Subject: SMML Vol 1115 Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 21:50:48 -0800 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: White Paint 2: Submarine book 3: Virginia class names with US political commentary included 4: Re: "Booms" on carriers 5: Re: BEGINNER'S QUESTION 6: Re: Virginia class 7: Ironclad book 8: Sailing Ships 9: Check out Olivers Welt der Schiffsminiaturen 10: Royal Australian Navy Colours 11: Re: Carrier booms -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation 1: Site updates -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Mike Connelley Subject: Re: White Paint Howdy: Frankly, I haven't found a white paint that gives really good coverage. They all seem to be quite translucent and not that opaque (similarly for yellows and light grays). To help the white be more opaque, try painting the area with a light gray first, then go over with the white. When I paint with white I only airbrush it in many fine coats as that's the only way I can seem to get an even and relatively opaque paint job. I don't think this is worth switching paint brands over, so just stick with which ever brand you already have. Cheers Mike Connelley -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Marc Flake Subject: Submarine book Hey Sub SMMLers: I thought I could avoid getting the sub bug, but now I've got it. As is usual, I'm looking for some good reference material for my library. Primarily, I'm looking something with a good overview of the submarine, with some good pictures (drawings and/or photos) of subs, a rundown of subs through history and in the different navies and maybe some cutaway interior shots. I'm looking for your basic one-volume submarine reference. Reality or fantasy? Marc (This never woulda happened if they hadn't decided to name a sub after Texas . . .) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Ed Grune Subject: Virginia class names with US political commentary included Joe wrote >> I expect the next will therefore be named Florida, in gratitude. Then maybe Tennessee...?<< Well, it they're going to do that, the folks in Washington will have to decommission a couple of Trident subs. There's already a Tennessee and a Florida. Ed Mansfield, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: "Booms" on carriers >> I built a plastic model of the Kittyhawk last year, but the instructions did not identify these booms. I am scratchbuilding a model of the Coral Sea, and it would help to know the function of these booms. << I believe you are referring to the whip antennas located along the deck edges of carriers. They appear in both positions because they raise them when in port and lower them when at sea. The kits don't specify them because they aren't included as part of the kit. Some kits will mention them as extra detailing that can be done by the modeler. You can easily make these antennas from stretched sprue in 1/350 scale of bras wire in 1/700. They are common to all carriers of most all eras. They were used in WW2, bet looked like electrical towers. They still could be lowered or raised as needed. Hope this helps. Rusty White Flagship Models - Photo Etched Details for Warships http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ We now accept Visa & MasterCard world wide via Pay Pal "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: HGYL@aol.com Subject: Re: BEGINNER'S QUESTION It is called a wind deflector and its purpose is precisely that. Harold Lincoln -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Virginia class >> Is this a Seawolf class or improved LosAngeles? Are there any drawings or sites... << No, it is a "new" design, although it resembles a Seawolf class in some regards. AKA the NSSN, the technology is more up to date using COTS philosophy, and the sub supposedly is optimized for "battlespace dominance". That said, it is not as fast nor can it dive as deep as the Seawolf class, and is less capable of Artic operations. Also, it returns to a narrower beam versus length ratio as seen in this chart from the below web site:Los Angeles Length: 360 feet (110 meters) Beam: 33 feet (10 meters) Seawolf Length: 353 feet (108 meters) Beam: 40 ft. (12.2 m) NSSN Length: 377 ft. (115 m) Beam: 34 ft. (10.4 m) This means it will again be subject to snap roll problems when turning. The web site lists all three classes as being capable of "speeds in excess of 25 knots and depths in excess of 800 feet". See: http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/nssn.htm and: http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/nssn/ Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Sean Obrien Subject: Ironclad book A few months ago there was talk about a book on warships of the latter 19th century that had ironclad in the title. Someone had run accross it at a book store and said it was a keeper. Any one remember what it was? Sean O'B -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: RhinoBones@aol.com Subject: Sailing Ships I've started a nice little Heller sailing ship named La Tartane and I need a bit of advice. Two questions: 1) Some of the instructions I've read state that the threaded rigging should be waxed prior to installation. I would suppose that this would give the thread a bit more body and possibly make for tighter knots, but are there other reasons which are not obvious? Are there drawbacks? 2) Need some suggestions for making the plastic cut out sails come alive. My current plan is to spray them with a flat white and then apply a light beige wash. Hopefully this will give them the look of worn canvas. Maybe a little darker wash along the lower edges of the sails for dramatic lighting effects. All suggestions would be appreciated. Regards, RhinoBones -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: URUDOFSKY@aol.com Subject: Check out Olivers Welt der Schiffsminiaturen Olivers Welt der Schiffsminiaturen has a new and great web page Click here: http://www.schiffmini.de/ Ulrich H. Rudofsky -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: John Snyder Subject: Royal Australian Navy Colours This thread was kicking around a few weeks ago, and I thought I'd add to it, given specific reference to "Chicago Blue." We received the following material from the Australian Ministry of Defence: Commonwealth Navy Orders 1943 "400. EXTERNAL AND CAMOUFLAGE PAINTING--STANDARDIZATION OF COLOUR SHADES, AND INTRODUCTION OF A1 AND A2 CLASS QUALITIES PAINT. The following colours for camouflage paints have been approved for use in the Royal Australian Navy to supplement those of the standard Service paints for camouflage purposes. Supplies for camouflage purposes will in future be restricted to these colours, and demands for requirements should therefore be prepared accordingly:-- Shade G.5 . . Near Black . . (Supersedes MS1) Shade G.10 . . Dark Grey . . (Supersedes MS2 and is equivalent to the shade of Admiralty Pattern 507A Paint) Shade MS.3.B Greenish Khaki Shade B.30 . . Light Khaki . . (Supersedes B.6 and MS4) Shade B.55 . . Light Grey . . (Supersedes MS4.A) Shade B.15 . . Blue Grey . . (Supersedes B.5) Shade G.45 . . Grey . . (Equivalent to the shade of Admiralty Pattern 507C Paint) Shade . . Chicago Blue. Shade . . Sky Blue for Masts. 2. The attention of all concerned is drawn to A.F.O. 2106/43 regarding the introduction of A.1 and A.2 class qualities of paints for external and camouflage painting and the instructions contained therein for their procurement and use." A.F.O. 2106/43 refers to Admiralty Fleet Orders 2106/1943, which were superseded by A.F.O. 3113/44. As for "Chicago Blue"? I still think it likely was USN Navy Blue 5-N. Anyone got any ideas regarding "Sky Blue for Masts"? John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Carrier booms >> In many pictures of aircraft carriers one can see what appear to be several long, thin, booms at the edges of the foreward flight deck, and at the foreward part of the angle deck. Sometimes they are in the vertical position, and sometimes they are horizongal, protruding out from the edge of the deck. In one picture, there appeared to be eight of these booms on each side of the foreward flight deck. << These are simply radio antennas, which are lowered to the horizontal position during flight operations. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "smml" Subject: Site updates Hi all, I like week-ends......nice lie-in, laze about a bit, and also get changes made to the site :-) In this batch of changes, we have Archives 1106-1114 added & indexed; Don MacDonald's USS The Sullivans, Karsten Hansen's Titanic, Dick Hopper's Canterbury & Royalist, Chris Rogers HMS Plymouth, Darren Scannell's USS Hasley and Filipe Ramires' USS Bataan & IJN all make it to the Members Models page. In addition to these, a few more images have been added to the HMCS Sackville walkabout, as well as some more USN warships to Misc Ships. I'm still working on other sections & images, so if you have mailed something in and it's not in the list above, don't worry - I'm almost at the end of the backlog and will be processing the latest items this week. Mike SMML Webmaster -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume