Subject: SMML VOL 1160 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:45:08 -0800 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: HALIFAX CLASS FRIGATE 2: Charles de Gaulle: Modellers good news 3: anoraks, a users guide 4: John Lambert's MTB/MGB Plans 5: Tashkent 6: Re: Chuck Duggie Tashkient 7: Re: anoraks, Measurements and Akagi 8: More Bad Press for Carrier Charles de Gaulle 9: Re: anoraks 10: Wood for display 11: Re: Tashkent 12: Re: "amour deck"? 13: IJN Auxiliary Vessels 14: Re: Wood bases 15: Re: USS Laffey/NS Savannah 16: ANORAK 17: Essex and armour decks 18: Miniature Ensigns 19: Re: Anorak -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation 1: SMML site news 2: IPMS Nats-SMML get together 3: Re: IPMS(USA) Nats SMML get together -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS Hi gang, Here's the latest from our intrepid webmaster: Shane & Lorna Well, Now that I'm back from the FAA Show (and for those in the UK who missed it - it was good ;-) ), I've caught up with the uploads to the Site. Lemme see........ Archives up to 1156 are up and indexed Ding Yuan added to Members Models Speaking of which......new area called Splice The Mainbrace added Review of the Skytrex 1/700 HMS London in Model Reviews Review of the Dragon 1/700 Sovremenny there as well Review of the WEM 1/600 Moskva photo-etch added to PE & Accessories Review of the WEM 1/700 Scout & Lynx 'copters there too Right - back to work on the next batch ;-) As usual - if YOU would like to send in pics of your models, reference shots of ships, reviews of kits, PE, accessories, or books, just get in touch with Shane or myself. Mike SMML Webmaster -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: tom dean Subject: HALIFAX CLASS FRIGATE Hi Bill The HALIFAX CLASS I am working on is 1/96 scratch. For various reasons, taking just about as long to build as it took St. John Ship Bldg Co. to build the real ones. Actually doing her up as HMCS FREDERICTON as a buddy of mine is serving in her at the time. There is a kit on the market in 1/350 scale from the Ironship Works I think. Some of the fellows on the list are working on it now and might be able to help you with details on her. Tom Dean Hamilton, Ontario Canada -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Nuno Andresen Portela" Subject: Charles de Gaulle: Modellers good news There is a new book, just issued in France about this carrier: "Le Porte Avions Charles de Gaulle, Tome 1" or Aircraft Carrier Charles de Gaulle, Volume one. What they call "volume one" is a massive +400 pages book with more than 1000 pictures. Every detail, every political point of view, every stage of construction, everything about the ship can be found inside. I wonder what was left over to make volume two. Heller's kit will never be the same with the help from this book. Nuno Andresen Portela Porto PORTUGAL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Colin Ritchie Subject: anoraks, a users guide Picture the scene, it's a dark and miserable Sunday afternoon sometime in late January somewhere in the UK, the rain pours down, the sky grey and leaden. At the end of the platform stand a small group of huddled figures, steaming in the freezing air. They hand round cups of tea and increasingly soggy sandwiches. Suddenly they spring to life, a train is approaching the station, a mumbled conversation can just about be heard over the rain, words like "What's the number", "What Class". A frenzied fumble among the group, and out come their note books, number are noted, and the group calms down again to their previous semi comatose state. Yup the train spotters are out again, and what are they wearing to protect them from the worst the UK's weather can throw at them, Yes, that's right Anorak's. From this humble beginning came the use of the term anorak to describe, in short hand terms, the Enthusiast, the Fan, the person who really cares what colour the wheel well of an Inglewood P-51 was painted in March 1944. Or as my wife insists in calling me, a SAD, SAD old man! So when someone mentions a sad old anorak, you should now have a mental picture! Colin Ritchie (Owner of a wardrobe of anorak's) Oh and if its really necessary to point the above is all in fun, really!) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Dimi Apostolopoulos Subject: John Lambert's MTB/MGB Plans Folks, I have just received a purchase of more than 30 plans of British MTBs and MGBs from John Lambert and just wanted to express my amazement on the quality and detail that these plans offer. For those who have a research or modeling interest in these small war vessels I highly recommend John's plans. He actually has a web site with complete listings at: http://www.john-lambert-plans.com/ Dimi -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "John" Subject: Tashkent >> I have a book showing some, not a lot, of pictures but a GREAT amount of detailed drawings enough to build from, but I still would like a model before I commit to making a mold and fiberglass hulls << >> Author, title, etc.??? Drool! Drool! << The Book that you are drooling over is the new release from Profile Morskie #29 title: the Russian Destroyer TASZIENT once again they have out done themselves with this book although written entirely in polish there is a wealth of DETAIL 3D drawings of the entire ship which includes the superstructure, guns, masts, life boats, antennas, deck layouts of both the early and late version of this ship, the drawings are in various scales and most are shown with the scale for that particular piece but all subcomponents are shown in port, starboard, for and aft as well as from the top and most of the ship is shown this way, I bought mine from a local hobby shop for $20 was every bit worth the price for the amount of detail contained in a small book 9 1/2 x 6 3/4 x 1/4" also comes with 3 fold out drawing sheet with hull frames and one of which is a beautiful color lay out, I framed mine, the only down side is not all of the drawings show a scale size so some math is required to find this out but hey that is small potatoes or is it potatoes, anyway great book John Anderson West Coast 1/72nd -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: Re: Chuck Duggie Tashkient Hi Chuck, the Tashkient was not a light cruiser but a large destroyer, also called a flotilla leader. The book is "Radziecki niszczyciel Taszkient" ("Soviet destroyer Tashkient") J.Moscicki & P.Wilczynski, Wyszkow BS 2000, Seria Profile Morskie nr.29. I think that White Ensign stock this book (not sure thou) if not try Polish booksop "Pelta" at www.pelta.com.pl/ Regards D.P -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Andy Airlie" Subject: Re: anoraks, Measurements and Akagi Also being a Native of Glasgow hopefully I can explain, The term 'anorak' is usually applied to people who are totally consumed by a non-mainstream sport or hobby, i.e. trainspotting or Plastic Models, so by definition we on the list are all anoraks! (some more than others I may add.). The giveaway clue of an Anorak is the type of coat 99% of them choose to wear - Low cost ,with a 100% fake fur trim to the Hood known as an Anorak. As regards Doug Wilde's question about the difference 1" makes. At the risk of being ostracised, surely that's a question for one of our lady friends to answer? I'm not sure that Akagi was ever completed as a Battlecruiser due to the limitations of the Washington agreement, but I'm sure that one of the IJN 'Anoraks' ;-) can clear this one up. BTW Can anyone give me some feedback on the Raven Book, Ensign 1 -KGV's - Is this the best reference work available? And wot does =20 Mean?? Andy Hi Andy, "=20" is some form of "code" that some email programs will put in emails that don't conform to their standard :-(. I use Netscape to read SMML after it's been sent & never get it, but others do at times. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "John Rule" Subject: More Bad Press for Carrier Charles de Gaulle The news reported by Ned Barnett in SMML 1159 is pretty old news and was reported and to a certain extent refuted in previous issues of SMML several months ago. John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "David Griffith" Subject: Re: anoraks Terribly sorry, but I suppose parochial coloquialisms can be a bit confusing, but it's also fun to celebrate our national quirks etc. I don't know if they exist west of the Atlantic or south of the English Channel, but in Britain we have a peculiar sub-species of Homo Sapiens called the "Train-Spotter". These are sad, obsessive and somewhat socially inept creatures who are trapped in a permanent state of adolescence. They are seen haunting railway platforms, usually in rainy weather, and their sole aim in life is to collect the registration numbers of every locomotive on the British railway system. They are instantly recognized by the fact that their trousers are too short and that they wear cheap nylon anoraks (or so the urban myth goes). They carry notebooks and a rucksack with a thermos of tea and marmite sandwiches. The older ones think that it has never been the same since nationalisation, back in the 1950s or whenever, lament the passing of steam, and wax lyrical about the liveries of LNER Green and LMS Red. Similar sub-species elsewhere in the world are Homo Sapiens Nerdus and Homo Sapiens Geekii. Creatures of much the same characteristics can be seen during the summer at airshows, where they carry stepladders to see above the crowds. The term "anorak" is therefore applied to any person who enjoys, perhaps obsessively, an engrossing and complex hobby, probably solitary in nature, certainly not a team sport, that is not fully understood by wider society, and frequently scoffed at. Sad to say, but model-making is often seen as one of those pastimes by the ignorant. Unfortunately, we do have some people a bit like the train-spotter within the hobby, don't we. I don't count myself as obsessive, and if you look in my cupbord you'll only find about 6 kits waiting to be done, but some of the members of Glasgow IPMS have in excess of 1000 kits in their attics! They will never finish more than a tiny fraction of them. So they do have a bit of the "anorak" about them. That, then, is the origin of the term "anorak". I don't think there is much controversy about this fact, but it might be interesting to hear about other similar sub-species in other continents; after all natural selection works in the same way everywhere!. Regards, David -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: SAMI ARIM Subject: Wood for display Where I live in the US we have exotic wood places, where you can buy some hard to find woods like Purple Heart or Ebony. A 2X4 piece, several feet long would cost between 50-100$. If you have the tools or get them cut into strips, you might be able to use them for several 1/700 scale models. After giving them a final sanding, I wax them. The wax will give them a wonderful natural finish, protect them and will help them to release their oil. Best Sami Arim -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Re: Tashkent Hi SMML, There are two 1/700 kits of the Soviet destroyer leader Tashkent, one by Samek and a new one by Kombrig. (I have seen photographs of the Kombrig kit on eBay.) There is a Russian-language book on the Tashkent that has some good photographs but not very good plans, and there is a Polish-language book that has some fairly good photographs but has very detailed plans and drawings; I assume that this is the book that one post referred to. I got my copy of the Polish book from Pacific Front Hobbies. A 1/72 Tashkent would be awesome.... Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Re: "amour deck"? Hi SMML, Did someone on SMML really refer to an "amour deck" instead of "armour deck"?!? That's almost better than "deck wenches"! I wonder if the cruise ship on the old TV series "The Love Boat" had an "amour deck"; if so, it would've been for the honeymooners. This reminds me of a story of the British-Free French effort to take Dakar in 1940 (Operation Menace); if memory serves, the British found out the transports carrying the Free French troops for the operation had "nurses" aboard who actually belonged to a profession much older than nursing, and this did not please the British (maybe they were just jealous). I guess the "nurses" berthed on the "amour deck" of the transports with the ship's "deck wenches." Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Ramires, Filipe C" Subject: IJN Auxiliary Vessels Hello list I have recently acquired the Tamiya's models of the IJN Transport Set and the IJN Auxiliary Vessels Set. Does anyone knows of books, articles or reviews related with this models or this kind of ships. Thanks in advance. Filipe C. Ramires Colchester, UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Darren Scannell Subject: Re: Wood bases I always use solid oak for my bases, unless it's too big then I use Plywood with oak veneer on one side and oak trim around. A wood working friend of mine told me that routering 2 or 3 slits length wise on the bottom, equidistant, about 1/4" - 3/8" deep would help prevent warping. Then I stain and glue velvet onto the bottom. I buy large pieces, green or red, from the fabric store and glue with spray on adhesive from the craft store. Darren -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Darren Scannell Subject: Re: USS Laffey/NS Savannah >> without maintenance (due to a lot of factors, including the museum's involvement in a land development scandal that's way off-topic that also played a role in the museum ridding itself of the NS Savannah) << So where is the NS Savannah these days? Darren -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "DUCKMAN" Subject: ANORAK "Anorak" is the Vesuvian term for a Styrene plastic eating being from the planet Anora. Glad I could help, David P.S. They love photo-etch brass for desert. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Essex and armour decks >> P.S. In the spirit of deck wenches, what's an amour deck??? :-) << Armour decks must be where you enjoy the wiles of the deck wenches :-) Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Miniature Ensigns Seeking a source for miniature (approx 12" x 8" or smaller) naval ensigns to dress up a display of WW1 warship models. Specifically, a Royal Navy white ensign and Imperial German naval standard. Thanks. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: John Philip Downing Subject: Re: Anorak >> Could you please explain what is meant by the term "anorak". Does it mean that you were a closet anorakian, or that you wore an anorak in a closet? "Close encounters of the anorakian kind"? As some of the people on this list come from strange places; Mars, the New York subway, and the strangest place of all; Brooklyn, not everybody understands the meaning of the term. As an example of this, there was a running topic recently about that strange substance called vegemite/marmite; caused much confusion with those from WEST of the Hudson. We shall hold ourselfs in eager readiness. << I didn't see the original post, but let me give this bits of wisdom as remembered from my model railroading readings. In England there is a hobby called "trainspotting". This is similar to birdwatching, except that participants stand near railway tracks (often in stations) and write down the numbers of passing trains, in an attempt to "collect" as many trains as possible. Due to the English weather, and the dust and smoke of passing trains, participants often wore anoraks (a type of pull-over raincoat). Thus anorak is a synonym for trainspotter. Now many people in England think that this is truly a stupid hobby, and that there must be something wrong with the mental condition of participants, so trainspotting and anorak (I suspect) have taken on derogatory meanings. John Downing (who lives on the west side of the pond, and likes to model trains, but only spots them by accident). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Shane Subject: SMML site news Hi gang, Well, after some 1450 km round trip to the wilds of NW NSW & back - it's time to bring you all up to speed on the latest site news. Contributions have been coming in (keep 'em coming guys) and Michael has done a great job in getting the following uploaded to the site. We have added a new section to the Members Models area - "Splicing the Mainbrace" - and have given people with 4 or more photos their own page on which to showcase their work. In amongst all the new-look pages, we have added in new stuff from the following SMML members: Chris Drage shows off his models & amazing dioramas. Kostas Ornerakis gives us a look at his scratchbuilt Vosper MTB. He used the "Bible" according to Ross & Lambert - "Allied Coastal Forces" in building his model Felipe Ramires shows us that his current stay in England is not stopping him from submitting new models for us to gaze over. Rusty White adds to his already amazing page with photos of his build of the Bluejacket Shipcrafters kit of the carrier USS Gambier Bay. Rhinobones has also added to his growing amount of models - a model of the Ding Yuan (on the Member's Models page) We have the following two additions in the Walkaround section: Pictures of the USS Cole being put on the Heavy Lift Ship sent in by James McCormick. This shows the damage she suffered last year in Yemen. USS Constition photos sent in by Joel Labow. These are from her 200th Birthday run in 1997. Finally, but by no means last ;-), we have the following reviews for people to get their teeth into: Mike Dunn looks at the 1/700 Dragon (Ex Skywave) USSR Sovremenny Russ Smith looks at the 1/700 Syktrex County class Cruiser HMS London with some pictures to be added in shortly. Mike also looks at the following accessories: WEM 1/600 Moskva/leningrad PE, WEM 1/700 Airstrike Lynx & Scout/Wasp helicopters. With more stuff to added in the following weeks, we welcome any new submission to ANY area of the site. We'll work with you if you have any hassles with writing, taking photos etc. Just contact either myself or Mike at the following addresses: Shane & Lorna: mailto:sljenkins@tac.com.au Mike Dunn: mailto:smml@btinternet.com Remember, it's your site. So check it out at: http://www.smml.org.uk Lorna, Mike & myself hope you enjoy this latest update. Regards, Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Kurt Van Dahm Subject: IPMS Nats-SMML get together Ed: Either way I will be there. As long as we set a definate time and place so as to make it easy for all to find and plan to attend, everybody should be able to make it. Kurt Van Dahm Westmont, IL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Darren Scannell Subject: Re: IPMS(USA) Nats SMML get together Hi Ed, I vote for a semi formal get together of some sort. This will be an opportunity to meet everybody at once, then they can do their own thing after. Darren Scannell BTW, what's the SMML theme ship this year? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume