Subject: SMML VOL 1084 Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 20:52:07 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: RAN & the Gulf 2: Turtle Ships 3: Trivia 4: U-Boot colors 5: Woodcrafting tools 6: HMS Skirmisher 7: Thank you E boat experts 8: First [plastic] ship kit -- was Looking for good DDG-51 kit. 9: Glencoe Subchaser 10: Pearl Harbor anniversary at the US Naval Historical Center 11: SS United States 12: Santa Visit 13: Furious Rights PHM 14: russian planking 15: Santa 16: Origin of British Term "E-Boat" 17: Re: Plan source 18: Re: Journal problems? Not really 19: Re: Arliegh Burke second choice 20: Honorary Citizenship was Trivia 21: Grumman Duck Instructions 22: An un-necessary reply 23: Re: Nostalgic Plastic Store 24: Intend to remain on the surface..... 25: The Two Zhong Shans 26: Poole Gun 27: Door colours 28: Plan Sources 29: Aussie Frigates 30: HR - Superb Quality! 31: Nichimo's 1/200th scale U-boat, any good? 32: Re: ACW ship plans 33: Sinkex 99? 34: Hunley, a Different View 35: More kits for 110' Sub Chasers 36: Re: Sub Chasers 37: Lindbergh PT-109 38: Re: Neptuns -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation 1: Invitation for New England US area ship modelers -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "M & R Brown" Subject: RAN & the Gulf The other day, someone asked about the RAN's colours in the Gulf War. Per a TF72 member who served there, they never wore US colours. They were painted in the standard RAN colour scheme. Michael Brown Hi Michael, That was me ;-). Last year in the IPMS(UK) Magazine Vol 2/99 there weas an excellent (albeit short) article on the RAN in the Gulf War by Gary Madgwick. This was only marred in my opinion by the comment that the RAN ships were finished as per USN ships ie: hull: Haze Grey & decks: Dark Grey. Now since they quoted the APMA Magazine (wrongly subtitled as an IPMS Magazine) as a source, I felt a reply was warranted. This was printed in 4/99 where I said that I thought the colours were in error. However, I hadn't had a chance to follow this up until the recent post, where I thought I'd float the theory again.. So thank you for the clarification. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Cooper, Mike" Subject: Turtle Ships Dear SMMlies Sorry to be a bit behind the thread, but the Cooper attic is in a worse 2&8 than normal as a major bookshelf collapsed. (Look....I send all day surrounded by PCs and bookshelves, and the last thing I want to do when I go home is look at bookshelves). Turtle Ships - have a look at Military Illustrated Number 143 (April 2000) pp.30-37 "Admiral Yi's Turtle Ships" by Stephen Turnbull. Drawings, art and photos of a reconstruction. UK SMMLies who send me a snail-mail address might just be able to get a copy for their own personal use, SMMLies in fellow European states, Dominions, etc and even former colonies - can we try fax? Mike Cooper (Dark and wet Reading) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Trivia Hi All As it seems to be trivia season I thought I'd chime in with one This hero had 3 different ships named after him, each from a different country. However, only one country had the right to use the name, the others just borrowed it. Who was he and which ships were named after him? For an extra point can anyone name another two ships which were named after his most famous collaborator and one of his most famous victories Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "enrico_villa@libero.it" Subject: U-Boot colors Hi all, could some of you recommend the colors for the hull of Type XXI, Type IXB and Type VIIC U-Boot? I was thinking of using Humbrol M79 for the lower part of the hull of Type IX and VII, but I've also seen drawings which show the use of rusty red there. And for what concerns the upper part, any suggestions about which grey I should use? Thanks! Enrico -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Bergschöld Pelle Subject: Woodcrafting tools Fellow shiplunatics. As a close relatvie has turned from the plastic towards wood as preferred material for modelbuilding, and this at the same time as X-mas is approaching, the conclusion must be to as a x-mas gift provide him with proper tools. As I am not very accustomed to working in wood myself, may I please ask for some tips on what to buy? All the best Pelle SWE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: RhinoBones@aol.com Subject: HMS Skirmisher A rather unique ship has appeared on e-Bay. Placed for auction is a 1/96 British scout cruiser from the early turn of the century period. I probably will not bid on it myself, but I am sure that there are more than a few SMML readers who might be interested in this kit. This item appears to be a big departure from the typical e-Bay offerings. The text below was copied from the auction page: >> 1/96 WW1 HMS CRUISER model ship kit RC BIG nr Item #518173372 NO RESERVE! A 1/96 scale model kit of a Royal Navy Cruiser, for radio control! HMS SKIRMISHER by the Dean's Marine Model Company of England. got this model kit in the late 1980's while in London. Meanwhile, my interests have changed. The box shows storage age, the contents are complete but a bit dusty. This 1:96 Deans Marine kit retails for over $400 now! A BIG fiberglass hull with steel plating detail is the base of this model, along with the superstructure from printed 1mm plastic for the main assembly. A sheet of .5mm printed plastic adds the final sharpness to this elegant model. To complete the detail, over 300 light alloy and cast plastic fittings are included. Vacuformed plastic moldings are supplied for larger and more complex parts such as the ships boats, funnels, vents and funnel bases. The railings and ladders on the model are photo etched. An instruction booklet and full size rolled plans are included in the kit. A full set of running gear is included. This builds into a very classy and colorful large model. Handling and sea-keeping qualities are said to be outstanding. Kit Specifications 2 or 4-Channel R/C Operation, Dual Counter-rotating propellers, Length: 45", beam 5" Historical Information: The Scout Class Cruiser came from the Vickers Yard in 1905 and had a ram bow, three funnels, and a turtle back focastle. The four, triple expansion engines developed 17,500 hp, giving a speed of 25 knots. The class were small fast cruisers referred to as scouts. They arose from the need for a fast ship to perform a scouting role in the North Sea to keep an eye on the German Navy in that area. Coupled to this role was the requirement for a flotilla leader to the smaller seagoing destroyers. These ships had to have the ability to work with their flock but still provide for extra firepower and the Flotilla's Captain and his staff. Though lightly armed compared with a third class cruiser, their high speed enabled them to scout secure in the knowlege that they could outrun any serious opposition. A total of 15 "Scouts" were completed between 1905 and 1913 all with differences in construction. H.M.S. Skirmisher can be considered typical of the class. << -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Friedrich Kappes Subject: Thank you E boat experts Thank you denis keegan, Michael London, PT191@aol.com, John Snyder for your help!! Friedrich The FriedrichFiles http://sites.netscape.net/friedkappes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: First [plastic] ship kit -- was Looking for good DDG-51 kit. Dan: I think that you will find the majority of the members on this list will recommend something like the Tamiya Fletcher in 1:350 scale as a good first plastic ship kit. Pair that kit with a set of brass from Gold Medal Models, Flagship Models, or Toms and you will be able to transfer some of the skills from your other modeling interests as well as learn some new ones. The Fletcher is in 1:350 scale - common with your desired Burke class project. It represents the early-war, round bridge confiruration of the class. Later mods had a squared-off bridge and went through different combinations of sensors and weapons. Your favorite styrene glues and paints will work assembling the kit, but you will need to use CA or epoxy on the etched metal. Some people have found it easier to use white glue on the brass. Its all part of the learning process. It is my recommednation that you do not start with the big Tamiya Enterprise or one of the Revell box-scale kits. The former is too big (Where do I start? What if I screw up?). The latter requires too much destruction before construction. If you want to try some techniques with a resin and brass kit, let me suggest that you look at some of the Iron Shipwright's smaller kits, particularly their PC patrol craft. You're looking at the whole kit for less than 40 dollars - no need to purchase aftermarket parts. This will give you the opportuneity to learn and pratice skills on a small kit without the worries of screwing up a larger (more expensive) kit. After you've build the Fletcher and/or the PC, and your Burke - then consider a 1:700 scale ship kit. Apply what you've learned to a smaller scale. When I used to tie flies for fishing I would start large and teach my fingers to do the motions - then I'd go to the smaller size hooks that I intended to fish with. It worked then and it still works for me now. Hope this helps Ed Mansfield, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "J.Pasquill" Subject: Glencoe Subchaser >> My best guess is that Glencoe has acquired the dies etc. of the old ITC-Ideal Toy kit, and has re-released it under their name, although that is admittably a guess, not altogether unreasonable. << They are the same kit. Exactly. The numbers are molded into the hull but any modeler beyond the absolute beginner should be able to remove the numbers with a file or Micromark detail remover and rescribe the lines. For a better model replace the plastic cast deck with a real wood deck and replace the gun with a metal casting. The 1990s release by Glencoe is out of the warehouse. Glencoe planned another release this year but it has been put off, along with the ITC Atlantic, and Corsair kits that never appeared in 99-2000. Check all the online hobby shops. I found a few last night that list the subchaser as being in stock though web sales sites are notorious for being out of date. Someone has one on Ebay about every week or so but some folks that are not aware that they will be released again usually bid the price over $25. You shouldn't have to pay more than $18. I got several last summer for $12 each from an online dealer. A year ago or so I promised to pass on some info on the subchaser that appears in a US Navy sale bulletin and never got around to it. Then lost everyones address that had asked for it. I will try to get it on a site somewhere for all to see. The info appears in a brochure the Navy put out to try to sell off extra subchasers. It has some pictures and a full below-decks layout as well as a plan that shows how one could convert a subchaser into a spiffy yacht for the 1920s high-roller that has one of everything. Cool stuff. Jim -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: Pearl Harbor anniversary at the US Naval Historical Center Hello SMMLies With the anniversary of the Pearl Harbor attack coming toward the end of the week the US Naval Historical Center is continuing their photographic essay on the events surrounding the attack and its aftermath. Check it out at: http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/whatsnew.htm In addition to the coverage of Pearl Harbor, there is a section on the Yorktown II (CV-10) that includes a color photo of the Yorktown in mid-1943 with a yet-to-be stained flight deck with a black mid-deck stripe and no number. It also looks to be some Helldivers and Avengers spotted on the fore-deck. http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/k14000/k14379.jpg For the submarine fans there is an series on the USS Salmon (SS-182). Includes are some very good detail pictures taken following a Mare Island refit. http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-usn/usnsh-s/ss182.htm For the Gators, there is a section on the USS LST-325. The -325 was transfered to the Greek Navy and has recently been returned to the LST veterans association. It will be used as a memorial/museum. And finally, for the Royal Navy fans, there is a section on HMS Prince of Wales. Most of these pictures are onboard shots showing Roosevelt and Churchill's meeting at Argentia, Newfoundland. There are some captured Japanese photos showing the attack on the POW. It looks like it has been a productive week at the naval Historical Center. Check it out. Ed Mansfield, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Robert J. Bartolacci" Subject: SS United States Hi All OK, can someone bring me up to date??? I remember reading an article in perhaps Sea Classics a while back (several years) describing how the SS United States was being sold to a Turkish consortium that intended on turning her into a hotel/cruise complex. She was being prepared to leave for Turkey, never to return to the U.S. again. Lately I have been reading in SMML that she is still here in the U.S. Can anyone fill me in on what has been / is happening with the SS United States? My curiosity is stirred up... Thanks, Bob -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: Santa Visit http://www.angelfire.com/wa/warpoetry/Beforexmas.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: GrafSpee34@aol.com Subject: Furious Rights PHM Ned writes: >> But this is a work of F-I-C-T-I-O-N << Yes, just like the Lindberg 1/32 scale PT 109 kit. (It is also spelled M-I-S-R-E-P-R-E-S-E-N-T-A-T-I-O-N or S-C-H-L-O-C-K) Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Pieter Cornelissen Subject: russian planking Hi all, About a year ago I built a WSW 1/700 Petropavlovsk battleship as in 1921. I more or less screwed up the paint job because the deck planking was layed out in sections. According to the reviews this was historically correct for Russian and Soviet battleships. You can see the builtup by the much better skills of Falk Pletscher on the Warship site to see what I mean. In the mean time I kept looking for a version of these ships after modernisation. They were rebuilt during the 20's with a superstructure that was obviously designed by a Russian Avant Garde painter -not by a naval architect. I like that in ships. When the Kombrig version of Partizhkaya Kummuna came out I ordered it immediately from Russia and it arrived today (after three months). As Kombrig seems to be close to the sources of information I was a bit surprised that the deck planking was straight, and not in sections (and much finer than the WSW version by the way). My limited library does not have any overhead views of the ships after 1917. Neither does it have clear information on the colour of the ships (either hull, deck, platforms or boats) and the Kombrig instructions only consist of onel exploded view. This leaves two questions that some people on this list my be able to answer. 1 What was the layout of the ships' decks, straight planking or in sections? 2 Is there any information available on the colours of these ships? Pieter Cornelissen Delft, The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "RON" Subject: Santa I must say Santa, that I was dissapointed in your attitude about my little boys wish list. I have had to sedate him with Prozac and now he sits in front of the fireplace muttering something about settling for an ICM Hood or Tamiya Essex under his tree. Ron's Mommy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: GrafSpee34@aol.com Subject: Origin of British Term "E-Boat" Quoting Dr. Hummelchen (the relevant bits) ".... it appears more likely that the 'E' has some technical connotation applicable to this particular boat and which may have been a term of reference common to contemporary British power-boat builders. Just as the British had their specialist speed boat yards, the then leading German yard was Luerssen. Between the wars, with the support of the German Navy, Luerssen perfected and introduced into their boats several important new features. One of these was known as the 'Luerrsen Effekt'. Might not the E of the British E-Boat term have originated with the British power-boat specialists, referring specifically to this "Effekt"? The basis of this technical new feature lay in the boat's rudder arrangement. Each boat had three propellors, one main and two side aerofoil-shaped rudders. The so called 'Effekt' was achieved only at high speeds... [The] important effects were: the revolutions were reduced slightly, propellor efficiency improved and maximum speed increased by about 1.5 knots... the stern trim of about 2.5 deg at maximum speed was eliminated so that the boat remained nearly horizontal.' End quote Naturally all that is assuming the Brits knew about this hydrodynamic effect, which may or may not have been published in the technical boat building journals of the period. Incidentally, the center propellor tip on E-boats was nestled into the rudder skeg. I don't know when this arragement was introduced but it is certainly there on the mid-war boats. Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: Plan source >> For scratchbuilding an excellent plan source is Reading Model Engineers, c/o Edward H. Wiswesser, 407 North 25th Street, Reading PA 19606. Sorry but I don't know if he has e-mail. His drawings are reasonably priced and mostly 32 ft to the inch but he does have other scales. If you write throw in a couple of stamps for postage and he will probably send you a catalog. << I hate to criticize anyone's work or product, but I feel I must speak up about this suggestion to use *ANY* Wiswesser plans. I would recommend not using these, as I have found most all to be grossly inaccurate. This is unfortunate, as this person has done an immense amount of work. I would only consult these drawings if none can be found thru Floating Drydock. Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Journal problems? Not really >> Regarding the IPMS Journal problem. This has been going on for years. I finally gave up. Too bad to hear that it is still happening. << Oh please! I have been taking the Journal ever since there has been a Journal and I have only heard of this collation problem occurring twice. Once last year, and once this year. It's not an IPMS problem (as you infer. If I'm wrong, I apologize), it's the printers problem. And as I said twice before, everyone who requested a replacement copy was sent one for no charge. I suppose you're correct if taken literally. It has happen for "years." Twice in two years. It has happened to almost every magazine I have ever subscribed to including FSM, PSM, as well as the New York Times, Washington Journal and probably every other newspaper in the country. Hey, **it happens. Especially in a business (such as the print media) when literally millions of pages must be printed and collated in the proper order. As long as the mag. is willing to replace the defective copy, I have no problem with occasional collation problems. Machines do make mistakes. Just take a look at the headlines in any newspaper as of late. Rusty White Flagship Models - Photo Etched Details for Warships http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ We now accept Visa & MasterCard world wide via Pay Pal "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Arliegh Burke second choice >> Wow, a unanimous vote for Blue Water Navy's kit. I looked at the web page, and am definately impressed with the model - It is exactly what I would love to have. Unfortuantely, I am a little leary about sinking $200 on my first naval project. Any recomendations on a cheaper (plastic, I assume) kit? << I don't think there are any second choices in any scale for an FLT 2. The current Skywave release is an FLT 1 version unless they finally released the FLT 2 lately. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong. Even if the BWN Churchill is a little high, it's worth the money. The only difficult part to build is the mast (over 80 parts)! Rusty White Flagship Models - Photo Etched Details for Warships http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ We now accept Visa & MasterCard world wide via Pay Pal "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: Honorary Citizenship was Trivia Craig R Bennett wrote >> There are other ships named for ho[nor]ary citizens. Such as the USS Harold Holt FF-1074. There was also the USS Lafayette SSBN-616, USS Tecumesh SSBN-628,USS Von Steubon SSBN-632,USS Simon Bolivar SSBN-641, and the USS Kamehameha SSBN-642. << Was citizenship ever conferred on the Marquis de Lafayette? I know that he returned to Europe in 1781 after the Revolutionary War where he became the commander of France's Eastern Army. Later, he partipated in Napoleon's reign before dying in 1834. Von Steuben became a citizen of the US in 1783 following his retirement from the Revolutionary Army. He lived in New York City until his death in 1794. Another European military "advisor" to the US Revolutionary Army was Count Casmir Pulaski for whom the SSBN-633 was named. Was citizenship ever conferred on Bolivar. He never came to the US, rather he was honored for what he did in gaining independence in South America? As far as Tecumseh and Kamehameha, these were Native American chiefs. Tecumseh died in 1813 and I'm sure that he wasn't alive at the time of the enfranchisement of the Native Americans? I know that Kamehamea was not alive at the time of the Hawaiian statehood. Was honorary citizenship conferred posthumously? What is the story of Holt? There is no DANFS entry at Haze Gray & Underway. If I remember back to when Congress conferred citizenship on Churchill, I thought that he was honored with full citizenship. I seem to remember something that he had all the rights and benefits of the United States and that few, if any, had such dual citizenship rights. Ed Mansfield, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "FCR" Subject: Grumman Duck Instructions Hello list First of all: Please don't hit me!!! I know that this isn't one model with hull and turrets but were it goes... Not long ago that I started to enjoy seaplanes (not those little things at 1/700, I already have built many) and I have one of these Airfix Grumman Ducks at 1/72 but unfortunately I lost the instructions sheets. PLEASE, there is anyone that can scan them for me or tell me were I can find them??? Regards Filipe C. Ramires Lisboa, PORTUGAL P.S.: This doesn't means that I stop to build ships... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "Phil M. Gollin" Subject: An un-necessary reply In response to Ned Barnet's rather ill considered reply to my posting regarding the "Battle of Britain" segment of the Pearl Harbor movie, I shall try to explain in simple language. The "we" in my message was meant to the SMML list members, people whose concern was with ships and ship models (and their accuracy). The reasons the Polish and British will be very upset with the movie is (as with U-571) that this will be seen as "cultural imperialism" whereby the USA is using its propaganda machine to subvert an important part of history so that "they won the war", witness to many earlier WW2 movies, most famously "Battle in Burma". To take a simple comparison, if someone wrote a film/book/movie whereby the Battle of Midway was won by the interception and de-coding of Japanese coded messages by the British at Bletchley Park, or if the Australians raised the Australian Flag on the mountain-top at Iwo Jima (both times) then maybe Mr. Barnet can see the point. The meaningless tirade about the sources of history (with the typical mis-informed jibe at Monty, which shows the correspondent doesn't know his European Theatre military history) shows a lack of overall judgement and lack of understanding of history as an academic subject. Anyway, I now look forward to his book on the Marine Aviator "every-man", who I fully expect to be a good communist Russian who had already taught the marine corps how to fight and designed tanks and aircraft back in the States before enlisting to show how it was done. Despairingly, Phil -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: John Philip Downing Subject: Re: Nostalgic Plastic Store >> I have done business with this group and I found them to be honest and most helpful. I recommend them highly. I will certainly do business with them again. << I second that. I have also sold them some of my excess models. They still have a 1/730 French navy Arromanches carrier that I once owned, for those into really weird stuff. John Downing -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: Dave Swindell Subject: Intend to remain on the surface..... Found an amusing little bit in the back of this months Aeroplane Monthly, allegedly a true story from a destroyer captain with PQ17, regarding an incident just after the order to disperse as they were about to be attacked by Tirpitz came through. A submarine was with the escort at the time, tasked with diving to torpedo any enemy target. As they prepared to confront Tirpitz the submarine's captain signalled his battle plan to the Escort Commander, ending with the words "I intend to remain on the surface as long as possible" Moments later the Admiral replied "so do I" Dave Swindell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: The Two Zhong Shans RhinoBones@aol.com wrote - >> Earlier this week there was a question about the T&V 1:150 version of the Zhong Shan. << I've finally gotten a peek at this one. Pretty nice in several respects. The hull looks good aside from a few overscale rivets that can be easily removed. The deck is planked from stem to stern, and nicely done, too. 1/150 scale sounds reasonable, though none of these kits from China actually state what scale they're supposed to be! >> The Zhong Shan that I do happen to own is a 1:180 "motorized" kit made by Zhengdefu, kit number DF029. << The Zhengdefu kit, at 1/180 scale, looks a lot cruder in most respects. However, some of the parts are more detailed than those in the T&V kit. The boat davits, ventilators, and guns all seem to be a lot more realistic than the T&V versions. For example, the T&V model provides two guns that appear to be set in solid gun mounts/turrets, rather than being shielded weapons open in the back, as they are in the Zhengdefu kit. The secondary T&V weapons look simply like Bren guns stuck on pedestals, not at all like the Zhengdefu guns. The T&V kit is also motorized. I think the ultimate solution here might be to get both models and "kit-bash" them. The finished product should be rather impressive. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Poole Gun Dan Jones noted - >> The 3" deck gun was a weapon called the Poole Gun - one of the more useless pieces of naval ordnance ever designed. The ITC molding shows its age (molded on hull numbers and heavy detailing) but is a fairly good kit for its day and has a lot of potential. << Having had an SC project in the works for a long while, I discovered there was an old Poole Gun tucked away in a corner of the Washington Navy Yard Museum, and got several photos of it on one of my visits. I hope it's still there whenever the museum renovations are complete. MWL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: Keith T Bender Subject: Door colours A note to the SMMLies who asked about what color to paint the inside of doors on a camouflage ship. This is late I know but I am now just getting some of my e mail. I looked through a book all in color and every door that is open is painted the same on the inside as it is on the outside. This may differ from ship to ship but it seams to be the logical thing. KTB -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Plan Sources Another one I've just found is called Sambrook: Sambrook Maritime Models 214 Ruxley Lane West Ewell Surrey KT19 9EZ U.K. They listed quite a few RN subjects on the web site but I've not actually seen any of them yet... Their e-mail is listed as sambrook@dial.pipex.com MWL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: milton ps Subject: Aussie Frigates Is the usual dark red replaced by black on the underside of HMAS Newcastle with a darker shade of black for the boottop? Also, could someone tell me which US ship is currently moored at Garden Island in Sydney? I jetted past on a Manly ferry on Sunday and could only make out that it wasn't a Perry or Anzac but I'm certain that it was American. Thanks, Bob Mac -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: HR - Superb Quality! Just received my order [ 20 & 40 mm guns and door hatches ] and I am very impressed with your quality. The merchandise is excellent and each separate order was individually packaged. In my opinion you have improved 1,000% over the order I sent and returned approximately one year ago. I am very proud of you and I will tell everyone who models that you are good, fast and accurate. Regards, John - Seattle -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31) From: "Ray Mehlberger" Subject: Nichimo's 1/200th scale U-boat, any good? I am new to this group. Perhaps this has been hashed over before. Need comments and views of what is thought of the Nichimo 1/200th scale Japanese I-Boat. Thanks in advance. Ray Mehlberger IPMS/USA #12269 (AMPS member also) Contributing Armor Editor for Internet Modeler Magazine http://www.internetmodeler.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 32) From: Dizzydismal@cs.com Subject: Re: ACW ship plans Al Ross Which U.S. Civil War ships are the plans for??????? Dennis Disbrow -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 33) From: MDDoremus@aol.com Subject: Sinkex 99? Folks, Last year or maybe this spring, there were links on SMML to a MPEG or AVI of a Korean torpedo blowing up an old destroyer. It was part of a multi-national trial, but the ship was sunk before everyone got to take a shot. Does anybody still have that address? Is it still out there somewhere? TIA Mark Doremus Eden Prairie, MN -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 34) From: MDDoremus@aol.com Subject: Hunley, a Different View No, I'm not reopening the debate about the TV show. I'm posting to the pic post an article out of the November 20, 2000, Design News (an American engineering trade journal). It's mostly an ad for who ever fitted up the lifting pads for the recovery. But, there are a couple of pictures and drawings that might be of interest. Mark Doremus Eden Prairie, MN I think that one of the cable channels will be running "Raise the Monitor" in the next week or so. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 35) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: More kits for 110' Sub Chasers At the risk of overkill (enough, already) about the WW1 110'ub Chasers, I have another query about kits. Here goes. Can any one please tell me about a pair of wood-hull kits for the WW1 110' Sub Chaser kits produced by Ideal Aeroplane and Supply Co. Inc. of N.Y.,N.Y.. I believe they were marketed in the Ideal-O-Craft Historic Ship Model series There were two sizes, one about 12" long, the other about 20" long. Judging from the spelling of "aeroplane", I am guessing they date back to the early 20s or so. This could be the forerunner of the ITC, or Ideal Toy Co. Interesting thought! Thanks for any information. Franklyn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 36) From: dhjonespsm@juno.com Subject: Re: Sub Chasers Fkbrown90@aol.com writes: >> Responding to D.H.Jones' comments about books for the WW1 Sub Chasers, I have read (but do not own, yet) the Mulholland book. I do believe the full title should be referenced as "The Splinter Fleet at the Otranto Barrage". << Technically this is correct and this is the way the book is listed on the inside title page. However, on the spine and on the front cover the book is just titled "The Splinter Fleet" and you will find used book dealers tend to list it both ways. To avoid confusing it with the new book of the same title, just remember the author - Ray Millholland. Daniel Jones Plastic Ship Modeler magazine -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 37) From: "Reynaga, Tim@EDD" Subject: Lindbergh PT-109 >> Is this Lindbergh 1/32nd Elco PT kit any good? What's needed to make it good - if prayer is involved, I need to know ... any insights? << Ned, The old Lindbergh PT-109 is an impressively big, readily available, and simple to assemble...toy. A LOT of work is what would be needed to make it a good model. A better option might be the Dumas 33 inch long Elco, which comes out to about 1/29 scale. It is more expensive but a better starting point for an accurate PT-109. However, if you're set on the Lindbergh 109, well, prayer might help... but in my view the only way that dog can be fully realized is through an encounter with a 1/32 Amagiri. Tim Reynaga -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 38) From: melee Subject: Re: Neptuns I am collecting the carrier forces( and escorts), both the Japanese and American, which fought at Midway. Neptun ships are beautiful, but expensive. Lee Shackelford -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "J.Pasquill" Subject: Invitation for New England US area ship modelers In the September 2002 the National Narrow Gauge Railroad Modelers Convention will be held in Providence, RI, USA. A model railroad module club that I am a member of will be displaying a series of 30 or more modules many of which represent seaports. We are looking for ship modelers that might be interested in building waterline ships and boats in anything close to 1/87 scale (up to about 1/100 and down to 1/76 is fine) for display on our modules. The era we model is from about 1900 to the pre-war forties with most depicting the twenties and thirties along the Maine Coast. We are seeking modelers that might enjoy displaying a waterline ship model surrounded by appropriate scenery on one of our modules or who might themselves want to "crossover" and do a little railroad modeling by building their own module with a simple pass through track and lots of waterfront area to display their own boats and ships on. Most of our modules have smaller dock areas so the boats would need to be from the size of a smaller (30" or less) 3-4 masted lumber or coal schooner down to friendship sloops and catboats. If you build a module yourself you could build it in any size needed to display your ship model. We can help with the standards needed for our track. Anybody out there need a reason to build an early small navy vessel, tramp steamer, or lightship tender? How about a Coast Guard picket boat that has just hauled in a rumrunner? You might come up with something really unique to write an article about. All this is being done for our own enjoyment. The convention is a non-profit event. If there is interest we might try to combine our interest in trains and ships at other public events too. Drop me a note if interested. Jim Pasquill -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume