Subject: SMML VOL 1163 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 21:13:42 -0800 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: The Collection 2: LST's, collections, etc 3: N.S. SAVANNAH 4: Essex catapults 5: Modern CVN islands - starboard shot wanted 6: Prince of Wales and Resolution 7: Re: Torgeson Roger/Miniature Ensign 8: Re: TTY 9: Re: Miature Ensigns 10: Sewn hulls, deck wenches, amour decks ... 11: Re: Benson/Gleaves 12: Re: Light Sea Grey 13: Re: deck wenches 14: 1/72 scale Source List 15: BaD 1/96 ship model company 16: SMALL ENSIGNS 17: Re: Unbuilt kits 18: SMALL ENSIGNS AND REVELL-GERMANY U-47 19: Re: US Navy Warship Series -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation 1: MosquitoCon 2001 2: SMML Con 2001 USS Hornet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: TechnoInfidel@webtv.net (John Collins) Subject: The Collection Greetings: Business first: I am having a problem with the conversion set that I am using to convert my Fletcher to the square bridge variant. During a trial assembly, I found that the signal bridge pushes the mast over, say 35-40 degrees. The bridge part looks correct according to plans. Any ideas on how to solve this problem? The Collection: I presently have 475 kits in my collection, of which about 120 are built. They are evenly divided between ships and airplanes. Since moving to Atlanta, I've whittled my stash down from about 800. I sell my kits at model contests and have about 60 kits to sell at a time. I generally make about $120 per contest, which usually covers all my expenses. I even sell off some of my ships, usually after they've been replaced by more, expensive, resin kits. Anoraks: Personally, I prefer the term grognairds (hope I spelled that right). A gamer's term for the hard core. Adopted, I believe, from a French slang expression for the veterans of Napoleon's infantry. Like it or not, we are just part of the lunatic fringe of hobbies and society in general. And, that's just the way I like it. Be well, John Collins Atlanta, GA Hi John, Yeah I've always liked "grognard" (not sure which is the correct spelling) as well. I've heard it translated as complainer, which about sums up gamers at times - esp the "rules lawyers" ;-) Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Chris Christenson" Subject: LST's, collections, etc Howdy listmembers Just some random thoughts on the passing scene. I had several sites on my favorites list about LST stuff. My dad served on at least 2 of them during the Korean conflict. The LST Association site has links and contact people that I'm sure could steer you to hospital ship conversions. Unfortunately a gosh-darn windows crash destroyed all my valuable info but IIRC I found it on a search of "LST". I collect kits too, with the intention of building each one if I build 24-7-365 for the next hundred years or so. I have all my kits catalogued in loose leaf notebooks and indexed. A quick check reveals 170 prop driven aircraft (sorry!!) 35 jets (really sorry!!!) 42 ships (my favorite stuff--really!!) and 6 rockets etc. I also have some rehab projects and rebuilds and 6-7 radio controlled airplanes in the sticks plus the upkeep on the 8 or 9 I fly regularly. Would someone please sponsor the rest of my life so I can complete all this??? Finally in response to miniature ensigns and that kind of stuff please remember the irreversible damage that glues and solvents can cause ; ). from snowy Ord Nebraska Chris Christenson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Edwparent@aol.com Subject: N.S. SAVANNAH My understanding of the commercial demise of this vessel was that her crew costs were excessive due to the specialist training required. Also, insurance costs were a factor. Ed Parent -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "A. H. Lindstrom" Subject: Essex catapults I have one reference that states that the Essex commissioned without any catapults, and carried none until her April 1944 refit when two flight deck catapults were fitted. There are other indications that she completed with the starboard flight deck catapult and that was all she ever carried. Anyone know the truth? Also, I have read that the hangar deck bulkheads were white - what color was the hangar deck floor? Thanks, Alan Lindstrom -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: thorstenwahl@t-online.de (Wahl, Thorsten) Subject: Modern CVN islands - starboard shot wanted Hi folks, does anyone have starboard side pics of modern CVNs - specifically Vinson or Washington, if possible. I´m currently scratching an island in 1/144th and the starboard side must be one of the least photographed of all times... Port side shots galore - but no joy on the seaward side! Does anyone have links to appropriate online resources -as I said, no joy w/ DefLink, HazeGray, the CV-WebRing, Navy Online and the like :-( - or mail me pictures you might have? Thanks a lot Thors ´At least we don´t name our ships for our mothers-in-law.´ USS Reuben James to HMS Battleaxe -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: Prince of Wales and Resolution I have the data on her camouflage, but it is in raw data form, letters, notes, references from the Camouflage Directorate, all that sort of thing. Will try to publish in pull-out form in Volume four of Camouflage, the Prince's camouflage. If this is not possible, then I will put it out using some other method. Question: I am looking for views of the Resolution as in 1942 and 1943. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: Re: Torgeson Roger/Miniature Ensign Rick Heinbough wrote: >> You'll never find one. The Navy requires anybody to be at least 5' in height before they can be commissioned as an ensign. I imagine the Royal Navy and Imperial German Navy had similar standards. << T.Roger replayed: >> Having known you for around 25 years, I now find out how sick your mind works. You need help my friend, lots of professional help. << Nah Torgeson, the Rick's riposte was great. Quick, short and without a batting of an eyelid. Pity to loose such a man to the asylum. I needed a double take on this but finaly decided -twisted but brilliant. As for unmade models-Revell's "Olympia"and "Emden", Glencoe's "Oregon", Airfix's "Iron Duke" and "Warspite" (had hoped to covert it back to WWI configuration), old Frog "Royal Soveregin" again for converting back and finaly brand new, carefully examined but untouched ICM's "Koenig" - guess it shows where my intersts lie.... Regards D.P -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: wem Subject: Re: TTY >> For John Snyder: TTY- The Token Yank? My first guess. I suppose it could also be "Ta Ta Y'all." ;-) << Close Mike, very close: Token Transplanted Yank (I'd have to be from the South to use the other one). John Snyder TTY in Herefordshire White Ensign Models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Miature Ensigns Ensign --- In the RN this creature is known as a Midshipman, neither man nor beast (Officer nor Rating), commonly referred to as a "snotty". Despised by all, but useful non-the less. Well Ladies and Gentlemen let's see you pick the bones out of this one! Regards Alan R Ps. Any speling mistake are due to my Siamese cat Jason waling over the key bawd. (Or six doubles of excellent old whiskey) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Norman C. Samish" Subject: Sewn hulls, deck wenches, amour decks ... >> You'll never find one. The Navy requires anybody to be at least 5' in height before they can be commissioned as an ensign. I imagine the Royal Navy and Imperial German Navy had similar standards. Best regards anyway, << Rick, You may recall a year or so ago we were introduced to sewn hulls. Recently we were informed of deck wenches. Then we were told of ships that had amour decks. Now we have miniature ensigns. I am forced to retaliate with a bad limerick. (This is On Topic because of an apocryphal PT boat named "Beautiful Ass.") Future lapses will be similarly punished. "There was a maid from Madras Who had a most beautiful ass. 'Twas not rounded and pink As you probably think But was gray, had long ears and ate grass." Norman Samish -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: Benson/Gleaves Classic Warships is currently working on a book on the Benson/Gleaves. I can tell you for now that it will contain in the vicinity of 150 photos and have drawings, in 80 pages, and hope to publish in August, this year. Thanks, Steve Wiper @ www.classicwarships.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: Re: Light Sea Grey In reply to M&R Brown's request for info in Vol.1162 re Light Sea Gray paint. A brand known as "MODEL MAKER" has (had) this color, at least they did about a year ago. 1/2 0unce bottle -------------- No. FS36307 3 Ounce spray can ---------- No.1926 (also FS36307) Franklyn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: Re: deck wenches More about the deck wenches. Please forgive me, but puns are irresistable for me. "Can those deck wenches be put to work cleaning up the Officer's Mess?" "Was that ship with the deck wenches a triple screw vessel?" For us old time Yanks, this one could be also. "If Sally Rand were one of the deck wenches, could she be called a "fan tail'?" Please, somebody stop me before I kill someone! (Ever hear the expression "This'l kill ya"? Franklyn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "David Mullins" Subject: 1/72 scale Source List Hi, All! I am compiling & typing up (slowly) a list of kit, parts, & plans suppliers for ship modelling in 1/70 > 1/75 scale, focusing on 1/72 scale. The list will be formatted as an ASCII text file so it can be opened by different word processing programs. Attached will be contact info for the various manufacturers & suppliers. If you know of anything "ships" that would fit on this list, please email the info to me so I can be sure I haven't missed anything. Contributors will be credited. List will be revised periodically & the revision notice posted. If you would like a copy via email, please email your contact info my way. Thanks!!! David Mullins Amarillo, TX USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Ralph Batykefer" Subject: BaD 1/96 ship model company Anyone know anything about the quality of BaD 1/96 scale ship models? Requests were made in the past, but nobody has answered them... If anyone has purchased a BaD ship model please let me know on or off list. IHS, Ralph -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "DUCKMAN" Subject: SMALL ENSIGNS FOLKS, IF YOU ARE INTERESTED, MY WIFE, MISS FLO, MAKES CUSTOM FLAGS. LET ME KNOW, I'LL SHOW HER WHAT THEY ARE, AND SHE CAN GIVE YOU A PRICE. DAVID -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Marc Flake Subject: Re: Unbuilt kits I have 358 unbuilt kits, 59 of which are ships/boats, with four boats underway. I have 425 kits completed and room for about 50 more in my display cases. Hmmmm, gonna have to get a bigger room. Marc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "DUCKMAN" Subject: SMALL ENSIGNS AND REVELL-GERMANY U-47 The Germans and Japanese both used small ensigns in thier mini-sub programs in WW II. The Germans had a much harder time manning thier See-Hund program, since the Aryan race is generally larger than the Japanese people. The Kriegsmarine asked the Japanese for help under an obscure clause of the Tri-Partite pact, but were refused. They then had Dr. Von Braun and the crew at Peenamunde experiment with some Anoraks (see # 1160) they captured during thier rocket trials. This too was not a success since the Anoraks could not be taught the German language. Now to get real serious. I can't tell all of you how helpful you were with my recently completed Tamiya Fletcher. Can anyone give me some tips on the above kit? Any info. would be greatly appreciated. DAVID -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Minadmiral@aol.com Subject: Re: US Navy Warship Series >> I just received my copies of USNI's new US Navy Warship series: vol. 1 The Sailing Navy 1775-1854 and vol. 2 Civil War Navies 1855-1883. I have Caney's Am Steel navy books which include material on the monitors and other ironclads does this series include anything new?? << Hi; Does the new series, vol.2, cover CSN ships? I've been praying for years that Canney would do a 3rd volume on the CSN!!! Chuck Duggie WoodenWalls Listmeister Naval wargamer, amateur naval historian, and ship modeler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: GKingzett@aol.com Subject: MosquitoCon 2001 New Jersey IPMS is holding their annual Model Contest, Saturday, March 10, from 9:00 AM to 4:00 PM. Location is the Wayne PAL Hall, in Wayne NJ. The theme is Air Raid-Pearl Harbor. We always get several hundred models of all types; of interest to SMMLer's, we get 3 or 4 tables of ship models. The level of competition is good; The past two years, 1st place winners for ships at IPMS USA Nationals came out of this contest. I will be around all day and doing some judging. Look me up if you get a chance; it would be fun to talk to ship modelers. And enter some models, we are always looking for more. NJ IPMS has a website, www.njipms.org where you can get directions and more information. Gary Kingzett And no, I don't know why it is called MosquitoCon. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Duane Fowler Subject: SMML Con 2001 USS Hornet Hello, I have been doing a bit of travelling and so have been out of touch but I can assure all that the rumours of my passing are greatly exaggerated! I am looking forward to the SMML Con 2001 aboard the USS Hornet on April 20, 21, and 22 and we have several great activities and speakers lined up. The Hornet is located in Alameda, California which is on the east side of San Francisco Bay. It is at the same dock that the original Hornet loaded the B25 for Dolittle's raid on Tokyo. Among the growing list of exhibits on board are an Apollo space capsule and an isolation trailer identical to the one originally used by the Apollo 11 astronauts when they returned from the moon. There are also quite a few aircraft in various stages of restoration as well as many photographs and exhibits relating to the ship and other carriers. Please check out our posting on the SMML web page. Also, please contact either Sami Arim or me if you are planning on coming so that we can make the necessary arrangement. Feel free top contact us with any questions too. Best regards, Duane Fowler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume