Subject: SMML VOL 1166 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 12:35:15 -0800 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: WTB Wooden Viking Ship 2: Re: Trumpeter Pola 3: Re: (Not USS) JFK 4: Re: Hanger deck cats 5: Re: Heller HMS Hood and Collections 6: Re: unbuilt models 7: USNI Navy Warship series 8: Re: Trumpeter Pola 9: Russian Sub's Officer Wrote of Torpedo Blast, Izvestia Says 10: Propeller Vibrations 11: Re: Used Book/Hobby Shops in Palm Beach/Ft. Lauderdale/Miami Area 12: Re: Hanger deck transverse catapults 13: resin ship kits in Florida 14: Re: Used Book/Hobby Shops in Palm Beach/Ft. Lauderdale/Miami Area 15: Re: Unbulit kits 16: Re: hanger deck catapaults 17: Hangar Deck Cats 18: Re: collections 19: Models and more 20: OOPS 21: Grosser Kurfurst 22: Re: Hanger deck cats 23: Re: Trumpeter Pola 24: Midget submarines on I 20 25: Type 42 destroyers in Op. Corporate 26: British Monitors in 1/700 27: IJN Landing Operations 28: IPMS Small Warships SIG Website Update 29: Hobby shops in Stuttgart, Germany -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation 1: TF 72 regatta -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Re: Roberts and Abercrombie 2: Snyder & Short vacation 3: Announcement from W R PRESS Re: E Boats 4: Announcement from W R PRESS Re: USN camouflage 5: ROBERTS BRITISH WARSHIPS OF WW2 HERE NOW.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "David Griffith" Subject: Re: WTB Wooden Viking Ship Dear David, Try the Italian firm of Amati. I remember seeing one in a catalogue a few years ago, and I don't think they change as quickly as a plastic firm. Of the various Italian wooden shipmodel makers (Corel, Aeropiccola, Mantua Model, etc), I think Amati definitely look to be the best. They look convincing in photos and their fittings are relatively to scale and well made. I think Billings Boats also do one, that would be very much the bargain basement end of the market. Also, if you are doing plank on frame, be sure to get a set of proportional dividers. They make setting out the taper of planks relatively easy. It would be almost impossible otherwise. If I'm talking to an expert who knows this already, I'm sorry! Regards, David -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Timothy Dike Subject: Re: Trumpeter Pola >> I have recently seen ads for a kit in 1/350 scale by Trumpeter for the Italian heavy cruiser Pola. Can anyone comment on this kit? Its price (about $13.00US mailorder) leads me to wonder how good (or bad) it could be. << I have that kit, actually my son has it now. It will be his first ship kit. It is a decent kit shape wise, but is geared more to the toy boat crowd than the modeler. There are numerous ejector pin marks on the parts, and the parting lines on some of the parts indicate mismatched mold halves. There are also quite a few sink holes to fill with putty. The Pola was reviewed a month or so ago on ModelWarships.com, (http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/ships/rn/ca/ca-pola/trump-pola.html) so you can take a look for yourself. I don't mean to be too hard on this kit, as I'm sure it can be made into a nice kit, by someone who has the time and patience to do a little modifying. Perhaps with the addition of some PE and rigging it will look impressive. It is the only game in town for that scale, so unless you want to build in 700 scale, is your only choice. I wonder has anyone ever finished this kit? I would be interested to see what you were able to make of it. Timothy Dike Webmaster and Editor ModelWarships.com http://www.modelwarships.com/index1.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: AandMBlevins@gateway.net Subject: Re: (Not USS) JFK Good Morning Glenn, I don't have a quotation by JFK on the subject, but I refer you to Christopher McKee's ful book "A Gentlemanly and Honorable Profession; The Creation of the U.S. Naval Officer Corps, 1794-1815" published by the Naval Institute press. Al Blevins -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: AandMBlevins@gateway.net Subject: Re: Hanger deck cats Good morning Bradford, There was a discussion on this in (I think) Model Ship Builder some years ago. Someone posited that there were such catapults and a former member of the crew of the carrier concerned (Bill Webb of Schodack, NY) wrote back a detailed letter of rebuttal. Regards, Al Blevins -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: corlasvan@webtv.net (Case Van Hoboken) Subject: Re: Heller HMS Hood and Collections Peter, Does your large collection of 1/72 scale ships include a WW2 era ( British ) Royal Navy submarine of the T-Class..........by any chance ? Case -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Douglas Simpkin Subject: Re: unbuilt models >> I wonder which other listmembers have collections of unbuilt models, and what the numbers are. << Boy, you guys really do subscribe to the rule that: "He who dies with the most [unbuilt] toys wins! Doug -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Shirley Sachsen Subject: USNI Navy Warship series Here's USNI's commentary on the Sailing Navy volume: though it doesn't say so, I'm sure I saw a section on Washington's schooners. It is 128 pages, no line drawings (unfortunately), but those can be found in other references. THE SAILING NAVY, 1775-1854 By Paul H. Silverstone Retail Price Non-Member's Price Member's Price $38.95 $38.95 $27.26 The first volume in this new warship series features the only complete compilation of American warships from the American Revolution and quasi-war with France through U.S. actions against the Barbary coast, the War of 1812, and the Mexican War. Important details for each ship, including even the lesser known and smaller vessels of the fleet, are listed in convenient tabular format. Entries provide information on ship size, where and when it was built, and its naval service. Historical details include actions fought, campaigns, damages sustained in peace and war with number killed, prizes taken and ships sunk, dates of commissioning and length of service, names used in the merchant marine and other services, and finally the ultimate fate of each ship. This is the first time researchers will find such a variety of information in a single volume. The book also offers a section on the early steam vessels that the U.S. Navy started acquiring after 1812. The ships on Lakes Champlain, Ontario, and Erie are listed separately. Additional sections cover the Revenue Cutter Service and the Texas navy. Known for his attention to detail and the accuracy of his work, the author spent years of research on this project that is certain to become a permanent addition to both personal and public libraries of early American naval history. And here is USNI's commentary on the Civil War Navies: Yes, the book does have CSN ships (this is how I discovered a 9th Hornet...). no line drawings here either, but there are several decent photos (considering photographic technology of the time) of monitors and ironclads. CIVIL WAR NAVIES, 1855-1883 By Paul H. Silverstone Retail Price Non-Member's Price Member's Price $49.95 $49.95 $34.96 This second book in the series lists the ships of the U.S. Navy and the Confederate Navy during the war between the North and South and the years immediately following--a significant period in the evolution of warships, the use of steam propulsion, and the development of ordnance. Other books on the subject simply do not provide the wealth or variety of information brought together here by Paul Silverstone. Each ship's size and time and place of construction are given along with particulars of naval service. Historical details include actions fought, damage sustained, prizes taken and ships sunk, dates in and out of commission, as well as when the ship left the navy, names used in other services, and the ultimate fate of each ship. Close to 150 photographs, including one of the Confederate cruiser Alabama recently uncovered by the author, bring the ships to life. Accurate and up-to-date, the coverage provided in this single volume saves readers time and the inconvenience of trying to track down information located in numerous books. I hope this is of help... In spite of the books' shortcomings (no line drawings, less than archival paper), I still highly recommend them as valuable references, and eagerly await the next volume that should include all those nifty gunboats from the Yangtze Patrol... USNI's website has recently been overhauled making navigating it much easier: http:\\www.usni.org s -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: Trumpeter Pola >> I have recently seen ads for a kit in 1/350 scale by Trumpeter for the Italian heavy cruiser Pola. Can anyone comment on this kit? Its price (about $13.00US mailorder) leads me to wonder how good (or bad) it could be. << Charles, I purchased a Trumpeter 1/350 Pola kit from Pacific Front Hobbies. When I got the kit I first compared it to the old Tauro 1/400 kit of the same ship, and it is NOT a pantagraph copy. The 1/350 kit is not bad. It is very bland on the details, but most of the shapes appear to be good. You will need good reference to build a good detailed model, and of course a few different sets of photo etch for all the doors, railings, etc. Basically, for under $20, or whatever your price of the kit may be, it is a good deal. What baffles me is why the Pola?, not that I am complaining. Had they done the Zara, well then the kit could be built as one of three out of the four in the class. Pola was unique. It would be a major modification to alter the hull to make it one of the other three in the class, and then you would have to scratch build an entire bridge structure as well. Some may say it is bad, but remember, a model is what you make of it. I have seen some real dogs built up quite well, due to the modeler ambition. Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: Russian Sub's Officer Wrote of Torpedo Blast, Izvestia Says http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/27/world/27KURS.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Propeller Vibrations The USN had this problem with both the South Dakota and North Carolina class battleships. They were swapping propellers during trials on the first ships of these classes as much as, possibly more than, once a month, trying to solve the vibration problem. Propellers were trimmed down, and tried three, four, and five blade designs. Eventually the USN listened to one of the chief engineers aboard the Washington, who's conclusion was that the bracing and mounting of the propulsion machinery was too light weight. This was because the USN was trying to save weight to comply with the Washington Naval Treaty of 1922. The USN eventually was able to come up with a propeller combination that produced the least amount of vibrations, and settled with that. At the time of the problem, 1941-42, the USN could not afford to send each of the new vessels into dry dock for the extensive adjustments, because they needed the ships and the dry docks for the war itself. The six vessels of the two classes were permitted to steam at top speed only if absolutely necessary, under dire circumstances. Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: NEVENGER@aol.com Subject: Re: Used Book/Hobby Shops in Palm Beach/Ft. Lauderdale/Miami Area Mike: The Palm Beach/Ft. Lauderdale/Miami Area is has a very good selection of places to find books and models. In Miami is Orange Blossom hobbies that has both books and models Phone number 305-633-8118. In Ft. Lauderdale there is Model expo (with is a very big shipper of models, tools, and books) at 954-925-5651 and RC Hobbies at 954-721-5720. There are several others but these are the biggest all being about the size of a Wallgreens Drug store or bigger. In Palm Beach the stores are smaller but still have a good selection. Of note there are 2 book stores called All Books and Records that is in the north Ft. Lauderdale area that are about the one of the biggest used book stores I have been in. I will have to run there tonight to grab the one book I have not gotten yet before you get there. I wish you well on your search Richard Dixon -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: mumfordlibrarian@netscape.net Subject: Re: Hanger deck transverse catapults Hanger deck transverse catapults did exist on several of the Essex class. They were there for launching light search and rescue, or possibly a wildcat when the carrier was at anchor. I suppose that this worked for COD operations more than anything else but if used under way it operation would be much like the amidships, transverse battleship catapults. I would think that this would be a very hairy ride for the pilot, and its presence would disrupt aircraft movements on the hanger deck. They were removed in favor of a second flight deck catapult. Paul T. Weaver -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Ken Goldman" Subject: resin ship kits in Florida Hi Mike, Model Expo in Hollywood, Florida has a retail store at their warehouse/factory. When you walk in and see all the built up examples in glass cases, you'll think you are in a museum. Among all the styrene and wood kits, they also carry the Blue Water Navy line of resin ship kits. Enjoy. Ken Goldman THE WALRUS AND THE CARPENTER unique wood sculpture and fine scale models www.walruscarpenter.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: James Corley Subject: Re: Used Book/Hobby Shops in Palm Beach/Ft. Lauderdale/Miami Area >> Could anybody suggest a good used book store that has an extensive nautical/naval/military book section in the Palm Beach/Ft. Lauderdale/Miami area in Florida? Likewise, are there any good hobby shops that carry resin ship kits in this area? Any help is appreciated. << Try Orange Blossom Hobbies in Miami. They are at the corner of 36th Ave. and 21st St., just off the exit of expressway from MIA to downtown and beaches. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Rick Lundin" Subject: Re: Unbulit kits Franklyn: you are doing fine, just keep taking your time and get it right. Ralph: whatever you do don't let Jodie get away, she is a saint!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Robert J. Morris" Subject: Re: hanger deck catapaults Bradford: Yorktown class, Wasp, Yorktown, Intrepid, Hornet, Franklin, Bunker Hill, Wasp of the Essex class had hanger cats. The idea was to be able to launch a scout without respotting the flight deck if planes were parked forward. They weren't used much and were removed during the war. The Essex class got a second flight deck cat. Enterprise just lost it. The others went down before the were removed. Most of the Essex's were built with 2 flight deck cats and no hanger cat. In all the ships it was in the first bay aft of the forward elevator. The tracks for the roller doors could be removed to make a large opening. Robert Morris North Benton ,Ohio USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "James Kloek" Subject: Hangar Deck Cats Several of the early Essex class carriers had hangar deck catapaults. They ran transversly from starboard to port (or vice versa). There were folding extensions on either side, which photographs clearly show, they look somewhat triangular and are seen by hangar deck doors, forward of the island. The idea was that scout planes could be launched from the hangar deck while the flight deck was being used to recover aircraft or spot them for a strike launch. In fact, they were rarely used, and were removed during refits. On the port side, the sponson was often used for two 40mm quads. The Hornet stayed as commissioned longer than any of the Essex class, there are photos of her in early 1945 still having her hangar deck catapault extensions. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Chris Crofoot Subject: Re: collections After seeing these fellows with 1000+ kits... I've got just one question.... How many of you have 1000 kits and a divorce?! Chris -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "O'Connor" Subject: Models and more SMMLies, Here in the Daytona Beach area, it's the beginning of the annual event known worldwide as Bike Week. Here, Harley Davidson motorcycle owners and other motorcyclists from the world over gather to trade stories, parts, beer drinking, women/men(?) and show off thier fantastic machines, tatoos and beer guts. For the next two weeks we will be subjected to Southern Rock, Sausage sandwiches, loud pipes, cole slaw wrestling (YES!!!) and traffic jams. Black leather will rule the fashion scene. So, what does all this have to do with modeling? Not a damn thing!! I'm going to take my non-Harley-owning butt to Main Street, buy the annual tee shirt, drink a few ceremonial brews for the cause (ANY cause will do), and then fight traffic back to the homestead, where I will diligently work on models while thinking of some lithe young biker babe.... I'll drink a few for you guys and gals, too. Happy modeling-ships rule!! Bob O'Connor -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Peter K. H. Mispelkamp Subject: OOPS I just re-read my post of yesterday - and must say "oops" "Helper" was supposed to Heller and "Luftstrake" - or whatever my cemented fingertips wrote was supposed to be "Luftwaffe". Guess I better duck! Sincerely Peter K. H. Mispelkamp -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "Mark C Krumrey" Subject: Grosser Kurfurst Greetings List: I know this has been on before, but I was asleep at the wheel. I am beginning the Grosser Kurfurst, and would like to paint it as it appeared at Jutland. I am using Testors Model Master paint. A close approximation to the color of the hull superstructure, etc., and were the decks natural wood? I went to the archives, but I don't have the time or the inclination to search through 50 some volumes of SMML back issues. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Mark Krumrey Frozen New Richmond WI -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "Devin J. Poore" Subject: Re: Hanger deck cats Bradford, According to That Gallant Ship, USS Yorktown, CV-5, page 12; Yorktown had a hanger deck catapult running athwarships added during a yard period in December of 1937. It goes on to state that on November 9th, 1938, the first launch from a hangar deck catapult was accomplished from this same device. I'm sure other carriers had this setup, but I happened to know where the info. for this particular instance was (hey, you go with what you know!) Devin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: NEVENGER@aol.com Subject: Re: Trumpeter Pola I got one of the models of the 1/350 Pola from Trumpeter and was very surprised. It has almost the same quality as a good heller model and is almost the same as the Turo model of the same ship in 1/400. Interesting enough they threw in a motor of the model already fully installed. To me it was a good buy for the money. To me the only big downside was no water line so I can paint a straight line for the hull. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: "Franz Aigner GmbH" Subject: Midget submarines on I 20 According to Bagnasco, the C(1) type submarines were designed to carry a midget sub type A in front of the connong tower. Unfortunately, no plan is provided. Just where was the midget placed? Did it replace the 14cm gun? I would like to park my Chitose-midget on the Hasegawa sub. Greetings, Richard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: Robert Lockie Subject: Type 42 destroyers in Op. Corporate I seem to recall that one of the other mods made to the Type 42 destroyers during Operation Corporate was that the upper parts of the masts, which were normally black (to disguise exhaust staining) were painted light grey. Apparently this was to make them stand out less well against what must, in the South Atlantic winter, have been a generally grey sky. The photographs of Sheffield after it had been hit clearly show the upper parts to have been painted grey, although the staining was already evident. Incidentally, there is a very nice conversion of the Skywave 1/700 kit on the UK circuit of Sheffield after it had been hit, which displays very impressive damage and weathering effects. I don't think it incorporates the light mast tops however..... Robert Lockie Cambridge UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: "Uwe Besken" Subject: British Monitors in 1/700 Hi, Stuart Robottom asks in VOL 1164 >> In addition I was wondering if 1:700 monitors were produced, eg Abercrombie, Roberts, Erebus or Terror. These interesting ships are also apparently not available. << In Germany there is HP-Models which has Abercrombie and Roberts on his list. I can't tell how they are, maybe some other SMMLie has one of it. In the future they will be online with www.hp-models.de, where we can hopefully see some pictures of their models. Greetings Uwe Besken -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: "Ramires, Filipe C" Subject: IJN Landing Operations Hello list As I said before I have the Tamiya's IJN Transport and Auxiliary Vessels set. I am intending to build a landing diorama early in the Pacific War (Lingaen Gulf, Banten, etc...). Does anyone have pictures of Japanese landing operations during the war. I need to know how their operations were processed. Thanks in advance. Regards. Filipe C. Ramires Colchester, UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: "Joao Andrade Guerra" Subject: Hobby shops in Stuttgart, Germany Hello SMMLand I will be going to Stuttgart, Germany latter this month. Can anyone help with good hobby shops,libraries and/or museums in the area ? Also 1:1250 scale ships wich are so popular in Germany ? TIA Joao Andrade Guerra Lisboa - PORTUGAL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Russell French" Subject: TF 72 regatta For those in the area or visiting Sydney this weekend, Task Force 72’s Annual Regatta is on this Saturday & Sunday 3rd & 4th March. In previous regattas, we have had up to 60 vessels moored out and 30+ in the sail past which this year commences at 2pm. Members will be there from 10am on both days and there is a night run for the brave (foolhardy??) in the evening. The venue is at the Lake at Wentworth Falls. The Regatta is signposted from just outside Wentworth Falls. If you are coming up the highway, turn right by the hotel as you come into Wentworth Falls, through the shopping centre, over the railway bridge and take the first left into Sinclair Crescent and up to the lake which is about 3 minutes from the highway. For anyone building the 1/72 scale Flower class, come and see a bunch of Flowers (sorry couldn’t resist it) in action. All are welcome to come and look at our big toys (oops models)!!! Michael Brown Task Force 72. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Leslie Brown" Subject: IPMS Small Warships SIG Website Update Escort Issue 04 of the IPMS Small Warships SIG (www.brown.abelgratis.co.uk) has now been uploaded. It includes an article on the Royal Navy Type 16 Frigates by Tim Stoneman. Regards Les Brown -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: Re: Roberts and Abercrombie There will be included in Camouflage Volume Three, Royal Navy 1943-44, the patterns for both monitors. Volume Three will be published this summer. Volume Two of Camouflage has gone to the printers and should be RUN at the end of this week. Contact your favourite dealer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Randy Short Subject: Snyder & Short vacation Hello all, S&S will be on vacation for the month of April 2001. Our customers can order but we won't get the orders filled until May. On the other hand, given the Postal Service's lack of promptness that may not make any difference. We had an order sent first class mail take 20 days between Sacramento and San Jose-a little over 100 miles. Priority mail to Colorado took 2 weeks! I strongly recommend that all of us put pressure on our Congress people to get the Postal Service to clean up their act. In 2001 I expect better service, especially with the increases in rates. A lot of our fellow modelers use mail order. And you wonder where your orders are. As a dealer we want our orders to get to our valued customers ASAP. Our guy in San Jose e-mailed me and said the postmark was Feb.1, and he got it on Feb.20! This was first class mail! First Class used to be 3-4 days from coast to coast. Perhaps I've got may calendars screwed up and it's 1001, not 2001. The Postal Service is a monopoly, and really is not divorced from the gov't. A little Congressional heat might lubricate the works a bit. But they won't say anything unless we put heat on them. We have a right to prompt and accurate mail delivery. Randy Short -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: Announcement from W R PRESS Re: E Boats W R PRESS will publish this year in the Warship Perspective series, a volume on German E Boats, authored by T Garth Connelly. It will contain a fully detailed set of fold out plans that the model maker will have to have, along with colour details. Contact your dealer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: Announcement from W R PRESS Re: USN camouflage In preparation for the camouflage series from Warship Perspectives are volumes dealing with American Camouflage in World War Two. These volumes will form a companion to the series dealing with Royal Navy Camouflage that are currently being published. Details will be announced as they become available. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "WEM" Subject: ROBERTS BRITISH WARSHIPS OF WW2 HERE NOW.. Just Arrived.... **NEW** BRITISH WARSHIPS OF THE SECOND WORLD WAR Roberts, John, h/b 160pp, 100 plans, Representative selection of original plans of all the types of warships with which the RN fought in WW2 30.00 ($44.00 approx) **NEW** OKRIETY SWIATA HMS REPULSE including full fold-out set of plans. Only 9.99 Pounds ($14.50 approx) **NEW** WEM 1/350 USS KNOX available 3-4 weeks (the castings are here.. the decals are done.. await the etched brass!) Price 112.30 Pounds (approx $162.00) Restock on MINICRAFT 1/350 TITANIC kit (improved kit) after an absence of a couple of months ... We have held off putting the 1/350 LANCE and MILNE patterns in to production due to 1. Huge casting delays and 2. Other more popular subjects being prioritised such as the 1/700 HMS RENOWN 1944 and 1/700 QUEEN ELIZABETH 1918. If anyone would like to add to our pre-orders for either of the L and M Class kits, this WILL increase the likelihood of us getting these subjects off the ground. We currently have pre-orders for only 15 of each subject... this obviously makes the production a no-go at this time. The kits, as usual, will have extensive p/etched brass detail parts, and instructions that are equal to none, and are priced as follows: K 3518 1/350 HMS Milne WATERLINE 50.00 K 3519 1/350 HMS Milne FULL HULL 59.58 K 3520 1/350 HMS Lance 1942 WATERLINE 50.00 K 3521 1/350 HMS Lance FULL HULL 59.58 Interested? Please contact me! Thanks! Caroline Carter White Ensign Models, Gardeners Cottage, Cowarne Court, Ledbury, Herefordshire, HR8 2UF, U.K. Tel : 0870 220 1888 Fax: 0870 220 1786 http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume