Subject: SMML VOL 1147 Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 22:36:38 -0800 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: USS Cabot 2: Re: Dutch Models 3: Re: old books/lacquer thinner 4: Surface slugfest (M.1 vs. Surcouf) 5: Digital Navy "Fuso" 6: Re: German Naval Airships 7: Translation for Japanese Ship Camo 8: Re: Titanic 9: HMAS Melbourne by Ross Gillett 10: US Navy Landing Ships/Craft, 1940-1945 11: Wooden planked decks 12: Life of a Ship 13: Re: Seehund Question 14: Merchant ship info 15: Re: Pearl Harbor Mystery Ship 16: Re: dutch plastic or resin ships models 17: Re: IJN improved-Agano class cruisers -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Kwai & Associates book on the Battleship Yamato -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: WestCelt@aol.com Subject: USS Cabot Is there is anyone out there who is in or near Brownsville, TX? If so I am in the market for photographs of the breaking-up of U.S.S. Cabot. I can either purchase the photographs are else trade then for ones from my collection of photographs of warships and merchant ships that I have been accumulating since 1976. John C. Driscoll -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "jefcat" Subject: Re: Dutch Models There are a number of kits in resin in 1/700 scale. For modern ships, Artitec has kits of some frigates (not the Tromp class frigates or the De Zeven Provincien class cruisers unfortunately...)and minesweepers. The Artitec minesweepers come in a set of three classes and include a kit of the World War 2 'Van Amstel' class). I heard/read somewhere that they were also going to do a 1/700 aircraft carrier Karel Doorman, but I haven't seen it advertised anywhere. For World War 2 vintage ships, HP Modell has several kits of cruisers (De Ruyter, Tromp, Java, Sumatra) and destroyers (Admiral class and Isaac Sweers)... These do require some work but build up nicely provided you are willing to add PE brass (not included in the kit) and do a bit of scratchbuilding. You can get these from www.nntmodell.com. I only wish they also did kits of the cruiser Heemskerck, the sloop Van Kinsbergen, the minelayer Willem van der Zaan, and the gunboats Flores and Soemba. In 1/1250 scale there is a much larger collection of Dutch ships including a lot of smaller vessels (sloops, minelayers, gunboats). Best wishes Jeffrey Roberts North Hollywood California -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Mike Settle Subject: Re: old books/lacquer thinner >> Agreed; I used to use lacquer thinner as well, and it does amazing things with enamels. It's also cheap and very plentiful. HOWEVER -- and I hate to be like a schoolmarm here, even though that's what I do for a living -- be VERY careful with this stuff! As a cancer survivor, I can tell you that you don't want to get this stuff on your hands, because it goes straight into you. I used to wash my hands with this stuff after painting, and used to use it without a respirator, and as a result grew a really nice tumor in one of my reproductive bits, which had to be removed. Ralph knew a guy -- the emphasis is on "knew" -- who used to wash his hands in MEK after painting, and that guy is now washing his hands in the great beyond. << Jodie is absolutely right, here. I have a spray booth, rubber gloves, and a respirator, and I use them all, regardless or the type of paint I use. And I still usually have to airbrush on a day off when the wife is at work because she still complains about the smell with anything but acrylics. I have to live long enough to finish all the models in my stash and to get old enough to be a burden on my children. :-) Mike Settle I am not agent #1908 of the non-existent Lumber Cartel (tinlc)tm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "George Hackett" Subject: Surface slugfest (M.1 vs. Surcouf) Greetings, I have found the discussion of M.1 with her 12-inch naval rifle most interesting. Suppose the M.1 had survived to confront the French Surcouf. In a surface engagement- who would be the victor? (Granting M.1 evolved her technologies to those of 1931.) Anyone know the current state of affairs with the wreck of the Surcouf? George Hackett -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: DarekL Subject: Digital Navy "Fuso" Hi All, there are some new pics on the Digital Navy website of their new and upcoming model of battleship Fuso in 1:250 scale. Made out of card of course. Check it out at; http://www.digitalnavy.com/fuso/ Darek -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: German Naval Airships Sean, I just happen to have a set of really good plans of L-31, or is it 32?, Whichever! They are the same. I believe in 1/200 scale. Contact me directly @ (520)748-2992 if you want me to sell you a copy. Steve Wiper www.classicwarships.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Translation for Japanese Ship Camo Hey Guys, Just got the new translation sheet from Pacific Front Hobbies of the Model Art book "Warship Colour". We finally have an English language version of painting of Japanese naval vessels, from a Japanese source. There is a lot of great info in this. This is the first part (Part 1), so I hope to see many more, which I have been told are being worked on. Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Keith Bender" Subject: Re: Titanic Hi SMMLies, Just want to say thank you to all who gave info on where to find Titanic plans. Looks like we have a winner, KTB -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: darsamr@supanet.com Subject: HMAS Melbourne by Ross Gillett Hi Shane, I'm not having much luck locating the book(here in the UK at least),can you suggest any suppliers or know of somebody who might be willing to part with their copy? All the best, Dave. Hi Dave, Sorry I have no idea where the book can be found at this stage. I got mine back in 1986, so it's more than likely well out of print. I suggest doing a search on the bookfinder sites & go from there. Sorry I can't be of more help :-(. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: US Navy Landing Ships/Craft, 1940-1945 http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/ships/ships-lc.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "John Rule" Subject: Wooden planked decks >> About the reddish-brown decks discussed recently in SMML. Although this recollection is of a term I heard some forty years ago, I vaguely remember a kind of steel called "maraging steel". It was supposed to develop a surface rust, but similar to copper-based alloys, the corrosion stopped there. It didn't continue to rust and be eaten away. << The material of which you speak is called Cor-Ten Steel, I believe. It is routinely used in bridge construction and quite often in steel sculptures. I have never heard of this material being used in ship construction. Perhaps one reason would be that who wants to see rust coloured warships. "Rust Brown and Under Way" doesn't have the same ring to it. Sincerely, John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "John Rule" Subject: Life of a Ship >> I know for sure that at different times commercial builders in the US have looked at it that way... if a ship is designed for a 20 year life they would consider it perfect design success if every single component was built just cheaply enough that they all functioned well for 20 years and all wore out simultaneously at 20 years and one second! << I believe in the auto trade it used to be known as the "Built-in Buggeration Factor". Sincerely John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Jeffry Fontaine" Subject: Re: Seehund Question Verlinden also had a resin Seehund available in 1/35th scale and the usual exhorbant price in the $70.00 range if I recall correctly. I had one for a short time and gave it to a friend of mine. I can say how accurate it was, but it looked like a Seehund and it was equipped with two torpedo's. Try the Verlinden web page at URL http://www.verlinden-productions.com/ and see if they still carry it. anf, Jeffry Fontaine Bremerton, Washington -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Don Myers Subject: Merchant ship info A few questions to the knowledgeable people on the list: Re: the C2-S-B1 WWII American merchant ship SS Great Republic: 1. Are there any libraries or archives in the UK which may have photos of this ship? She ported in Belfast, and Liverpool between her launching in 1943 and up to the Normandie invasion. She then ported in Antwerp and Cherbourg. 2. Also looking for a source of convoy assignment records listing ship position, etc. for specific convoy #'s (CU to UC) and (UC to CU) series. 3. What color(s) were merchant ships painted mid '43 to end of war? Was there a standard color different or similar to American and RN warships? Are the S&S paint chips applicable here? 4. Re: the book Working Scale Ship Model Merchant Ships by Tom Gorman, and being released in paperback by USNI: Can anyone offer a comment as to the contents and applicability to a novice who chose a ship for which scratchbuilding is necessary? 4. Last, anyone out there with a collection of Scale Ship Modeler dating back to '90 '91 time frame? Have interest in specific articles. Thanks in advance with any information you can provide. Don -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Craig R Bennett Subject: Re: Pearl Harbor Mystery Ship Hi Guys Concerning the USS Pelias AS -14 and her neighbors at the time of the Pearl Harbor attack. I don't have the book he uses as a reference but I do have the book Pearl Harbor Attack by Robert Sumerall part of his Ship's Data series copyright 1974 has a map of Pearl Harbor and all ship locations. In front of the Pelias was the Widegon ASR-1(to the right). She did measure 188.5 ft long.That's close to destroyer size. To the left of the Pelias was YR-20 then PT's 25, 23, 21, 24, 20 and 22. The Widegon was used to get men out the of sunken ships after the air raid.I hope this is of help. Craig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Fernando Espinoza" Subject: Re: dutch plastic or resin ships models I am very thankfull of John Kutina and Bergschold Pelle for taking time in answering my request. Thanks guys. By the way is Artitec the only Dutch Enterprise who cares about ship modelling? FEED -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Dboykap@aol.com Subject: Re: IJN improved-Agano class cruisers Gernot: Let's face it, you just can't leave home without it (Lacroix & Wells). L & W has a short section on this design, pp. 602- 609 plus summary data pp. 828-829. Essentially, their take is that it is an improved Agano design rather than a new design, to act as flotilla flagships for the proposed Shimikaze-type DD divisions (32 ships). After delving thru the various Naval General Staff revisions & permutations, I can report that this proposed class was changed from four ships under the original Circle 5 Program to five, then cut down to two ships under the modified Circle 5 of late 1941. The basic design was No. C-44, the five planned units were referred to as cruisers B No.s 810-814 and the Naval General Staff temporarily designated the design as V-17. The revised two units under the Modified Circle 5 Program were given program #s 5037 & 5038 and were both to be built at Kure Naval Yard at a cost of 48,380,000 yen each. Projected keel laying was December '45 and Spetember' 46, respectively. Hull #s: Yard: Kure NY for both Cost: yen Displacement (standard) 8520t (trial) 9670t Dimensions: length (pp) 175.0m (wl) 184.0m (oa) 186.5m Width (oa) 16.4m x draft 5.86m Speed: 37.5knots @ 1530000 SHP on three shafts Armament: 8x15cm 50cal Type 41 twin guns in 4 turrets 8x 8cm 60 cal. Type 98 twin guns in 4 mountings 9 x triple 25mm AA three mounts 61cm quad TT, two mounts 2 aircraft Armour: belt 60mm, deck 20mm, same as for Agano class. Machinery was identical to Shimakaze destroyer, and it is thought that high-pressure boiler would have been used. Description: L & W provides a basic side view line drawing. Essentially, picture the Agano with a mildly lengthened midsection and stern. The aft deckhouse is lengthened to accommodate a superimposed, 15 cm "Y" turret. The aft deckhouse itself is bisected by the mainmast, which is obviously placed forward of "Y" turrret. Continuing forward, the aircraft handling crane, catapult, two quad 61cm TT mounts and aircraft handling deck are all placed as in Agano. Type 94 HA directors are placed on separate platforms as Yahagi, not on the aircraft handling platform as Agano. Searchlights are also placed as Yahagi. There is an additional pair of 8cm HA mounts aft the funnels, as well as in front as with Agano. The funnel is enlarged with trunking fore (mildly) and aft, the bridge enlarged but less so. The forecastle remains the same. Or, put another way (given that the Oyodo is already an enlarged Agano excepting armament & aircraft handling facilities/hangar ), you literally have a a slightly smaller repeat Oyodo from amidships forward; aft section is as described above, all armed with 15cm main armament and 8cm HA armament.. So, basically, forget the WWS design and go with everyone else. HTH, Dan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: CokerRE@aol.com Subject: Kwai & Associates book on the Battleship Yamato I have for sale one copy of the Kwai & Associates book on the Battleship Yamato which is a treatise on the 1/100 scale model of the ship that they built in the late 70s and early 80s and is now in the Tokyo science museum (Japan's Smithsonian Institution). It is well illustrated in color and b&w with photos of the Yamato and close up of the model details and detail sketches. This is one of the reference items that Skulski used in writing his Anatomy of the Yamato. 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