Subject: SMML VOL 1140 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 00:52:41 -0800 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Zhengdefu Chinese Cruisers 2: Adml Scheer 3: Re: Coast Guard Cutter Bear 4: PC vs Mac 5: Re: Mystery Cruiser 6: USCG Bear Cutter 7: Resin Pedestals 8: Re: RAM and Sea RAM 9: Fresnel lens 10: Re: Richelieu 11: Re: Tracing history 12: If You Voted For Ocean Liner Models Next Subject - Please Read This 13: Re: Another Sea RAM question 14: ROG Releases 15: Re: MAC Attack 16: Re: Color Scheme USCGC BEAR 17: Talking to vets 18: Re: Displaying ships 19: Re: Tracing history 20: USCGC BEAR colors 21: Re: Skipjack and G-class submarines 22: THREAD SIZES 23: Re: 1/4"-28 screws 24: Modelers Boatyard 25: Re: more on Golf class 26: Desk colour of USS Alabama (BB-60) today 27: USS Squalus survivor dies 28: Re: 1/4" - 28 screws 29: S-100 Revel model 30: USS Mindoro -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation 1: SMML Webmaster's forced vacation 2: Small Warships SIG Website -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Ship for sale 2: GRAF ZEPP AIRGROUP IN 1/700 SCALE 3: February Internet Modeler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: John Maze Subject: Zhengdefu Chinese Cruisers SMMLies, What, if any, is the difference (other than scale!) between the 1/250 and 1/300 scale pre-WWI Zhengdefu Chinese cruisers? The only pic/artwork I've seen for the 1/300 kit is dramatic, but it doesn't really give any idea what the superstructure/armament looks like. JohnM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "denis james" Subject: Adml Scheer Have seen some talk on the scheers colours. Has the question been resolved. Following the refit in 42 was it a splinter scheme of 2 greys or a blue grey. Was the main deck natural dark teak. Im blding (SLOWLY) the Heller kit. When researching her i see from the photos that the main belt armour comes above the first level of scuttles. The kits is below. Rightly or wrongly ive added it to the model and will also add the degausing cable. Bryer gives the spee the higher armour but photos dont lie,or do they. rgds drj -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Ed Grune Subject: Re: Coast Guard Cutter Bear Bruce wrote about the new Bear-class cutter from JAG seeking some color information The decks should be the same dark gray as current US Navy practices, which according to S&S should be FS 36008. The helo deck will be darker. The HH-60J Jayhawk supplied in the kit should be white with a dayglo red/orange nose. Look up a USCG photo site on the web and check out the nose marking pattern. The type of helo that really belongs on this craft is an Aerospatile [sp] Dauphin. WEM has had one on their product list for more than a year now with the delivery date of SOON. Come on Caroline - when is it going to be SOON? Ed Mansfield. TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Bergschöld Pelle Subject: PC vs Mac Dear Mr Baca Although I do agree with you on the issue as long as we are discussing graphic applications, please spare us the MAC vs PC debate. There are a multitude of other fora where that debate is eternally rolling around. Please let us keep this list shiprelated. All the best Pelle SWE Yeah, I agree - it's gone from a bit of fun stirring each other, to getting serious. Fine if you can keep the humour in without getting serious, but this is not a place for that eternal debate. Shane - who uses PC versions of Mac programs & has no hassles with either format -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: CA139JOHNF@aol.com Subject: Re: Mystery Cruiser Reference books not handy but my choice would be San Francisco (CA38). Kamikazi incident was in April '45 I believe. John Frohock usnsm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Rod Dauteuil Subject: USCG Bear Cutter I just completed this little gem, a full review of which will appear soon in the "Rajendra" ship model list. I painted the decks with Testors Euro I Gray which, although some purists may not concur, seemed to match color photos of the Bear I found on the internet. As far as the helicopter, be careful because the photo on the tube shows an HH65 Dolphin, but the kit provides an HH60 Jayhawk. The Coast Guard has different paint schemes for the Jayhawk and Dolphin. WEM's home page claims to have an Aerospatiale Dolphin coming out soon in 1/700 scale. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: Resin Pedestals James McCormick proposed the idea of casting finials/pedestals in resin. I've thought of pouring some RTV around a finial/pedestal and doing just that. I've not done it for 2 major reasons: 1) I want a brass pedestal because I want a gleaming, polished, finished look to it. I've found that even the best casting with the hardest resin still produces a surface that is porous and flawed when a metal paint is applied. You've seen it yourself on your first natural metal airplane finish. An application of metalizer or Rub-n-Buff, or whatever isn't going to give me the appearance I want. I will have to do additional surface prep time to minimize these surface flaws to get the appearance I want. 2) Commercially available pedestals or cut-down finials have a hole through them that facilitates the semi-permenant attachment of the ship to the base via a screw or bolt. Any pedestal that I might cast wouldn't have had this hole. This would have necessitiated accurately placing the finial in the drillpress vice and boring out the hole. Neither of these reasons present a technical bar to doing this. But they are time consuming operations that would take way from the prime time activity. Its called ship modeleing - not pedestal modeling. For a buck and a half I can buy a couple of finials & cut off their tops. A shot of Krylon clear to seal the brass against tarnish & allow it to dry. Then I'm ready to run the bolt up through the pre-existng hole and I'm in business. I have seen metal-filled resins that look quite good when they are polished. This is a possibility - but would it be more costly than a buck and a half at the hardware store? My thougths on the subject. Count me in the NO column for the product survey, Ed Mansfield, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: RAM and Sea RAM I got a reply from Raytheon regarding the RAM and Sea RAM weapon systems. I also got a number of replies from some of you. Here's the final answer. It seems that this group was well informed on both these weapon systems. I say both because they are indeed two separate systems. The RAM system is the same missile system as the Sea RAM. The only difference is it's guidance system is controlled by the ship it's installed on. So there's no need for the radar/dome. The Sea RAM is an autonomous system with it's own built in radar and sighting system, therefore using the radar dome and optical sighting system hung on the outside of the dome. I have photos coming in the mail to aid me with the master patterns for the missile box as well as some info coming from Raytheon. Look for 1/35 scale models of both these systems very soon. If you're interested in a 1/35 scale Block 1 CIWS, check out my web site. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. You can now pay using your Visa / MasterCard Flagship Models - Photo Etched Details for Warships -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: Fresnel lens Hello SMMLies The plans and photos of the Stonehorse Lightship in the current issue of Victor Baca's Model Ship Journal have intrigued me. I've photocopied the lines and glued them on a block of basswood. Now I need to find a neighbor with a bandsaw. (I have a few leads). The lightship's red hull, white name & deckhouse, and spar topworks will stand out from even the gaudiest MS3x camo pattern. My question regards the Fresnel lens light. Are there any suggestions for constructing this? In 1:1 scale its a stack of polished optical glass lenses. I'm working in 1:192 scale - directly from the Journal's plans. Ed Mansfield, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "J. London" Subject: Re: Richelieu Brian Korbelik's recent posting about a Mr. Stan Matthews' experiences aboard NEVADA was most interesting. There is, however, one error in that she could hardly have sunk RICHELIEU at Toulon during the invasion of Southern France in 1944 as that ship, having completed reconstruction and modernization in New York in 1943, was serving with the British Eastern Fleet in the Indian Ocean at that time. He may be referring to either DUNKERQUE or STRASBOURG that had both made their way to Toulon after the debacle at Mers-el-Kebir (Oran) in July 1940. They were scuttled at Toulon in November 1942 during the German invasion of formerly unoccupied Southern France. Michael London -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Roland Mar Subject: Re: Tracing history >> A friend is trying to find a bio on: Admiral John Drayton Wainwright Sounds like it could be either USN or RN or Canadian, Australian or New Zealand navies. << TO: John Kutina RE: John Drayton Wainwright There is a US RADM of that name buried at Arlington. b. 1878 d. 1965. Buried next to, and probably related to, COL. John Wainwright who won the Medal of Honor at Ft. Fisher, NC. this might give your friend some leads to work from. HTH, Roland Mar -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Felix Bustelo Subject: If You Voted For Ocean Liner Models Next Subject - Please Read This Hi There, About a week ago I posted an announcement that I set up a voting form through my website,International Maritime Modeling, which you can use to help Ocean Liner Models determine what their follow-up kit to the just released 1/600 scale resin/brass Normandie should be. It appears that some votes may not have come through to me. I am using a process available to Tripod members that will read the results from my voting form and email them to me. Apparently, Tripod may not be able to process votes intermittantly. When you vote, make sure you click the submit button. You will get a screen with a confirmation that the vote has been sent to this process. The final step will be that I will reply to those who voted and provided an email address to confirm that your vote was indeed received via email. If you have already voted, please check your email inbox for this message, which I sent out this morning to all of you who have already voted. If you voted and have not received this message, then please vote again. If you already voted, thanks! If you voted and it got lost in limbo land, then I am sorry for this hassle. Thanks, Felix Bustelo International Maritime Modeling URL: http://members.tripod.com/~Febus65/imm.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: SeaPhoto@aol.com Subject: Re: Another Sea RAM question Hi Rusty, Every unit that I have seen in the Fleet does not have a radar dome on the unit, just the box launcher on a CIWS type base. Kurt Greiner SeaPhoto Maritime Photography http://warshipphotos.com Warship Models Underway http://warshipmodelsunderway.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Mark C Krumrey" Subject: ROG Releases Greetings list: I am also quite confident that the USS SKipjack is the old Aurora kit. Revell/Monogram re-released the old Aurora Jaguar XKE under their SSP releases. It had the vintage box art with the two pilots "Ogling" the car with a couple of F-102's, or 106's in the background. The only difference was the Revell/Monogram logo on the upper corner. So. This is not conclusive evidence, but all the indicators are there. The Wasp is obviously, new tooling, as they can't rehash the LHA's as the new Wasp Class. As to the difference between an LHA and an LHD. Practically none, they are a little more capable, but still have the same mission. I think the LHD well deck is larger and can accomodate two LCAC's. I have been on both types of ships, and have asked what makes them different, and the only answer I got was that one is an LHA and the other is an LHD. I am sure the internal components, such as the work spaces for Marines, and the Landing Force Operations Center, (LFOC) are more capable on the LHD, vice the LHA. FWIW. I have on ebay a Matchbox 1/72 Flower Class Corvette, with extra goodies, such as the David Parkins PE, a book "Canada's Flowers", some H&R White Metal K guns, etc, and some pertinent sprue with guns off the Tamiya Perkasa PT Boat. $100.00 starts the bidding. No takers thus far. Mark Krumrey -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "megden" Subject: Re: MAC Attack First let me make it VERY clear I am NOT a computer expert but I know several people who are and in their professional opinion a GOOD PC using a proper CAD program will give better results than a MAC with a Graphics Program when doing technical draughting programs such as is used in the design of PE items. Conversley, a MAC with a Graphics Prog will be much easier to use and give better results when working with photo enhancement and designing posters etc. To illustrate this point, look at the superb PE sets in the Flightpath and Firingline ranges The F 15 Tailpipe set and the Rapier AA missile set are, to my mind the Peak of the Art of Photoetching. I haven't seen the sets for the Corvette yet but I understand from several sources that the quality is even higher, though the question of the use of PE for certain items in the range has been raised. That I think is a matter of personal preference. Denis W Keegan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Re: Color Scheme USCGC BEAR The correct color scheme for the modern USCGC Bear is White hull above waterline with Black boot-topping. Below waterline is "Red Lead" color. The decks are a uniform Medium-Dark Gray with Darker Gray for the anti-skid panels on the decks (Pactra's Dark Gray Primer is a close match). Radio call sign lettering is shown on the highest weather deck with Red letters on a Black rectangular field. Normally, the fittings such as masts (Black on BEAR Class), ensign staffs, davits, booms, funnels (NOTE: BEAR Class funnels are White), chocks etc are are a "buff" color known by the USCG as Spar, which can be easily mixed and is very close to the old Great White Fleet USN Buff color. White FS is not used Spar FS10371 Black FS is not used Receiving antennae: Blue FS15123 Transmitting Antennae Red FS11105 Cargo Handling Blocks Yellow FS13538, all others Spar Boarding Ladders Spar Fire Pump Covers Red FS11105 Gasoline Drums Yellow FS13538 on Spar colored stands or racks Hose Racks saddles and Reels Red FS11105 Searchlights Ususally Spar or White Painted Riging Black Ventilators Spar Wood on Gangplanks, Cap Railing etc Oil or Varnish Life Rings and Crew PFDs International Orange FS12197 Life Rings Fluorescent Orange FS28915 Pilot house Visor underside (CO's Discretion) Blue Gray FS16099 Helicopter is International Orange FS12197, White tail band Anchor Chain Black Hull Lettering Black USCG Diagonal Hull Stripe Red FS12199*, White, Blue FS15182. *The color of the stripe's broad band is more of an International Orange color than Red as specified in CG263, "U.S. Coast Guard Coatings & Color Manual" and for cutters of the 1990s, you would be more accurate using an International Orange toned down just a little by adding a minute bit of Red to the paint. The broad Orange stripe has a prominent USCG Emblem. Hull lettering on cutters of the 1990s era should read "U.S. Coast Guard" Earlier cutters from 1967 to the late 1980s have only the words "Coast Guard" on the hull. Victor Baca Editor And Publisher MODEL SHIP JOURNAL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Keith Butterley Subject: Talking to vets Hi all, When I was visting the Naval Museum in Calgary last October, I got talking to the gentleman manning the reception booth. He wa a veteran and had served aboard the HMS Belfast and a couple of corvettes, whose names I have forgotten. The one thing I clearly remember about our conversations, was the painting of the ships. He said at the end of the day they use to just chuck the brushes in to the water and that there would be hundreds of them floating around. Can you imagine doing that in todays eco-conscious society? Happy modeling Keith Butterley -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: Re: Displaying ships In Item no. 20 of SMML VOL 1139, about mounting of your model in a sort of drydock setting, I neglected to say that the keel-blocks and the cribbage should be glued in place before drilling etc. Another twist is to add some ladders and some staging, and have some supplies laying around, as though hull repairs were in progress while the vessel is in drydock, and it is Sunday, so the yardworkers are in church, therefore no human figures are needed (coward that I am). Franklyn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Mike Settle Subject: Re: Tracing history >> A friend is trying to find a bio on: Admiral John Drayton Wainwright Sounds like it could be either USN or RN or Canadian, Australian or New Zealand navies. << His Father, Medal of Honor recipient, Colonel John Wainwright is buried at Arlington Cemetery, so I would say USN. The Colonel's bio is at: http://www.arlingtoncemetery.com/jwain.htm My internet search did not turn up anything on the Admiral, other than mentioning him in his Father's bio. Mike Settle I am not agent #1908 of the non-existent Lumber Cartel (tinlc)tm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "Reynaga, Tim@EDD" Subject: USCGC BEAR colors >> I just purchased the new 1/700 JAG kit of the Bear. I looks to be a fine kit and includes the decals for thorange stripe on the bow. What it does not include are painting instructions. From the color photo on the box top you can tell it has a white hull and upperworks with black masts and either a red or orange helocopter. Anyone know what color the decks are and the correct color of the helo? << Bruce, I'm not sure of the precise colors, but modern Coast Guard cutters ave gray decks similar to USN vessels. They appear a little more bluish in photographs, but this may just be the result of juxtaposition with the gleaming white vertical surfaces. The helo is orange. A great source of information is the USCGC BEAR website at: http://www.uscg.mil/lantarea/cutter/bear/ There are quite a few excellent pictures of the ship, including several showing her decks and the helicopter. Other good references can be found at the US Coast Guard website for the 270 foot Medium Endurance Cutters (WMECs) at: http://www.uscg.mil/datasheet/270wmec.htm and the websites for the various other units of the BEAR class such as the TAMPA http://www.uscg.mil/lantarea/cutter/tampa/ The photos should give you a pretty good idea of the colors you need. Tim Reynaga -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Skipjack and G-class submarines >> It would be great to see this kit reissued - I would then beg WEM or Nautilus Models or MB BWN for a new hull - one can but hope. Unlike Bill Clinton, living in Hope << It HAS been done in resin by Pitroad Seawolf Torpedo. A very nice Golf II is available; got my copy from Pacific Front. Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "DUCKMAN" Subject: THREAD SIZES HOW ABOUT BUYING A 1/4-28 TAP AND CAREFULLY RUNNING THRU THE 1/4-20 HOLES? IT WILL WORK. DAVID -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: Marc Flake Subject: Re: 1/4"-28 screws I went to the Ace Hardware today, the 1/4"-28 screws didn't fit in the lamp riser either. However, the guy (he was about 30-35) looked around, pulled out a drawer full of metric screws and found a perfect match -- 6mm! I bought eight, but the longest they had were only 3/4" long. That still leaves 1/2" sticking out when it's screwed in. I'll just have to make sure I drill the board accordingly. Marc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: Marc Flake Subject: Modelers Boatyard I went to this site and it has got to be the worst designed website I've ever visited. Couldn't find any sign of brass pedestals. The site didn't even have a search function. Many of the links were to other suppliers, like Shaya's Naval Base. A little help, please. Where can we find the brass pedestals on this site? Marc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: more on Golf class >> (question for Tom - do these blades have a scimitar- crescent shape?). The 5 bladed "speed propeller" are paddle type blades, not crescent shaped. After the problem with "blade rate" low frequency noise (which carries for a great distance underwater), the propellers were redesigned as 7 bladed crescent shaped blades (actually the shape is very precise). With this design, only a small section of the blade was in the wake from the rudder and stern planes at any given instant in the rotation. I also agree with Tom about hull of Aurora G-class sub - in this kit the hull is basically a cylindrical tube whereas my understanding of the real thing is that it was a stretched derivative of the Foxtrot class, << The G-class is indeed a Foxtrot variant, with the stretched sail to accomodate the missile tubes. I have comparative drawings of the two classes. As David Wells pointed out, there may or may not have been a bulged area under the sail to accomodate the full length of the larger SS-4 missile. There is also some confusion as to whether a keel mounted sonar dome was present some distance back from the bow. This sonar dome is present on the Pitroad Torpedo/Seawolf resin model; the under sail bulge is not. Right now an old poorly assembled Aurora Golf class has been purposely mangled and sawed in half (just aft of the sail) for a diorama. I am building a wrecked interior for the "break" area and the mangled bow. A scratchbuilt lifting claw (AKA "Clementine") deployed from the Glomar Explorer will be about to scoop up the submarine hull. The claw will resemble the device seen on the PBS special on submarine cold war operations, and on the book "A Matter of Risk". I have been assured that the representation of the lifting device on PBS was pretty close by someone who was there. Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: Bruce Burden Subject: Desk colour of USS Alabama (BB-60) today >> From the photos I have seen, the Alabama has mainly raw teak desks today but some of the deck is painted. Can anyone tell me what colour these sections are currently painted? << As I recall from my visit a little over 1.5 years ago, the deck is all raw teak, and in fairly poor shape at that. Aside from new planks of teak here and there, it was a pretty uniform middle grey color. I don't remember any areas that were painted, off hand. Bruce -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: MDDoremus@aol.com Subject: USS Squalus survivor dies Folks, thought this was worth sharing from the local paper: Daniel Persico, 82 a retired sailor who was one of the last living survivors of a daring submarine rescue mission off the New Hampshire coast in 1939, died Friday in Amsterdam, NY. He was aboard the USS Squalus when it sank in the Atlantic Ocean about 15 miles offshore. Twenty-six of the submarine's 59-member crew died; the 33 others had to wait until a Navy diving bell could be lowered 240 feet to rescue them. Persico spent his entire naval career in submarines, retiring in 1956. He was awarded a Bronze Star. Thank you Dan. Mark Doremus Eden Prairie, MN -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: isublett@home.com Subject: Re: 1/4" - 28 screws By Gesu! as Queen Elizabeth used to say. These ship modellers have the damnedest time trying to screw a hull to a piece of wood! Pirie Sublett (who has ten not very limber thumbs) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: "Doug Wilde" Subject: S-100 Revel model Thanks to Doug for the URL to Revel Germany. The fourth ship listed is their S-boat model. At last a picture. It is S100. Should look very nice next to Airfix's S10. I just looked through my Christian Schmidt "Plane fur Schiffsmodellbauer" catalog and they sell plans for the S100. My question: What is the quality of these plans, both with regard to completeness and accuracy? They sell quite a range on very interesting topics: freighters, ferries, sailing ships, pre-WWI warships, Mississippi riverboats. Doug Wilde -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) From: "aa8." Subject: USS Mindoro Hello everyone, A friend of mine served on the USS Mindoro in I think the late 40's or early 50's. Two things. First, I have no information on this ship at all. So could someone tell me what class, where built, service history, and sadly, where and when broken up. Second, Is there a kit of her or her sisters available? Any scale, any medium, but a bigger scale preferred--1/600th and smaller tends to leave me feeling that I have needles stuck in my eyes. I look forward to hearing from all you flat-top specialists Kind Regards Andy Jones -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Shane Subject: SMML Webmaster's forced vacation Hi gang, Due to Mike's computer being on the fritz, with no telling how long it'll be down, I'll be looking after the site in the short term. So, until further notice, could all submissions be sent to my "normal" account of: mailto:sljenkins@tac.com.au I'll code things up in preparation of Mike's return & send them through then. So we'll look forward to many member's models pictures, articles & reviews coming through. Regards, Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Leslie Brown" Subject: Small Warships SIG Website The website has just been updated with the February 2001 issue. I hope you all find it interesting. Regards Les Brown -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Pletscher-Lenz-Schneider" Subject: Ship for sale A client of mine is offering the former Kriegsmarine aviso/U-boat tender HELA for sale. She was given to the Russians after WW II where she served with the Black Sea Fleet as ANGARA. In the 1950s she was disarmed and rebuilt as a government's yacht in which role she served until 1996. She is now offered at 2.0 mio. US-Dollars. I know most of you SMMLies don't have that much money to spend for a 1/1 scale ship. But this is honestly no joke. Falk Pletscher -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "WEM" Subject: GRAF ZEPP AIRGROUP IN 1/700 SCALE Hi Guys, In response to Peter Mispelkamp's communiques, and his dogged determination to get the numbers together, we have the following entering production (Thanks to Brian Fawcett for expediting this work for us). AS7276 Fieseler Fi 67 (for Revell Graf Zeppelin) (x3) 2.95 AS7277 Junkers Ju 87-C (for Revell Graf Zeppelin)(x3) 2.95 AS7278 Messerschmidt Bf 109 T's (for Revell Graf Zeppelin) (x5) 2.95 AS7279 Messerschmidt Bf 109 E's (x5) 2.95 For those of you who ordered, the wait is almost over ;^)) Please contact me, Caroline, if anyone else would like to place a pre-order with us to help Brian determine final numbers. Thanks! Caroline Carter White Ensign Models From a nippy Sacramento.. brrrrr!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Bob Pearson" Subject: February Internet Modeler Greetings all, The February issue of Internet Modeler is now live. This time around we have the following naval content: Flower class corvettes, IJN MInekaze, and more Flower class corvettes. There is also a preview of the cover of the next volume of Alan Raven's RN Camouflage books Regards, Bob Pearson Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume