Subject: SMML VOL 1134 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 02:23:29 -0800 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: On A Destroyer's Bridge 2: Re: New Revell 1:72 S-BOAT 3: Re: Yorktown 4: Sandpiper Class River Gunboats 5: Re: Davits 6: Re: Gato (Give me more) 7: Re: Lamp Finials 8: Re: Gato (Give me more) 9: SEA RAM 10: Guns 11: SCALE SHIP MODELER 12: Re: GATO 13: Re: Classic Warships new books: outstanding! 14: The Other S-Boat (submarines - US)? 15: Tramp Steamer 16: Re: Detroit 17: Sydney RAN Open Day 18: Re: Hunley 19: U571, Mirage Kits, and a Revell Atlantis 20: Re: S-Boats (submarines) 21: Re: Gato (Give me more) 22: USS Vance 23: Re: Sea Classics? 24: Rhino's Tsesarievicz 25: M-Class Subs 26: Model "reissue" 27: Ships Boats & Davits 28: Classic Warships Light AA set 29: Re: Hunley raising 30: Re: ISW USS DETROIT help needed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation 1: SMML site update -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: New brass from Tom's Modelworks Set 2004 1/200 scale IJN Destroyer 2: Trade: AOTS Yamato for AOTS Agassiz 3: 1/700 USS Wichita available @ Pacific Front Hobbies 4: Update on Classic Warships Books 5: Model Ship Journal Autumn 2000 Sold Out -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS Hi all, Welcome to the Australia Day edition of SMML. We hope that all the Aussies on the list had a great day & enjoyed themselves. Shane & Lorna -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Minadmiral@aol.com Subject: Re: On A Destroyer's Bridge >> Frost, Holloway H., "On a Destroyer's Bridge", United States Naval Institute, Annapolis, MD, 1930. (Rare, out of print, found in a used bookstore for $8.00 U.S.: expect to pay far more). << http://www.bookfinder.com/ Hi; See above site. 20 copies from $8-$20. Chuck Duggie WoodenWalls Listmeister Naval wargamer, amateur naval historian, and ship modeler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: besken@gmx.de Subject: Re: New Revell 1:72 S-BOAT Hi, the german revell site is on www.revell.de. But I haven't seen any announcement of that S-Boat kit. The new catalogue 2001/2002 will be out February, maybe we will see it there. Uwe Besken -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Craig R Bennett Subject: Re: Yorktown Hi Guys It seems I may have given the wrong impression about the Yorktown's 20mm guns. Jerry Phillips is correct about the fact that.50 caliber was in service on Yorktown. What I meant was that after studing the kits Tamiya's Enterprise and Hornet are unique because the 20mm have the mounts premolded into the catwalks and the barrells are a piece of copper wire cut to a determined size. Every other carrier kit of USN WW2 carriers usnally has separte pieces for the 20mm guns except for the Revell Enterprise. They were designed before the hobby was accessory sensitive and accurate. So using the Hornet's catwalks of 1942 at least would put the kit in the year in question. That's what I was thinking when typing before. Craig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Wannsee" Subject: Sandpiper Class River Gunboats Hi All, Could anybody help me with the following: Info on RN Sandpiper Class River Gunboats ie Number, Names, Dates built scrapped etc Any photo's and plans? I know this is a tall order but worth a try I guess, from what I know of these ships they only needed about 2 feet of water to float!! I know they were in Hong Kong but would be interested to know if they ever sailed in African Waters. Many thanks in advance Martin Foley -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Chris Rogers Subject: Re: Davits Have you ever tried K&S Brass they have all sorts now including I beab H Beam round and angle these should do for what your looking for plus you can solder bits to them if you want to make them more authentic chris OZ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: Re: Gato (Give me more) Christian asked: >> a.) The guys who seved on those subs ("selfmade" uniforms, like on german subs? also wearing in harbors "selfmade" uniforms?) << Most sailors working on deck during the period just back from patrol or preparing to depart on patrol would be in Government Issue dungarees and shirt. Think of dark blue (faded) bell-bottom jeans and a light blue chambray shirt. The hat would probably be be the white dixie cup. You might throw in a dark blue dyed dixie cup for difference. Officer personnel would be in Khaki. Petty Officers at this time wore the enlisted blues too. The quarterdeck watch-stander may have been in dress whites (or dress blues), with a side arm. The local commander might allow some uniform changes - but generally uniform stocks were sufficient that homemade uniforms were not present. >> b.) Also tactical stuff (next to to frontline or more in the back?)(how did they have refulled the sub? oil and torpedos?) << The US submarine fleet operated out of Pearl Harbor and Australia (Brisbane?). Later they also operated out of Midway. The US did not practice submarine fueling and rearming at sea like the German "Milch Cows". Submarine tenders operated out of protected anchorages. >> c.) Who builded the quaysides (US-engineers? out of wood or out of concrete?) << If I remember correctly from photos, the submarine docks at Pearl were concrete, probably built by SeaBees or civilian contrectors to government specs. I think that the operations at Midway started as operating from one or more tenders. They served more as an advanced refueling base to top-off the gas tank on the way to the patrol area. Minor maintanance, refits and arming could be done to hasten the boat's return to the patrol area As far as the facilities in the Land of Oz -- I'll let Shane chime in here. >> d.) How looked the stuff around the ship? torpedo-trolleys? how have they delivered the food out to the sub?(by car or lorry? what type of lorry?) << I've seem some photos of a torpedo handling truck that was essentially a Jeep front-end with the torpedo mounted on the right side, and the driver on the left. There was a crane att he rear for handling the torpedo. Loading torpedos involved rigging an A-frame gantry and lowering the torpedos (nose first) down the torpedo loading hatch. Food would be delivered in boxes and sacks on a stake-side truck. Think of your basic duece-and-a-half, or a late-30's civilian model truck, painted gray. A work party would off-load the truck and strike the supplies below. >> e.) The painting of the subs (Comouflage? Are there some special signs on the turrets, like at the german subs? How looked a retouring boat, when it has sunken some ships?) << Painting -- check the S&S Ship Camouflage website (shipcamouflage.com) for particulars. There were generally no large individual ship markings on the conning towers. During the war, the ships numbers were not carried either. I've seen photos of some small "good luck charms" - such as a horse shoe welded on the conning tower The conning tower evolved greatly over the course of the war. The enclosed conning tower and plated periscope shears of the early-war GATO boats were successively cut-down to reduce the boat's visibility. They went through the "Covered Wagon" stage where the middle of the tower was left as an observation area for lookouts - to a full "Cut-down" tower that minimized the structure. I'd suggest that you do some research, find which one you want to do - what period of the war - and go from there. A returning boat might be flying a broom tied to the top a periscope signifying a "Clean Sweep" if the war patrol was particularly successful. Many subs had "Battle Flags" that were a record of their victories. Some US subs flew small Japanese flags to anounce their victories, but it was nothing like the pennants flown by the Germans. >> f.) How was the sailor thinking about his sub? ("Just a tool for use"? or more like "If you scratch the varnish of my car, I will kill you"?) << I'll have to leave that for the veterans. Ed Mansfield, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: Re: Lamp Finials Andy was asking about Lamp Finials Lamp finials are are the screw-in things that hold the lamp shade onto the harp that rises above the lamp body and around the bulb. Generally they are brass or brass plated. Most always they have the top end that will need to be removed. A hack saw will do. There is a threaded end that is about 1/4 inch, but the threads per inch is non-standard. I generally run a bolt up through the finial and afix the bolt into a nut or threaded insert mounted in the hull. Is there a chain of home improvement stores in the UK? Here in the states we have places like Home Depot or Lowes. In the lamps and lighting department they have blister-card mounted lamp finials - 2 per pack. They also have a lampshade riser - which is a finial that is thraded male on one end and female on the other. You might also try a Lamp and Shade shop. They will often have a larger selection of finials - and are more often sold in units intead of by the card. If you want to get really destructive. While you're in the home improvement store look at the drawer pulls for a brass and porcelain knob. Break the porcelain part off and you have a brass stand-off that can be used. Ed Mansfield, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: NedWriter@aol.com Subject: Re: Gato (Give me more) I'm in the process of research for a novel on early WW-II US sub-ops; I am no authority, but based on that now-ongoing research, Christian, let me offer you a few insights - I'm sure others will have more specific and detailed information, but this might be useful ... >> Because I try to build a waterline model with a short part of an quayside, I need also informations about: a.) The guys who seved on those subs ("selfmade" uniforms, like on german subs? also wearing in harbors "selfmade" uniforms?) << While there was variation in US work uniforms, the variations seem to be from government-approved clothing (an early "mix-and-match") rather than the put-it-together civilian-style clothes the German submariners seemed to prefer. It wasn't "uniform" but it was fairly "official" ... >> b.) Also tactical stuff (next to to frontline or more in the back?)(how did they have refulled the sub? oil and torpedos?) << Depends on the base - Pearl Harbor was different from a tender tied up at Mariveles, and 1941 was different than 1945. At the Pearl sub-base, a new-built concrete quay completed shortly after the Japanese attack included a sunk-and-raised Japanese midget sub, which went with crushed rock into the foundation. In both cases, torpedoes were hoisted in by crane - either dockside or from tenders. In both cases, fuel was pumped in by harge-diameter hoses. >> c.) Who builded the quaysides (US-engineers? out of wood or out of concrete?) << In some cases, civilian contractors; in some cases, Seabees; in some cases, engineering troops - material was what was at hand, and based on the permanence needed - Pearl Harbor's sub-base was very permanent - some island advance bases were very temporary (some just involved mooring next to the tender). >> d.) How looked the stuff around the ship? torpedo-trolleys? how have they delivered the food out to the sub?(by car or lorry? what type of lorry?) << In contrast to "English" english, we call them trucks - and the Deuce-and-a-Half (a 2.5-ton capacity unarticulated cargo vehicle with three axles with ten wheels and tires) were the most common vehicle in service that were used to deliver supplies. Timing was important - the Deuce was a war-built truck, more common in '45 than in '41 - and stateside, civilian or off-the-shelf military-owned trucks were used (esp. early in the war). In the advanced bases at islands, the Deuce would still be the most common, but smaller vehicles - Jeeps and Dodge 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton trucks - or amphib Deuces (DUWKs) could also be used. I've seen torpedo trollies on carriers, but not on docks - but that means that I just haven't seen the right photos ... >> e.) The painting of the subs (Comouflage? Are there some special signs on the turrets, like at the german subs? How looked a retouring boat, when it has sunken some ships?) << Subs (in combat) were basically unmarked for security and low-vis reasons; permanent insignia are uncommon and not well-documented (if they existed). Returning boats had flags signifying sunken enemy vessels (civilian and military had different flags - the "meatball" for civilian and the "sunburst" for military) - these were strung from antenna or rigging wire - sometimes, a broom was tied to a periscope (signifying a "clean sweep" - the use of all torpedoes in combat situations. >> f.) How was the sailor thinking about his sub? ("Just a tool for use"? or more like "If you scratch the varnish of my car, I will kill you"?) << Strong affinity, but these were not pretty boats - there was pride, but not showroom-clean auto type pride. Hope this helps - All the best Ned (1/35? Geeze) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: sanders_talmadge_fc1 Subject: SEA RAM There is a new Weapon system being tested by Raytheon called SEA RAM. As many of you know RAM was developed to compliment CIWS. The new design incorporates the CIWS mount and an 11 cell RAM launcher box placed where the gun would be. Raytheon is targeting foreign (to U.S.) navies, It looks pretty neat, the benefits are extended range envelope of ships self defense. I can't wait to see one!! FC1(sw) "Sandy" Sanders -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Summers David Col 56 MDG/SGPMI Subject: Guns >> I am also shipping a batch of my latest USN Light AA to Pacific Front Hobbies, which contains 13x .50cal machine guns, 36x single 20mm guns, and 12x twin 20mm guns. The set sells for $4. I believe this is the only source of .50cal's and twin 20's on the market. << Fabulous news! What scale? Resin or photo-etch? Comment: I've never seen photoetch guns that look realistic. Shields, of course! Barrels and pedestals, no--they need to be resin/plastic/white metal. David Summers -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: SCALE SHIP MODELER >> Anybody have contact/subscription information? I used to get this (and other Challenge publications) but don't see any of them anymore - not Scale Modeler or Sea Classics or ... << Same here--Challenge Publications have virtually disappeared from our local newstand (they carry just about all of the magazines out there). The owner states that it's difficult to obtain Challenge's publications and he had heard that Scale Ship Modeler was folding or being put up for sale. A quick check of his computer showed nothing in the way of SSM from Challenge. That would be a shame because, although I am now a competitor, Scale Ship Modeler was the one and only model ship magazine that set me on the road to scratchbuilding and made me view my own work with a critical eye. I for one am hoping that Scale Ship Modeler and Sea Classics ain't dead yet. They still fill a need and we can hardly afford to lose more North American magazines in this already shrinking field. As larger commercial magazines gobble up those remaining few, your ability to read differing points of view and get more sources of information diminish. This type of thing is happening everywhere in our society these days. I'd hate to see our hobby's literature controlled by a few well connected individuals who may then decide they'll publish only those stories that sell the most magazines or bring in the most favored advertisers. When this happens quality suffers, readability suffers and our hobby slowly withers. Victor Baca Editor & Publisher MODEL SHIP JOURNAL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: GATO Hi Christian, >> a.) The guys who seved on those subs ("selfmade" uniforms, like on german subs? also wearing in harbors "selfmade" uniforms?) << No self-made uniforms for the most part. My photo references indicate that in port while refitting, the enlisted crew wore dungarees (blue denim trousers, light blue chambray shirts, white sailor's hats); some worked without shirt, some wore short sleeved shirts or long-sleeved shirts with the sleeves rolled well up. The officers wore khaki uniforms with khaki hat covers; some short-sleeved uniforms there too. At sea the crews were dressed pretty much the same way, except hatless when topside; late in the war crews began wearing blue baseball caps, like today's USN. >> b.) Also tactical stuff (next to to frontline or more in the back?)(how did they have refulled the sub? oil and torpedos?) << Not much in the way of frontline bases for U.S. subs. These boats had tremendous tactical range (they were designed from the start to handle the vast distances of the Pacific). The subs were based out of Pearl Harbor, and Fremantel, Australia. After mid-1942, Pearl Harbor boats topped up with fuel at Midway Island, and later in the war Midway served as a forward base. Often there was a submarine tender from which the subs refitted and replenished weapons stores. I have seen photos of crews handling large metal-clad fuel hoses, but can't tell you much else about that particular subject. They may have been at specific fueling quays, or may have had fuel barges alongside. >> c.) Who builded the quaysides (US-engineers? out of wood or out of concrete?) << Pearl Harbor, of course, you know about and was a Navy-built base. The facilities at Fremantle were Australian-built, and would have included a submarine tender to handle repairs. The facilities at Midway were Navy-built by the SeaBees (Naval Construction Battalions), but I don't know the material offhand (I suspect concrete). >> d.) How looked the stuff around the ship? torpedo-trolleys? how have they delivered the food out to the sub?(by car or lorry? what type of lorry?) << No torpedo trolleys in the photos I have. The torpedoes were hoisted aboard directly from the submarine tender to the torpedo loading hatch. Food would have been delivered the same way when loading from the tender; at quayside it would have arrived by lorry (probably the standard U.S. Army-type 6 x 6 truck). >> e.) The painting of the subs (Comouflage? Are there some special signs on the turrets, like at the german subs? How looked a retouring boat, when it has sunken some ships?) << There is a good deal of camouflage information out there in various sources, and it varied a good deal from boat to boat, so you'll have to decide which sub you're going to build and research it. Early in the war U.S. subs were painted black overall. Later they switched to camouflage schemes using USN blue and neutral grey colors. (If you want accurate reference to the colors, you'll want our U.S. Navy Set 1 and Set 2 paint chips.) At quayside there would have been a good deal of repainting going on, with patches of red lead and fresh paint showing against the weathered finish of the sub. Returning boats would carry a broom lashed to the periscope if they had "swept the sea of everything encountered." They would also often fly a small white pennant with a red disc on it for each Japanese merchant ship sunk, or a small pennant with the rising sun on it for each Japanese warship sunk. >> f.) How was the sailor thinking about his sub? ("Just a tool for use"? or more like "If you scratch the varnish of my car, I will kill you"?) << That's the most difficult to answer. Crews of successful subs clearly had pride in their boats, but probably not to the point of "scratch it and I'll kill you." Crews then were individuals, just as they are now. When I was in the USN there were many aboard my ship who had a lot of pride in her, and lots of others who saw her as just something they had to endure. If you can find a copy of "U.S. Subs in action" by Squadron/Signal you'll find photos and color views that will answer many of your questions. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys http://www.shipcamouflage.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com Subject: Re: Classic Warships new books: outstanding! Hi All, I'd like to second what Loren Perry has said about Classic Warship's publications. IMHO, no finer set of general reference for a given subject exists; especially at this price!!! The books prove that depth of quality and accuracy doesn't necessarily have to cost you an arm and a leg. These books would be bargains at twice the price!!! If you plan on modeling any of these subjects, pick up a copy. If not, pick them up for the photo quality and historical value. I have already pre-ordered any that come out!!!!. Regards, John P.S. No connection to Classic Warships, just a satisfied customer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: The Other S-Boat (submarines - US)? Try the US National Archives for both copies of original USN blueprints and photos. Also try the US Naval Historical Center for photos. Try The Floating Drydock for a set of drawings. All of the above are accessible thru the SteelNavy.com and many other web sites. Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: JVT7532@aol.com Subject: Tramp Steamer Greetings, I am asking the list this question again because I did not receive any responce from my last post on this question and would appriciate any help in finding a nice small 1/350 kit of a WWll era Tramp Steamer. If anyone know of a kit that is available would they please contact me with any information they have. Thanks to all, Best regards, Jon -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Dave Judy Subject: Re: Detroit Joe, The vertical should be aprox.1" and the after two should be aprox. 2 1/4". You might allow 1/16" extra to glue into the resin parts. The Last page in the instructions show a scale drawing, you can take measurments directly off them. Dave Judy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "bobsmail" Subject: Sydney RAN Open Day Hi All, Just to let anyone who can make it know about the Open Day at Woolloomooloo, Sydney on Sunday 18th Feb. Ideal for those about to embark on the build of the WEM C.F.Adams or the (just Tiddly) Lee FFG's. Maybe somebody there can tell me why Aussie ships have all black bottom hulls as opposed to the usual red with black boottop. Bob Mac Yes, Woolloomooloo is a real place. Hi Bob, Thanks mate, this will be a chance to romp over GI again looking at the "Steel cat" & others ;-)) Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Sean Obrien Subject: Re: Hunley Just by clearing the silt away the divers were able to see how different the actual ship is from the popular idea and the full size museum replica. So very slender and much more modern in appearance. We've dug up mummies, moved whole graveyards, and built over graveyards. I certainly can't see anything wrong with giving the dead a proper burial and furthuring our knowledge of, and recognizing, their true achievement. We may be truly surprised and amazed at the technology on the inside. S.O'B. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Peter K. H. Mispelkamp Subject: U571, Mirage Kits, and a Revell Atlantis U571 I did stumble across one dealer's website that mentioned this kit - as well as two other variants of their Mazur kit - one in a German WWI guise, and another just before it was destroyed by a boiler accident in 1925. I'm glad the kit is of a Type VIIC, and will probably try to get my soon to be glue and paint stained mits on it soon! I am puzzled by the fact that the Mirage website does not list any of these three kits, but does list the ORP DDs Wicher, Burza - not mention one of their French sisterships - as well as a slew of Type IX U-Boats as new projects. No mention of the Conrad or Dragon though! A Revell-Germany Atlantis: If they are going to release one I really hope they do so in 1/400 - better match with the traditional Euro scale, and there are still more KM ships in this scale than 1/350. Sincerely Peter K. H. Mispelkamp -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: S-Boats (submarines) Ned Looks like you covered all the bases..... BWN makes a nice resin kit of S-26. SubCommittee members have built working S-boat models. As far as submarine websites, the "mother of all submarine websites" is for my money, Ron Martini's submarine page. All subs, all aspects, with a gazillion (>1000) links. It's at: http://main.wavecom.net/~rontini/ronpage.html Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Gato (Give me more) >> There are some topics which have been coming up several times in the e-mails. Yes, the scale is 1/35 (NOT 1/350). And yes this is big. (Yes, I am also not married:-) ) And yes I am mad. << No comment...... it's over 9 feet in length. Hint, build it real close to where you want to display it.... >> The painting of the subs (Comouflage? Are there some special signs on the turrets, like at the german subs? How looked a retouring boat, when it has sunken some ships?) << Depending on the stage of the war, the camo pattern would be different. Early war was basic dull black (Ms 9). Later it got more intersting with gray shades (Ms 32). The subs usually displayed some pennants of Japanese flags representing ships sunk when returning to port. >> How was the sailor thinking about his sub? ("Just a tool for use"? or more like "If you scratch the varnish of my car, I will kill you"?) << Well, there's this complex machine that is going to carry you 300-400 ft underwater and keep you from getting killed.....probably more like the latter..... Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "Ralph Batykefer" Subject: USS Vance Thanks for the assistance so far on my project of converting an APD (former Buckley) into a DER in 1/350th scale. Especially from Jon Warnke at Iron Shipwright for the starting point of my model. Some items I want to get information/details from fellow SMMLies. 1. I will be using an Evart's class stack to replace the Buckley. 2. Where can I find a 1/350th SPS-28, SPS-10, and TACAN antennae. 3. Where can I find a 1/350th enclosed twin 3" 50. cal gun mount. 4. Does anyone offer a drawing of a DER (radar picket ship)? If they are not available as aftermarket parts, I will need drawings or good photos to make them myself. Anyone out there know the answers to my questions? Thanks ahead of time. IHS, Ralph -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: NAVYDAZE@aol.com Subject: Re: Sea Classics? Yup, they are still around and have been producing some pretty good articles lately - especially about mothballed ships and target vessels and so on. You can contact them at: Sea Classics P.O. Box 16149 North Hollywood, Ca 91615 Mike Donegan NAVYDAZE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: Rhino's Tsesarievicz Hi Rhino, I have bought ModelKrak's ship boats,and they seems to be just what you need to replace Kombrig's ones. Have a look in your spare parts box too,some of WW II 1/700 ship boats are identical in shape and size to the ones you need. Some of modern davits can be used also with the minimum of retouching, if not, than brass rod of proper diameter should do the trick. The only problem is that davits are not of uniform thickness and tend to taper towards the top end. Any chance of scanning of a photo of ship's hull closeup?? I would really like to know how accurate the Kombrig kit is. Regards D.P. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "Sean D. Hert" Subject: M-Class Subs Hello SMMLies Anyone know of a good reference for the British M-class subs? How about some plans sources? A sub with a 12" gun- I think I may be in love.... Sean D. Hert -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: John Maze Subject: Model "reissue" SMMLies: Picked this up from a mail order newsletter - Eastern Express is issuing the former Frog 1/415 HMS Tiger. JohnM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: "John Sutherland" Subject: Ships Boats & Davits RhinoBones Suggest you have a look at the 1/700 scale Equipment Parts for IJN&RN Vessels. It caters for that era and most Russian warships bore resemblance to RN designs. It has a range of boats (11 types) and davits (4 types) plus a heap of other goodies. Can't be more specific as I can't translate Japanese but I think the boats are of the following sizes - 20ft, 27ft (2 types), 42ft, 36ft, 56ft, 30ft (3 types), 7m, and 14ft. They are beautifully moulded, very detailed, Skywave quality, 2 sprues to a box. Box says kit is made by "SealsModels" - Hobbylink Japan sell it as "InterAride". Regards John Sutherland -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: "John Sutherland" Subject: Classic Warships Light AA set Can I hope this set is in 1/700th scale??? John Sutherland -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: "JAmes McCormick" Subject: Re: Hunley raising Gentlemen, I have read your aguments for raising the Hunley, and I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. I personally don't see what is to be learnedfrom the Hunley. Some sort of radical construction method? How to die a terrible death is an iron tube? At any rate, I still feel a grave shuold not be disturbed. Frankly, I don't know how often graves are moved, but I do agree is happens-although I don't see how the world benefits so greatly from a new Walmart or such. Real estate isn't that precious, although I have been told wars were fought over it ;-). I may be old fashioned in this sense, but my initial feelings is to let them lay in peace. Besides, I saw Poltergeist and the Amityville Horror;-). On another note, how long do you think it will be before the leberals and tree huggers get wind of this issue? If you think a big deal is/was being made over the Ga state flag, and it's Confederate heritage, how do you think the left(?) will react to an instrument of a government that promoted slavery being made into a monument/ museum display? I personally don't give a hill of beans what they say, but the whole can of worms will get blown WAY out of proportion. STTA. Hi gang, I think we should call this thread closed now, before it start going down paths we may not wish to go. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) From: ironship@usit.net (Jon Warneke) Subject: Re: ISW USS DETROIT help needed Hi Joe, >> Starting my first resin ship, the Iron Shipwright 1/350 USS Detroit. Can anyone tell me how long the fwd upper bridge(?) supports need to be? (Those tripod legs) Any other tips? I have read many articals on building resin ships and decided to take the plunge. <, Sorry about the confusion on the instructions. The drawings for the bridge are 1:1 with the kit itself, and were meant to be used as a template for the length of the struts. Jon Warneke Commander Series Models, Inc. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Shane Subject: SMML site update Hi all, Well, Mike has been able to upload some more stuff to the site (url at the bottom) despite being ill. The archives are now up-to-date and indexed; so any resubbers due to the "crash of 2001" can get back up todate now. We also have two new reviews - first there is a comparison review of WEM & Toms 1/700 KGV PE sets care of Chris Langtree. Plus Loren Perry takes a look at the Classic Warships 1/700 USS Wichita. In the next few days, once Mike is fully fit, we'll have some more additions going up. Remember if you have anything you'd like to put up on the site, just contact myself or Mike. Regards, Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Tom & Carolyn Harrison" Subject: New brass from Tom's Modelworks Set 2004 1/200 scale IJN Destroyer New brass from Tom's Modelworks. Set 2004 1/200 scale IJN Destroyer. This set designed to be used on the Nichimo kits, the set contains rails, rail netting, radars, depth charge racks and more, you can see this set on our web page www.tomsmodelworks.com cost of this is $20.00 and will be shipped free to any SMML member. set also available from Pacific Front Hobbies. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Bob Pearson" Subject: Trade: AOTS Yamato for AOTS Agassiz I would like to do a straight trade of my copy of AOTS: The Battleship Yamato for a copy of AOTS: The Flower Class Corvette Agassiz. Anyone interested please contact me offlist. Regards, Bob Pearson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: 1/700 USS Wichita available @ Pacific Front Hobbies I am shipping a small batch of 1/700 USS Wichita kits to Pacific Front Hobbies today. They should be there by Wednesday next week. This is the first is a series of kits as I rebuild my resin kit business. I will announce more updates as I ship to Pacific Front Hobbies. Correction to my post yesterday. The Salem Museum will be carrying the 1/350 Salem kit, as well as Pacific Front Hobbies, when I get it out in the next month or two. I will be phasing my kits back into production over the six months, and coming out with new subjects as well. As I do each, I will make announcements with each subject. Please watch for the announcements, and, sorry, I dont have time for particular questions about when this or that kit may be coming out. Again, please watch for the announcements. I am also trying to catch up on parts replacement, which is slow, as many molds need to be remade. Thanks for your patience, and I do apologize for any inconvenience. Thanks, Steve Wiper @ www.classicwarships.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Update on Classic Warships Books I am well into the caption writing stage of books #11 and #13. Book #12 is the Benson/Gleaves Class Destroyers, and I am running into information overload on that one. I have attained over 250 photos on the Benson type alone, which makes up only one-third of the entire Benson/Gleaves class. So, you can see my problem. Therefor, I am going to print #11 Lexington Class Carriers, and #13 IJN Kongo Class Battleships next. Look for these in April, this year. I plan to run the #12 Benson/Gleaves Class Destroyers next with either the Nevada Class Battleships or the New Mexico Class Battleships in the fall. Then whichever one of those does not run next, I will run the other with, now this is only a possible at this time, KM Hipper Class Cruisers. The Hipper's are looking good at this time with 245 photos of the class collected, and counting. I would like to take the time and explain something. There is a reason why I call some of my books a PHOTO ALBUM! That means that book will only contain PHOTOS! Nothing else. I have heard some complaints about the fact that some books, labeled PHOTO ALBUM, dont contain drawings. Some people have even asked for drawings of ships at a date when no known official drawing exist. I will not guess at a drawing of that type, because it has the bad habit of perpetuating itself, like the myth of the green camo on the Graf Spee. Also, there are drawings currently in circulation at many of the vendors selling such, which is why I list these sources in the back of each book. I think that I give you the best bang for the buck, more so than any other publisher, with the amount of photos at the quality I reproduce them at. Remember. I dont always have a perfect photo to start with. I do the best I can with what I have. Thank You, Steve Wiper @ www.classicwarships.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Model Ship Journal Autumn 2000 Sold Out The Autumn 2000 issue (Volume 1, Number 1) of Model Ship Journal has sold out. But, we still have back issues available for the premier Summer 2000 issue, (Volume One, Issue Zero). For many ship modelers, that cover shot of Loren Perry's USS Arizona was too hard to resist and the Autumn issue really sold quickly when it hit back-issue status. Prospective subscribers may find info about us by going to www.modelshipjournal.com. If in the U.S., you can contact us toll-free at (877) 371-0290 or (360) 371-0290 if outside the U.S. This model ship magazine has set a new standard in presenting quality models of the powered ship with outstanding photography and authorative writing. Victor Baca Editor & Publisher -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume