glencoe has acquired the dies etc. of the old ITC-Ideal Toy kit, and has re-released it under their name, although that is admittably a guess, not altogether unreasonable. << You are correct - the Glencoe kit is indeed the old ITC kit - also issued in between under the Ringo label back in the 1980's - the Ringo version was molded in a BRIGHT yellow plastic with a sprue in black that included the gun. The 3" deck gun was a weapon called the Poole Gun - one of the more useless pieces of naval ordnance ever designed. The ITC molding shows its age (molded on hull numbers and heavy detailing) but is a fairly good kit for its day and has a lot of potential. >> There are a few out-of-print books available as well, I just got a 1920 book "The Cinderellas of the Fleet" by W.W. Nutting. << There are two others that deal specifically with 110' subchasers that are worth getting. "The Splinter Fleet" by Ray Millholland (1936). If you decide to try to find one - make an effort to get the first edition (1936 - Bobbs Merrill publisher - with green cloth binding). Later editions had a much cheaper binding and some of the later editions did NOT include the photos! Beware! "Maverick Navy" by Alexander Moffat. (1976) Wesleyan University Press. Moffat served in 110 footers in WW I and the book includes some interesting photos. BTW - Moffat wrote a second book about his WWII experiences as well called "A Navy Maverick Comes of Age 1939-1945" - from the same publisher (1977). Both are fun to read and the first one, together with the Splinter Fleet book, gives a lot of detail and a selection of photos that will be very useful for modelers of the Glencoe/Ringo/ITC kits. Daniel Jones Plastic Ship Modeler magazine -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "John" Subject: S.S. United States Okay Okay call me nuts (no comment Shane) I have sold my 1/72nd scale model of the HMS HOOD and now I am looking for an new form of brow beating and have settled on the S.S. United States of course she will be modeled in 1/72nd scale which will come out to just short of 14 feet long 16 inches wide and 29 inches tall but have run into a slight problem I cant seem to locate any plans or drawings of her can any of you guys or gals assist me in my insanity Thanks John Anderson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Lindbergh PT-109 1/32??? Is this Lindbergh 1/32nd Elco PT kit any good? What's needed to make it good - if prayer is involved, I need to know ... any insights? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "JAmes McCormick" Subject: Re: Honorary Citizen Rusty, Although I have been made a fool many times... Winston Churchill? Jim McCormick -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Honorary Ship? I believe the correct answer is the USS Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill (oh, OK, the USS Winston Churchill ...), one of the new breed of destroyers and the one to test the "Big Gun" ... Ned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "JAmes McCormick" Subject: PHM Everyone seems to think that PHM is a movie, but to me, PHM was a part of my life for the better part of 2 years. All you ship type guys should know that PHM stands for Patrol craft, Hydrofoil, Missile, NOT Pearl harbor, the Movie. Yeah, USS Pegasus, Taurus, Hercules, Aquila, Gemini, and Airies. If you look REALLY closely at White Ensign's latest update, you will see that WEM is doing a 1/350th kit (man, I am bouncing off the WALLS!!!!!!). No time soon, but it is in the works. Fellow SMMLer Rusty White was instrumental in this endeavor, as he provided the plans to Mr Hall. Man, I may as well put the Christmas tree away NOW, even though I don't expect the kit for months. Man, first Navy holds on to beat Army(some game, huh?), now this? woohoo!!!!! Jim McCormick -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: "Phil M. Gollin" Subject: Getting the balance right in getting upset with the PHM Re. The Pearl Harbo(u)r Movie Whilst I don't doubt that the inaccuracies in any part of the Pearl Harbo(u)r attack is going to upset "us", what is really going to annoy historians and people whose relatives and friends fought in WW2 is going to be the reported replacement of a Polish volunteer squadron in the Battle of Britain sequence with a fictional "Eagle" squadron (they were formed later). This will annoy, at least, two Countries greatly, but it will be interesting to see whether it is even noticed in the USA. "We" may be indignant, others will have the right to be bloody furious. Phil -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: Friedrich Kappes Subject: U 505 Gröner says that all IX C boats were armed that way: 6 53,34 TT (22 T); 1x10,5cm L/45; 1x3,7; 1x2,0 some, but not 505 also could carry mines instead of torpedos. From 1943/44 armament was altered: 6 TT; no 10,5; 4x2,0 in 2 twins; 1x3,7 Friedrich The FriedrichFiles http://sites.netscape.net/friedkappes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: maeisen@erols.com Subject: Washington DC area SMMLcon 2000 (With Slightly More Detailed Travel Directions) Folks: The Washington DC area SMMLcon will be held on Sunday, December 10, from 1-3 pm, at Nostalgic Plastic, a hobby shop in Silver Spring, Maryland. The response to my efforts to organize a Washington DC area SMMLcon exceeded expectations: thus far about 15 people have RSVP'd! Because my house is too small to comfortably accomodate a group this large, I searched for alternative venues. Chris Mikesh, who is the proprietor of a local hobby shop, Nostalgic Plastic, very kindly agreed to host this event. We will be meeting at Nostalgic Plastic Automotive, which is an annex located two doors down from the main store, and which has a lot of space which is usually used for model-building demos and workshops. I hope that everyone will bring one or two built-up ship models (or at least one or two under construction) and maybe some books or publications that they have found to be helpful or interesting, for "show and tell." Soft drinks and cookies will be served. Nostalgic Plastic is located at 2425 Linden Lane, Silver Spring, Maryland. It is about 5 minutes south of the DC beltway. To get there, take the DC Beltway (I-495) to Silver Spring, and exit at Georgia Avenue SOUTH. Merge onto Georgia Avenue, continue south for less than a minute, pass the stop light at Seminary Place, continue straigh another hundred feet or so, then turn right at the second light (i.e. the next light) onto Seminary Road (do not be confused by the sign for Dale Drive; the second light is indeed Seminary Road). Go down Seminary Road a minute or so, and continue straight onto Linden Lane when Seminary Road veers off to the left at the elementary school. Continue down Linden Lane a minute or so more until you get to the strip mall on the right, and pull into the parking lot there. Nostalgic Plastic is located at 2425 Linden Lane, and Nostalgic Plastic Automotive, where we will be meeting, is located at 2417 Linden Lane. If you find yourself going over an overpass and at the Walter Reade Army Medical Clinic Annex, you've gone too far by a few hundred feet. If you get lost, you can call the store at (301) 565-0565, and they should be able to help you with directions. I look forward to seeing all you SMMLies on December 10! If anybody has any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me via e-mail. Yours truly, Michael Eisenstadt -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: GrafSpee34@aol.com Subject: WWI German & Austrian Navy References for sale Hi I am thinning out my German Naval book library again. I just put my extra copy of a really excellent Photodocumentary on the Austro- Hungarian TEGETTHOFF Class battelships up for sale. Starts at one dollar, no reserve. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=517055106 I am also selling an excellent guide to the Austro Hungarian Gunboats and Monitors with plans and photos, likewise starting at one dollar: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=517060943 When you get there, please click on my other auctions for some Warship Profiles, and a bunch of vintage german WWI related books, with photos, from the 1930's and earlier. I have an extra plans set for the SMS EMDEN in 1:200 scale, 14 sheets drawn by Gunther Huff, etc etc, If anyone from this list who is Stateside buys anything, I will pay the postage. Just mention it to me when the auction closes. Cheers and thanks for looking Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume