Subject: SMML VOL 1164 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 01:59:38 -0800 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: HMS Glasgow circa 1982 Falklands 2: Re: BaD 1/96 ship model company 3: Re: Modern CVN islands - starboard shot wanted 4: Re: Essex Catapults 5: Re: N.S. SAVANNAH 6: Collections and built/unbuilt kits 7: CVN ISLANDS, CURRENT CONFIGURATION.... 8: Re: Resolution 9: Navy Fact File: Contents 10: Battle class destroyers and monitors 11: Grognards... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation 1: REMINDER March 2nd 2: IPMS Hornet? 3: SMMLCON at Hornet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: WTB: Wooden Viking ship 2: FS: German, Soviet, & Eastern block books -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: johnny chen Subject: HMS Glasgow circa 1982 Falklands Hi everyone! I'm on the initial process of building my third set of model task groups. This one will be the 'Falklands War 1982', which would feature HMS Invincible (Revell Kit), HMS Glasgow (DML Dragon), HMS Brilliant (WEM) and HMS Arrow (Skywave). I would like to know if anyone has a JPEG scanned image or website that features HMS Glasgow during the 1982 campaign. I have the "HMS Exeter" kit which would have different instruction set. Actually, the selection would have been Sheffield, Coventry or Glasgow. I have lots of Sheffield and Coventry photos, but I don't like to build ships that suffered unfortunate fates. Also, I need the weapons' fit. Any good lead is appreciated. JT -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: sanders_talmadge_fc1 Subject: Re: BaD 1/96 ship model company Recently I purchased a BAD 1/96 scale Ticonderoga cruiser. I have never built a ship model in my life but have extensive experience building R/C airplane kits and then re-kitting them! (hence the interest in ships models) My opinion of the kit is: The plans were pretty good in explaining how the parts go together, All wooden parts were labled nicely, the resin parts HMMMMM. The after market brass props and shaft kit was a real bonus (I use mine for chasing ducks at the lake!) also there is plenty of room for lights, sound, etc. etc. All in all for an experienced modeller it would be a fairly easy kit to complete with a lot of opportunity for extra fine details. But do some homework on the ship you want to build because the plans the models are based on are the preliminary plans for the class of ship. For more info check out MODEL MARINA on line he did a review, actually I think he is still doing it. WWW.RKTMAN.COM/RLH/BUNKER_HILL/REVIEW If that doesn't work try ask.com and type in MODELMARINA. V/R T.E. "Sandy" Sanders Combat Systems dept LPO "Cruisin the California coast. Sinking ships!" USS Princeton CG-59 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Modern CVN islands - starboard shot wanted I have found SeaPhoto to be a great resource for photos like you're looking for. The prices are VERY reasonable, and Kurt really goes out of his way to help. He provided me with a great collection of photos for my Adams class model. Check them out. http://members.aol.com/SeaPhoto/index.html Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://okclive.com/flagship/ You can now pay using your Visa / MasterCard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: ECammeron@aol.com Subject: Re: Essex Catapults See Warship International No 4 1999. (Part I of the ESSEX Class Design History). In it, ESSEX is reported to have completed without catapults. An H-II flight deck catapult, Serial H171B, was installed 6 May 1943. The footnotes to the article say two new H-IV flight deck catapults were delivered to Puget Sound Shipyard in late 1944 for installation on ESSEX during her next overhaul. These were Serials H251B and H252B. But as far as I can determine, the H-IV catapults were not installed on ESSEX during the war. Her only stateside overhaul was in April 1944 at Hunters Point. I can't find any evidence she got back to Bremerton before the war ended. Eugene -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: NAVYDAZE@aol.com Subject: Re: N.S. SAVANNAH I was told by the museum at one time that it was because the two unions that controled the ship - regular Merchant Marine I guess and nuclear power gang - could not agree on who would run the ship and what union was in control?????? Mike NAVAYDAZE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "O'Connor" Subject: Collections and built/unbuilt kits Smmlies, Great thread, And I've learned that I'm not a minority when it comes to unbuilt kits. My unbuilt collection (all of planned built-ups, as I don't collect to hold them for posterity) totals about 100, combined planes and ships. Most of the planes (about 50) are 1/72 scale naval subjects- either carrier aircraft or maritime patrol types.I have an unusual interest in French Air Force and Naval aircraft, which, I confess, i can't explain other than the French have some neat looking aircraft. Consequently, I have a small built and unbuilt group of 1/48 scale French Mirage types from the -III to the -2000, Rafale M and so on. As for ships, I go for the post WWll stuff, and prefer the early to mid cold war era, Korea thru Vietnam.Lots of carriers and cruisers- I'm not a big battlewagon nut, but I do like the lines of the WWll German battlecruisers. I don't restrict myself to the post war stuff, though, as I have WWll builtups of British flattops, destroyers and German BC's and subs. I do what I like, when I like to. My interests drift so fast, sometimes I find (like now) that I have too many 90% finished projects "on the ways", ready to complete, but I'm enthralled with something new. I grew up as a Navy Brat, and remember living across the bay from NOB Norfolk, Va, at Sewell's Point, and seeing the CV's moored at pier 12, and the steel coming and going out of Hampton Roads.I'd ride my bike to the edge of the Hampton Roads bridge-tunnel to watch the new missile cruisers, DDG's and DD's come and go. I also lived at NAS Norfolk, next to the big BOQ there as a kid, and we were 300 yds from the runway- I saw every type of Naval Air asset in the inventory in 1964 and 65. Every day was an airshow!!! All that influenced my modelling interests throughout my life. Later, I lived at RAF Lakenheath, England, where the 48th TFW's F-100's went out on intercept practice missions at night, waking everyone within miles, with thier ultra-loud engines. That's still my favorite USAF jet, along with the British E.E. Lightning, which I saw do a gutsy vertical climb from 100 feet off the runway at the RAF Mildenhall airshow in '69. Ballsy airplane, that!! So, in short, I'm a shipmodeler who builds airplanes, or an aircraft modeler who builds ships. You figure it out, because I can't!!! Bob O'Connor -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: stillmo@mb.sympatico.ca Subject: CVN ISLANDS, CURRENT CONFIGURATION.... Attn. Thors, Re: your posting about CVN islands. Starboard side of these carriers is about the most photographed as they are the piersides. I bow and tip my hat to the Guru of ship detail photos, contact KURT GREINER of SEAPHOTO, he has a hugh website and very cold nosed dog, Ernie. I know for a fact he has great oblique angled views of islands of CVNs. Please remember, some of the CVNs now have large Phalanx CIWS sponsons on raised platforms on the island starboard sides, and most are now receiving huge squashed domes attached to the forward part of the island just below the bridge levels. These are built as they go into their different yard periods. You may also write directly to each CVN PAO and request underway views of the ship, to include port or starboard shots and they will usually comply, but nowadays you get computer scans, not dye subs and the quality is down, compared with the beautifull darkroom real prints we used to get years ago. You may also write to Media Affairs/PAO at Newport News Shipbuilding, state clearly your purpose and they can/will/hopefully send you released yard photos, or specific images, usually at no charge. FYI out there, the RONALD REAGAN has adopted a totally new island design separating her from the rest of the NIMITZ class CVNs, and that will be most welcomed by us CVN modellers who dont want to put out cookie cutter carriers but have a different variant to play with. Nuff said here, good luck. Ray D. Bean -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "richard baker" Subject: Re: Resolution I have all the views you need on my web site. www.resolution.ic24.net cheers Richard baker -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: Navy Fact File: Contents http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/ffiletop.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: STUART ROYDON ROBOTTOM Subject: Battle class destroyers and monitors Greetings all. Does anyone know whether there are any 1:700 Battle class destroyer models available at this time, or at least under development? I can't seem to find any examples anywhere! In addition I was wondering if 1:700 monitors were produced, eg Abercrombie, Roberts, Erebus or Terror. These interesting ships are also apparently not available. Regards, Stuart Robottom -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "larsenal" Subject: Grognards... Hello everybody, Just a quick note about the term Grognard as this is definitively off topic. The term designated during the Napoleonic wars the soldiers of the Old Guard that fought with Napoléon from the beginning to the last battles of 1815. These soldiers can be compared as something like the US Marines or the French Légion Etrangère as they were the sharpest end part of an elite corp. The term Grognard can be explained by the fact they always growled because they fought so many battles and were reluctant (but only in appearance) to follow Napoléon, but displayed also immense courage during these as the Emperor was something of an idol for them. Napoléon nicknamed them with this term as he knew he could always rely on them. Best regards, Jacques Druel L'Arsenal -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Btbldr" Subject: REMINDER March 2nd Just a quick reminder for all the folks in Washington State and BC that the SMML Mini Con meets at 2pm at the Granville Island Model Ship Museum in Vancouver, BC this Sunday, March 2nd. See y'all there! regards Malcolm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Ned Barnett" Subject: IPMS Hornet? Is the next meeting this coming Friday? If so, I'll be in town and would like to drop by. Could someone in the group drop me a note with the details? Thanks Ned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Seitz Mark N Contr AMARC/XPI Subject: SMMLCON at Hornet Folks, What's the latest scoop on the gathering at the Hornet? Are there reserved or recommended hotels? If you aren't able to make it up 'till Saturday, should you still register? Just the latest I guess, Mark -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: david kirchoff Subject: WTB: Wooden Viking ship I need a wooden Viking ship model as soon as possible. Harry Kirchoff St.Louis MO 63144 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: CokerRE@aol.com Subject: FS: German, Soviet, & Eastern block books Soviet and East Block Navies - - Books East German Naval Almanac, 1987 in German 20.00 East German Navy U-Boats 10.00 History of the Russian Fleet in Russian, some illustrations 15.00 History of the World War II Polish Navy, large well illustrated in Polish 50.00 The Polish Navy 1945-80 20.00 Color Photo book of the Soviet Navy 1987 30.00 Mehl, Von Kustenschutzboot zum Rakentanschiff, guide to Soviet Block coastal forces 20.00 Slava, Udaloy & Sovremenny Class Missile Cruisers, well illustrated in color in English 30.00 Kiev & Kuznetzov Carriers “ “ “ 30.00 Plan book w charachteristics of last Soviet major warships 30.00 Woodward, The Russians at Sea, 1965 English 20.00 Admiral Nakhimov, armored cruiser 1888-1904 photos and plans $20.00 GERMAN NAVAL BOOKS Breyer, Koop, Von Der Emden zur Tirpitz, vol. I battleships $30.00 “ “, vol. II, cruisers 30.00 Breyer, Schulkreuzer Emden, Marine-Arsenal #31, well illustrated with plans in German $30 “, Flugzeugtrager Graf Zeppelin “ “ $30 Buchheim, U-Boat War, large illustrated book on life on a U-Boat in English $50.00 Dudszus, Henriot, Krumrey, Das grosse Buch der Schiffstypen, 1987 history of ships Fraider, Der Modellnachbau von Kriegschiffen, vol 1 on building battlecruiser Seydlitz, w plans, photos, detail sketches and English translation (xerox copy only) $200.00, “ vol 2 as above on battlecruiser Scharnhorst $200 Hansen, The ships of the German Fleets 1848-1945, illustrated in color $50.00 Karlsruhe, Polish language profile type publication w plans, details, & photos $15.00 Krause, U-Boot und U-Jagd, subs and subchaser 1986 illustrated in German, modern tactics $20. MTH, Raketen-schnellboote, missile torpedoboats in color, East German publication $20.00 - - - , U-Boot-Abwehrschiffe, sub chasers in color “ " $20.00 Nautilus 3, Scharnhorst & Gneisenau w plans 1/400 as of Dec. 43 and photos in Polish $20.00 Niemz/Wachs, Passenger Steamers of the Upper Elbe (German) $30.00 Schmallenbach, Kreuzer Prinz Eugen unter 3 Flaggen 1985 in German, illustrated $30.00 Schowell, The German Navy in World War Two, 1979 illustrated $30.00 - - - , U-Boats under the Swastika, 1988 Naval Institute Press $30.00 Photos of ship models (xerox copies) from Deutsches Schiffahrtsmuseum, Bremerhaven $15.00 Capra, Prelude to War, VHS video of build up to WWII $ 25.00 please reply off list to PC Coker at cokerre@aol.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume