Subject: SMML VOL 1085 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 03:38:34 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Old/odd kits 2: E-Boat-Luerrsen Effekt 3: Subchaser Kit 4: Help Needed Re Knox Director 5: BWN CHURCHILL 6: 1/96 Skirmisher 7: Nichimo 1/200 I-boat - German Sub Anti Fouling Paint 8: Re: Plan source 9: Trivia Ship-Namesake? 10: ICM HMS HOOD- Those of you interested in this kit please contact me ASAP 11: Re: Sinkex URL 12: IPMS Journal Problem (not) 13: Re: SS United States 14: To Ron's mommy from Santa 15: Honoring Veterans Stamp Slated for May 2001 Issue 16: Still among friends 17: Russian Planking 18: Pyro Allen M. Sumner Kit 19: Re: Nichimo's 1/200th scale U-boat, any good? 20: Thanks for E boat interpretation part 2 21: Re: ACW ship plans 22: History Channel Debut 23: Re: Woodcrafting tools 24: "Cultural imperialism" 25: Re: Hunley, a Different View 26: Nichimo 1/200 Japanese I-Boat 27: Re: SS United States 28: Re: Holt 29: New Book on USS Olympia (C-6, CL-15, IX-40) 30: Re: SS United States 31: IPMS/USA Quarterly experience 32: Thanks 33: Re: Modernized Russian battleships 34: Re: U-Boat colors 35: Re: Nichimo U-Boat 36: Re: Trivia 37: Re: russian planking 38: Enterprise green? 39: Sydney's visitors 40: Re: Term "E-Boat" 41: Ship Modelmaking Plans -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation 1: SMML/IPMS USS Hornet? 2: Washington DC area SMMLcon 2000 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Donald Bridge Subject: Old/odd kits Hi Guys Who made the 1/730 Arromanches? This is a kit I've never heard of. Is it as built or after the 57 or 68 refit? Are there any other modernish (post 60) 1/700 ish French kits about. For sources of old kits I used to go to a place in Lavender Hill, South London called Comet Miniatures. The shop is purely Sci-Fi and Television stuff, but the cellar was a goldmine of old kits. I haven't been there for a while but it might be worth giving them a ring to see if they are still there. I wouldn't ask them if they had a specific kit as they didn't seem to know exactly what they had in the cellar. As to the PHM discussion. History is a very malleable thing, we currently have 3 different versions of the conflict here and that was only 4-9 years ago. It does sometimes make you wonder though were Gildas, Livy and Tacitus writing a drama. Because who knows what will survive from this era for future historians, maybe the only thing will be PHM because of all those DVDs that will be about. Don Bridge Sarajevo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "denis keegan" Subject: E-Boat-Luerrsen Effekt An uncle of mine served with Peter Scott on short Vospers before PScott went on to command SGB Grey Goose, and he told me some years ago that the RN were VERY anxcious to capture an E Boat intact. They were aware that some kind of mechanism in the propulsion system was giving a higher than expected performance but had no detailed knowledge of the Device/system. I doubt therefore, that the E in E Boat could be ascribed to a description of this EFFEKT. When he died recently, his family threw out his old photos, including many taken at sea on the Vosper. This was just "some old junk of Dad's" How often has priceless treasure been discarded in this thoughtless way? Denis K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Rod Dauteuil Subject: Subchaser Kit This is my last post on the topic, I promise . . . This weekend I had the good fortune to obtain 2 (that's right, 2) of the Glencoe Subchaser kits, plus an extra hull. One is to build, and one is for the collection. Regarding the hull numbers, the instructions "claim" that these are supposed to be plywood, and consequently would be proper in their raised fashion. True or not, I don't care. I'm not going to remove them. The model is just fine with them. There are also the raised letters "AV" on the canvas-sheathed lookout posts on each side of the bridge. Those may get removed in favor of decals. Considering one was selling for $25.00 on Ebay, the $20.00 I paid for the whole works is quite reasonable. Rod -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Subject: Help Needed Re Knox Director Hi Everyone, I am searching for information in the form of a diagram or even a photograph of the BPDMS director, that the Knox class FFs had mounted on the hangar roof. These were fitted before the Phalanx conversions, and Knox apparently did not get converted. I would be most grateful if anyone could come up with something as the Navsource photo file does not give anythingt away on this item. It will also speed up the release of the WEM kit, which is awaiting this part. All the best Peter Hall WEM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: AandMBlevins@gateway.net Subject: BWN CHURCHILL Take a look at Model Expo. I believe they have a BWN CHURCHILL at a reduced price. Al Blevins -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Rod Dauteuil Subject: 1/96 Skirmisher >> A rather unique ship has appeared on e-Bay. Placed for auction is a 1/96 British scout cruiser from the early turn of the century period. << A fellow SMMLie is auctioning off this model, as announced in V.1083. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: GrafSpee34@aol.com Subject: Nichimo 1/200 I-boat - German Sub Anti Fouling Paint The Nichimo submarine is a great kit well worth the retail price. The deck gun and aircraft need details. I vac formed a canopy for the plane, which is an easy improvement that makes a big difference. My hull was warped when I got it, and needed to be braced inside. The Nichimo type IX kits are nice as well. For the below-waterline portion of the hull, I would use a dark grey. Some KM submarines did have a reddish brown color anti-fouling paint, most had the grey. I am unclear as to the reason for this. The dark grey color was also used on German U-Boats of WWI. I think the USN also used this scheme. Would anyone know the different properties of grey vs red anti-fouling and why one might be preferred over the other? Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: drwells@hogpb.mt.att.com (David R Wells) Subject: Re: Plan source Someone wrote: >> For scratchbuilding an excellent plan source is Reading Model Engineers, c/o Edward H. Wiswesser, 407 North 25th Street, Reading PA 19606. Sorry but I don't know if he has e-mail. His drawings are reasonably priced and mostly 32 ft to the inch but he does have other scales. If you write throw in a couple of stamps for postage and he will probably send you a catalog. << Then SteveWiper@aol.com wrote: >> I hate to criticize anyone's work or product, but I feel I must speak up about this suggestion to use *ANY* Wiswesser plans. I would recommend not using these, as I have found most all to be grossly inaccurate. This is unfortunate, as this person has done an immense amount of work. I would only consult these drawings if none can be found thru Floating Drydock. << I have a slightly different view of Mr. Wiswesser's plans: they're interesting, somewhat informed speculation. Two examples: 1) His infamous "1948" Montana class plans. It's true that the US Navy never really planned this 950' 250,000 SHP monster with 3"/l70 AA guns, however, it does reflect the thinking of the time. Keep in mind that the USN considered increasing the speed of the North Carolina and South Dakota classes around that time, (those plans were quickly abandoned as hopelessly impractical.) I would say therefore that it's not completely unreasonable to speculate that the USN might have considered a faster Montana. I did some measurements of the plans in Dulin and Garzke, and the engine spaces for the Montana class were clearly large enough to take the Iowa's 212,000 SHP engines, so it's imaginable that higher pressure boilers might have made a 250,000 SHP Montana a possibility. 2) His Lexington Battlecruiser plans. These show a 1926 version, with catapults on the quarterdeck. Once again, no "real" USN plan I've ever seen shows these, however, once again, it kind of shows the thinking of the time. As long as one does not take Mr. Wiswessers plans too seriously, they are kind of interesting. One should not, however, regard them as authentic historical documents. BTW: I've heard from other sources that Mr. Wiswesser once worked at Philadelphia Naval Shipyard. This to me suggests that his speculations were not completely uninformed. David R. Wells "There seems to be something wrong | David R. Wells with our bloody ships today" | AT&T Middletown, NJ Adm. D. Beatty, May 31, 1916 | http://home.att.net/~WellsBrothers/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Trivia Ship-Namesake? >> As it seems to be trivia season I thought I'd chime in with one This hero had 3 different ships named after him, each from a different country. However, only one country had the right to use the name, the others just borrowed it. Who was he and which ships were named after him? For an extra point can anyone name another two ships which were named after his most famous collaborator and one of his most famous victories << I'm wildly guessing Simon Bolivar, but since his collaborator wasn't Che Guevara, I'm stumped ... Ned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Frank Allen Subject: ICM HMS HOOD- Those of you interested in this kit please contact me ASAP Hello Everyone, Frank Allen of the HMS Hood Association's "Battle Cruiser Hood" website here. I've been asked by representatives of ICM to help them out a bit in their efforts regarding the upcoming 1/350 scale Hood model kit. ICM have been bombarded with e-mails regarding this particular kit. So many in fact, that nearly all now go unanswered. The main offices simply do not have the resources to answer everyone. Therefore, we have been asked to help out a bit: All who are even remotely interested in this kit are asked to please contact me at allenfw2@yahoo.com . I can put you directly in touch with ICM personnel who can/will answer your questions and may (I say "MAY"...this is not guranateed) be able to help you purchase a copy without too long of a wait). At least it will help them more accurately gauge how many to initially produce. No responses to this here on SMML please...simply e-mail me off line at allenfw2@yahoo.com Frank http://hmshood.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: tom Subject: Re: Sinkex URL >> Last year or maybe this spring, there were links on SMML to a MPEG or AVI of a Korean torpedo blowing up an old destroyer. It was part of a multi-national trial, but the ship was sunk before everyone got to take a shot. Does anybody still have that address? Is it still out there somewhere? << Try the following... http://www.navy.gov.au/3_photo/sinkexvid.htm Tom K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Ned Barnett Subject: IPMS Journal Problem (not) >> Regarding the IPMS Journal problem. This has been going on for years. I finally gave up. Too bad to hear that it is still happening. << As a former IPMS editor (in the pre-Journal days, I edited the IPMS Quarterly), and as a J-School graduate (Journalism) and sometimes professional editor of trade/technical journals (South Carolina Economic Trends and similar thrill-packed titles) I can absolutely assure you that this is a printer glitch - and a human error that proves that (ahem) happens, even in the modeling world. Magazines are printed on several large sheets of paper. Each large sheet is folded into 4, 8, 16 or 32-page sections which are called signatures. The signatures are then assembled, trimmed (turning one sheet into several) and bound (stapled in this case). If a printer screws up and inserts the wrong signature, this will create duplicated pages and missing pages. Since the printer delivers the magazine to the distribution center, the editor has no opportunity (nor would sanity permit, even if the opportunity is there) to go through each page of each copy to make sure all is right. Knowing this, IPMS has an excellent correction policy - I'm long since out of that game, so I'm not saying this defensively - but they do better than many commercial magazines in make-goods when unfortunate printer errors occur. That's reality. That's printing. Don't shoot the messenger. Ned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: raisingirl@mindspring.com Subject: Re: SS United States hello all.... Robert J. Bartolacci wrote: >> I remember reading an article in perhaps Sea Classics a while back (several years) describing how the SS United States was being sold to a Turkish consortium...Lately I have been reading in SMML that she is still here in the U.S. Can anyone fill me in on what has been / is happening with the SS United States? My curiosity is stirred up... << Okay, maybe it's time for me to take responsibility for my own actions here...if it's a two-part article from the September and October 1993 issues of SC, I wrote it (it was my first published work, and I apologize profusely for it). Basically, what happened in the ensuing years (and I'm working from memory here) is that the Big U sat in Istanbul for several months, then was towed to Sevastopol (!) for asbestos removal. Then she was towed back to Istanbul, where she sat...and sat...and sat. The majority owner, who had bought the ship on speculation, was about to cut his losses (although several deals had been discussed for the ship's operation, none came to pass) and sell the ship for scrapping, and indeed certain parts had already been scrapped (most notably all the boats and davits). An investor from Philadelphia who knew the owners intervened, and in 1996 the ship was towed to the US. The deal for the pier was being worked out as the ship was coming back -- it was between Philadelphia and another city -- and just as the ship was approaching the US did word come to take her to Philadelphia. So the Big U came back, and basically she's sat in Philadelphia since mid-1996. The good news is that she's more or less structurally intact, but the bad news is that no matter what happens, it's gonna take a LOT of work to bring her up to any kind of acceptable standard. Even more sickening is that up until 1984, the Big U was like a time capsule -- even the vacuum cleaners were neatly lined up for inventory, just as in November 1969 -- and then Richard Hadley had almost everything on the ship auctioned off to pay off mounting debts (which ultimately cost Hadley ownership of the vessel). I have my own opinions about the ship's various owners, but those fall outside the scope (and permitted language) of this list.... :) Incidentally, there's a story behind the story regarding that article, namely that it was...well, a long and involved process to get Sea Classics to pay me for printing my article (and to return my material, most of which was never returned despite its agreement to). I don't want to go too far in discussing this, as it may soon be a major motion picture (oooh, I hope they hire Janeane Garofalo to play me, although she'd have to stand on several Miami telephone directories to do so....) :) Oh, and thanks to the guy (sorry, I can't go back and reference the list in this web-based e-mail program I use at work) who posted the update on the Naval Historical Center site. What a wonderful way to kill a lunch hour! Thanks! jodie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: To Ron's mommy from Santa >> I must say Santa, that I was dissapointed in your attitude about my little boys wish list. I have had to sedate him with Prozac and now he sits in front of the fireplace muttering something about settling for an ICM Hood or Tamiya Essex under his tree. << I must say you modelers mommies are almost as funny as the modelers!!! An ICM Hood by Christmas???? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, oh, I'm getting a hernia! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Those guys will get shovel of coal down their pants! They give out more release dates than the California prison system!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! A Tamiya Essex????? HAHAHAHAHAHA oh, I just wet myself!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You guys just kill me!!!! Ahem. With dignity (snicker), Santa -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Bruce" Subject: Honoring Veterans Stamp Slated for May 2001 Issue Shane This should be passed along to all Veterans, at least the older SMML members, that bring good thing's to the table, when they speak, as well as those downunder, the whole sheet of stamp will cost $10.00 to $12.00 dollars over sea's $6.00 to $8.00 in the US post offices, Framed sheets, will always cost more, for stamps collectors in the UK its 10 to 30 pounds thanks Bruce >> WASHINGTON, -- The U.S. Postal Service recently unveiled a new commemorative first-class postage stamp entitled "Honoring Veterans" that is scheduled to be issued here in May 2001. "The 'Honoring Veterans' stamp reminds us of the thousands of Americans, who have fought to keep our country free," said Deborah K. Willhite, the Postal Service's senior vice president for government relations and public policy, who unveiled the stamp. "It will serve as a 'thank you' to those who continue to serve as members of veterans service organizations." She said many veterans organizations aid veterans and their families, including assistance with benefit applications, transportation to Veterans Affairs medical facilities and burial and memorial services. The present population of U.S. veterans is estimated to be nearly 25 million, Willhite noted. Designed by Carl Herrman of Carlsbad, Calif., the stamp features a photograph of the American flag. The flag symbolizes veterans' patriotic service to the nation in peace and war. The phrase "Honoring Veterans" is at the top of the stamp, and the phrase "Continuing to Serve" appears at the bottom. The new stamp and other currently available philatelic items can be viewed and ordered at the Postal Service Web site at http://www.usps.com >www.usps.com They also can be ordered by calling toll-free 1 800 STAMP-24. << -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Still among friends >> First of all: Please don't hit me!!! I know that this isn't one model with hull and turrets << Hey, it IS Navy anyway. I build naval aircraft all the time. They go well with my ship collection. Navy aircraft are as different from Air Force birds as night and day because of their requirement to land on AC carriers. So don't be embarrassed because you build naval A/C. You're still among friends here. Rusty White Flagship Models - Photo Etched Details for Warships http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ We now accept Visa & MasterCard world wide via Pay Pal "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Pletscher-Lenz-Schneider" Subject: Russian Planking Some photos of MARAT taken in the 1930s clearly show that the deck planking was still layed in sections. As for the paint, it was gray. Sorry, this is not very much information. But I don't think that there was much standardizing in the 1920s and early 1930s and they took whatever paint they could get. There seemingly still were no standards with the Russian fleets in the 1980s. The Baltic Fleet used blueish grays as well as greenish tones even between ships of the same squadron. Falk Pletscher -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Matthew Prager" Subject: Pyro Allen M. Sumner Kit A quick question about an old kit. I was looking at an old Pyro destroyer kit of the ALLEN M. SUMNER. It definitely isn't a Sumner class destroyer, it looks more like a Benson/Gleaves class. It is a fairly crude representation (typical of the period in which it was made) and the superstructure if wrong although the hull appears close to the right line for a Benson. Anyone out there built this one before or have any info/comments on it? It looks like it might be about 1/400 scale. Matt Prager -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Tom Detweiler Subject: Re: Nichimo's 1/200th scale U-boat, any good? >> I am new to this group. Perhaps this has been hashed over before. Need comments and views of what is thought of the Nichimo 1/200th scale Japanese I-Boat. << HI Ray, welcome to the group- I too, have the Nichimo type IX U-boat kit, minus the motor. I seem to remember some disparaging comments about the accuracy of this kit, but I have taken mine out of the box and the casting is very clean and it matches quite well the pictures in my Schiffer reference books. One interesting feature is the separate casting of the lower hull in the Red Lead color. I think it will make a nice model with some work, And sure beats the little Heller 1/400 Uboat "blob-o-plastic/tub toy". Tom in Rocklin, CA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Friedrich Kappes Subject: Thanks for E boat interpretation part 2 I also thank Dave (GrafSpee34@aol.com), of course. I wish all of you a nice december, 6th!!! Friedrich The FriedrichFiles http://sites.netscape.net/friedkappes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: ALROSS2@aol.com Subject: Re: ACW ship plans >> Which U.S. Civil War ships are the plans for??????? << The Smithsonian Collection of Warship Plans catalog lists a variety of ACW ship plans, among them: CAIRO class gunboats CSS ALBEMARLE CSS ARKANSAS CANONICUS, CASCO, & PASSAIC class monitors USS HARTFORD CSS NEUSE USS NEW HAMPSHIRE CSS TENNESSEE plus a number of CSN Brooke and Blakley rifles. Al Ross -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: Ned Barnett Subject: History Channel Debut I just got confirmation that on December 12 at 10 p.m. PST, the History Channel will be airing a new episode of Modern Marvels in which I was interviewed as something of an expert on WW-II military technology and how it was translated into civilian usage. That was great fun for me, and I invite one and all to tune in and share the fun. All the best Ned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: ALROSS2@aol.com Subject: Re: Woodcrafting tools >> As a close relatvie has turned from the plastic towards wood as preferred material for modelbuilding, and this at the same time as X-mas is approaching, the conclusion must be to as a x-mas gift provide him with proper tools. << Initially, you don't need a lot of specialized wood-working tools, especially if your relative is going to build kits. I build full-time (mostly scratch-built custom warships) and my most-used tools are: #11 X-acto pin vise w/drill bits fine-toothed razor saw pointed tweezers needle-nosed pliers nippers needle files #5 sweep gouge air brush w/compressor disk/belt sander bandsaw Al Ross -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: "Jens H. Brandal" Subject: "Cultural imperialism" >> To take a simple comparison, if someone wrote a film/book/movie whereby the Battle of Midway was won by the interception and de-coding of Japanese coded messages by the British at Bletchley Park, or if the Australians raised the Australian Flag on the mountain-top at Iwo Jima (both times) then maybe Mr. Barnet can see the point. << Interesting point... I do agree that the purpose of films is to make money by entertaining as many people as possible rather than document history. "History is the version of the past that people has agreed upon" or something along those lines as Napoleon once put it. Having said that, the products of US movie industry reach an audience not only in the US, but world wide, and well made films like "Saving Private Ryan" may plant an impression of "that was exactly the way it was" in young and impressionable people. No, I didn't see U-571, and won't be bothered seeing Pearl Harbor. Having said that, truth is more often stranger than fiction, so why can't it be possible to make good movies based on fact and actual events instead of using real life events as a backdrop for yet another love story? Jens -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Hunley, a Different View >> No, I'm not reopening the debate about the TV show. I'm posting to the pic post an article out of the November 20, 2000, Design News (an American engineering trade journal). It's mostly an ad for who ever fitted up the lifting pads for the recovery. But, there are a couple of pictures and drawings that might be of interest. << HI Mark: Where did you post the pictures, there was no URL in your message. BTW the show on the efforts to salvage the monitor ran already Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: "Reynaga, Tim@EDD" Subject: Nichimo 1/200 Japanese I-Boat >> I am new to this group. Perhaps this has been hashed over before. Need comments and views of what is thought of the Nichimo 1/200th scale Japanese I-Boat. << If you have been contemplating building the Nichimo 1/200 I-19, I strongly encourage you to go for it! It is an exceptional kit, very accurate and packed with detail. The guns, binoculars, periscopes, and other fittings are uniformly excellent. The E14Y "Glen" floatplane is a little kit in itself. I believe the kit was designed by Tsunehire Mori (of the superb Grand Prix Shuppan Mechanism of Japanese Warships series of books) back in the Seventies. Some of his technical drawings appear on the instruction sheet-great reference for the project. You can build a very attractive replica from it right out of the box. In my opinion it is the best of their 1/200 series. That said, it is not without its shortcomings. For one thing, the fit is not very good. That's a shame, since you must obliterate a good deal of hull detail if you want to correctly mate the upper and lower halves. (I suppose you could waterline it.) Also, the detail is mostly of the raised variety. Designed for motorized running, the auxiliary rudder and dive planes are punched from sheet brass, so they lack the proper hydrodynamic section...but they are easily replaced with appropriately shaped sheet plastic. My only other nitpick would be the deck planking detail, which is a little faint. If I were to build it again I'd probably replace those decks with scribed sheet. All in all, though (especially considering its age), it is one of the better plastic ship kits around. Tim Reynaga -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: Craig R Bennett Subject: Re: SS United States Hi Bob Concerning your request about the SS United States. Essentially she was in Turkey and the deal to make her into a hotel fell though and she was towed to Russia for scrapping and then to Turkey again for scrapping. After this an American business man bought the SS United States and she was brought into Philadelphia with intention of being made into operational liner. With the work being done at the Philadelphia Navy Yard. At the time the yard had just closed and the city was desparte to make some thing of the yard as it provided a lot of tax revenue. The Cruise Industries weren't interested in the SS United States. So she's moored at pier as she is now but she has recieved national monument status and is owned by small group of people who hope to still make something of her. Hope this is of use for you. Craig Bennett -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: Craig R Bennett Subject: Re: Holt Hi Ed My understanding of the Holt FF-1074 is she was named for a Australian Prime Minister. If they (USN) named a ship after them it made have been for political reasons but since it was done that is an honor to individuals they are named after. Craig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: "Kevin W. Woodruff" Subject: New Book on USS Olympia (C-6, CL-15, IX-40) SMML: I just received the book by B. F. Cooling on the protected cruiser USS Olympia (C-6, later CL-15 , and IX-40) called _USS Olympia: Herald of Empire_. For anyone who would like to know about the last survivor of the Spanish-American War and the fight that was made to preserve her at Penn's Landing in Philadelphia, it is a good purchase. It is 277 pages. It covers the complete story of the ship from her construction at the Union Ironworks in San Francisco to her eventual preservation in Philadelphia. It has some interesting photos that may be of use to those who model the Revell kit. Published by Naval Institute Press with a 2000 copyright The ISBN is 1-55750-148-3 Kevin W. Woodruff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) From: Keith T Bender Subject: Re: SS United States SS United States has been in Philadelphia since 8/21/96. She looks just as sad as she did the day she left Newport News, VA when on her way to Turkey for a major face lift. The ships interior has been gutted of all compartments. The engineering spaces are still in tack. Her lifeboat davits and boats have been removed and cut up. The king post are still up but the loading booms have also been cut up in small pieces and just thrown about the deck. Her props have been removed and are mounted on the after decks. The spare set of props are at different locations. Kings Point in NY has one four blade, The Intrepid has the other four bladed one and the Mariners' Museum has a five bladed one. I'm not sure about the second five bladed prop. The SS US was towed back from Turkey in July 96. They removed her in a hurry because the Turks were cutting her up. She left Turkey without a new home here in the states. It cost $36,000.00 per day for towing and the tug Smit New York did the honors of bringing her home. Once she was 100 miles from shores the owners still did not have a home because not many ports wanted her. After all she sat in VA for 22 years and became a rusting eye sore. I had the opportunity to go aboard when she first arrived her in "96". What a sad sight. As for now the only talk I here is that the new owners want to make a hotel out of her. I been hearing stories for four years now and none of them has happened, yet. I'll believe any of them when I see action but for now she just sits and gets older and a little more rusty. KTB PS, beware if you try to get in the terminal to get up close. There are some real nasty security guards there who are very rude but I won't go into details. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31) From: BSteinIPMS@aol.com Subject: IPMS/USA Quarterly experience I've just received my latest IPMS/USA Quarterly and all was fine within. (Especially Rusty White's GATO class fleet submarine build article. Attyboy, Rusty!) While defective magazines can happen in any run of any publication, I've never had any printing problems with any IPMS/USA Quarterly or Update, or IPMS/UK magazine in the 32 years I've been a member of IPMS. Just one observation, mind. Bob Steinbrunn Minneapolis IPMS/USA #3345 'since 1968. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 32) From: "Dan Bostwick" Subject: Thanks Thanks for the tips on medeling in general, and the Burke in particular-time to get to work! Now where did I leave that x-acto knife.... Dan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 33) From: Bob Zobal Subject: Re: Modernized Russian battleships Sorry, can't help with the planking question, but just to put my two cents in, I'm also a fan of some of the more outlandish art deco styling of WW1 battleships modernized in the late '20's and '30's--the trunked funnels used by the Soviets and Germans, the "pagoda" bridge structures used by the Japanese, the streamlining of the Italian designs. . . so much more visually interesting and distinctive than the functional silhouettes they were originally constructed with. And say what you like about the uselessness of two flight decks on an aircraft carrier, the original designs for Furious, Akagi, etc. sure looked more rakish than the way they entered WW2. Anyone have a candidate for the coolest/wackiest/silliest modernization of the Washington Treaty period? Some Soviet cruisers were radically reworked as well. . . Bob -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 34) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: U-Boat colors >> could some of you recommend the colors for the hull of Type XXI, Type IXB and Type VIIC U-Boot? I was thinking of using Humbrol M79 for the lower part of the hull of Type IX and VII, but I've also seen drawings which show the use of rusty red there. And for what concerns the upper part, any suggestions about which grey I should use? << Subject of a huge debate & research project in the SubCommittee. Problem is that almost all the pictures of wartime U-boats are B&W! Conclusion was that there is no evidence that a red antifoul was used below the waterline. Light gray above the waterline and darker gray below is the standard used. During wartime, the paint was mixed without a great deal of careful color matching (this is true of US submarines, also). Add to that the weathering effects, and light & dark gray can be interpreted relatively liberally. Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 35) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Nichimo U-Boat >> I am new to this group. Perhaps this has been hashed over before. Need comments and views of what is thought of the Nichimo 1/200th scale Japanese I-Boat. Thanks in advance. << A little confused, as your title said U-boat, whereas your post is about Japanese submarines. I have a Nichimo U-boat (Type IX-B) and it is very high quality styrene casting, almost bordering on resin casting in detail. A little attention to details, and this can be built into a first rate kit. I would assume that the I-boat is of similar quality..... Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 36) From: isublett@home.com Subject: Re: Trivia Chris: Eugene of Savoy? I can't think of the third ship: German, Italian,and (Austrian? must be if one country had a right to him). The rest is Marlborough and Ramillies. Pirie Sublett -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 37) From: Gmshoda@cs.com Subject: Re: russian planking Regarding Pieter Cornelissen's inquiry about Gangut class decking. He makes an interesting observation that the class may have had sectional decking instead of the normal wooden deck planking that runs fore and aft. As I have a copy of the Japanese publication "History of Russian / Soviet Battleships," which does have a few partial overhead views of these ships, I immediately ran to check this out. I have made two not very detailed models of the Petropavlovsk in the past, all the while blissfully unaware that it may have had unconventional decking. My last version included deck planking that runs fore and aft. Page 91 shows the Gangut in 1929 post modernization. It is an overhead view of the bow and turret #1 (which sports three antiaircraft guns). The deck appears to be sectional with vivid lines running from beam to beam. Page 92 shows the Sevastopol in 1921 (probably premodernization). It is a low level overhead shot of the bow and turret #1. The deck appears to be composed of normal deck planking laid in a fore and aft direction. Page 90 shows Parizkaya Kommuna in 1931. The photo is of the top of turret number 1 and the bow. Deck planking appears to be running fore and aft. Page 96 shows Parizkaya Kommuna (probably in 1920) midships. Strangely enough, the deck planking appears to be sectional here with prominent lines running from beam to beam. Can't make out what is going on here other than Mr. Cornelissen has unwittingly pointed out yet another defect in my model. Very interesting.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 38) From: "Ken P LeMaster" Subject: Enterprise green? I have a question for the group. The Otaki Enterprise shows a black green color for the lower hull in the painting instructions. My copy of Warship Profile for the Enterprise also shows green on the color painting in the center of the magazine. My question is, did Enterprise have a dark green anti-foul paint under the waterline, or did someone not do their homework? Comments please. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 39) From: "M & R Brown" Subject: Sydney's visitors In town are/were Higgins, Hewitt and Milleus (?) DDG69. Another was down at Port Kembla. All on their way to the Gulf for Xmas. Michael Brown -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 40) From: Minadmiral@aol.com Subject: Re: Term "E-Boat" Hi; I just recieved a copy of _Champagne Navy_, by Brian Nolan and Brian Jeffrey Street. On page ix ( first page of the introduction) it states that E-Boat is "a shortened version of 'Enemy War Boat' ". This is an interesting book about Canadian small craft crew in WWII. Chuck Duggie WoodenWalls Listmeister Naval wargamer, amateur naval historian, and ship modeler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 41) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Ship Modelmaking Plans Ref the thread on obtaining ship modeling plans: Don't forget fellow SMMLie John Lambert and his nicely drafted plan sets showing mostly Royal Navy ships from destroyer size on down. They're drawn from official plans and extensively researched. His catalogs of plans and weapons drawings are available by writing: John Lambert Plans, 24 Chiltern Close, Ampthill, Bedford, MK45 2QA, United Kingdom. e-mail is lamkeel@networld.com. Regards, Victor M. Baca Model Ship Journal -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Ned Barnett Subject: SMML/IPMS USS Hornet? I'll be in Alameda Friday; is there a meeting? If so, when? Please advise. Thanks -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: maeisen@erols.com Subject: Washington DC area SMMLcon 2000 Folks: The Washington DC area SMMLcon will be held on this Sunday, December 10, from 1-3 pm, at Nostalgic Plastic, a hobby shop in Silver Spring, Maryland. If at all possible, please bring a built-up ship model (or one that is under construction) and maybe some books or publications that you have found to be helpful or interesting, for "show and tell." If this is not possible, come anyhow! Nostalgic Plastic is located at 2425 Linden Lane, Silver Spring, Maryland. It is about 5 minutes south of the DC beltway. To get there, take the DC Beltway (I-495) to Silver Spring, and exit at Georgia Avenue SOUTH. Merge onto Georgia Avenue, continue south for less than a minute, pass the stop light at Seminary Place, continue straigh another hundred feet or so, then turn right at the second light (i.e. the next light) onto Seminary Road (do not be confused by the sign for Dale Drive; the second light is indeed Seminary Road). Go down Seminary Road a minute or so, and continue straight onto Linden Lane when Seminary Road veers off to the left at the elementary school. Continue down Linden Lane a minute or so more until you get to the strip mall on the right, and pull into the parking lot there. Nostalgic Plastic is located at 2425 Linden Lane, and Nostalgic Plastic Automotive, where we will be meeting, is located at 2417 Linden Lane. If you find yourself going over an overpass and at the Walter Reade Army Medical Clinic Annex, you've gone too far by a few hundred feet. If you get lost, you can call the store at (301) 565-0565, and they should be able to help you with directions. I look forward to seeing all you SMMLies this Sunday! Yours truly, Michael Eisenstadt -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume