Subject: SMML VOL 1153 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 21:28:54 -0800 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: U.S. Aircraft Carriers 2: Baby Oil, Baby Food, Girl Scout Cookies, etc 3: Re: ICM Essex in 1:350? 4: Nautical vs. Statute miles 5: Re: Cabot and South Texas Museums 6: Des Moines in Duluth 7: Audace 8: Re: ICM Essex in 1:350? 9: Schnellboot plans- thumbs down 10: Re: U.S. Aircraft carriers 11: US Carriers 12: Rumors 13: World War II Monograph 214: Japanese Landing Craft of World War II (Book Excerpt) 14: Re: Nautical mile 15: Nautical Miles 16: Pictures of World War II 17: Submarines 18: Re: Note to self 19: Re: Nautical mile 20: Ned on Carriers -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Anna Kournikova virus warning 2: Re: Russian Warships -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: FrederKappes@netscape.net (Friedrich Kappes) Subject: Re: U.S. Aircraft Carriers Why being so drastic? In the 1950s the USN relied solely on aircraft carriers, if some of the CRUISER escorts would have met a gun armed cruiser - what would there chance be? If USS Long Beach would have been attacked by 10 MTBs? Now everybody relies on missiles. There are some things a missile canīt do, and there are some things aircraft are too expensive for: shore bombardement as landing support p.e. Focussing on one arm is always narrow-minded. The best missile ship is helpless against small MTBs or a modern sub. Even a carrier needs back up against these "targets". The Germans learned that you need everything to fight a war, you canīt leave a carrier out. The US should relize that you need escorts, gun-ships, fleet carriers and escort carriers etc all together. Specialization means variation. Friedrich The FriedrichFiles http://sites.netscape.net/friedkappes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: Baby Oil, Baby Food, Girl Scout Cookies, etc I used the line from the Addams Family movie when one of the neighborhood Brownie Girl Scouts knocked on my door, selling her boxes of cookies. She really looked at me funny when I asked her "if they are made from real Girl Scouts". Ed the strange man in the corner house -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Michiel Woort" Subject: Re: ICM Essex in 1:350? >> Is it true that the ICM announced at this year Nuremberg Toy Show they will be producing CV-9 Essex? << Yes this is true, I have had the change to look in the latest ICM cataloque which the dutch importeur recieved at Nurnberg and there was next to the HMS Hood and two Japenese ships (don'r remember the names) the USS Essex class carrier 1:350. I hope the people from ICM can produce al these shipmodels this year. Michiel Woort -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: BSteinIPMS@aol.com Subject: Nautical vs. Statute miles For those who have the interest, an easy conversion of statute miles to nautical is 1.15:1, or more simply, 115 miles per hour equals 100 knots. Bob Steinbrunn Minneapolis Member, Nautical Research Guild -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Pablo Sifuentes Barrera" Subject: Re: Cabot and South Texas Museums Hello to all! In an earlier post, someone requested photos of the Cabot as she sits rights now; I'll be taking a mini-vacation in South Texas starting on March 3rd and plan to visit: 1. - The Rio Hondo Museum, where among several planes and helicopters they have the island structure of LPH2 Iwo Jima 2. - Attend the Fiesta Air Show on the 3rd or 4th of March in Brownsville, Texas. 3. - Drive by the Cabot (Anybody have directions on how to get to the site?) 4. - Visit the USS Lexington in Corpus Christi. I'll try to get some interesting pictures of all this and I'll post them to the site. And on a modeling note, this coming weekend, I plan to start cutting the various materials for my 1/144 scale "updated - modern" escort carrier - based on some concepts that never made it to production. I'll keep you posted or bug you with questions, which ever comes first. Pablo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Mark C Krumrey" Subject: Des Moines in Duluth In Response to Craig Bennet about the Governor of Minnesota, and the berthing of Des Moines in Duluth, etc. I think the facts are a little askewed. I drilled with the U S Naval Sea Cadets as a Marine for points, and was in close contact with the President of the Navy League Council in Minnesota. It was the City of Duluth that didn't want the ship. The Governor, who was Arnie Carlson, was in favor of getting the Des Moines there, but the anti war folks, left wing LOCAL politicians, Duluth Parks and others, didn't want the Des Moines berthed along the water front. One of the complaints being that it would obstruct the view. (Where did we just read about that). It had nothing to do with someone dying of an annuerism, it was local politics. The People of Duluth didn't want it. Another move was afoot to bring it to Twin Harbors Minnesota, further north of Duluth, but that has since been given up. Mark Krumrey New RIchmond WI -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Pletscher-Lenz-Schneider" Subject: Audace I wrote an article on the history and paint schemes of Audace for Plastic Ship Modeler some time ago. I can't remember, at the moment, if it was already published. If not so, It should appear in one of the next issues. Falk Pletscher -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: ICM Essex in 1:350? >> Is it true that the ICM announced at this year Nuremberg Toy Show they will be producing CV-9 Essex? << I believe that it is true that they have announced this kit, but will we ever see the Hood?, is the big question. They are way overdue on the Hood kit, and I personally think they may not have even started on mold cutting yet? So I would say lets see if they produce the Hood, "deck wenches", Arrrrrrrr, and go from there. Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: GrafSpee34@aol.com Subject: Schnellboot plans- thumbs down A while ago somebody asked about Wishmayer's 1:50 S-Boot plans. I give them the thumbs down. They are tracings of general arangement plans (overhead and side views only) without an effort to add or clarify critical details. In particular, fine details of the bridge and forward gun tub are unclear or missing. The model builder would be much better off borrowing Harald Fock's book "Fast Fighting Boats" from the library (through interlibrary loan if necessary). This excellent book contains the plans that Wishmayer traced, plus photos and additional details. Dr. Hummelchen's 70s vintage "Warship Profile" paperback on E-Boats also has the general arrangement plans plus some useful photos and nice fold-out color illustrations. I suspect the upcoming Revell kit will be based on Wishmayer's plans, so I am expecting a very sparse bridge and gun tub. Given the current state of published work on late war Schnellboote, modelers will probably find the Revell kit frustrating to super-detail. However, all is not lost as I believe a fellow SMML subscriber is working on a much-needed photo monograph on this boat. At the very least, Revell should provide a better hull than Airfix's abomination. Bashing the two kits together might result in a very nice early boat, for which there is ample published research material. Dave Krakow -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: RhinoBones@aol.com Subject: Re: U.S. Aircraft carriers >> The main argument for aircraft against ship to shore missiles is that once launched the missile is much harder to cancel or redirect a missile than an Carrier Alpha Strike, and the missile munitions cannot be recovered if the reason for the launch changes or if the assigned target is a decoy. << The above seems to indicate that naval aircraft carrying live weapons can be recovered. This may be true at a NAS, but for ship board operations I have heard that it is doctrine that aircraft carrying live weapons must jettison those weapons prior to landing. This includes not only the iron bombs but also exotic smart weapons. I have also heard that quite a few fishing communities around the Adriatic Sea were quite upset with all of the ordnance which was dropped on the fishing grounds rather than Serbia. Weather conditions over the Balkans were not at all favorable to the air campaign. Anyone out there familiar with current US Navy doctrine who can set the record straight? Regards, RhinoBones -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Rick Lundin" Subject: US Carriers A US carrier battle group is much more that a bunch of expensive ships in the middle of the ocean. It is applied sea power: flexible, mobile, sustained and carrying with it the threat of inflicting devistation upon virtually any target an enemy might value. The carrier force can deny an enemy the use of the sea itself and the use of airspace within the range of the carrier's aircraft. With dominance of the oceans comes an ability to conduct amphibous operations against an enemy and subsequent operations far inland. Threat of violence followed by actual attack, followed by the US Marines. Somehow a cruse missle is just not the same thing. Every few years somebody comes up with the idea that carriers are obsolete. The Italians did in World War II, the Soviets in the 1950's, the British in the 1960's, but every one of these nations eventually ended up building carriers. One hundred years ago Jackie Fischer said that "the best negotiator in Europe is a sqadron of British battleships". Jackie Fischer is long gone, and so are the battleships, but in the context of this day and age his words still ring true. Very few foreign leaders unfriendly to the United States relish the thought with negotiating with the US Navy and its carriers. Rick Lundin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Mark C Krumrey" Subject: Rumors I was at the Hobby shop last night speaking with the plastics manager. The subject of the Tamiya and ICM 1/350 Essex came up. He seems quite sure that Tamiya is going to go ahead with the WWII and the 27C versions. The guy knew about the previous rumors and stated that this is "almost" a sure thing. Any one else on list heard this. Also. I bought the ICM Grosser Kurfurst from Chris Decker per his SMML Deal. I am quite satisfied with the deal. I paid with Pay Pal, model was shipped Friday, and arrived today (Tuesday 13 Feb). The whole thing with shipping was $54.00. Very courteous, prompt with emails. I hope he offers more "SMML" Deals. He also mentioned in an email that the ICM HOOD should be arriving soon. I had better make room for more ships. Mark Krumrey New Richmond WI -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: World War II Monograph 214: Japanese Landing Craft of World War II (Book Excerpt) http://www.merriam-press.com/m_214_x1.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Steven Sliwka" Subject: Re: Nautical mile >> So, Steve. Let me get this straight. The Earth curves, but only on the water filled portions? << Don't get smart with me Tom.. :-) I guess I omitted the word 'land' as this is a ship modelling list and I know few ships on land. Perhaps if I travelled back to the pre-Colombus days I could get people to agree with me.. :-) As a side note, thanks everybody that assisted me with my Russian ship questions! Steve -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "John Rule" Subject: Nautical Miles >> Let me get this straight. The Earth curves, but only on the water filled portions? << You mean, "Let me get this curved," surely. As a Civil Engineer I'm glad straight measurement on land has prevailed, as working on a hyperbolic parabaloid drafting table with a set of curved rules would certainly have made my life more difficult. At sea it doesn't matter as much as surveyors trying to drag a chain over the surface of the water are rarer than hen's teeth. WTIC John Rule -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: Pictures of World War II http://www.nara.gov/nara/nn/nns/ww2photo.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Submarines To follow up on a couple of submarine subjects recently raised on SMML: (1) The current Squadron Mail Order catalog lists the Verlinden 1/35 scale resin "Seehund" in both a full hull and waterline version. They also have a Biber (FH), Neger (FH and WL), and Molch (FH) in this same scale. (2) The latest issue [March 2001] of "Sea Classics" magazines includes a short article on diving the wreck of USS S-37 located off of San Diego, CA. MWL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Chuck Messer" Subject: Re: Note to self Rusty, How many times have I embarrassed myself by knot proofreading what eye halve written. It's knot enough too spell czech. Their are many different spellings that make many different words and meanings. Wouldn't ewe agree? I feel you're pane. :^) Chuck -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: James Corley Subject: Re: Nautical mile >> Well this what I have to share. Now I got a question. Why is it that a statue mile (5280 ft) is shorter than a nautical mile (6080 ft) by 800 ft? Any one know? << A Nautical Mile is one second of longitude (not latitude). I remember this from my Surveying degree and subsequent liscensure testing, while a statue mile was established by (oddly enough) a statute that standardized the definition of mile in England. The distance is 80 chains, the old standard english unit of surveying measurement which is 66 feet. An acre, also established by the same law, is the area contained in 10 square chains, or a rectangle 66' x 660' or 43,560 square feet. There are 640 acres to a square mile. This is all relevant to a surveyor in Georgia because we have to deal with "Headright" surveying, which is parcels of land originally granted by Kings George 2&3 during colonial rule. Luckily, I am in the Atlanta area and don't have to deal with that can of worms very often!!.. James Corley GA LSIT#678 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Gord and Doreen Smith Subject: Ned on Carriers As an interesting exercise (having absolutely nothing to do with Carriers, at least not the seaborne type) lets see how many SMMLs now the origin of the term used by Ned! WOGS Gord, CANADA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Shane Subject: Anna Kournikova virus warning Hi gang, Recieved a virus warning from the Listmaster of the WW1 list. This is no joke, so be on the lookout. Check out the following for more details: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-03.html Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Russian Warships Gold Medal Models does indeed make a Modern Soviet Warship PE set. We have it in stock at White Ensign Models. I'll see all attendees at the Fleet Air Arm Show at Yeovilton next Saturday--I'll be the one in USN dress blues at the White Ensign stand.... John Snyder White Ensign Models (3 hours from departure to England!) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume