Subject: SMML Vol 1114 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 20:31:29 -0800 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Welcome Back 2: Japanese tenderīs aircraft 3: Tom's "beginners question 4: Beginners Question 5: Carrier booms 6: Re: Beginner's Question 7: portholes 8: Which brand of white paint is best? 9: Virginia class names (US political commentary included) 10: Re: Old Kits 11: Charles de Gaulle Propellers 12: All Hands - June 2000 - Into the Deep/Dive Suit 13: Beginner's Question 14: Hasegawa Light Crusiers 15: Virginia Class SSN 16: Re: Combat Fleets of the World 1998-1999 17: Aging sailors reach Bahamas 18: Re: Beginner's Question -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: RN Camouflage Volume II -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Mike Settle Subject: Welcome Back >> Well we're back. As some wag put it - the Millenium Bug hit when it was supposed to ;-) << Glad to see you back up and running in minimal time. Special thank yous to Bob Pearson and Felix Bustelo who performed yeoman service getting the word out. Shane, I have all the SMMLs from 27 Aug 1998 saved if you want me to do some e-mail harvesting for you. Mike Settle I am not agent #1908 of the non-existent Lumber Cartel (tinlc)tm Hi all, Yes a very special thank you to Bob, Felix, Ed Grune & Mike Dunn (plus any others I may have missed) who got the word out ;-). Also thank you to all the people who took the time to write in whilst SMML was down offering help & for all your kind words. Responses like that that make doing SMML worthwhile & special. As for backissues, Mike is sending me all the issues from the site, so thanks, but that's ok now - one less worry ;-) Regards, Shane & Lorna - back from crawling all over HMAS Vampire & the Bativia replica with a camera ;-)). Plus signing up for membership at the Australian Maritime Museum at long last ;-). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Friedrich Kappes Subject: Japanese tenderīs aircraft I search for the aircraft (type, further info) that served aboard the Japanese tender Chogai = Chogei = Tyogei of 1923. Who can help me? Sincerely Friedrich The FriedrichFiles http://sites.netscape.net/friedkappes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Ed Grune Subject: Tom's "beginners question Tom was asking about the structure on the front of some open ship's bridges. The structure to which you refer is often called a venturi or wind screen. Using the Venturi Effect, wind striking the front of the exposed bridge will be sucked up and over the bridge giving some protection to bridge personnel from wind and spray. If you will look at the exposed bridges/conning towers on Fleet Subs and U-Boats you'll see the exact same structure, with a little more curve to it. Thats a very astute observation for a "beginner" Ed Mansfield, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "denis keegan" Subject: Beginners Question On MTB's and MGB's the parts in question would be wind deflectors and are (were?) made of Plexiglass with metal framing. I assume that similar devices were installed on larger ships too. There are excellent photo's and plans of these devices in Lambert& Ross's Allied Coastal Forces Denis K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: David_L._Miller@ccmail.wiu.edu Subject: Carrier booms In many pictures of aircraft carriers one can see what appear to be several long, thin, booms at the edges of the foreward flight deck, and at the foreward part of the angle deck. Sometimes they are in the vertical position, and sometimes they are horizongal, protruding out from the edge of the deck. In one picture, there appeared to be eight of these booms on ech side of the foreward flight deck. I built a plastic model of the Kittyhawk last year, but the instructions did not identify these booms. I am scratchbuilding a model of the Coral Sea, and it would help to know the function of these booms. Thanks, Dave Miller -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Jon Warneke Subject: Re: Beginner's Question Hi Tom, >> Some ships have a bulwark (correct teminology?) around the exposed portions of their bridges. Around the outside of top edge of this bulwark, there is a vertical (i.e. parallel to the bulwark) strip or sheet maybe 1 foot high, held away from it by a series of vertical strips. In plan view, this resembles a horizontal railing, or perhaps a ladder. << Pretty good description actually. This is a venturi. It works sort of like the wind dam under most modern cars. What a venturi does is to deflect the air upwards around the bridge area, creating a calm area where the captain and crew can work without worrying too much about stuff blowing overboard, or at least in theory... Jon Warneke Commander Series Models, Inc. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: melee Subject: portholes Hello, I have Hoyt's book, "Blue Skies and Blood", on the battle of the Coral Sea. In his book, he says that pieces of metal were welded over the portholes. This was done, so people could not inadvertantly violate blackout orders at night. Lee Errin Shackelford -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: BillBramha@aol.com Subject: Which brand of white paint is best? A question for the list: which brand of white paint gives best coverage? Thanks in advance, Bill -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Poutre, Joseph A" Subject: Virginia class names (US political commentary included) >> USS Virginia SSN 774 USS Texas SSN 775 USS Hawaii SSN 776 USS North Carolina SSN 777 Any more names should be up to the new administration. << I expect the next will therefore be named Florida, in gratitude. Then maybe Tennessee...? Politically yours, Joe Poutre -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: Old Kits >> Does anyone have any info on the Dumas kits of the U.S.S. Monitor and the C.S.S. Virginia? I would like to know if they will build into good historic models, and who may have them in stock. << I have seen both of these built into really great static models. I don't know how much extra work went into them but whoever did them did a wonderful job. If you are in the DC area they are in a hobby shop (can't remember the name) in a strip mall on the west side of route 2 just north of Annapolis. Cheers, Bob Santos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Foeth" Subject: Charles de Gaulle Propellers I am at all not suprised the propellers have failed: the CDG props have really a lot of skew (That's when the blade is bent backwards when viewed from astern giving them a knife-like shape). Skew can be really handy for reducing sound emissions etc, but is not that usefull for twin screw ships. The trouble with high skew is not the vibrations, but the loading when it is turning backwards, in a crash stop manouever: bent tips are not that uncommon in such an off-design condition. I'm not sure if the drive is electrical, but this can also be disastrous for a prop when it is suddenly put into reverse. The "washer machine" vibration effect really shouldn't be that much of a problem, as that can be checked with a calculation at which number of revolutions this effect occurs. If it did occur, well, not too good for French engineering. Normally, a vibrations analysis is done for prop axis, most certainly a navy vessel. A small propeller diameter does not automatically mean that is is unable to reach a high speed. Take a look at the propeller size of the Queen Elizabeth II, incidentally one of the highest loaded propellers in existence. Foeth -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) To: JRKutina@webtv.net Subject: All Hands - June 2000 - Into the Deep/Dive Suit http://www.mediacen.navy.mil/pubs/allhands/jun00/pg14.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Joel Labow Subject: Beginner's Question >> Some ships have a bulwark (correct teminology?) around the exposed portions of their bridges. Around the outside of top edge of this bulwark, there is a vertical (i.e. parallel to the bulwark) strip or sheet maybe 1 foot high, held away from it by a series of vertical strips. In plan view, this resembles a horizontal railing, or perhaps a ladder. << Hi Tom, What you are describing is a venturi screen.....it's purpose is to deflect the wind generated by a ships forward motion upwards out of the eyes and faces of the brudge watchstanders. As a veteran of many hundreds of hours of wtachstanding I feel that the engineer who thought this up ought to have been awarded the Nobel Prize! Best regards, Joel Labow -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: RhinoBones@aol.com Subject: Hasegawa Light Crusiers I need a bit of help with a pair of Hasegawa IJN Light Cruisers. Hasegawa makes the 700 scale IJN CL's Tenryn and Tatsuta, however, I have not been able to find any pictures on the web which would help to identify the era of these ships. Would appreciate seeing on the SMML a note from anyone who knows about these kits and the time period which they represent. Regards, RhinoBones -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Bill Daisley" Subject: Virginia Class SSN Is this a Seawolf class or improved LosAngeles? Are there any drawings or sites... cheers Bill TGH alone in the basement @ BAD Productions Est. F'ton 1994 & MAD R&D Est. Sarnia 1998 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Hughes Family" Subject: Re: Combat Fleets of the World 1998-1999 FYI - I just checked my local Barnes & Noble (Pittsburgh, PA, USA) they had 4 copies of the 1998-1999 edition of Combat Fleets of the World for $24.99 US. Upon close inspection, a few of the photos are "fuzzy", the USN and RN areas are pretty clean, and the JMSDF is the worst section I could find. The text is clear as can be. I wonder if the Naval Institute Press had a bad run and B&N bought up the copies to sell at clearance prices. I have two previous editions and all the photos in them are top notch for black & white. Regardless of the quality of some of the photos I convinced the wife it was a once in a lifetime bargain that I had to take advantage of, I now need a stronger bookshelf for my reference section. Jeff Hughes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: Aging sailors reach Bahamas http://seattlep-i.nwsource.com/national/sail05.shtml -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: stillmo@mb.sympatico.ca Subject: Re: Beginner's Question Tom Cowell; response to your inquiry re bridge rail fittings....these are splinter shields. Personnel characterstically 'hugged' the inside facings of thin metal bridge plates. The second outboard plating was to offer some degree of 'marginal' protection against splinters from near misses, etc. RDBean -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Keith Butterley Subject: RN Camouflage Volume II Hello all, I am now accepting orders for Royal Navy Camouflage Volume II 1942. It is due appoximately in five weeks. It will be in the same size and format as Volume I. Price Canada $24Cdn + $5Cdn for shipping USA $16US + $3US for shipping Int/l $16US + $7US for shipping UK $12GBP + 5GBP shipping Regards Keith Butterley http://www.warshipbooks.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume