Subject: SMML VOL 1151 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 00:04:18 -0800 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: baby oil and such 2: Re: Gambier 3: US Aircraft Carriers 4: Re: USN WW1 Camouflage Colors 5: Mileage question 6: Re: Midway in San Diego 7: USS DES MOINES 8: Nautical Miles versus Statute Miles 9: Re: ship names 10: model mounts ,brass finials -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation 1: Re: Nor'west/BC SMML Con -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: baby oil and such >> A great, non-toxic hand cleaner is simply mineral oil, or baby oil (no, they don't render down babies to make it - I just knew one of you wags out there would comment). << Hmmmm I don't know. In a local mall, there are two stores one "Toy's R Us" which of course sells toys. Next door is a place called "Kid's R Us" I was going to report them for illegal baby-brokering!! Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Gambier >> It had lots of very nice metal parts for the smaller stuff like chocks, deck wenches and hatches so you don't have to build all those little pieces. << >> I see Rusty is trying to find out if we really read his posts - or is this another reference to Caroline in her bikini? << Now if he had said Cheeks and deck wenches - we'd have to start having SMML delivered in a plain brown email wrapper! :-) Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Glenn and Kelly Neklason" Subject: US Aircraft Carriers Hi All, Forgive me for being a little off topic, but I'm currently "discussing" (arguing?) the merits of our aircraft (U.S.) carriers and their associated battle groups with a friend. In short, I believe they are a valuable part of US foreign policy and definitely worth keeping, and he believes they have outlived their usefulness and should give way to missiles; in his words "small, faster missile frigates". Anyone care to venture an opinion pro-carrier (preferably) or anti carrier? Does anybody think they're dinosaurs on their way out? Thanks, Glenn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: USN WW1 Camouflage Colors Dave, If you'll be patient, Snyder & Short will be tackling this. We know where the camouflage design sheets are, and the color chips as well. It won't be right away, though; perhaps later this year sometime. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys http://www.shipcamouflage.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Steven Sliwka" Subject: Mileage question >> Well this what I have to share. Now I got a question. Why is it that a statue mile (5280 ft) is shorter than a nautical mile (6080 ft) by 800 ft? Any one know? << A statute mile is shorter as it is based on flat land. A nautical mile is based on the curvature of the earth, from one degree/minute to another degree/minute. The earth curves as we all know and if a statute mile was used at sea, a ship would have to go through the water (in a straight line) to travel 5 280 ft. But ships (not subs) don't travel under water but across it. Therefore, since the surface of water is curved, a longer footage is required. Steve PS-This is another reason to convert the US to metric! While it doesn't solve the problem, it would make international lists like these easier to read.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Lump518176@aol.com Subject: Re: Midway in San Diego I live here in beautiful San Diego (please visit, but dont stay). I know several members of the committee to bring CV-41 Midway here. I have not heard of any obstacle (including Ray Bean's previously mentioned) that is a serious obstacle to having Midway becoming a museum ship here. All issues are being resolved, and Navy Pier will soon become home to Midway. There is also a lot of discussion to building new hotels, tourist areas, etc in the area by Navy Pier. Everything looks A-Okay here in sunny San Diego...still home port for USN Surface, Pacific Fleet. Jerry Phillips P.S. More Nuke CVN's are on the way to North Island.......Hippie Pinkos beware!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: NAVYDAZE@aol.com Subject: USS DES MOINES OK will all this talk about the CABOT and the ORISKANY - I thought I would give you some good news. There is still one ship that is tucked away under the Navy's care - long overdue for scrapping - about 25 years overdue. The ship is the USS DES MOINES. After a long effort by the wonderful group at Duluth they have finally had to give up since they got no support from Governor Jesse. They are in fact turning their efforts over to a group in Milwaukee who feel that they can raise the funds and get the support they need to finally make the "Daisy May" into a museum she deserves like her sister the SALEM. Along with that they are also sending over a 1000 prints of a painting I did of her to generate funds for the ship. (all proceeds go to the ship - not me). I will keep you posted as things progress. So at least that is a little bit of good news. Michael Donegan NAVYDAZE Naval & Aviation Artist -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Tony Ireland" Subject: Nautical Miles versus Statute Miles Hi Craig, One nautical mile is based on the length of one minute of Latitude, i.e. measured in a north or south direction across the globe. Hence, if one sails due north or south exactly 60 nautical miles, one alters one's latitude by exactly one degree (60 minutes of arc). So the distance between Philadelphia in 40 degrees North Lat. & 75 West - and the U.S. Naval Base of Guantanamo, Cuba in 20 North and 75 West must be exactly 20 x 60 nautical miles = 1,200 n.m. It came into use when modern sextants made it possible to measure accurately the altitude of the Sun and stars in degrees and minutes. A navigator measures distance on a nautical chart (drawn using Mercator's Projection) simply by reading off the number of degrees & minutes of Latitude marked on the left and right edges of the chart. A comparison of this indirectly measured nautical mile as against the ancient system of feet, yards and Statute Miles - that were measured along the ground with tapes and chains - showed that the seaman's mile was longer than the landsman's traditional mile: viz 6,080 trad. feet instead of 5,280. Interestingly, this length of a landsman's foot was slightly different in eight European countries that had over centuries established their own standard. e.g. it was shorter in Russia, Portugal and Venice - but longer in Spain, Holland, and Sweden - compared with the English foot measurement. The metre was originally measured indirectly - like the nautical mile - but as one ten millionth of the distance from the Equator to the Pole. A pretty staggering calculation! Today, at the other extreme, the metre is defined in terms of atomic physics, and angstrom units - ten thousand million of these units equalling one metre... Oddly enough, the British legal definition of a yard was fixed in July, 1963 as equal to 0.9144 metre, and an inch as exactly 25.4mm. The United States similarly has legally fixed its feet, yards and miles in terms of metres, although it clings to the English units of measurement. No wonder NASA got its sums wrong on one recent occasion... Cheers, Tony -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: FrederKappes@netscape.net (Friedrich Kappes) Subject: Re: ship names >> The following are the countries prefixes before their ship names USCGC - United States Coast Guard Cutter USNS - United States Naval Ship(usally civilian run auxillary) HMCS - Her Majesty Canadian Ship HMAS - Her Majesty Australian Ship HMNZS - Her Majesty New Zealand Ship SNS - Spanish Naval Ship FNS - French Naval Ship FGS - Federal German Ship(old West Germany and current reunited Germany) ... << FGS is not official!! The Bundesmarine doesn´t use such prefixes. Friedrich The FriedrichFiles http://sites.netscape.net/friedkappes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "denis james" Subject: model mounts ,brass finials Just a thought. How about cut down rifle or pistol cases. They're brass, hollow, come in straight or tapered walls, are readily available. And cheap. Every shooter has got examples or knows some one who has. They polish up well too. rgds drj -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Bob Pearson" Subject: Re: Nor'west/BC SMML Con Victor writes .. >> Very good idea to have a get together for modelers in the Western area. Count me in. Do you guys know if that little pub is still operating down the street from Fine Scale Models in North Van? As I recall it was on East First Street. They served good beer, sandwhiches and chips and the atmosphere is very much in keeping with the maritime nature of the community. << Its been a few years, but is the hobby shop the place with a large destroyer on display behind the counter? A friend of mine lived down the street from the pub if it is where I am thinking of. Bob (somewhat north of Vancouver in Prince Rupert which has clear sunny skies) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume