Subject: SMML VOL 1171 Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 23:08:51 -0800 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Lindberg sub kits 2: Kit Collection hauntings 3: ICM Konig decals 4: Re: Old Lindberg sub kits 5: Re: Kit collections 6: Re: Laser on airbrush 7: Things Nautical in Vancouver BC 8: Re: Working with photo etch parts (more to come) 9: Re: Kit Collections 10: Standard work of reference on US Amphibious ships 11: Re: PE parts 12: M.S. Chrobry 13: 1/700 French Navy Photo-etch 14: Re: Kit Collections 15: FGS Sachsen 16: Out of Production Kits 17: Books available 18: 63 ft MASB, Arkona -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation 1: SMML MiniCon Feedback 2: Awesome ship model projects added to www.modelwarship.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Neptun Collectors - a trade? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Lindberg sub kits >> I'm referring to your message re " Old Lindberg Sub kits". Do you happen to know if they included any British WW2 era subs? << No only the nautilus and Gato kits in that line Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Jeff Herne Subject: Kit Collection hauntings Tom, Occassionally, a kit will moan from the depths of the basement or attic during the night...I'll find it, and, if it's something I really have my heart set on building, I bury under the unconcerned kits. The muffled cries of 'build me' generally stop. If I'm not overly excited about building the kit, it generally ends up at one of the 2 veterans hospitals in the area... While I realize full well that I'll never build all of these models, dropping a few kits off at the VA hospital every couple of weeks does alot of folks alot of good. If you've got an excess of kits and aren't concerned with the almighty shilling, try it sometime... The way I see it, it's the least I can do for the guys that are residents there, after, they're the reason I can do this in the first place. Jeff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "michael thrupp" Subject: ICM Konig decals Thanks to those SMMLI's who replied. I have placed an order for Steve Wiper's set with Pacific Front Hobbies. Cheers Mike Thrupp -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Old Lindberg sub kits >> I'm referring to your message re " Old Lindberg Sub kits". Do you happen to know if they included any British WW2 era subs? << The only two listed so far are the USS Nautilus atomic submarine 1/300 scale (Don't take the scales too seriously, the Navy was not real forthcoming with the actual length of the sub until after the kit molds were made) and the 1/240 scale USS Gato Fleet submarine. No other details as to more releases are given. Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Kit collections >> Doesn't it bother you at night when you try to sleep, and you realize these kits are calling you from your attic, << I hope no one is really storing their kits up in an attic. If the parts weren't warped to begin with, the temperature extremes (below zero in winter and 140-150 degrees in summer) will ensure that they will be when you go to assemble them! Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Laser on airbrush >> BTW, wait till you guys get a load of the guy in Milwaukee who uses a LASER RANGE FINDER on his airbrush. It's well worth the cost of the magazine!!!!!!! << I saw this briefly. I thought he was using the laser as a pointer for the paint spray, not a range finder. I can see that this gives you an idea as to where your paint will end up on the model, but at least I find, with any fine work I have to use masking, as the aribrush spray is just too diffuse for precise painting. I don't know, until someone invents a "paint laser" (Picture Dr. Evil putting quotes around this....), I am somewhat at a lost for the point of all. Maybe it's me. Sure, you can do it, but why would you? Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Steve Holton Subject: Things Nautical in Vancouver BC I'll be in Vancouver BC two weeks from now. It's simple - I go to the World Figure Skating Championships with my wife - I get to play with models for another year ;>) We'll be located in Central Vancouver - what I'd like to know are the names and addresses of any good Hobby shops in the area as well as any other museums or sites of Nautical interest. Also my other vice is books - so pointers to the best bookstores also greatly appreciated. Thanks in Advance, Steve Holton -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Working with photo etch parts (more to come) >> On a side note, I just got my April issue of FSM, your article on how to work PE is wonderful. I have seen PE seminars, but your explanation of tools, and how to bend PE is great. I am already digging out my own Fletcher kit, to see if I can pull some of your tricks and tips off. << James, Thank you so much for such kind words. I'm blushing as I write this. How did you get a copy before I did? Since I wrote the darn thing, I'm supposed to get an "advance" copy. The mail runs real slow for some reason here. Anyway, I have done a much more detailed write-up on working with photo etched parts that everyone will soon be able access and download for no charge. It's not the same article (FSM would frown on that). It's a longer, more detailed and photographed version I will soon be adding to the Flagship Models web site. My web master is currently in the process of rebuilding my new web site that will include lots of modeling tips and techniques, articles and photos of models featuring our detail sets. Look for the new site in the near future. I am also working on a sequel to my "Building Resin Ships 101" article. "Building Resin Ships 201, advanced techniques for the resin ship builder" will feature techniques like weathering, using washes, dry brushing and rigging. I'll write it up as soon as I finish my Benjamin Stoddart kit. Thanks again for the kind words. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://okclive.com/flagship/ You can now pay using your Visa / MasterCard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Craig R Bennett Subject: Re: Kit Collections Hi Guys Concerning Tom's remarks about large collections. Well you have about 3 options with them. 1. You can sell them 2. Build them and 3. Give them to a boy scout troop or modelling club and write them off as a tax deduction. But the thing that bothers me the most about collecting is it's addiction. I use to in the mid 80's buy alot of waterline kits. SoIved by building over the last years. Trying not to buy any more but just every now and then I give in to temptation. I felt like a hampster in a cage running on a exercise wheel. I'm not against manufacturers in any way. Still I would love to get Revell Germany New Jersey. A couple of years ago a member of the IPMS chapter I belong to died and his widow let us (the club) sell the kits, supplies,and decals at audition and the widow recieved 50 % of the earnings. All airplanes. Must have 1000 or so. That's another option. I like modeling and will try to build my remaining 100 or so kits. Going to get supplies to do so.Or give in to a cheap price on a kit. Craig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: Standard work of reference on US Amphibious ships Spoke to N Friedman yesterday; his Amphip book is about to go the publisher, which means that it should be out by the end of the year. A million pages, lots of plans, pictures, all that sort of stuff, plus lists from here to the moon! Start saving your pennies. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: NAVYDAZE@aol.com Subject: Re: PE parts Yes, I agree with James McCormick, Rusty's article made me take a look at an old PE set that Paolo sent me from NAVIS for a USS CHICAGO kit - at that time it looked overwhelming - but I think I am going to give it a try. Anyway good job Rusty - I enjoyed the article. Mike Donegan NAVDAZE Naval & Aviation Artist -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Erhardtsen" Subject: M.S. Chrobry As I am building the Polish liner M.S. Chrobry, I would like to be able to make her, as she was at the time she sailed in the Murmansk convoys. How was she painted, and hew was she armed? Erik Erhardtsen -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Jana & Pavel" Subject: 1/700 French Navy Photo-etch Dear SMML'ies, I have asked this question on the "Steelnavy" web site, but would also like to open a discussion here. With so many new 1/700 French Naval subjects being released, is it still premature to hope for a 1/700 photo-etch set for these ships? Are the economics not right for a set? How many modelers out there feel as I do in that they would like to see a set? Thank you all Regards Pavel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: stillmo@mb.sympatico.ca Subject: Re: Kit Collections To Mr. Tom Dean: No more than TWO unbuilt kits in your house at any one time?? Genuinely sorry for you old chap. Its the joy of having, the joy of owning, the joy of knowing that you have them there to build, you can pick any kit from the pile and finger through the parts, fondle the resin hulls, eyeball the photoetch, even, by god, sanding a part here and there, then putting it back into the box and shelving it. Its the joy of having bought it at a 'great price" before it got discontinued, and its the joy of knowing you HAVE IT, and you will build it SOMEDAY. Our IPMS chapter used to call itself the SOMEDAY CHAPTER 'cause we all had kits we would build someday, and, he who dies with the most toys truly does win, and ya gotta pry them out of my cold dead fingers before I would give them up..........going down to my stash of kits and books and paints and drawers of spare parts and modelling nick naks and tools, is truly going to my "happy place" when having a distraught day. It really is soothing, for me, anyway. RD Bean -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Baumbach, Werner" Subject: FGS Sachsen Hallo, actually the type 124 is a frigatenot a destroyer, though it will be replacing the destroyers of the Lütjens Class. The Sachsen class is similar to the frigates of the Brandenburg class and differ mainly in a modified radar/sensor configuration to be better suited for air defense. As this needs more space, the Sachsens will be some 600 t bigger than the Brandenburgs. Also the superstructure has been modified to reduce radar signiture. The Sachsens will be fitted with the multi-purpose APAR (radar). The SACHSEN is planned to join the fleet 2002 Specs: 143,0m / 17,44m / 5,0m Displacement: 5.600 t Engine: 38.000 kW (51.000 PS) Speed: 29kn Crew: 255 Weapons 1x 76 mm OTO-Melara Gun/ 62 Mk 75 2x 20 mm Rheinmetall Gun/ Rh 202 1x Vertical Launch System (VLS) with 32 cells for ESSM and SM2-IIIA 8x SSM McDonnell Douglas HARPOON 2x GDC RAM (Rolling Airframe Missile) 21 cells 6x 324 mm Torpedos Mk 32 Mod 9 2 helicopters SEA LYNX Mk 88 Ships in Class Sachsen Hamburg Hessen Cheers Werner -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Shaya Novak" Subject: Out of Production Kits Many times I get customers that are looking for OP kits. Can anybody recommend dealers of out of prod kits. Shaya Novak Naval Base Hobbies The Store for The Model Ship Builder www.modelshipbuilding.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Richard Simpson Subject: Books available I was looking around for Groner's "German Warships" and came across a disposal store selling them off at a good price as well as a number of other books possibly of interest to SMMLers. I ordered a few and they have now shown up here in Oz, and are just what they purport to be, band new and the titles were correct. I had been holding off on mentioning it till I had confirmed it was a legit bookstore and I got the product. I purchased: German Warships (vol 1: Major Surface Vessels) by Erich Groener for US$27.98 Anatomy of the Ship: The Cruiser Bartolomeo Colleoni (NIP) for US$19.98 Anatomy of the Ship: The Aircraft Carrier Victorious (NIP) for US$19.98 I was charged US$13.63 for shipping (surface) to Australia (postage on the parcel was actually $25.40, shipped 10th Jan, arrived 5th March) The interesting thing was that they seemed to have multiple copies of each book available as well as others that may be of interest. Including "George Washington's Schooners" which I seem to remember was mentioned on SMML recently. Their website is quite amateurish but you might like to have a look. It is at www.mainbookshop.com. The military section is what you want of course. Needless to say I have no affiliation with this store, just bought some interesting stuff there and think others might be interested. Regards Richard Simpson Sydney, Australia -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Mike Schubert Subject: 63 ft MASB, Arkona Hi, I am busy converting a Airfix HSL kit into it's RN MASB equivalent as per John Pritchard's Airfix Magazine article. Whilst assembling the new Wheelhouse I noticed that the spacer/rib marked as "C" in the plans was way too long and wide to fit in the position indicated and the reverse was the case with the spacer/rib marked as "A". Instead of cutting down "C" I swopped them and all the bits ended up fitting nicely. Besides that once you have added the front of the bridge this assembly is sturdy enough so that it can actually be done separately from the deck. This also has the advantage that you can go crazy with your knife/file/sanding stick/sandpaper when shaping the curved portion of the wheelhouse/cabin without having to worry about messing up your deck fittings. I found it safest to remove all the wheelhouse/cabin retaining ridges from the desk so that they don't end up interfering with the new wheelhouse/cabin. Recently I saw the Revell "Arkona" kit at a local shop and needless to say I went and bought it. Quite a nice kit, but unfortunately only Revell paint numbers are given in the instructions. Since none or hardly any of the hobbyshops stock Revell paints hereabouts (South Africa), I need help on what Humbrol or Testor's equivalents can I use for the deck's green and for the orange red and for the green used on the upper bridge. Any ideas? Mike Schubert -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Btbldr" Subject: SMML MiniCon Feedback News from Vancouver BC.... DJ Parkins, scratch building, Sino-Japanese war, 8 foot submarines, it's all in here... Firstly, thanks to Mr John Keith-King and the Granville Island Museums (www.modelshipsmuseum.bc.ca) for giving us our venue.... A great start and hopefully many more! As a beginner it was awesome to see some of the incredible work out there, and it was good for me to get a perspective of where I can take my skills if I stick to the task and invest some sweat equity. There was no harsh criticism of my own initial "efforts" in this hobby (thank you guys!) - we truly do have great colleagues here on SMML! First was a comparison of the DJ Parkins and Sirmar upgrade kits - there was a complete range of both present. Both are vast improvements over the Revell originals, and I will leave it to the others to get into the details, but I think it was agreed all around that DJ Parkins and company have used the last ten years well. On behalf of Rob Pearson (who couldn't make it in person) we had a look at some of the draft materials for his upcoming publication on Flower Class corvettes. Full colour, and some of the gunshield art as well! Kerry described a method of hull framing he had developed himself using French plans by Boudriot, and showed that he is a true master at scratch building. Then he told us that actually he had messed it up (yeah right) and still had to redo the keel section. Kerry - it looked perfect from where we were sitting!!! He also showed us a hand carved hull, complete with rabbet's, and decking on another ship with the deck timbers beautifully tapered and joined in correct fashion. We had a look at the hold'n fold photo etch tool, and then we discussed the Billings 1/72 St Roch kit, using a set of photographs of the original. While the kit isn't too bad, there are a number of things that will be missed if the kit is built out of box. We had a brief look at the Tamiya 1/72nd Perkasa - pretty awesome quality, no flash, crisp detail. Kerry showed us the new Chinese Navy Steam ships book, and showed us how he is scratch building the Ting Yuen (hope I spelled that right). Again, reference photo's were on hand to see where he was going with the model. Rob then showed us some of his IJN 1/700 unbuilt collection, including some rather obvious copies (even down to the box art being copied) - ok - the molds could have been borrowed, but it is amazing that manufacturer's can get away with this and not face prosecution for copyright violations! There were also some examples of the same manufacturers old and new tooling sets - folks the future of ship modelling looks awesome! We also had a look at some card model kits. Finally, a tour around the museum (which ended with Kerry starting a conversation that could end up as a commission for a quarter scale I-19) was followed up with drinks and food at a nearby mini brewery - a fine end to a fine day! regards Malcolm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Mike Kear" Subject: Awesome ship model projects added to www.modelwarship.com (Please forgive me if this crosses a protocol boundary - it's not intended to be a personal promotion, but to let modellers know about some amazing projects that I am proud to feature. This is NOT a commercial message - there is no commercial content on my modelwarship site - not even banner ads) Australia's Task Force 72 had its annual regatta last weekend, and I've put a few pictures from it on my site at www.modelwarship.com. Particularly, I'd recommend you take a look under the "Projects of our Friends" section and see Russ French's awesome USS Winston Churchill - a new USN Arleigh Burke, commissioned at Task Force 72 a whole week ahead of the prototype's commissioning in Virginia. Russ's eye for detail is simply amazing. Crisp, clean and dense detail. The model has VLS rockets that fire under radio control - whooshing high into the air with noise and smoke - attention grabbing to say the least. And there's some photos of Dick Hopper's fantastic project in New Zealand - where he's set up a model park along with some model railway partners. He has his 1/48 scale HMNZS Royalist on its own lake! Please come and have a look at the latest in 1/72 scale ship modelling - fine detail scale modelling at a larger scale than most modellers take on. Cheers, Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia www.modelwarship.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: David Sepos Subject: Neptun Collectors - a trade? Hi All, I have one (1) extra USS Farragut (1936 fit), Neptun #1368, in my collection. It is in mint condition but no original box. Manufactured pre-1975, that's how long I've had it. If you have an extra, I would like to conduct a straight trade for a USS Mahan (1941) Neptun # 1366A or will consider a # 1366 original fit. Please contact me off site. 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