Subject: SMML VOL 1125 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 03:08:20 -0800 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Swift 1805 hull question 2: Portuguese Invasion 3: Re: Various 4: Model Manufacturer/After-Market/Publisher Contact Info? 5: New E11 and E12 sets: translation from japanese 6: Re: "tiddly" 7: Juliett-class sub in "K-19" 8: RAN & RN colours 9: Yuletide gifts 10: Chinese/Soviet DDs 11: Re: INCHON Cruise Book 12: Panay Stuff 13: Delphis Aquila 14: USN Ops in the Philippines 15: IJN Kaga Flight Deck Accessories 16: Pigboat 39 17: ICM news anyone?? 18: Re: Miata (Visitors driving on the wrong side) 19: Re: Books Worth Having 20: Interesting Site 21: Re: Steichen Photographs 22: The Russian Courageous 23: Austrian green warship paint 24: RAN Sky Blue 25: Bonhome Richard kit -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Hood book for sale 2: Webb Warships USS FLETCHER Plans On E-Bay -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Edward Sumerfield Subject: Swift 1805 hull question I have the hull strakes in place with pins and glue. Now I am trying to overlay that with the darker thinner wood but, because of the pin heads, the strips don't lay flat on the strakes. Is there something I could do to make this fit better. I have filed some of the heads down but I am concerned that if I file to much the strakes may pop off the pins. Ed the Newbie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Ramires, Filipe C" Subject: Portuguese Invasion Hello SMMLies Guess whose back??? Well thats me Filipe. I am now completely operational and my new e-mail in the university is: fcrami@essex.ac.uk Phone Number: 01206 53 5098 If you won't to call just do it after dinner time (after 20:00) Address: Filipe Costa Ramires Bertrand Russel Tower 8/3 University of Essex Wivenhoe Park Colchester CO4 3SQ UNITED KINGDOM Regards and I hope to see many of you in the Fleet Air Arm Festival -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Various >> Is that a good thing? Kit-review-wise, I mean? As a hopelessly provincial American, that sounds like you want to take it out back and beat the crap out of it with a baseball bat - but since you don't have baseball over there, I'm willing to be educated ... << Oh Ned, Ned... it's been SO difficult convincing my Brit fiancee, family-to-be, and friends that we Yanks are an educated lot, and then you go and, well.... ;^) >> To anybody who is thinking of driving in the UK that comes from the US. I give one word of warning ---------------- Robert Hughes! << Ah, do I detect some type of warning?? >> Of interest to this list is a large collection of photographs from Edward Steichen. Steichen spent significant time on the second Lexington taking pictures during the war, and was also apparently a supervisor of sorts of combat photographers with the Navy. << A truly sad story involves Steichen's photos. During the war, color film (Kodacolor and Kodochrome) were in very short supply, and the Navy gave priority for this film to training units. In this regard, Steichen was technically assigned to a training unit so as to have access to color film, and he shot it extensively. Not all that long ago, an acquaintance who is now retired from the Navy but was then still on active duty and involved with naval archives, was in Pearl Harbor where he had tracked down a batch of Steichen's work. When he arrived, however, he found that someone had thought them copies and destroyed them. What they had in fact destroyed were original Steichen 4x5 color negatives!! Don't you just love bureaucracy? John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys http://www.shipcamouflage.com White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Model Manufacturer/After-Market/Publisher Contact Info? Anybody have e-mail contact information for any model manufactures? I'm also looking for contact info on after-market support kit producers and publishers who produce items in our field. Two reasons - I'm trying to obtain review copies for the IPMS modeling column AND I'm trying to create a database that, when finished, I'll be glad to share with any list members. Contact the list or me directly - Thanks Ned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Ismail Hassenpflug Subject: New E11 and E12 sets: translation from japanese I finally got around to doing the translations of the instructions for the new weapon set releases. Thanks to Michael Quann for the scanned instructions, sorry for the long delay. Enjoy... Set E11 - Numbering of each row is left to right Number of items listed below is per sprue. Each set contains 2 sprues Row 1: --------- 1. 50 cal Type Year 3, Model II 20cm twin turret, E Class (3 sets, 2 of which with 6m range finder) 2. Type 89 40 cal 12.7cm twin H/A mount A1 Class (3 sets) 3. 45 cal Type Year 10 12cm single H/A mount (2 sets) Row 2: --------- 1. Type 89 61cm twin torpedo tubes (4 sets) 2. Type 92 61cm quad torpedo tubes (left and right) (2 sets each) 3. Type 89 40 cal 12.7cm twin H/A mount A Model, Improvement 1 (2 sets) (if you don't cement part 28, you can elevate the barrels - wow!) Row 3: --------- 1. Model 13 Radar (1 set) 2. Model 21 Radar (1 set) 3. Model 22 Radar (1 set) 4. Flag staff (1 set) 5. Catapult (1 set) Row 4: --------- 1. Type 14 4.5m rangefinder (1 set) 2. Type 91 H/A fire control position, curved roof (1 set) 3. Type 14 3.5m rangefinder (1 set) 4. Type 14 6m rangefinder (1 set) 5. Type 14 Main gun director, flat roof (1 set) Row 5: -------- 1. 110cm searchlight, with cover (2 sets) 2. Type 94 4.5m H/A rangefinder (1 set) 3. Paravane (1 set) 4. Main anchor (1 set) 5. 110cm searchlight (2 sets) Row 6: --------- 1. Hose reel (large 6 sets, small 8 sets) 2. Crysanthemum crest (1 set) 3. Loop antenna (1 set) 4. Auxiliary anchor (1 set) 5. 110cm searchlight base (2 sets) E12 - Numbering of each row is left to right Number of items listed below is per sprue. Each set contains 2 sprues Row 1: ----- 1. Nakajima Type 90 Model 2 reconnaissance floatplane (1 set) 2. Kawanishi Type 94 Model 1 reconnaissance floatplane (1 set) 3. Nakajima Type 95 Model 1,2 reconnaissance floatplane (1 set) Row 2: ----- 1. Mitsubishi Type 0 observation plane (1 set) 2. Aichi Type 0 reconnaissance floatplane (1 set) 3. (vertically, top to bottom) a. 12m motor launch (1 set) b. 11m admiral's barge (cabin sides varnished, use Gunze Sangyo G43) (1 set) c. 11m motor launch (1 set) d. 9m cutter (2 sets) e. 6m barge (1 set) f. 8m barge (1 set) Row 3: ----- 1. 25mm twin machine gun (5 sets) 2. 25mm triple machine gun (10 sets) Box below the above two items shows alignment of parts 3. 13mm quad machine gun (2 sets) 4. 13mm twin machine gun (2 sets) Row 4: (under 13mm machine gun entries) ----- 1. practice loader gun (1 set) 2. Vickers Type 40mm single machine gun (1 set) Row 5: ----- 1. 25mm single machine gun (Use part 39 as necessary) (15 sets) 2. aircraft handling dolly (2 sets) 3. catapult dolly (2 sets) I didn't have a Christmas tree, but the first modelers meeting here had a swap meet, and I managed to give myself an overdue Christmas present: 1:700 slightly improved Aoshima Hiryu and Amagi challenge kits nice Aoshima Chikuma with small photo-etch fret included Hasegawa Heian Maru Dragon Dallas and Typhoon set 1:72 Hasegawa EA-6B Prowler, Atsugi VAQ-136 Hasegawa Mosquito B.Mk.IV Dragon Ar234C-3/4 Hasegawa A6M8 Model 54/64 with resin conversion parts for the princely sum of 300 yen (small change). Better late than never.... Oh for time to build! Gernot Hassenpflug, MSc.Eng -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Ian MacCorquodale" Subject: Re: "tiddly" >> Is that a good thing? Kit-review-wise, I mean? As a hopelessly provincial American, that sounds like you want to take it out back and beat the crap out of it with a baseball bat - but since you don't have baseball over there, I'm willing to be educated ... << Hey Ned, Tiddly is somewhat akin to Lovely, or shiny and new, it's a term frequently used in the Canadian Navy and it's parent the Royal Navy. Seriously tho, Its a nice kit. I can do a review if it's warranted,but I havent heard much of Lee kits from my neighbors to the South. As to Baseball, umm, ever heard of the Toronto Blue Jays, or the Montreal Canadiens? We have baseball north of the border... :-)) And running water... LOL! Cheers, Ian http://www.geocities.com/macrachael/ Naval photography...So much to Sea! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: doug brown Subject: Juliett-class sub in "K-19" Greetings... After reading great threads on accuracy of 'U-571' and 'Pearl Harbor', here's a new one for discussion ... "K-19: The Widowmaker", based 1961 accident on K-19 Soviet nuclear sub. These articles have nice shots of the Juliett-class sub standing in for K-19. It has been a museum exhibit in Tampa, just towed to Halifax for filming. Site for the Juliett used in the movie http://www.subexpo.com/ Articles from Halifax: http://www.herald.ns.ca/cgi-bin/home/loadmain?2001/01/16+225.raw http://www.herald.ns.ca/cgi-bin/home/homepage?2001/01/16 Old Russian sub towed in as movie prop Halifax to portray Soviet shipyard in Harrison Ford film this spring http://www.hfxnews.southam.ca/story8.html Tuesday, January 16, 2001 Widowmaker set berths in Halifax By RICHARD DOOLEY -- The Daily News That mysterious, sleek vessel moored at Halifax Shipyard is a blaster from the past being readied for $60-million movie starring two of Hollywood's biggest stars. The decommissioned Cold War-era Soviet submarine, once armed with nuclear cruise missiles and 22 torpedoes, is at the shipyard for some work before being pressed into service in a Hollywood thriller starring Harrison Ford and Liam Neeson. The movie K-19: The Widowmaker, is based on the true story of Russia's first nuclear ballistic missile submarine, which had a malfunction in its nuclear reactor during its 1961 maiden voyage in the North Atlantic. In real life, the nuclear leak was stopped and disaster avoided, but more than 20 sailors died of radiation poisoning. The Russian sub, which has been a tourist attraction in Florida for the last three years, is a 90-metre Juliet-class boat commissioned in 1965. It is a diesel-electric vessel but it will be outfitted to look like a nuclear-powered sub for location shooting. doug -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "M & R Brown" Subject: RAN & RN colours An update on the RN & RAN's colours with some more info from the NAA's records. * A May 1942 letter saying the nature ie colour of M.S.1. etc was unknown until a parcel of samples arrived that month. It doesnt say if real paint, chips or what. * Series of drafts and background notes re AFO2106 of 13/5/1943. * A Feb 1943 letter re the draft includes request for colours to be restricted "as it is beyond the capacity of this yard to supply the varied colours which ships have been demanding in the past" ie camouflage paints were local manufacture. * A March letter of approval by the Naval Board to include "Sky Blue for masts" and "Chicago Blue (U.S. Warship Colour)" in RAN draft order. At last formally called a US warship colour in an official RAN document!!! The description of Dark Blue Grey surely means it is US Navy 5N. * A May 1943 draft of the RAN issue of 2106 lists paints by M.S. code but hand written next to them is "now G5", not supersedes. * A July draft which indicates that M.S.3B was in the original Admiralty draft 2106 ie it was a U.K. colour not an RAN invention. Decision was made to include it in the RAN order as it was in use. * Letter Sept. 1943 from a CO has complaining that his paint had a washed out appearance within a few days of painting. Colour was Chicago Blue and supplied by Sydney Navy Stores. ie paint was local manufacture. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: TechnoInfidel@webtv.net (John Collins) Subject: Yuletide gifts Greetings all: As Mistress Lorna requests, so shall I comply. I was obviously very good last year, well, at least my spouse thought so. She gifted me with two resin kits and several books. The kits were WEM 350 scale HMS Mary Rose and MTB 379. The MTB is very nice, but the Mary Rose is exquisite. The books were Polmar and Morison's PT Boats at War, Roberts' Battlecruisers and two Monograph Morskis: Georges Leygues and Tashkent. My brother-in-law, also a modeller, gave me the Tamiya USS Indianapolis. I, likewise, thought the Brass Monkey story was possibly the funniest story yet posted to the list. I do have a question though. While reading Edgar J. Marsh's British Destroyers book, I came across a term I didn't understand (actually there were many, but. . . ). Marsh related that the WWI flotilla leader HMS Mackey heeled over 60 degrees exposing her bilge keel and condenser inlet. Portions of her lower bridge were in water. Marsh quotes the captain ". . . and I submit the it would appear that the ship is extremely crank." He later amended the statement ". . .I ought perhaps to have said 'tender' instead of 'crank'." In either case, I have no idea what he said. Any takers? John Collins Atlanta, GA, USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Chinese/Soviet DDs Steve Wiper noted - >> It would be really nice if you would let the rest of us in the USA know where you got this kit of the Russian DD, and how much it cost. << I searched without success looking for dealers on the web that carried this Trumpeter ship model. Steve Sobieralski said yesterday he found one at a shop in Tampa, FL. I got mine on eBay and have seen it there several times, so somebody else has a source, too. I think the opening bid is in the $15 range. Steve Sobieralski also observed - >> I believe the only major change the Chinese made to these ships was to remove the torpedo tubes and replace them with missle launchers, and since the kit has torpedo tubes, I assume that it can be built to represent a fairly accurate model of a WW2 era Soviet destroyer. << Apparently Lee Models makes a 1/300 kit (see www.gofigures.com) that's listed as the Chinese guided missile destroyer FUSHUN, but the photo doesn't show any obvious missiles; it looks very much like the other WW2 Russian GORDI-class DDs. Don't know how it compares to the Trumpeter kit aside from being smaller, but the other Lee ship models I've seen are quite nice. Mike Alexandria, VA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Re: INCHON Cruise Book Keith Butterley forwarded a note - >> I don't know if you can help me or not, if you can not, I'm hoping you might be able to point me in the right direction. I'm looking a 1972-1973 cruise book for the US Ichon LPH 12. Thank you. Sincerely, yours AMHCR Earl L Coleman << His email address is EarlDonna@webtv.net I am assuming the ship involved is the USS Inchon or was/is there a Ichon? << INCHON was an LPH that was rebuilt as a mine countermeasures support ship (MCS-12). The ship is based in Ingleside, Texas and serves as a sort of "mother ship" for smaller mine warfare craft (MHC/MCM types) and operates mine-hunting helos. Finding a cruise book that's almost 20 years old would be tough. It's a longshot, but it may be possible to locate another former crew member who has one via the ship's web site: http://www.spear.navy.mil/ships/mcs12/ The Naval Historical Center in Washington, DC, also maintains a library of cruise books, but it's by no means comprehensive. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Panay Stuff Ned Barnett asked - >> I'm looking for design and operational information on the Asiatic fleet in the mid-30s through early 42 - and especially (though not exclusively) the Panay. Design/plans, books, websites, videos - you name it, I'm trying to get it. << Books: "The PANAY Incident: Prelude to Pearl Harbor" by Hamilton D. Perry (Macmillan 1969) Videos: "The Great Ships - The Gunboats" Includes several minutes of PANAY footage, including the attack and sinking. Check the History Channel web site for availability. Web Sites: http://www.execpc.com/~cgarcia/index.html (Sand Pebbles Movie Tribute) http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/5047/YANGTZE.html (Yangtze Patrol) Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Paul O'Reilly" Subject: Delphis Aquila All; I've been away for a while and have been madly reading up on the back issues of SMML. Someone earlier had asked for an opinion on the 1/700 Italian carrier Aquila by Delphis. I've purchased the kit from Pacific Front Hobbies and it arrived complete and without any broken parts. Detailing is very good, but I have absolutely no reference material to which to compare the model. I have a few photos of the ship rusting out alongside a pier somewhere. Snyder and Short have a paint chips set for the Italian Navy but I'm not sure exactly which colours apply to the carrier. I guess this will be a real "what if" project. I did go to WEM and bought an additional 10 Re 2001 aircraft from their 1/700 Airstrike series. The kit comes with five aircraft and the two versions ( WEM and Delphis) appear identical. HTH Paul O'Reilly -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: USN Ops in the Philippines John Snyder wrote - >> For information on early war operations in the Philippines: Winslow, W.G. "The Fleet the Gods Forgot: The U.S. Asiatic Fleet in World War II." Annapolis: USNI Press, 1982. Out of print, but worth finding. << There is also "The Lonely Ships: The Life and Death of the US Asiatic Fleet" by Edwin P. Hoyt (McKay 1976). Should be traceable through Advanced Book Exchange. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Paul O'Reilly" Subject: IJN Kaga Flight Deck Accessories All; I have seen a photo of Kaga reportedly on her way to Hawaii for the Pearl Harbor attack. The ship is in heavy seas and pointed towards the camera so the view is directly down the flight deck. The shot is from a movie clip and the motion of the ship is quite apparent. At any rate, the after end of the flight deck has standing on it a large structure of undetermined utility. It consists of two pillars with a horizontal beam stretched between them at the top. It appears amazingly similar to the old spoilers that appeared on the back end of 70's muscle cars. Only Kaga had the structure. I've asked a naval architect friend of mine what this structure was for and he was bewildered too. I first saw the photo in a Readers Digest in the late 60's when it presented an article on the Pearl Harbor strike. It might have been an article on the making of Tora! Tora! Tora! Has anyone else seen this photo? Can anyone guess what this structure is for? I'm curious as hell and I can't stand it anymore! Paul O'Reilly -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Pigboat 39 Jerry Phillips noted - >> I have read the book "Pigboat 39" author unknown, (sorry its been a long time). A great true story of a "S" class submarine in the Asiatic Fleet circa 1940 thru 1942. << Author was Bobette Gugliotta (whose husband served on S-39), published 1984 by University of Kentucky, ISBN 0-8131-1524-8. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Keith Bender" Subject: ICM news anyone?? Hi SMMLies, I been off the system for a few weeks, need to catch up here. Has anyone heard any new news on the release of the ICM Hood and the two Japanese cruisers? Thanx, Keith -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Shane Weier Subject: Re: Miata (Visitors driving on the wrong side) WRPRESSINC@aol.com says: >> To anybody who is thinking of driving in the UK that comes from the US. I give one word of warning ---------------- Robert Hughes! << Eh? That drunken Australian Art critics resident in NY should drive on the correct side of the road in Australia because we colonials resent his assertion that he's now too f***ing important to follow the road rules? And that the Poms would have a similar attitude? FTIC Shane (the sympathy free zone) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: Re: Books Worth Having Submarines of World War Two by Erminio Bagnasco published in the english language in 1977. Some of the drawings are accurate. Carrier Air Power by Norman Friedman, published in 1981. For those that have never seen this book I feel some small pity. There has never been anything quite like this. The Denny List by David Lyon published in 1975 by the National Maritime Museum. This book is made up of four volumes with approximately 1400 pages in total. Over one thousand plans included. Naval Radar by Norman Friedman published in 1981. Very good and a great deal of visual data of direct value to the modeller. The last three titles were never reprinted and all four I suspect are difficult to obtain. The Denny list is the rarest by far with, I believe, only about 500 copies or less printed. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "Doug Wilde" Subject: Interesting Site Somewhat ship related... A co-worker pointed out this site to me... http://oboylephoto.com/ruins/index.htm Click on the top photograph in the left column, labeled "The Boatyard". Keep clicking the "Next" button. If you love tugboats you might not be able to take the images. So sad, so very sad. Good photographer. Doug Wilde -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: stillmo@mb.sympatico.ca Subject: Re: Steichen Photographs James, Loved your posting regarding the George Eastman WWII Collection. Being a pro photographer by trade, I took interest in this story because were it not for Edward Steichen and his group of photographers, WWII in the Pacific, the Naval Photographic Unit then, would never have been documented as fully and comprehensively as it was. There is a beautifull book, probably long out of print by the USNIP entitled STEICHEN AT WAR, and traces back the history of the formative photographic units that documented on film the Pacific War. Edward Steichen was a well known photographer prewar, and approached EJ King after Pearl Harbor about covering the war on film. He was so convincing that he was given literally carte blanche to go anywhere he wanted, whenever, with cameras, form a skilled trained photo unit and send them out to the fleet. Black and white film of that time was of high quality, and in most cases the cameras used were the 4x5 Speed Graphex, a cumbersome but rugged large neg camera that had wire frames like gunsights atop the housings, and these produced remarkable clear crisp images from beautifull negs that rival imagery of today. Steichen loved naval air and he and his crew created breathtaking images of the carriers, the planes and the men that manned, crewed, and maintained them. It was photojournaliasm in its prime. After the war the department was called the Naval Photographic Center and the negs all went to the National Archives or private collections. Another great American enterprise was/is the National Geographic Soc., of which we all know, and Melvin B. Grosvenor back in the war years was alos a fan of the US Navy---thats why there were so many wonderfull articles in their WWII editions on naval and naval air subjects. I would kill to go through their archives to see stuff that never made the magasine pages---and it s all in Washington DC. Grosvenor did a lot of pictorials on the post WWII Air Force, and it was the NGS that first experimented with Kodachrome Slide Film, a hot a sought after commodity in wartime USA, and Kodachrome color slide film is based on Black and White base emulsions! Back to topic, though, it was Steichens famous picture that made headlines and book covers everywhere, of the F6F moving past the LEX island, with swirling prop circles and blurred plane.....and remember that Carrier Ready Room scene of the animated, excited pilot, gesturing with his hands to his fascinated buddies as he described his heroics during the Mariannas Turkey Shoot? And the SB2C Helldivers in formation, silhouetted over the ESSEX cvs on a placid silver sea? Edward Steichen. I would have loved to have combed those files you saw. Were any pics for sale? Wow, a 16x20 gloss print from one of those original negs, mounted and matted on my wall would have been a terrific Christmas present. Sigh. Well, enough of that I suppose. Yours, Aye, Ray D. Bean, PPOC PPAM...... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: Bergschöld Pelle Subject: The Russian Courageous Steve Sobieralski wonders: >> I am not sure where the "Courageous" nomenclature comes from. << With the latin alphabet: Doblestnij. A Krivak I ASW frigate. Since I haven't followed the thread, I do not know wether the kit is really a Krivak or not. All the best Pelle SWE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: "Pletscher-Lenz-Schneider" Subject: Austrian green warship paint In an article in Plastic Ship Modeler 1997/2, I had suggested Humbrol 31 for the Austro-Hungarian "green-olive" or "gray-green" paint which was also called "Montecuccolin". This was only a rough guessing. In the meantime, I have tried to mix it from the original formulas. These were differing through the years and read as follows: 1906: 140 kg Bleiweiss (lead-white) 9 kg Schwarz (black) 45 kg Ockergelb (ocher) 5 kg Ultramarinblau (ultramarine) 40 kg Leinoel (linseed oil) 20 kg Terpentinoel (turpentine oil) 1910: 36 kg Bleiweiss (lead-white) 5 kg Schwarz (black) 28 kg Ockergelb (ocher) 4 kg Ultramarinblau (ultramarine) 23 kg Leinoel (linseed oil) 5 kg Terpentinoel (turpentine oil) 1911: 46% Graue Bergkreide (gray chalk) 14% Ockergelb (ochre) 2% Schwarz (black) 9% Litopone/Permannetweiss (permanent-white) 1% Ultramarinblau (ultramarine) 27% Leinoel (linseed oil) 1% Terpentinoel (turpentine oil) After some tests, I decided to use a mixture of equal parts of: Humbrol 64 Humbrol 86 Humbrol 102 for the paint of my WSW model of Erzherzog Ferdinand Max. This also comes rather close to the color you can find on some contemporary paints. Falk Pletscher -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: "M & R Brown" Subject: RAN Sky Blue The colour described as Sky Blue for masts appears in one RAN document as a white with blue added at a time when Garden Island was mixing its own paints. However, later on when paints were made by local manufacturers, another document describes it as "standard RAAF Sky Blue". This was BS381C 1931 #1 and is now BS381C 101 Sky Blue. Michael Brown -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Bonhome Richard kit Is this kit still in production? A client asked me the other day and I just didn't know. I know Revell produced it some time back in the old box scale line of kits. Rusty White Flagship Models - Photo Etched Details for Warships http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ We now accept Visa & MasterCard world wide via Pay Pal "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: SJantscher@aol.com Subject: Hood book for sale Hi All, I have the AJ Press polish text "Monografie Morskie" #6 Hood for sale. Many b&w photos, detail drawings and a separate multi-fold 1/400th scale ship plans and color views. Pretty good cheap reference on this fine ship. Softcover 64pp, $13.00 plus actual postage. Thanks Steve Jantscher Minnesota, USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Webb Warships USS FLETCHER Plans On E-Bay I'm selling a complete late 70s vintage set of plans for the USS Fletcher on E-Bay. These were drawn in 1976 by Paul A. Webb of Webb Warships Pty. Ltd. of Australia. They are the apex of what can be accomplished by a fine commercial draftsman and show the USS Fletcher as she appeared in 1942. The plans are in unused condition. Go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=542509020 or enter item number 542509020 in the search field to see the listing and photos of the plans. This is a complete set and includes: 3 sheets of detailed drawings in 1/96 scale (Decks, Profiles, Lines, Details, Camo Scheme [Measure-12] and a booklet containing the history of the ship). The plans come folded in their original slipcase folder. We expect these to sell quickly, so check them out and hopefully they'll go to a good ship modeler's home who can appreciate them. 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